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Tayo-D:
have you ever herad of the war on terror? Again, only a rhetorical questions is good enough for you here.

Yes, I have heard of it. That was a popular phrase being used by Bush to refer to what he thinks is a war.

That Bush used that phrase doesn't make it have any meaning just as a lot of lies he told the world before invading Iraq amounted to nothing but a senseless lies by a clueless, blood thirsty and confused US president.

So, what Bush thinks is now your foundation for debate? Wonderful.

Just for the sake of argument if you believe that the war on terror justified the response by Bush and the gang then you should be ok with Ahmedinejad's response as regards "War on Western Imperialism".

Tayo-D:
@Afam,
The folly of a question can be revealed in two ways.  The first is to ask a rhetorical question that will make the questioner to think through his question as he obviously did not do so the first time.  The second way is to answer the question in such a ridiculous way that the questioner will be embarassed by his question.  I have chosen the former.

So once again, my response will be the same rhetorical question: "So is Iraq and Afghanistan less democratic than they were under Saddam and the Taliban?"

Why do you like being wrong?

Where did you get the idea that the folly of a question can be revealed in 2 ways? Why 2? Why not 3?

You can ignore a question to reveal the folly inherent in it. This is another choice and this makes the total number of choices 3 and not 2.

I decided to respond this way so that you realize that though you think you are usually right that in reality most of the time you are dead wrong but way too blind to see it.

The correctness or otherwise of any issue is not at all dependent of your acceptance of a position.

Repeat this line 3 times every night before you sleep and in 2 years you will become a better debater.

Enjoy the rest of the week.

tpiah:
Afam

you're a man.

let it go.

Unless you're lying about your gender.

With the way you're presenting yourself, if you get wife or girlfriend for house, it wont be long before you turn her into a punching bag after much disagreement.

Is there no limit to your preference to irrelevant stuff?

Are you looking for a boyfriend or husband that you are bothered about how Afam treats a girlfriend or wife?

I don't beat women because I warn them enough for them to understand that their excesses would not be tolerated under the guise that they are women. Of course disagreements are usually settled based on logic, facts and common sense and trust me it is much easier than you may think to do.

The result? I surround myself with honest, credible and intelligent women that believe that women should not be seen as people that are just good enough for quarrels, unnecessary argument etc.

I never stated anything about you as a person on this forum before you started with your wild and false accusations without any proof or evidence.

I thought I let this go a long time (as regards this topic) until you brought it up after some weeks or so and decided to make Afam your main point.

So, take your advice.

Ask around and you will find out that I never resort to personal attacks while disagreeing with people but I always respond to posts in kind and on time too.

Enjoy! You will earn my respect the moment you stop abusing people that disagree with you and more importantly the moment you find the courage to realize and accept your mistakes whenever you make them. Justifying them won't do.

tpiah:
Afam- you say you're a man.

Stop arguing like a woman.

Why are you always wrong?

I have seen a lot of intelligent women that engage in intellectual discussions.

Now, these women never believe that women are only known for argument. In fact they take offense when anyone tries to imply that women argue a lot.

Bottom line is that you have no excuse in the world to be arguing blinding thinking that people will understand simply because you are a woman.

If other women can think in a logical manner, agree or disagree with others based on logic, facts and common sense then it means that you can do so if you so wish.

Stop making excuses for your short comings, deal with them and more importantly learn to agree or disagree with people without insulting them.

On this topic proper, all but one poster attempted to support your position.

Many have made it crystal clear that you are very very wrong and you are here trying to divert attention to other issues.

Enjoy the rest of the week and I hope you become a better debater.

Tayo-D:
So was Iraq and Afghanistan less democratic than they were under Saddam and the Taliban?

Mr Man, I asked a question.

In case you missed it the first time

Afam:
Like Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia?

naijasaba:
Outlining steps Britain wanted to see, Brown cited reforms to the central bank and "genuine progress" on human rights, freedom of the media and in the repeal of repressive laws. He added that Britain wanted to see a new constitution within 18 months, new elections as soon as possible after that, and an end to land seizures.

1. Who the hell is Brown to tell Zimbabwe when Britain wants to see a new constitution?

2. Mugabe successfully fought the Western interference and support of the opposition leader for the benefit of the whole country.

@Becomrich,

U sure say you no wan try comedy? Comedy go give you all the money wey you need for di world trust me.

Tayo-D:
How can it be illegal when Congress approved of it. By the way, that was for a country at war seeking ways to monitor attacks by illegal combatants. Is Iran at war with its citizens? I just wonder for you sometimes Richy!

