ElidaxZiel:
what I will do now is connect you to spirit realm , send your email. I will tutor you myself FREE

What do you want my email for? post the instructions here let everyone see it. what are you hiding?

ElidaxZiel:
I am gonna lead you into the spirit world. them you won't argue anymore, because there is no way to keep it simple, spirituality is not simple

ok lead me, am waiting.

ElidaxZiel:
it seems you are afraid, I want to give you knowledge how to experience God, you are avoiding it, yet you ate talking about miracle. So telling you your bank account is now a miracle, smiles. you still need to get some old knowledge off you system.. .

So you think I am afraid? lol. I want us to keep it simple and involve other people.

BTW giving you my email address will not be the end, you will still demand that i do something else and god knows where it will lead us so lets make it simple.

ElidaxZiel:
it better you ask yourself, send your email, let me take you into spirit world

Did Jesus and the Apostles perform miracles in private? Just ask the God you claim to have a personal relationship with to tell you my account number, post it here so everyone will see. Which part of this is difficult?

ElidaxZiel:
Do you want to experience ? so ask yourself ??

yes and you should make the proof simple like Elijah, Moses, Jesus, Peter etc. see just ask God to tell you my account number and that's all.

ElidaxZiel:
ok , just as you can't prove your dream, nobody can prove God for you.. And because you believe your dream which is important to you. those that experience HIM too believe, All in All

God exist !

Keep deceiving yourself that you experience God when you cant help us ask him a simple question.

ElidaxZiel:
I also use critical thinking also, can you prove to me that you dream

No and I will never force you to do something based on my dream because my dream is only important to me.

MhizAngel99:


LMAO. I mean never mind that you completely ignored the stats i showed you, you literally have no evidence outside the bible that proves ur god's existence. I'm done with you. You're clearly a slowpoke who lacks the intelligence to properly scrutinize what he knows.
You are free to invite me back for an actual discussion using logic when you can xplain...
1. ...how your god can create time and still be subject to it via change of heart and change of mood.
2. ...how your god can create logic and still be subject to it via requiring a thought process to make decisions
3. How your god can be omniscient and still have free will
4. How your god can be omnibenevolent and omnipotent and yet evil exists.
5. How your god is distinguishable from the thousands of gods of thousands of religions out there
6. How an omnibenevolent god can purposely cause conflict and war by actively hiding all evidence of his existence?
7. How earthquakes, diseases, and physical illnesses exist in a world created by an omnibenevolent god
8. How praying to an omniscient god is useful in any way
9. How god will judge those who died without hearing the gospel and accepting jesus as saviour. Even if they led good lives.
Bonus question. What evidence is there to suggest that ur god is male?
Unless you are willing to answer these questions, don't bother quoting me, cos i won't even reply to ur dumb ass.

This should end the argument but the zombies will reply with more nonsense.

ElidaxZiel:
there is no need to argue with word, Anyone can create any organization they want. When you experience it yourself, you won't argue again

The truth God exist

Another claim that cannot be proved. We didn't become atheists just because we have limited knowledge. We become atheists because we use a tool that is very important to humans; Critical thinking. if we lose this we become zombies; we may drink dettol, give a tenth of our monthly income to con men, become suicide bombers etc. No! we are humans, not robots.

ElidaxZiel:
Telling you your phone number cannot prove God existence, that like prophecy, Saying what I don't know, even herbalist prophesized, it all just spirituality. so what your point.. Why not open your eye and see for yourself. There is no need to argue

My point is that theist make claims without evidence and atheists dump religion for that reason.

I know how to become a theist in just 2 steps anytime I want to;

1. Suspend critical thinking.
2. Have unshakable faith on that religion.

for instance, if I want to become a Muslim, I'll just suspend critical thinking and ignore all the hogwash in the Quran.

I will believe that it is Allah that protects me all the time but when I read on the news that some muslims went to mecca (the holiest city on earth) to thank Allah for protecting them and to pray for more protection but end up dying in thousands through stampedes (in the presence of Allah), At that point, I will suspend my critical thinking and say, "Allah knows best".

Same applies to Christianity.

ElidaxZiel:
you are still not getting it, its personal and not a show.

Elijah did not turn down a show with the prophets of Baal.

Let me suggest something simple; Since you serve the creator of the universe, Who knows everything and you also have a personal relationship with him. I want you to ask him to tell you my bank and account number , post it here and I will confirm. I'll check in the next hour.

ElidaxZiel:
send your mail. but if im gonna guide you , it not gonna be a free service.

But if you want to do it on your own , It Free

I want us to do something everybody can see here.

ElidaxZiel:
like I use to say, things are always straight forward when you have knowledge. I can open it for you, but I can't explain here, And hope you have a strong mind, cos it gonna scare the poo out of your entity. and you will be seeing both the angelic world and the human world at the same time. hahaha I hope you can attempt this

let's do it.

