₦airaland Forum

I love women...them get sense and will use you every step of the way without remorse if u give them chance...na u go give urself brain


A lady was expecting birthday gift from her man...nigga asked her what she wanted and she said human hair sold for 900k....

nigga sent it to her....she was over joyful

......the only problem for her now is to buy the hair...because technically it's now her money and spending her 900k on a wig is suddenly no longer wise....

integrity16:
What is the error of falacy in my previous post? For someone who have seen many successive governments, I can tell you for free that until some kind of restructuring takes place, we are going no where as a nation.

the error of fallacy is "concluding no one can do better than tinubu"....this is where I disagree.....a leader that is empathy driven enough will make policies from the angle of the pple...... Tinubu's policies is made to favour the tree arms of govt alone
...no corruption tackling.....
Naira is floating free which should not be after removing subsidy (the only good move we have currently but the effect isn't even showing
...it's already bad that we have a rubber stamp senate and a judiciary that are all against the us ....now we are fast becoming a one party state ...again .."all thanks" to the kind of leader we have ....
How will the next election look when all the ballot papers have only APC as incumbents leaders who have all the rigging power, and state resources in their pockets

integrity16:
Until system changes are made, even the next best candidate would not bring Nigeria out of the woods.

They won't restructure...the north won't allow it ...but there are small small policies that a people driven commander in chief can put in place tto help fix things......

Jman06:
For crying out loud, pharmacists are not seeking to become medical doctors! It is mischievous for some of you to cling to that erroneous notion!

of course u are not seeking to become medical doctors...u just want their accolade and pay scale..

Jman06:
The matter is that all over the world, roles of Pharmacists have evolved beyond just handing out drugs to patients to participating as a team in managing patients' medications therapy. That is not a physicians' area of training but a pharmacist's!

how can u say managing patients' medications and therapy isn't the job of medical doctors...yet u said u don't want a doctor's job...
. Are u saying doctors aren't trained or qualified or have the education to
manage patients' medications and therapy??

Jman06:
Are you even aware that some of us who choose to study pharmacy qualified for admission into medicine but chose pharmacy instead due to interests? So, why should I envy medical doctors when I chose pharmacy on good purpose??

Yeah....i'm aware... I'm also aware that many of you feel envy after see all you do dispense drugs after college......also, while u might have chosen pharmacy, doesn't change the fact that many of you were also dumped in pharmacy because u ddnt make medicine list...

The real issue is that you pharmacist don't shine in your field of drug discovery and development in Nigeria ....and that's why you trying to claim doctors aren't qualified or it's not their job to manage patients' medications and therapy ...and that it's yours...

owiko:
Who takes advice from a pastor, when you have friends waiting at the salon to give you beta marital counselling?

U are wicked

omojeesu:
Good for you!
What about others?
Who do they go to see in the Hospital?
If you or your loved one are in need of surgery or surgical / obstetric emergency can you treat yourself and them..?

Keep deceiving yourself....

Lol.... he's just deceiving himself....using paracetamol for headaches and treating malaria is what he's using to claim better than doctors....u can read the envy in their comment....
They can't 5% do medical doctors' work but all they want doctors title and salary to make themselves feel better for going to school for many years as if na only them dey spend years in college

They don't really care about patient care.....all a pharmacist knows, doctors know it ....but them no wan gree say doctors their oga.....they are angry doctors lead hospitals, are the commissioner of health, and so on...

Their field which is drug discovery and development where they should shine and prove their worth in the medical niche that doctors cant heal without them, is lying fallow....
you will find more biochemist, biotechnologist and pathologist doing research up to clinical studies to come up with new therapeutic agents than pharmacist themselves...

It's Dr titles they are all calling development..

MaxInDHouse:
Well you tried but know today that God is not a respecter of anyone so if you know that your religion is wrong there's no reason to delay waiting for God to come and right the wrong most especially when you find a better group doing God's will.