US was at war with about 19 suicide bombers or what?

The extent you go do defend anything US or Israel in spite of the facts on ground is becoming embarrassing.

This is highly disappointing coming from an educated person. You could just ignore the faults of your loved countries but to defend those faults even when the countries themselves have admitted to wrong doing is funny.

Better than turning to crime for food.

Problem with some developers is that rather than look for business model to turn into software they keep waiting for prospective clients to come up with ideas.

Why wait for projects when you have the skills and can use it to develop any application that will fetch you money?

tpiah:
the type of insults men use on women are what you need to look at sometimes. Whne the insults are coming from a misogynistic viewpoint, then only a certified schizo would see anything good in that.

Insults and abuses should not be used on anyone regardless of gender. So the issue of insults by men on women or from women to to should not arise at all.

tpiah:
how many times must i repeat myself here?

As many times as possible. Just address the issues raised.

tpiah:
I have to remember how come Okonjo became a professor? I need to get the time required to support my position?

Yes, especially if you have freely insulted people that stated that she is not a Prof.

tpiah:
learn when to quit an argument plz. I understand you're sentimental about richybrainwashedblack but you're sounding too ridiculous. The entire points have clearly flown over your head and right now you're only about maintaining some imaginary status quo.

Hold on to your dignity- once you lose it around here its hard to get back. I'm sure you know that already.

Thanks for the advice but judging from this thread alone it would be clear to you that you have not been able to support your position at all, rather you have spent time insulting people that disagreed with you.

Tayo-D:
Bush made the case since 911 that the solution to terrorism is for the ME to embrace democracy. He promoted freedom and engaged the people of the ME to demand it from their rulers. This may just be the fruits of that stance and it only makes sense that we do not keep silent at this time.

Like Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia?

ElRazur:
Afam.
Glad to see that you are still "looking for allies" across thread. Good to see my post have such effect on you. Plus points for me. Here is a little tip, you can learn to ignore me completely without side talking to me. Simple common sense.

Sorry, I am happy that others are beginning to see through your ignorance, simple.

If I make 1 million naira every time someone points out your ignorance I will become a billionaire in any 3 days period.

Stick to issues you understand. It is not compulsory for you to post on threads you think you understand, sometimes you will benefit more by just reading what others have put down.

Something good has come out of your style though especially now that you are being exposed here and there for what you are - the insults and abuses are really coming down, seems you have realized that you cannot win arguments based on them. You are learning, well done.

biina:
You are free to give your opinion on issues, but knowing your level of knowledge of the matter lets one know either to take your opinions serios or treat as comments from someone who is ignorant of the issue being discussed. If you do not know anything concrete about Islam, then your opinion should simply be ignored.

Some other people have noticed the above and made same clear to the guy. Goes about making wild claims and unsubstantiated allegations and opinion on things he knows very little about.

I love this forum. It gives one ample time to ridicule one's self and self destruct in the process.

mikeansy:
I do not put the sins of any individual on any religion, I just condemn a religion's refusal to condemn violence within its midst

when will a world renowned Muslim cleric or leader condemn Al-qaeda and its followers

Can you endorse the fact that Al-qaeda are a terrorist organisation that should have no place in any religion? (My guess is that in your next four post you will be unable to condemn al-qaeda)

Is Al-qaeda part of Islam?

Is Al-qaeda the same thing is Islam?

What defines a terrorist organisation?

How different is Al-qaeda from the state sponsored killed of innocent people like the US or Israel in areas they choose to use their forces in?

One man's terrorist may just be another's freedom fighter.

If Islam does not make any reference to Al-qaeda then it will amount to word play when we try to equate or even compare Al-qaeda to Islam.

Would anyone condemning Al-qaeda change the reason for the existence of such groups and movements?

We must understand that injustices, maiming and killing of innocent ones etc have been used as excuses for people to set up organisations while playing the religion game like we see in Nigeria where the elite would rather use religion to divide Nigerians instead of addressing the issues like hunger, deprivation and injustices.

Has Al-qaeda done anything worse than what the US did in Iraq - waged a war against a sovereign nation based on lies and today a lot of innocent children, men and woman have been sent to their graves.

We must begin to address injustices for what they are and stop bringing in religion into anything because religion can be used as a tool to control people, seek for support, draw empathy etc.

texazzpete:
As far as i know this story of moving N250 million has NEVER been carried by any of the major newspapers in Nigeria. And we all can see the concerted efforts being put in place by the PDP to kick him out, including demanding for a state of emergency over kidnapping.

Are you saying that the N250M story is false or manufactured?

