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OBJ is stating the obvious so why all the negativity?

Even developed nations are bracing up for hard times ahead so what is bad about his frank comments.

Anyone that believes that OBJ did not improve on the nation's economy in 8 years is a joker.

Unless fraudsters are the ones complaining because EFCC under Ridabu messed up their businesses.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090107/tuk-israel-studies-gaza-ceasefire-plan-6323e80.html

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Israel studies Gaza ceasefire plan
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Israel will study plans put forward by France and Egypt for a ceasefire in Gaza, President Shimon Peres has said. Skip related content

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He said the country wanted peace but asserted that it was defending itself against "terrorists". The death toll has topped 600 since the start of Israel's offensive last month.

Mr Peres told Sky News that Israel would study the suggestions for a resolution to the crisis over the coming days. He said: "We have now the general idea. We have to look to the details because unfortunately it depends how it is going to be organised. Paper alone cannot change the situation."

The Franco-Egyptian plan involving talks between Israel and the Palestinians to discuss ways to resolve the conflict and provide guarantees to ensure fighting does not resume came as Foreign Secretary David Miliband renewed UK calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza as he spoke of the "horror" afflicting its population.

Addressing a session of the United Nations Security Council in New York, he also called for an end to arms trafficking into the territory and the opening of border crossings to allow in humanitarian help.

Mr Miliband said Gaza was facing "the horror of war piled on months of deprivation". He was speaking after confirmation that more than 30 Palestinian civilians died when an Israeli shell hit a UN-run school in Gaza.

Mr Miliband told UN delegates: "The scale of suffering is immense. The need for humanitarian supplies is urgent. We need now to use our discussions over the next 24 hours to be clear in our principles and practicability in our concentration to reinforce these efforts.

"Our starting point must be the goals of an immediate ceasefire, an end to arms trafficking and opening of the crossings. But we also have the responsibility to keep alive the vision of a peaceful Middle East in which Palestinians have the dignity of statehood and Israelis have recognition and security from their neighbour.

"That is the responsibility of this council today, that is our task today and these are the responsibilities the UK wants to help resolve."

Meanwhile, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg demanded an immediate suspension of British and EU arms exports to Israel. Mr Clegg accused Gordon Brown of "sitting on his hands" during the current conflict in Gaza and called on the Prime Minister to "unambiguously condemn" Israel's conduct of its offensive against the Hamas movement which controls the territory.
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Israel today is providing the perfect ground to breed the so called terrorists that I see as freedom fighters.

Israel will end up making Hamas a movement worthy of support.

Israel is actually preparing the way for a major hate induced relations from the rest of the sane world.

olanajim:
@chichris,
Isreal had tried to stop rockets attack before. They have even occupied the land for years. Did it stop the attack? It will a sheer delusion for Isreal to think it can stop the resistance without vacating the occupied land. There appeared to be increasing diversion from the real issue. The Palestinians want Isreal to leave their land, but Isreal want to stay and then negotiate. That is absurd.

I think the UN is to blame for placing arm embargo on Palestine. With force for force, fire for fire, Isreal will not have free incussion into palestinian land in the name of stopping rocket attack, it would have opted for diplomacy.

Isreal is making heroes out of Hamas. I don't imagine how exterminating Hamas will give Isreal the peace they have never enjoyed.

The content in bold refers, I completely agree that once Palestine achieves statehood this Israeli unwarranted killing of innocent people would stop. Army for Army, gun for gun, there is no easy way out and countries usually do all they can to avoid wars.

As for the person you were addressing in your post (chidichris) I take it that you are just meeting him for the first time otherwise you would have realized that you are dealing with one of the most ignorant users of this forum. He is not organized upstairs and manufactures issues from no where and use them to put down nonsense.