People have been knowing God long before religion... God did not endorse any religion or name man decides to label any religious gathering ...
Only relationship with him in truth and spirit is what God seeks John 4v24

Y'all Jehovah witness are to caught up in discrediting and labelling other organization as false.... You are like Muslims can't preach the the message of the kingdom of God and repentance ...all I do is behave like political parties that need to discredit opposition

Jman06:
I don't like going back and forth with someone who just wants to argue blindly for the sake of argument.
They're drug 'scientists' simply shows your limited knowledge of the pharmacy profession! Go and start learning about pharmacy from history! Maybe after that you'll understand better.
FYI, there's only a little comparison between Biochemistry you typed about and Pharmacy! I did both, so I know better! Stop comparing both because they're not same in scope. Pharmacy comprises 6 hefty departments and is both a science and an art.

Yeah ...I never said the comparison btw biochem and pharmacy isn't small..u are just deflecting.........I even said whateva the comparison is doesn't justify a biochemist encroaching the space of pharmacist or getting the pay or of a pharmacist ..

Equally the comparison btw medicine and pharmacy is wide....and doesn't justify u doing the work of a medical doctor when it comes to patient care or getting their pay...

If u don't have the training u shouldn't be in involved in patient care.........u can keep fighting for pay that u don't deserve by using NUC laws to get doctor title
....y'all don't care about patient care at the end of the day...cos u can't even mention the training that justify giving you free hand..

...u just envy medical doctors and u can't even do their job

Negroid001:
This man doesn't look stable

Lol......if he's stable how will he look..

Ur preaching always involves politics.....always discrediting other believers to make ur organization appear better....
On judgement day God ain't gonna line pple up by church or organization or based on tag like christians or witness, or any other name....

No one is perfect....God just dey manage all of us as we work towards holiness, irrespective of organization y'all belong to

integrity16:
You haven't even answered his question, tell us what other candidate would have done differently.

Honestly, Nigerians can never get good governance ever until real restructuring takes place. All these Tinubu is a failure narrative has become stale for me, I don't see what any other candidate would do better if the system is not restructured.

See sir.....i may not be able to tell u who's better because I won't fall into the error of fallacy like u did.....because even buharí that is largely clueless was still more empathy driven....

even with the restructuring u mentioned the corruption climate that has been over Nigeria for more than a while now won't make yhings work..

we needed a leader that will take care of corrupt practices, block the revenue leakages, bring all the resources being privately mined in the north like lithium, californium under government earnings,..these can be done without restructuring which will put us in a better financial position more infrastructure, and social welfare

Instead we got a heartléss one who took the citizens' common wealth away and handed over to the three arms of government to live in luxury....while pple live in a country with goods and services far above their earnings.....

Jman06:
insecurities at it's peak! Let the CMDs and other hospital administrators give them the freehand to operate and get involved in patients medication management!

free hand to operate...?? Please sir, what does this even mean.....is a professional supposed to be given responsibility more than their training...?? Should all professionals in the medical niche be given free hand or this is just a pharmacist thing??
Biochemist also have to learn plenty pathways similar to pharmacist...they do pharmacology, and xenobiotics and other drug related training, does that mean they will now be given free hand to operate into part of the niche of a pharmacist?

Biochemistry is also know part of what medical dotors lean in college..should biochemist be given free hand as well in patient care because they know one part of what medical doctors know?? I'm just asking?? Or is this just a pharmacy thing??

Pharmacist are drug/scientist, that's the scope of their educational training.....their training is limited....just like other medical professionals like microbiology and biochemistry are limited...
.. they are not trained to manage patient care, as it relates physiological and anatomical responses, surgery etc. So yes, their role in patient care will be limited...

Making it look like it's a wrong for pharamcist to be limited to the drug area is a bad thing is absurd ..

Jman06:
In most Nigerian public hospitals, medical doctors control the scope of operation of other healthcare professionals!

again.. u say this like it's a bad thing........medical doctors went through a much broader/robust education and clinical training to manage this scope...
Maybe NUC should expand the scope of pharmacy training from college to clinical level.....
Nurses are even more involved in patient care than pharmacist because some of their training covers it..and that why they do some minor surface surgeries in the UK e.g removal of surface lump like lipoma and other non-cancerous external skin growth.....

Jman06:
So, that nullifies your assertion that hospital pharmacists make little contribution to patients management.

again they are drug scientist ....their contribution should be systemically little in patient managemen

Jman06:
That is the reason why the improved qualifications and remunerations are very apt,

then this just about getting money in the first place and not really about patient care because putting a Dr title or paying them more than doctors won't make them more competent to handle what medical doctors handle...