We do not need to wait for any particular newspaper to carry the story because media houses can be settled and it will be easy for the governor to set aside the whole N250M to kill this story considering what is at stake.

Why all the contradictory comments by the governor's media aide?

Maybe we should also ask Nigerians to provide any proof that Ibori or Odili is corrupt.

Thanks for your contribution.

While I agree that some of your comments and advice made sense I think I disagree with the following comments as they would more than likely lead to misinformation and perhaps confusion.

iukpe:
The costs usually displayed by dealers in most cases are of the inverter alone. You will have to worry about isolated electrical lines if you want to have a fixed load not variable load on your inverter. The right kind of batteries (Deep cycle) and reasonable battery tank if you want to worry about extended hours of running, and this is usually not supported by the built in chargers in the inverter [/b]as they might be designed to charge at most 2 batteries in about 4 to 6hrs.

Proper design of any backup application will take care of the appropriate charging algorithm for the battery bank. Only mass produced inverters with built in chargers have these problems as any inverter builder can build the charge to handle the battery bank.

iukpe:
Actually inverters are more economical in the long term if you inverst in about a 5kva or 10 to 20kva inverter, solar panels and a [b]sizey battery tank. Periodic maintenance will be a total replacement of your battery tank in say 2yrs or so when your runtime reduces significantly and this is usually cheaper then the cost of petrol or diesel for an equivalent generator capacity, in the same period.

You don't need 5KVA or 10 KVA to 20KVA for you to enjoy inverter backup systems. Solar panels must not be used either. Good deep cycle batteries can last for 5 years or more. At about N54,000.00 per 12V 200Ah deep cycle battery I do not think that replacing them every 2 years make sense as you will have to factor in the cost of disposal, purchases and installation each time you do that and these also cost money.

I have not used a generator in my office for over 5 years here in Lagos and I use 1.5KVA inverter. The last set of batteries I bought has seen over 2 years now and no drop in performance. Even though the state of power supply has really gone down in the last few months I still believe that a properly designed backup system would provide reasonable backup for most homes in Nigeria.

iukpe:
But trust me the cost will exceed N600,000.00 if you want it to make sense. No monthly servicing, no noise, no frequent trips to filling stations is what you will enjoy.

N600,000.00 seems high for the average Nigerian or even the average Nigerian that would want to embrace inverter backup. I have clients that don't mind spending more than N1M but these clients are very far in between.

N150,000.00 to under N400,000.00 is typical and with a good energy efficiency program you can see backup up to 2 days.

iukpe:
I will advise anyone willing to go into inverters as an option as a consumer to review options very well before starting to spend money. I will also advise that you build you battery tank in batches so you also replace them in batches this will reduce your periodic cost.

As stated earlier a good set of deep cycle batteries should last for up to 5 years before talking about replacements and this is based on proper battery bank sizing.

Many thanks for your time.

davidylan:
1. [b]We dont know that the election was rigged . . . [/b]infact it seems Ahmedinejad won the election fair and square. Obama throwing American support for Mousavi with no concrete proof that he actually won the elections would have strengthened the Iranian clerics.

The content in bold refers, when objective comments like these come to the fore you begin to see the likes of ElRazur and Tunku insulting others simply because they lack the capacity to think in a logical manner.

Obama may choose to support any of the parties involved as long as he understands the consequences.

I will always draw a parallel with Mugabe in Zimbabwe when the West claimed that he rigged the election and even old men threatened to join the army to defend Zimbabwe from the opposition leader and his Western backers.

How can a "dictator" like Mugabe allow an opposition leader to get more than 40% of the votes when it was reported that he rigged the election and shut out international media etc?

I guess a lot of people talking about rigging the election here know very little about Saddam's style where well over 90% of the votes usually go to him in elections.

Those who find it supremely difficult to tolerate views that are not original to them will always find enough time on a public forum to self destruct and embarrass themselves to the extent that their over bloated egos would make them look and act stupid.

Tayo-D:
The overiding issue is this: "Is a military apparatus an  indispensable part of a nation"? The answer is obviously negative 'cos we have many countries today without a standing military. Isreal has every reason to be sceptical about a Palestinian military when the governing coalition does not believe in the right of Isreal to exist.  Isreal unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and the territor became a rocket launching station against Isreal. Isreal will be stupid to not protect themselves against such in the future.

1. The decision to own an army should be left to the Palestinian people not Israel.

2. Israel has a right to be skeptical about a Palestinian Army just as Palestine has every right not to trust Israel with a demilitarized Palestine.