It will be in your interest to ignore the guy otherwise you do get headache over nothing.

anengiyefa:
So what is your point? Is it not Hamas who have rejected the proposed peace-process articulated at Annapolis in 2007 which has been accepted in principle by all the other parties? We're talking about Hamas, Gaza and Isreal, you come and start telling us about Niger Delta. Where is the connection? As I understand it, one of the rules for posting comments is that you must stick to the topic being discussed.

Since you cannot see the connection then it means you cannot understand my point. So, focus on other posts as I would not waste time trying to explain things until you begin to understand them.

anengiyefa:
RichyBLacK said ", why collectively punish the entire Gaza population because of rockets being fired by a small fraction of extremists?, "

Hamas are not a "small fraction of extremists". They are the de facto authority of Gaza and formed a supposed government after the last Palestinian election. The people of Gaza voted for Hamas and provided them support, sending women and children to act as human shields. Hamas has enjoyed the support of the Gaza people for years and Hamas militants have been firing rockets at Israel consistently out of civilian areas in Gaza, since after the last ceasefire was breached, (also by Hamas). The Israeli state has a duty to protect her citizens.

It is not the fault of the IDF that Hamas leaders thought it was strategic to position their arsenals within Gaza's civilian areas. How mistaken the Hamas leaders were, and how unfortunate for Gaza civilians! But here is the price to be paid for being unreasonable and unwilling to accept compromise in today's world. Let this serve as a lesson to others who refuse to accept peace.

Wonderful, so finally it is Hamas and the Palectinians that don't want peace? Interesting.

The good thing is that somehow what goes around comes around.

I know a great deal of people that enjoyed peace in the Niger Delta while supporting killing of innocent people elsewhere in the Middle east and before you could say Jack kidnapping and crime became the order of the day.

Some have relocated, some lost properties while other lost relations or friends. Many of them have been humbled by these experiences that they never imagined could come near them.

Be careful what you support in life because you never can tell. Arabs today, e fit be ya own ppl tomorrow, who knows?

otokx:
this is propaganda and misinformation, using the same picture and news to report different events that never happened.

Even when Israeli defense officials say so?

Why now? Are they now realizing that what they did to Ribadu was wrong especially the IG asking him to proceed to Kuru?

This country is full of actors and actresses and unfortunately some of them are in the Senate instead of Nollywood.

Flancey:
The south east does not have one voice politically.

Name one zone with one voice politically in Nigeria.

The South West did not even support OBJ in 1999 and yet he won an election.

Even Yar'adua's election was challenged all the way to the supreme court by 2 Northerners (Atiku & Buhari) with Buhari even coming from the same state with Yar'adua.

Sometimes, it seems we repeat what we may have been hearing without understanding the correctness or otherwise. Think before putting things down.

RichyBlacK:
This is the problem with allowing "arts and commercial" students to interpret empirical results based on systematic data collation and statistical techniques - many of them just don't get it!

GBAM!

From my inbox, enjoy

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My Expulsion From Israel
By Richard Falk

On December 14, I arrived at Ben Gurion airport in Tel
Aviv, Israel to carry out my UN role as special rapporteur
on the Palestinian territories.

I was leading a mission that had intended to visit the West
Bank and Gaza to prepare a report on Israel's compliance
with human rights standards and international humanitarian
law. Meetings had been scheduled on an hourly basis during
the six days, starting with Mahmoud Abbas, the president
of the Palestinian Authority, the following day.

I knew that there might be problems at the airport. Israel
had strongly opposed my appointment a few months earlier
and its foreign ministry had issued a statement that it
would bar my entry if I came to Israel in my capacity as
a UN representative.

At the same time, I would not have made the long journey
from California, where I live, had I not been reasonably
optimistic about my chances of getting in. Israel was
informed that I would lead the mission and given a copy
of my itinerary, and issued visas to the two people
assisting me: a staff security person and an assistant,
both of whom work at the office of the high commissioner
of human rights in Geneva.

To avoid an incident at the airport, Israel could have
either refused to grant visas or communicated to the UN
that I would not be allowed to enter, but neither step
was taken. It seemed that Israel wanted to teach me, and
more significantly, the UN a lesson: there will be no
cooperation with those who make strong criticisms of
Israel's occupation policy.