Like I said Maybe NUC should make their training robust enough if the aim is patient care and not competition for money they don't even work for..

Jman06:
let's see if that would somehow compel you physicians and hospital managers to allow these professionals exert their full professional responsibilities to the patients.

I can't overemphasize the fact that pharmacists are drug chemist or scientist. They are already exerting their responsibility based on their training....
Maybe u should enlighten me because no one knows it all......what training does pharmacist have that makes u think they are not fully exerting their responsibility??

Their core niche which is drug discovery and development....medical doctors, biochemist and biotechnologist are even more active than them in research which could lead new drugs that could improve patient treatment outcomes....

To me this is just a case of a worker who just feel they should get same pay with those that do far more than them because they spent similar years in college and work in the same compound

BabaO2:
It is the major truth.
Many Christians, pastors were cajoled and stampeded to vote obi as their candidate.

Cajoled?? So christians need to be cajoled to vote for one of their own in a country of where religion and ethic politics/voting is a norm.??

Obi lost the election weda he got votes or not.......yet y'all hàte him so much that the votes he got is still vexing y'all

Borrow2222:
Honestly, this is my first time seeing someone in the opposition party who's busy attacking people in the same opposition party instead of the ruling party.

Something's definitely wrong somewhere – it clearly shows someone's bankrolling this clown.

No wonder you only get 1k votes in each election.

Obi is an easy target for them without consequences for him to remain Relevant...
....if he talk too much against tinubu, DSS will arrest him

Gorem2013:
Every time you people come up with unintelligent narration like this, I asked a simple question.

Who among the opposition can do it better? Show us what they have done in the past that could give us reasonable assurance they can do it better now

I'm sure, you know, none. Therefore if Tinubu is a failure then

Atiku and Obi have got no chance

How did u arrive at the conclusion that tíínubu is better than every other candidate?? Is this love or délusion??

The président is not an empathy driven human .....and spreading propáganda to make y'all feel like what Nigeria is going through now is the the only out come and no one can do anything better is not only another another very wícked move but a clear indication he and his team are just a bunch of incompet3nt pple who care for nothing else than being in the seat of power

SOLADEMIABIODUN:
You are definitely a jambite with this infantile reasoning.
Please go out and touch the grass

Yawn...u nor get point

Betanaija42moro:
Go and do your research.
No profession owns the title Doctor

No be fight naa...I only said u should add other courses in thee medical niche abi na only pharmacy deserve D

QuinQ:
What they are fighting for is who is to be called "doctor" - so as not to confuse the public or have people falsely claim to be drug-prescribing doctors. It takes very long period of training to become a medical doctor independently prescribing medicine and I think the public ought know the only people called "doctor" are those with that qualification (except PhD holders).

Oga....let everybody be called doctor ooo.....

I kuku like HND pple ...they have successfully taken BSc..... They will soon ask for Dr title too when they finish their diploma

Betanaija42moro:
Does doing a Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm D) change their job description?
Remember we have Doctor of Dentistry, Vet Doctors and they are still within their job descriptions.
There is nothing bad in allowing other professions to grow.

Examples of Professional Doctorate Degrees:

1. Doctor of Medicine (MD) – for physicians.


2. Doctor of Dental Surgery (DDS) or Doctor of Dental Medicine (DMD) – for dentists.


3. Doctor of Education (EdD) – for educators and administrators.


4. Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) – for business professionals.


5. Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) – for advanced practice nurses.


6. Doctor of Public Health (DrPH) – for public health professionals.


7. Doctor of Pharmacy (PharmD) – for pharmacists.


8. Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) – for clinical psychologists.

U ddnt add biochem D, microbio D, Nurse D, Anatom D, Physiolo D......

Everybody needs Dr to grow....

Betanaija42moro:
You really lack knowledge of what you are saying. Please stop displaying your ignorance in the public.
The Pharmacist are not fighting to be Medical Doctors but Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm D)
The word Dr is not owned by any profession.

Well done we have seen you ......ur insult doesn't change the fact that one profession just woke up asking for the accolades of another profession...

