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Lies and more lies.

1. Only someone that should have been long aborted would maintain that we do not need more programmers in Nigeria. I do programming work for a lot of web designers who find it difficult to handle projects that require programming at all. I have come into the picture in situations where nothing less than 3 to 5 web developers have handled simple projects that demanded basic programming without any reasonable headway.

2. This thread is not about the state government framework but about the many opportunities that exist in an area where few Nigerians go into.

3. I never get upset when people disagree with me because I get to disagree with a lot of people. I guess the mirror will do some of us real good here because it is common to find people who accuse others of what they are guilty of without realizing it.

4. It is good to know that the logica of a guy has provided enough comments and suggestions to prove that he knows little about what he delves into. Half knowledge is really dangerous. Picking up one or two lines on ebooks will not make up for what one does not know.

You guys should walk the talk, we have a lot of talkers and braggers already. Put your money where your mouth is.

Again, this is not a software supremacy contest. PHP is a very useful tool and I believe that anyone that can master any programming language will do well.

Now we are talking embedded environments as if we do it everyday.

Someone wants us to think outside the box and doesn't want to see the possibilities of a language.

PHP has always been seen as a web development tool but without waiting for anyone from PHP team to say otherwise I have successfully used it to develop desktop applications that run flawlessly.

Stop talking or bragging and start coding, that is what programmers do.

And, don't paste websites here and claim to be the developer when you cannot substantiate anything.

logica:
@Afam

Kindly list the PHP equivalents of J2ME and JavaCard and then maybe you may be considered as someone who knows what he's talking about.

Sorry for the delay, didn't see the reply until now.

I should list the PHP equivalents of J2ME and Javacard? Will that help the statement that I made that over 70% of dynamic web applications run on PHP?

logica:
Afam, lol. i thot ur name looked familiar. no wonder you were frothing @ the mouth over a simple pointer that your idea was not sound. you must have been smarting @ me pointing out to you that the thread starter is speaking apples and you are hearing oranges. "j2me, javacard" and you just jumped in without a thot throwing "php" around.

*yawa-ti-de
yawa ti dey indeed lol. i just dey do the thing wey u talk in another way

No need for the comments as I never saw your earlier post. Seems you have an issue with PHP.

logica:
ebot,

some people are so dim that they think all that is to app development is the web. [b]any developer with half a brain knows php is a scripting language for web development alone. [/b]now when such environments like embedded environments are in question, then no mention of php should be made. i even fulfilled all righteousness by doing a search for "embedded php" in google. i came up with nothing. maybe afam can throw more light on this.

The content in bold refers, again you have come up with statements you pick from ebooks that are not entirely correct. I have developed a desktop based application for an oil servicing firm using just PHP and MySQL. What differentiates the practical programmer from the talking programmers is the way each applies knowledge. Acquisition of knowledge is on thing and the application of knowledge is another issue entirely.

iyc:
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candylips:
@ logica and afam

No point throwing punches in here. Nobody knows everything we are all learning every day.

Even so called genius have ruined the World's financial markets because they think they are too smart.

It pays to be humble with your knowledge.

I guess this is what you get when you argue with a mad man as people will not know the difference.

I started a thread on the need for more programmers in Nigeria and to demonstrate what people can do with programming I listed a project that took under 4 days to develop which demonstrated the fact that with more and more programmers Nigerians can come up with very useful web applications.

Basically all those that responded to this thread agreed that we really need more programmers until this pig chose to turn the thread into a software solution supremacy contest between a 4 days project and LifeRay he claimed he had used once for a client for a project that never went live.

Logica is dirt any day and criminals like him who will try to show that he knows a lot when in reality he is still struggling with the basics don't deserve any space online.

I have seen clowns like him come and go and the good thing is that he has embarrassed himself enough with his many wrong assertions and claims not to menation his misleading of clients based on half knowledge adding to the frustration of many clients in Nigeria who get to deal with morons all in the name of getting web presence.