After being denied entry, I was put in a holding room
with about 20 others experiencing entry problems. At
this point, I was treated not as a UN representative,
but as some sort of security threat, subjected to an
inch-by-inch body search and the most meticulous luggage
inspection I have ever witnessed.


I was separated from my two UN companions who were allowed
to enter Israel and taken to the airport detention facility
a mile or so away. I was required to put all my bags and
cell phone in a room and taken to a locked tiny room that
smelled of urine and filth. It contained five other
detainees and was an unwelcome invitation to claustro-
phobia. I spent the next 15 hours so confined, which
amounted to a cram course on the miseries of prison life,
including dirty sheets, inedible food and lights that were
too bright or darkness controlled from the guard office.

Of course, my disappointment and harsh confinement were
trivial matters, not by themselves worthy of notice, given
the sorts of serious hardships that millions around the
world daily endure. Their importance is largely symbolic.
I am an individual who had done nothing wrong beyond
express strong disapproval of policies of a sovereign
state. More importantly, the obvious intention was to
humble me as a UN representative and thereby send a
message of defiance to the United Nations.

Israel had all along accused me of bias and of making
inflammatory charges relating to the occupation of
Palestinian territories. I deny that I am biased, but
rather insist that I have tried to be truthful in
assessing the facts and relevant law. It is the character
of the occupation that gives rise to sharp criticism of
Israel's approach, especially its harsh blockade of Gaza,
resulting in the collective punishment of the 1.5 million
inhabitants. By attacking the observer rather than what
is observed, Israel plays a clever mind game. It directs
attention away from the realities of the occupation,
practising effectively a politics of distraction.

The blockade of Gaza serves no legitimate Israeli
function. It is supposedly imposed in retaliation for
some Hamas and Islamic Jihad rockets that have been fired
across the border at the Israeli town of Sderot. The
wrongfulness of firing such rockets is unquestionable,
yet this in no way justifies indiscriminate Israeli
retaliation against the entire civilian population of
Gaza.

The purpose of my reports is to document on behalf of the
UN the urgency of the situation in Gaza and elsewhere in
occupied Palestine. Such work is particularly important
now as there are signs of a renewed escalation of violence
and even of a threatened Israeli reoccupation.

Before such a catastrophe happens, it is important to
make the situation as transparent as possible, and that
is what I had hoped to do in carrying out my mission.
Although denied entry, my effort will continue to use
all available means to document the realities of the
Israeli occupation as truthfully as possible.

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Richard Falk is professor of international law at Princeton
University and the UN's special reporter on the Palestinian
territories. Richard Falk is also Jewish.
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Hmmm, this same david claimed his surname was Adenuga so where is the Adenuga in this revelation?

Or, is this david a scammer since even on this forum he uses multiple usernames. I wonder how many decent people would register multiple usernames on a discussion forum to confuse people.

blezzing:
to gbekumoyan , yes it is possible ,you can charge it with generator.but becarefu notto overcharge.

Who should be careful not to overcharge? The owner of the inverter, the generator or the inverter that should ordinarily come with an inbuilt charge controller to prevent overcharging of batteries?

Bastage:
LOL. No you dipshit. Instead of making precision strikes, Israel would literally flatten Gaza to neutralise any threat. They would also be able to legally declare war and totally sidetrack the UN.
To say the Palestinians would be militarily stronger if they were a nation is the delusional ravings of a cretin.

Ignorance is a disease. When cursed people don't understand anything they foolishly expose themselves.

Facts

1. I never stated that Palestine would be militarily stronger. Israel cannot attack Iran even with all the calls for wiping Israel off the map by the Iranian president. US cannot attack Russia and the reason is not primarily due to population. There are benefits of people becoming countries. A full army is not the same as any militancy or insurgency.