ElidaxZiel:
words can't explain, the only thing I can do is open your spiritual eyes, so you will experience it too.. Believe me, after you experience it, you will open thread daily just to tell people about God

How will you open my spiritual eyes?

ElidaxZiel:
this is why most people make mistake, we don't actually need daily prayer. you just need to know how things works..

How do you know God?

ElidaxZiel:
Let me tell you the truth, most pastor don't know how spirituality works, o am not making funny of them but that the truth, our parent can't know it,, This problem escalate because of the theology pastor, who are not called by God, they cause more problem.

So how do you know God if your parents and pastors cannot correctly teach you about him.

ElidaxZiel:
I am sure you are formerly a Christian, you need to format those old knowledge you have about God, A lot of people don't even know meaning of prayer and how it works, everybody just want to pray

Yea i have formatted those old knowledge and that is why I am an atheist. I don't need prayers.

OpenYourEyes1:


It was spiritual... I won't go into it sorry.

God exists my friends.
I was led astray by junk science.

In summary you don't have testable evidence.

Junk science has testable evidence and is helping you communicate easier on nairaland, something prayers can never achieve.

OpenYourEyes1:
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I was an atheist from 2007—2013. an agnostic 2013—2016. My critical thinking is still very much intact.
I was looking for strong proofs of God existence as an atheist. Evidence matters to me a lot back then. I wasn't a fanatic

I don't understand you.

When you become a atheist, you regain an important human attribute that was stolen from you at a young age, critical thinking.

I am not going to tell you anything new, i will just remind of your past. Do you remember asking your parents or any adult a question on religion and they couldn't answer? they probably told you that you will understand when you grow up or when you meet God in heaven. Some parents rebuke you for asking those questions. The questions typically include.

1. Mommy, who created God?
2. Ma, If God was everywhere, where was he when the serpent was tempting eve. etc.

A Muslim child has similar questions.
With time your parents steal your critical thinking ability using threats of hell, reward of heaven or by exonerating useless faith and placing it above evidence.

hahn:

You don kee me. I dey sick and you come make me laugh now all my body dey pain me.

Mikefrik:
Was it only the isrealites that needed salvation? don't you need it? Jesus Christ came to redeem the whole world
but when he came to the isrealites his people, they did not accept him. But they rather put him to death. So he said in John 3:16. that God gave his only Sin, that whoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ was prophesied by the prophets as the Messiah of the world. John described him as the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.

LoL. This one just dey come.

Its a pity our own Medical doctors are now pastors. scamming people of their hard earned money.

danvon:


Just wanna focus on this


If a thief steals to survive do you think it's evil?

yes it is evil because
If you had read all my comment you will have seen where i explain how society makes my survival easier.
stealing can destroy the society which makes it evil but homosexuality is not evil because it does no harm to anybody

No he wasnt. the sumerians wrote on tablets of stone long before moses was born.

I envy those chinese children. They will be taught important things like making flying cars. while our children will be extorted by yahoo pastor who will use their tithes to buy these flying cars.

and the countries where government are sponsoring their citizens to pilgrim are borrowing money from china.

I am an atheist and I believe that like any other living thing i have two basic functions: to survive and to reproduce. I know this because when i look at all the organs in my and other animals bodies, their function is either something that helps me survive or to reproduce. survival is the most important thing to me. I know that you will assume that a person that thinks like this will be evil but let me tell you about my day.

i woke up this morning in a house built by somebody else.
I dont own a house and i cant sleep outside because it is dangerous so i live in somebody's house and pay rent.

our ancestors use to sleep on very hard ground or mats but i woke up this morning on a soft bed that was made by somebody else.

I dont know how to cook so i went to a restaurant and ate beans and bread. the owner of the restaurant doesnt know how to farm so he was given the beans he cooked by a farmer. same with the baker that baked the bread.

I dont have a car so an okada rider took me to where i work. the okada rider did not also produce the okada by himself.

while i was at work i used several things made by other people.

why am i telling you this? It is because i want to let you know the importance of living as a group.

living as a group makes my survival easier. if i want to eat beans and bread i dont have to plant beans and corn and watch it grow. then harvest it then cook it etc. we live dependently which is very very beneficial.

living in peace as a group is very important so laws are set down to guide people to live peacefully.

by common sense this laws should be laws to protect members of the group from bullies. so i support laws against stealing, murder etc.

What i am against are the so called divine laws especially when they condone slavery,misogynity and are against homosexuality. dont get me wrong, these laws were useful for the societies that created them thousand of years ago but they are now outdated.

clown.
Know that the bible was not originally written in english so that word TRUMP is definately not in the original bible.

butterflyleo the undefeated champion

Your life will be much easier if you dont believe in spirits

You guys really need to update your bible