That's how OND and HND started shouting they want Bachelors

....all u people are shouting is pharmacist, the articles also spoke about physiotherapy and optometry...
I asked ....where do y'all draw the line...is everybody in the medical niche now a doctor?

..at the end of the day ... pharmacist are drug scientists....if they want Dr by force they should go and get PhD....

Kokaine:
But I hear say pharmacy hard pass medicine ooo

Na so naaa... biochemistry and microbiology seff hard pass medicine....

simple87:
Obviously your knowledge about this topic is shallow and is a shame that a learned person will downgrade the body of knowledge of other professionals just the way you have done. The fact that one is a medical doctor doesn't make them more intelligent than others professionals and this is a fact you should acknowledge, you are only knowledgeable in your discipline.

u dialogue out of context...we are talking job function, training, responsibility in the practice ..u are talking intelligence ...... Is there no reason why medical doctors are the ones heading medical board and hospitals....

. Guy we don't have to agree on this matter...

OkayDaddy:
Medical doctors are physicians. They aren't the custodians of the title Doctor.

If you like, wipe your head on the ground, na you sabi.

U think this is just about title....this about someone trying to get same salary scale for doing less than doctors... Their roles and training are far different.....

Bfly:
This is normal in a country where a business administrator becomes minister of health

Another politician’s optometrist pikin don pressure in papa to be addressed as a doctor hence the whole country must share the confusion.

Lol...
They are the same set of pple in NUC with OND but want to be awarded BSc..... No offense to you if you have a diploma....

Proudlyngwa:
Oga rest
What you are calling Doctor is just a general physician

Rest

Yawn!! U nor get point.....

Y'all are the same with those who want to get BSc after studying for OND/HND

hatchy:
Stop foaming in the mouth and spitting your dirty saliva all over the place in the name of commenting on the thread.

NUC did what they did after much research and consideration. This is done according to the global best practice and not for political or personal reasons.

If you don't like it, go to court.

Lol.....why am I not surprised... the tinubu crew has arrived.......he said after "much research" ... .
...there is no research here ...it's just greed and envy because the evidence is clear: doctors study more, train more, work more....so what research are u talking about ??

All we have here is...the same bias HND holders in NUC that won't go and get a BSc in a university but want to use laws to equate Bachelors degree to HND/OND......their fellow brothers in pharmacy that can't study for MBBS wants to use same laws to equate them selves to physicians....

At the end of the day y'all can

Ebubu7:
There is something called "healthcare team collaboration", read up on it.

Pharmacists study Biochemistry, Pharmacology, Anatomy, Physiology, so what do you study that we don't study ?


Pharmacists education in Rx school is being expanded to 6 years to incorporate clinical and patient-oriented education and clinical care, hence the introduction of the prefix Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

In USA, Medical Doctors write their name as Dr. followed by (MD). Pharmacists Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

That is how it is done because they're both clinical scholars.

Collaboration?? This is funny..... How does dispensing drugs you are told dispense make your job the same as those who determine if the drug is needed and even have to cut pple open to save them?

6 years.?? Are they the only ones spending many years in school......how does the six years equate to what physicians have to learn and train for to become consultants ...
Google is your friend ....pharmacist course content in their whole years in school doesn't measure up to what doctors learn in 100level to ordinary first MB exam , let alone clinicals (part 4-6).....

Until pharmacist can cut into brain, a heart, the stomach, to fix a person, ....combine a lot a physiological, biochemical, and anatomical ques to determine what's up with a patient, claiming they should get paid the same as professional who clearly do more than them is a comic relief

gly2ken:
Why is it that it is only in Nigeria people with MBBS get agitated when another person earn a doctorate in the hospital environment

What are u saying....even doctors earn PhD separately as many of them function as clinical experts and academics....

Earn you doctorate naaaa....but u don't do what medical doctors do yet what to earn their wage becos u got a Dr title behind your name....and u expect them not to get agitated . That's downplaying their role.....

simple87:
While I acknowledge your perspective, I do share a different view though, every professionals involve in the patient care are important because they collaborate with each other to improve the outcome. well.

See trying to stylishly make it look like everyone's job is equal because they collaborate is downplaying the role of medical doctors....