Put differently, I cannot be throwing punches with someone that clearly exhibits his lack of understanding on issues here but I will always correct wrong statements or comments that are not only wrong but stupid.

bawomolo:
iran is the one sponsoring hamas and hezbollah. i wonder why a peaceful nation would want to do such a thing

Ok, now I understand this guy's problem.

What is wrong in Iran sponsoring Hamas and Hezbollah?

What does Hamas represent? Hamas won a very peaceful and violent free elections in Palestine mind you. That was democracy that the US and Israel opposed.

Hezbollah was formed after something happened in the 80's, try to find out what happened that led to the formation of Hezbollah to avoid being spoonfed.

You believe it is ok for the UK to sponsor, support and fund Israel as they use the money and weapons to kill innocent people while it is wrong for Iran to support Hamas or Hezbollah.

My friend, your problem is fundamental and based on bigotry that stinks to high heavens.

@forum/thread monitor,

I guess this is the most reasonable post I have read from you on this forum.

NB: I will be going out today to attend to some issues so don't get heart attack when you don't see me online as I don't sit in front of my laptop all day.

logica:
indeed @ yawa dude is so cowardly even online that it got 2 the point that once i respond, he goes offline waiting for me to leave before responding. i won't waste my time with him anymore.

Boy, I never knew you were this stupid. So, I have to keep watch on this forum or this programming section for that matter at all times? My dear get a life, there is a life outside this forum so don't write as if your life really depends on it.

I have an office and I have a home and I have 24 hrs internet access so one can choose to log out of the internet if need be at any time.

I knew you would eventually self destruct on this thread because from day 1 you are always in a hurry to display the little you know while assuming you know it all. Trust me, it usually happens to people that think and act like you, they end up embarrassing themselves to the extent that they will eventually drop their usernames and choose new usernames.

One more advice, go back to the Vasno abi na Vaseline Nig Ltd you claimed you designed a LifeRay based application for and wrongly and foolishly advised to get oracle database because you heard 20 million and apologize fast for your stupidity and for misleading them.

Maybe they actually decided not to take the nonsense you did for them online to avoid embarrassment, I feel they may have been wondering why you kept placing "Return to Home Page" link on the home page of their website and decided to look for another developer.

So, keep monitoring me to know when I log on and when I log off, it shows you have a lot of time to waste since clients are running away due to your unlimited goofing when it comes to web development.

Enjoy the weekend and get a new surveillance camera to aid your monitoring.

bawomolo:
dude the MAN is trying to keep the igbo man down.

Which MAN? It is Igbo not igbo.

3rd Mainland Bridge is in Lagos State.

Niger Bridge is not in Anambra State but a bridge connecting Anambra and Delta states or Eastern and Western regions of Nigeria.

Did I touch something just now?

It seems you are misunderstanding me, I believe you are so good, so good to the extent that you advised a client to go get oracle database because you heard 20 million (assuming your claim is true anyway) and because you know web development well enough to put "Return to Home Page" link on the home page of a website you claimed you developed.

If you cannot substantiate anything then keep those stinking fingers in your pocket as you cannot fool any one on this forum.

There is a disconnect between what you claim to be (of course nothing is substantiated) and the comments that come from you even on basic issues relating to database.

Another faceless criminal with claims that cannot be substantiated. If you cannot prove anything then do not bother claiming anything, this is common sense and this is logical.

Let me know when you come up with another website you claimed you developed. Hint: UN, UNESCO, World Bank etc.

Hmm, the next thing you know another clown registers a username on nairaland, puts down a lot of incoherent posts and gives the websites of Pentagon and the US official websites as his work while hiding under the banner that corporate sites don't have to have site credits.

If you cannot substantiate anything then hold your peace because as things stand now I see you as a fraudulent person and nothing more.

Someone that can effortlessly recommend oracle database to a client because he thinks 20 million and mysql don't go together is certainly lacking in fundamental knowledge when it comes to database driven applications.

Send the initial response, it may make more sense.

Thanks for the links. Is there a puzzle free way of knowing who developed the sites you referenced and marrying same to your screen name or am I supposed to believe what you put down here as facts?