3. Unilateral withdrawal of Israel from seized lands is pure nonsense because this is akin to saying that an armed robber returned one of the 2 TVs he stole from you and expected kisses and cheers.

4. Yes, Israel has every right to protect itself just as every other country or nation or people including the people of Palestine.

@Ibime,

Respects from me. It takes courage and boldness for one to speak the truth not just know the truth.

At least I believe you now know why a lot of Igbos feel betrayed by their own friends, neighbors and brothers in the former Eastern region.

All the best.

Abandoned property in this case is not about losing a war otherwise the Northerners would have been the ones that could have done it not your own neighbors and friends.

Igbos did not lose their homes in the West or the North but to some people in the same Eastern region.

This is one act of betrayal that no one can spin or twist. Very very shameful.

This is how people self destruct due to pride.

The average Nigerian would rather go to war than accept a mistake. Real shame.

You have lied and made false allegation and yet have the guts to demand answers to questions without addressing your wrong. You must be a joker.

ElRazur:
I may not be up to date as you, but seeing that you support Iran through and through, can you explain to me as to how the UK have a part to play in all of these?

Support Iran through and through? You see why I basically do not like wasting time with people like you on issues because your thinking process is flawed.

So, because I have asked questions and made comments that points to not accepting every single statement coming from opposition camp and a lot of pro Western media without facts I am now a supporter of Iran through and through?

When I complain about basing argument on logic you begin to panic.

I do not believe in blanket condemnation or commendation of anything as things must not necessarily by 100% or 0% to make sense.

Quote me properly, do not make false accusations against me to support your position and then you can be sure of discussions based on issues.

Until then, bye bye.

Number 1

ElRazur:
I wasn't going to reply to you, but I needed to set the record straight. Once and for all. For the record, I have not insulted anyone around here.

Number 2

ElRazur:
That is it. I have no desire to reply to you again as per this. Period.

Number 3

ElRazur:
@Afam. Less bickering please. I dare you to actually make PROPER contribution to this thread at hand. You can start by answering the questions I posed at you from the very beginning. It would be nice to see your superiority that you referred to.

Zero credibility and highly inconsistent.

ElRazur:
I wasn't going to reply to you, but I needed to set the record straight. Once and for all. For the record, I have not insulted anyone around here. Fact. I have questioned the logic of people's reasoning behind their posts etc. Heck, I have even said "Bleep you" as a form of tongue in cheek. But never have I have insulted anyone as a form of insult. Asking someone "Are you stupid" is not an insult. It is merely a question. However, you seem to take an exception to comments like this.

If you were brought up in a family where minor disagreements are settled with insults between your family members that is your own problem not mine.

You can deny that you insult people when they disagree with you but you cannot change the fact that you do.

Hypocrisy is high here but a typical hypocrite will be the first to accuse others of what they do.

While you keep denying the fact that you insult people that disagree with you I will never do that, I insult people only as a way of reply and will continue to do so.

Unfortunately, you may have been used to people tolerating your insults and as such may have wrongly assumed that your insults are not insults.

You will remain a born liar if you fail to tell yourself the truth about your attitude towards opposing views.

@Tunku,

It seems that people who have whores as mothers are usually quick to call other peoples' mothers whores. Idiots like you will remain idiots until the day you die. Say me hi to your mother and ask her if she is still in the business that mistakenly brought you into this world.

ElRazur:
Tunku and Afam. How hard is it for you guys to actually debate in simple logical debate, with basis in intelligence?

Not to sound like am talking down at you both. Afam, you claim to have superior knowledge and logic , perhaps you should show this more? And Tunku, how low do you have to sink and start involving "mums"? Come on, you guys are sucking the life out of this section.

In a debate, when things get ugly, one have to take a higher ground and be a bigger man. I wonder who will that be between you.

You can join forces and attack me, I ain't bothered. I have said my piece.

You have no right to advice anyone on how to behave on discussions and debates because you are just like Tunku who will easily resort to insulting people when there are differences of opinions.

I have never and will never insult anyone simply for disagreeing with me and I will always respond to insults in kind when people who cannot disagree with others cannot finish a sentence without insulting another.

So, I guess it will make more sense for you to follow your advice.

Personally, over the years I have come to realize that those who resort to insults in debates are usually those who cannot support their positions based on logic, facts and common sense and as such would want to divert attention to other issues.

Stick to the issues raised and learn to respect yourself and then other people you interact with in life. You do not become more knowledgeable by insulting anyone that disagrees with you.