Some pple sit in office and just dispense drugs they are told ...... While someone combines a whole lot of medical data, to diagnose a sick person, determine what will make them well and many times have cut them open to fix them....cut women open to bring out babies when they can't naturally deliver, replace organs, cut open the brain, etc.. Yet you want to downplay their role because they work with drug dispensers...well done....I acknowledge you too

simple87:
That said, the medical consultant still remain the head of the multidisciplinary team and should endeavour to take input from other professionals including the Pharmacist who is knowledgeable in drugs and drug interactions to improve the outcome, this is the way it is being practiced in the developed world

a medical doctor knows all a pharmacist knows..he's the one prescribing the drugs in the first place....making it sound like pharmacist knows drugs and drug interaction and the possible physiological response than doctors is laughable ....

You can keep sugarcoating the issuing to sound inclusive ...the fact is ....none off the other medical professionals does half of what doctors do.....it's a truck-load of traaaásh to be doing less than someone and be saying you want to get paid the same ....

simple87:
. A Pharmacist spending 6 years would study more courses before graduating thereby having more depth in patient care that ultimately improve outcome which also add to the success story of the team, therefore why should anyone be against this..

you are totally wrong....oga..google is not even far from you..... the course content and training of medical doctors is far broder and than that of pharmacist, physiotherapist etc co....

As in...do you know what it takes to become a consultant after graduating ...u are comparing what's not comparable.....

simple87:
While I do agree with you that there is tendency for these professionals to start demanding for increase salary, howver I don't believe they would be unreasonable to start demanding for the same salary as a medical consultants.

That said, your information about mentioning that only doctors study anatomy, physiology, pharmacology and biochemistry is wrong other health professionals such as Nurses and phyical therapist also take these courses. Outside these courses, they also take their own professional courses that trained them to be professionals in their field.

It is really troubling to find professionals fighting over titles rather than outcoming their services, really unfortunate and pathetic.

But Pharmacist don't do half of what doctors do
Pharmacist training and education isn't even up to half of the volume of what doctors have to go thru...
.why on earth will they be fighting for same medical doctor title and pay grade ...

Even those with PhD in academics can be saying they wan same pay grade with a consultant oncologist or gynaecologist. its absurd...they don't do the same thing

..sounds like witchcraft to me...

Ebubu7:
If we fight for the same pay as Doctors, that is because we get a 6 years training as well.

Fight for a higher pay for Doctors should be your concern.

Pharmacists are drug scientists but are now being brought closer to patients.

The NUC directive has already been implemented. Im sure NUC had broad consultation even with the Ministry of Health before implementing it. Nothing can be done anymore. Your lamentations are quite unfortunate and very late.

In USA, Pharmacists are approved by American government to use Dr. prefix.

Hahahahaa....U must be a cómedian....are u the only one that spent many years in school.??
..engineers also pend many years in school too, should they get medical Dr titles as well and get paid for not doing what doctors do ...

. U ddnt go through their extensive training.......their course context is far voluminous than yours....
.a doctor learns the course of many medical science course combined including your course.... anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, pharmacology, etc.
..they still get learn all the branch of medicine, ..... Cut people open and fix them up......go through rigorous residency program.....

.u don't even do their job......u now want to down play their sacrifice with your just because u spent 5 years in school because u want their pay....oga all u do is dispense drugs do tors say u should ..u won't even have a job with a medical doctor

U are being biased and becos of ur gr33d, and envying doctors for the money they make yet you don't do quarter of what they do.....

.... Make a biochemist come and be claiming he because he also had to learn plenty biochemical pathways like a pharmacist he should get get ur title and get paid like you...see how u will feel

Go and get an MBBS and the training that follows if u want to get their pay ....... Smàll yænsh dey shake....

Ebubu7:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket

Hahahahah!! ..Love in sharing...?? what kind of dirty justification is this? You are just doing one sided argument with pharmacist, failing to see this is a move aimed at getting the same pay scale as medical doctors without doing the job of doctors....even PhD holders in other niche are not in same pay scale as doctors.....

..I asked. what happened to other degrees in the medical niche...why don't y'all start giving doctors and start paying them same salary ...

Where do we draw the line...Why don't we start giving doctor titles to accountant, biochemist, microbiologist, ...

And yes pharmacist are drug scientist...if they want academic Dr title they should go and get PhD..