On the internet any slowpoke can claim anything and based on your opinions on certain issues as expressed on this thread alone I would be very surprised if you had anything to do with the sites you put down.

@logica,

At every turn that you are proven wrong you switch to another issue entirely.

See you when you are able to get the site you did based on LifeRay live as your excuse on mysql not being able to handle anything up to 20 million is based on ignorance.

As usual we have excellent programmers and architects that hide their projects under their beds while claiming to be experts everywhere.

You have pointed to a single website where you have foolishly put "Return to Home Page" link on the home page and you want me to take you serious?

You are not organized upstairs and it seems you are the only benefiting from the discussion because when all your mistakes are pointed out you will correct them without saying thanks.

Enjoy!

Your lame explanations on why you are advising your client to move to oracle are well noted but trust me your reasons don't make sense even though you may have been able to convince your client.

The idea of the state government framework may not be sound but that is not the essence of this thread and as usual when people find it difficult to make their points they divert attention to other things.

If I needed a programmer and you are the only one available I will rather abandon the project than come close to you because you lack fundamental understanding of issues.

Half knowledge they say is very dangerous.

Does it not disturb you that you have been proven wrong over and over again and each time you choose to ignore rather than admit your mistakes or lack of understanding of issues?

yahoo runs on mysql and you are here advising a client that may most likely never process the volume of information yahoo processes to move to oracle because you heard 20million and you wrongly assumed mysql would not handle that.

By the way, do not think it is a compliment to state that you talk like someone that repeats what he reads on ebooks because a lot of people write all sorts of ebooks and so repeating what is wrong while thinking it is right is not a good thing. It shows your lack of understanding of the issues you are discussing.

Still don't know the connection between your advice to move from mysql to oracle and your earlier statement that open solution beats a specialized solution any day? This guy is really interesting.

Be careful lest you are banned for unlimited goofing on this forum. you cannot sweep everything under the carpet on this forum. Restrict your comments to what you know.

@logica,

It is common to hear from Nigerians statements like "you are missing the point" or "you don't get it" and when you sit back and listen to their explanations you begin to wonder if they could reason at all.

You think you have pointed out problems. It is not the same thing as pointing out problems. You stated that the implementation of the application on Lagos state website is crap (according to you) and the only work you have done with the same application is not live due to mysql problems and you want people to prefer that framework over something that is customized to suit our own peculiar need as regards the 36 states in Nigeria (plus or minus Abuja).

You cannot be both the judge and the jury and that is the good thing about the forum.

Again you have displayed your lack of understanding of technology as regards mysql.

20 million is certainly lower than the benchmark for mysql. Do yourself a favor and learn to argue based on facts, logic, common sense and thorough knowledge about what you wish to dabble into.

I have seen the site you referenced and by just taking a look at the home page I saw a link that said "Return to Home page" on the home page of the website and it shows that the developer never paid attention to details.

Why would I need to see a link on the home page that is telling me to click on it to go return to the home page?

To be honest with you, if you had posted this site long before now coupled with the mysql issues you claimed stopped your implementation of LifeRay from going live I wouldn't have wasted time responding to your many incoherent statements that seem to come from ebooks.

Go back to your client and admit to them that 20 million is small for mysql database to handle and their is actually no economic sense in moving to oracle.

You have again shot yourself here. You are advising your client to move from mysql (Open source) to oracle (Closed source). Don't you think you are being too inconsistent when you claimed that an open solution always beats a specialized solution a couple of posts back?

logica:
"Also you have again generalized and assumed that all states in every country would have the same needs and requirements."

from that quote above it is apparent you have no idea of what you are talking about. you provided a template which you want to use for every single state. now compared to an open portal framework like liferay, who is generalizing and assuming that all states would have the same needs and requirements?

The good thing about an open forum like this is that it will give you all the opportunity in the world to show people how you think and how you process information.

A framework for all the states in Nigeria is more useful and straight to the point than a framework for states that belong to different countries for the simple fact that components of all the states in one country may not be the same with components of all the states in another country.