By the way, the right to respond to insults in kind is a fundamental one and I will always use it and on time too whenever the need arises.

tunku:
Thank you afam, your LovePeddler of a mother would be proud of you. I just finished watching the supreme leader's speech and people still think this election wasn't rigged? Again afam, LovePeddler of a mother. 

Your are just a clueless pig. A pig with a warped sense of reasoning and very stupid conclusions based on wrong premises and gross ignorance.

asha 80:
E be like say that abandoned property saga in rivers affected your family badly.

It does not have to affect anyone for anyone to speak out against such disgraceful act.

This is like armed robbers forcefully taking from someone what belongs to him or her.

That is why armed robbers and thieves don't brag in the open and they don't want to be known as armed robbers.

How can a human being occupy a house he may not have had any opportunity in his lifetime to build? How can the children of people like that shamelessly claim that their fathers have houses when in actual fact they stole houses from people that were fighting a war - people that lived with them as friends and brothers. This perhaps is the most shameful act I have seen by a people.

tunku:
Do you see the idiots claiming the protests to be a U.S. conspiracy on this forums from non Iranians?

Idiots? No wonder, this is what you get when people find it supremely difficult to defend a position, they begin to abuse and insult anything they cannot coherently challenge or debunk while introducing lies to justify stupid line of thought.

You are in my opinion a complete waste of orgasm. An abortion would have been just fine in your case, silly dog.

dayokanu:
@Afam,

Do you check Aljazeera news at all

This is one

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/06/200961781431119985.html

I guess they are a one of the western Media inciting people too?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/2009616184556951795.html

No, I don't.

Who owns Aljazeera?

Do you know the problems between the Arabs and the Persians?

I am not here to defend Iran considering the fact that the truth may evade all of us since none of us is there and demonstrations can be staged, externally funded and supported.

We saw similar thing in Zimbabwe and today where is the opposition leader? Right there working with Mugabe.

So, the West for obvious reasons would want Ahmedinejad out, Israel would love that too, a lot Arab people would hope for that and even the younger generation in Iran who want to see some of the strict rules guiding them relaxed.

However, what I have put down above does not in any way prove that the election was rigged and that is my point.

What we feel or wish for is one thing, the reality is another thing entirely.

If we can leave out sentiments in discussions we would put forward better and objective points and positions.

tunku:
wtf is wrong with you people. A million discontent Iranians march to protest a rigged election and we get people like Afam saying well where is your proof? U guess these idiots are totally devoid from reality when they in all actuality are living in a state where the will of the people isn't being served by these leaders because they weren't actually elected into office in the first day. If the elections weren't rigged why should the Leader ask the Guardian Council to do a partial recount. Again, comparing the case of South Africa whose ANC party won with about the same margin of victory as the incumbent in Iran yet I haven't seen mass rallies ending in death protesting the injustice of ANC's reelection. Nobody is extolling Iran as the paradigm of democracy, but you don't get what is happening in Iran if dinnerjacket truly did win with the margins quoted, It makes no bleating sense at all. If PDP doesn't rig elections then Nigerians as a whole is a nation of incredibly stupid people. I guess all those people dying on election day two years ago is one of the hallmarks of a trouble free and fair electoral system.

If you want to expose your high level of stupidity be my guest.

So, every single statement coming out of anywhere should be believed because people like you feel comfortable with them or what?

Someone comes to a public forum and claims an interior ministry official leaked the true result and died in mysterious circumstances and I am supposed to believe that as fact? You must be insane to expect me to believe such.

Rather than engage in debates based on logic and facts you come here to tell the world what you feel or think about issues without any effort to support your positions with facts.

Who bloody cares what you think on any issue for that matter?

@Ibime,

I would want to believe that I am not the only person that have noticed your intolerance to views you disagree with especially as regards insulting people and trying to even insult a tribe including making very grave allegations against the dead.

I stated yesterday that he who comes to equity must do so in clean hands.

It is not in your own best interest to carry on like this.

Even twins from the same womb disagree on issues so you must learn as a matter of common sense to agree or disagree with people without resorting to going to war to settle disagreements.

You guys should learn to ignore this ElRazur guy.

He is a complete mumu.

He comes to the table with stiff mindsets and is ready to abuse or insult anyone that does not expressly agree with his positions no matter how warped his sense of reasoning is.

He believes that by insulting others he will have his way in debates.

This is one good example of "half knowledge is dangerous".

Sometimes, dictatorship makes sense as deleting this guy's username would do a lot of good on any section he uses.

@topic,

What on earth would a clearing agent be doing on the location if not to clear the goods? This is common sense question but as they say common sense no common at all at all.