Base your argument on facts, common sense and logic. In your desperation to win an argument you may overlook very basic differences that will expose your lack of understanding of what you are talking about.

logica:
"Another general statement. A stadium is usually well suited for sporting activities much better than a large piece of land any day."

here you have wrong use of analogy. if stadium is to "a portal for states" as portal framework (like liferay) is to a "piece of land" then you missed it by a mile. if stadium is to "a portal for states" then it's best you think of a portal framework as a "stadium with no match fixtures". the framework is already the stadium and should not be compared to a piece of land with no infrastructure.

As stated earlier you seem not to pay attention to details. The word usually should make my point clear to you. I guess FIFA and Olymipic organizers would stop accrediting the sporting facilities in countries hosting major tournaments or competitions and instead look for a large piece of land that can do the job.

logica:
it seems you are not able to differentiate the portal developer (as in the web developer that delivered the lagos state portal) from the application/framework developer as in the team of developers that came up with liferay. i laid the blame of the "flaw" on the portal developer, not the app developer. the default behaviors of the liferay framework have to be customized by the portal developer to suit the requirements of the client, as well as wholly customized for the site in question. you cannot blame the app developer for having a default login page (which was what the portal developer used, and which you refer to as a "flaw".

If you tell me your local language I could repeat the same thing in your language. Thus far I have been explicit and precise in addressing the web developer and the application/software developer. Do not blame your lack of comprehension on me.

It is interesting to note that you consider it normal for a user login page on an application instance to redirect to the software owner's website.

logica:
as part of my portfolio, i already mentioned Vanso Nig Limited, whose portal i developed and which happens to be the only work i have done with Liferay existing in the public domain. but it has not been deployed because of some technical difficulties they ran into (poor performance of deployed mysql server instances). but if you want to see what can be done with liferay, feel free to visit their website and see a list of sites/portals that run on it, and you will be sure to find them almost unidentifiable as liferay portals due to the richness of the customization tools.

and more on the lagos state website. the dude that did this is obviously not familiar with the new paradigm of portals and portlets (widgets) from the crap i see. he didn't make use of portlets which would have greatly enhanced the look of the site. he is obviously still stuck in the pre-portal mindset.

Websites please? What is Vanso Nig Limited? Poor performance of deployed mysql server instances should not stop a company website from going live as it takes less than 30 minutes to deploy a new mysql server on most machines.

It also does not make sense to try to change the issue at hand as regards the need for more programmers in Nigeria to software supremacy battle between your robust state framework (without any fully functional one in Nigeria) and what I spent less than 4 days to come up with which I hope would be useful to a lot of states in Nigeria considering the fact that many states do not have websites and some of those states with websites have sub standard websites based on functionality.

Are you a programmer? If yes, can you point to projects you have developed from scratch?

Enjoy the weekend ahead.

@RichyBlack,

It seems you have a new intake this month. May God help you in educating this slowpoke bawomolo.

How can someone be thinking his his left hand at this point in time?

logica:
an open solution always beats a specialized solution. the portal technology has matured and is quite robust enough to provide a solution to the stated problem: state websites (portals). your solution will definitely be too restrictive, and will require too much extra work as more states come up with customization features that answer to their peculiar requirements, which you didn't think about.

Guy, it seems you are used to repeating stuff you read about on the web without paying too much attention to details.

An open solution always beats a specialized solution. Very very wrong and the key word that makes it so wrong is the word always. I will not bother giving a lecture on how wrong your assertion is.

My solution will be too restrictive while the Liferay is robust enough to provide a solution to the stated problems: state websites. Another general statement. A stadium is usually well suited for sporting activities much better than a large piece of land any day. Think about this.

Also you have again generalized and assumed that all states in every country would have the same needs and requirements. How wrong.

Open source solutions that are doing very well often times require paid support for customization and tweaking.

logica:
it seems you conveniently ignored the fact that i blamed the issue of the "flaw" found on the lagos state website on the developer. a seasoned developer would have done much better. i have designed customized login screens for portals based on liferay.

Do you do selective reading? How can you claim I conveniently ignored the fact that you blamed the issue of the flaw on the developer when I made it clear that it is wrong for an application developer to have any user login page redirect to his/her own website as against the particular website where the application is installed.

You get to find site or software credits in the footer area, copyright documents and agreements not on login pages so you are wrong in blaming the developer for the flaw that should rest squarely on the developer's shoulders.

A seasoned developer may even develop web applications mush faster than trying to tweak codes written by another developer as the developer would need to read and understand the underlying codes before attempting to change anything. The time spent on understanding the code would do well in having the same application written from scratch in some cases.

Well, could you please point us to some of these customized login pages or full websites you have set up using Liferay?

Many thanks for your time.

logica:
@Afam,

You r right. The Lagos state government website runs on Liferay, and this seems 2 be a vindication of what I had said. The fact that a link takes you to Liferay's website is the fault of the portal developer. I have done plenty of work with Liferay and I would not make such a mistake. obviously the developer is an upstart, he/she didn't attempt 2 change the logo on the login page. matter of fact, the login page can be replaced but he/she had no idea of how 2 go about it. this is exactly what i did 4 a portal i did for VANSO Nigeria Ltd only that i'm not sure of the status of the portal @ this point.

That the Lagos state government website runs on Liferay does not mean much especially when the flaw was what brought up the discussion on the forum that I read about it.

Why would someone build an application that would lead visitors to the application writer's home page (upon logging in) and not the restricted area where the application is installed?

Would the guy that used the software contact the original owner to remedy the situation or would he attempt to do so himself?

Either way it makes sense to have a local software that is developed from ground up to solve a unique problem as against a "one size fits all" approach.

In any case my reference to the state government framework was to demonstrate what Nigerians could come up with if we have more programmers as what you see on that page didn't take more than 4 or 5 days to complete from the thought process to the final code that was written before making the post.

Enjoy.

Sure, once our leaders learn to take decisions that will better the lives of all Nigerians and not decisions that tend to protect only the interests of Western nations and very few corrupt Nigerians who are only interested in maintaining the status quo.

landis:
Indeed.

$16bill gone and we still generating less than 3000MW.

1. No one spent $16B in the first place

2. Power generation increased to more than 3000MW while OBJ was in power

3. The over 400 power projects that were initiated under OBJ (where the bulk of the over $10B went to) are still ongoing projects, projects that have been delayed by the Yar'adua led government due to the probe, delay at the various ports where turbines are already laying waste, the inability of the NIPP people to pay the villages compensations for lands acquired and the problems in the Niger Delta where construction workers are being kidnapped.

4. That you cannot see any improvement based on the NIPP issue is perfectly normal because there is usually a project time frame for such projects and even without the unnecessary delays being caused by the present government the delivery date is still not here.

5. Even if all the projects are 97% complete you will not see any improvement because you cannot generate a single watt of electricity if all the components involved in the power generation are not complete and functional.

Learn to discuss based on facts, logic and common sense. This idea of doing everything to tarnish the image of someone for no reason or for lack of understanding of the real issues is bad and serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

Sure, will prefer Russia to US any day. At least the world will be a much safer place with Russia wielding the type of power US is wielding today.

Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't have been in a mess if not for the lying Bush and his war mongers in the White House and Pentagon.

dayokanu:
very friendly and peaceful quotes, please can you quote any statement like this from the Israeli sources even from Aljazeera

I thought it was only the US and Israel running the vendetta against Iran.

I guess Iraq didn't corporate enough with the IAEA before US ordered the inspectors to leave Iraq so they could illegally invade a sovereign nation based on shameless lies about WMDs.

Good enough the US is finding it increasingly difficult to carry out such stupid unilateral actions (never mind Blair and co) as long as we have the likes of China and Russia around.

Love OBJ or hate him God Has shown that OBJ was part of His plan for Nigeria.

You don't get to rule the most populous black nation on earth twice (first as a military man and second as a civilian) without God having a say in it.

OBJ made mistakes but it will be very wrong to dismiss his many contributions towards the stability and economic growth we are witnessing today as a nation.

Maybe those of us that kept praying for OBJ to die were deceiving ourselves and of course God never listened to the prayer of the wicked.

There is no president or head of state that has done much in the area as power generation as OBJ did and this is a fact.

Sometimes we are blinded by hate that we turn logic on its head just to rubbish someone.

Condemn OBJ for his mistakes but for any good thing he did while in office he deserves to be commended.

logica:
With regards to the title:

Afam, about what you said about the state gov thing, I believe you may be reinventing the wheel. There exist quite a number of portal frameworks that simpify your goal. I am aware of those that are based on Java (JSR-168) such as Liferay. Liferay is free and is open-source. Based on JSR-168 and comes with a bunch of ready made portlets (widgets).

Reinventing the wheel? That is what you hear when people don't want you to understand how things work in real life. Youtube reinvented the wheel, almost every single software that is not the first reinvented the wheel. What is important is to develop software that will solve problems you envisage or problems that are existing.

My goal is to have a standard framework for our state government websites. For starters I don't do JAVA so Liferay is not something I have used or intend to use.

There is always logical case for software ownership as regards being able to implement anything you want to implement.

I hope Liferay is not the one that is being used by Lagos State government because I remember reading on a forum (don't think it's this one) that it was badly implemented and some links actually take you to the software owner's page (not copyright info).

logica:
But I don't think there are enough development jobs out here to the point that we are short of hands. Our economy has not yet developed to the point where like in the US every major company has a group of developers in house and projects that are so huge that they actually usually bring in more programmers/developers/architects etc as contractors/consultants.

There is no week I don't get to face new request for core programming jobs. Many have been burnt already. I have seen companies that have paid up to 5 different people/companies for programming jobs yet nothing to show for it.

Just as many people lost money in the name of getting basic websites some couple of years ago many people are doing so again when it comes to programming.

bawomolo:
i'm not challenging freedom of speech but the myth that iran is a friendly peaceful nation

This is the craziest statement I have seen this year. Myth? What have you been drinking guy?

Buhari should leave the party and join another of form his own party. You cannot be part of something you are criticizing, that is called hypocrisy.

It all boils down to relevant knowledge and necessary skills combined with a very high level of professional integrity.

I have written cheques sometimes running into hundreds of thousands of naira to clients as a way of refunds for projects even over 80% for reasons ranging from unlimited scope growth to insults which I always remind my clients that the money paid for projects is strictly for the projects and does not give anyone the right to insult a service provider.

I have noticed that some clients talk down on developers especially when they have been short changed in the past and they carry this along and pass it on to the next developer they come across.

I always make it clear that what I owe my clients is to deliver on any projects based on the terms of reference and promises made. Friendship is completely optional and as a professional I believe that services rendered must be paid for even though sometimes I elect to do complete refunds so that I don't have any form of distractions whatsoever even though I always make it clear that none is entitled to any refunds as I never default on any project I handle, it's just that one must stick to a high level of professional integrity at all times.

I have had to turn down projects (alternative energy anyway) running into hundreds of millions of naira and in one extreme case billions based on principles and integrity.

It's your choice how you relate with people or how you make money.

I believe any intellectually inclined business is the way to go for the young and hardworking ones because there is always a shortage of people that can do these jobs and you cannot be scared of someone with lots of money running you out of business as programming is not a capital intensive business so no need to fear the likes of Dangote getting into the business at all.

yawa-ti-de:
I personally would rather stay the whole year and do 1 or 2 sites at 300K than do 100 sites at 50K.  Why? because I have noticed that those who pay low are the ones who give you the most trouble.  In fact, I spent the first 7 months of this year with not a single job.  Now, I am overwhelmed.    When you charge more and better yet, can justify why you charge that high, you start to notice that the way they look at you changes.  In fact, they yield to you with respect to your judgment because they know you know what you are doing. 

Bottomline, steadily build your portfolio, and be true to yourself.  If it means staying the whole year not doing a single site, so be it.  Sprinkle your self-confidence and self-worth with  help from God, and the sky is the limit.

Some clients laugh when I tell them that I would rather watch Tom and Jerry than do a site for N100,000.00 based on the features and functionality needed if the price should be around N500,000.00. It is better to do 10 projects for say N400,000.00 each than for you to do 1000 projects for say N20,000.00.

Another important issue here is the terms of payment. I have found out that projects with 100% down payments are the best because the client will only be interested in you being able to deliver on promises made. When they need new features they understand that there will be cost implications.

On the other hand when you collect advance payment chances are that clients will always ask for more and because you still have your money pending probably until the completion of the project unnecessary disagreements come up and in most cases either or both parties will feel shortchanged.

So, get 100% payment for your projects. Some will say it is not possible for companies to pay 100% down payment but trust me if they believe you can do the job they will willingly pay you the 100% requested.

This is why it is important for you to have previous jobs you can point them to. Even if you do not have clients develop pet projects that will help you learn more and try out features that you like. Someone may be looking for an application that is just like your pet project. It has happened to me before.

webguru:
Af m, hv u been pd that amt before

i remember such figures when i first came to nland, alas they were just formed up figures
it took time to learn that u don't blieve wot people post
d ones posting 500k, charge 20k

N400,000.00 for a web application is not much in the real sense especially when you spend anything more than a week to get the job done because if you divide that amount by the number of days spent you will get to see that it is not much.

That said, I agree that many people lie on public forums and make claims that cannot be substantiated. That was part of the reasons why I made it clear I was done with the Webmasters section of this forum. I cannot stand lies and fake claims.

Yes, I have been paid over that amount on several occasions and if you can solve problems using programming as a tool you too can make much more than that.

The companies don't pay you for the service you are rendering but for the value of that service, think in that direction and you will understand why a company will pay millions to get jobs done well even when others can quote 5% of the amount for the same job.

Why do we like running things down in this country?

Why do we display a high level of disdain for any positive thing that comes out of Nigeria especially from Nigerians living outside Nigeria?

Thank God for the likes of debosky that have taken time to educate the likes of kobojunkie that keep feeding people with halt truths and lies based on lack of understanding of issues he looks up on the internet.

What Kaduna state is doing or planning to do is a welcome development.

Years ago when we started building inverters and installing same for home and office uses people generally stated it was not cost effective yet today individuals and companies are doing all they can to get reliable inverter backup systems as they remain cost effective when compared to generators.

Any alternative to crude oil based fuel makes sense at this point in time when we have instability in the Niger Delta. The idea of blowing up pipelines and flow stations and hoping that no one will use crude oil will become history if Nigerians can generate their own fuels even in their backyards from sources other than crude oil.

If not that the state of power supply is enough to guarantee me power backup for up to 1 week I would have turned to solar and disconnected any PHCN wires and I am quite sure that these same enemies of progress will look for any article no matter how wrong to counter that solar energy is even more dangerous than WMDs.

I really do not know if some of us suffer from intellectual stubbornness, ignorance, crass stupidity or a combination of all these things.

The same hand that will type that Nigerians are not productive will also type words that will rubbish any positive developments by Nigerians.

What manner of human beings are we?

Mpele:
Most West Africans especially Nigerians don't respect other people, instead when they're in a country they behave as if they belong to that country, thats why where ever they are people are always complaining about them. This is now affecting the whole region of West Africa. When we look at Nigerians, Liberians and all their neighbours we see the same people.

West Africans must learn to behave, but I'm not condoning what happened to those poor guys. Why don't these people leave Europeans alone. I've said it before in this forum that, some people will jealously guard their own countries and even go to an extent of killing. Example, Australians, most Europeans and xenophobic South Africans.

It seems this mpele guy is simply jealous of Nigerians as he cannot even hide the envy when talking about them.

Fortunately for people like him the internet offers a good opportunity for them to hide and insult or display their hatred towards a people.