2. Israel or any country for that matter cannot just flatten another country when that country can negotiate arms deals with other nations. When it comes to wars technology, arms, intelligence etc all come into play and today even countries that do not have theirs easily leverage on what their allies and friends have.

Cameroun was able to get Bakassi primarily because it had the support of France with Britain indifferent, not because Cameroun would defeat Nigeria in any war assuming Nigeria chose to fight for the Peninsula. (Are you kidding me? Do I really expect this clown to understand what I just put down?)

While I understand that the basic tactic of any confused person is to divert attention to non existent claims and lies I would certainly not allow this dog get away with such.

Stick to facts, logic and common sense if you must get involved in any topic.

dayokanu:
@Afam,

This has always been my point. hamas launching rockets intends to kill people and they actually do. What does Israel do in such situation?

Let both sides go to a full scale war with a media blackout and check the results in 2 weeks.
The same Israel that is bringing in supplies into Gaza.

The content in bold refers, both sides going into a full scale war will amount to a scenario where a full army with all the benefits of having a country that can negotiate arms deals with other countries will be waging war against a resistance that is not a full army, does not have the power to negotiate arms deals like other countries and so will only rely on smuggled arms which will never be enough.

So my friend, it seems you do not understand the politics behind preventing the people of Palestine from achieving statehood. Once Palestine becomes a nation then things will change. Israel would not roll tanks into Palestine anytime home made rockets are sent into Israel.

As to your question on what Israel should do it is very simple, return all the lands that were seized. You cannot hold on to my property and still dictate the terms of settlement.

And for every single innocent person killed in this latest offensive more and more people will have sympathy for Hamas and this will make things worse for Israel.

Already neighboring countries are condemning the attacks including the UN but it seems that the clueless Bush who by the way loves shedding innocent blood is ok with the bloodshed.

bawomolo:
i doubt u would be this nice if the country in question was Israel or the US

Haba. After all the clueless and war monger Bush was elected (read rigged) into office twice!!!!!!!!!!!

Benjamin Netenyanhu's brother was killed while working as a mercenary at the 90 minutes at Entebbe attack. I believe he was the only casualty and yet his brother was elected PM in Israel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081230/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

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Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets


By IBRAHIM BARZAK and JASON KEYSER, Associated Press Writers Ibrahim Barzak And Jason Keyser, Associated Press Writers – Mon Dec 29, 10:24 pm ET
Rocket kills Israeli Play Video Reuters  – Rocket kills Israeli

    * Israel launches air strikes on Gaza Slideshow: Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
    * Gaza's hospitals "overwhelmed" Play Video Video: Gaza's hospitals "overwhelmed" Reuters
    * Israel says Gaza assault 'war to the bitter end' Play Video Video: Israel says Gaza assault 'war to the bitter end' AP

Palestinians carry a wounded man after an Israeli missile strike hit the home of AP – Palestinians carry a wounded man after an Israeli missile strike hit the home of a Hamas member in Beit …

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Palestinian militants sent a deadly barrage of missiles flying deep into Israel on Monday, demonstrating that Hamas still had firepower three days into Israel's punishing air offensive in Gaza.

Four Israelis, including a soldier, were killed and eight wounded. Palestinian health officials put the three-day death toll in Gaza at 364; the U.N. said the total included at least 62 civilians.

In Monday's attacks, Israel focused its bombing on the houses of Hamas field operatives in a campaign meant to tear at the roots of the extremist group ruling Gaza. Israel's defense minister promised a "war to the bitter end against Hamas" and allied militants.

Early Tuesday, Israeli aircraft dropped at least 16 bombs on five Hamas government buildings in a Gaza City complex, destroying them, setting fires and sending rubble flying for hundreds of yards, witnesses said. Rescue workers said 40 people were injured.

Intensified rocket strikes by Gaza militants, which triggered the Israeli offensive, have revealed the expanding range of missiles that are making larger cities farther inside Israel vulnerable.

In a barrage Monday night, a missile crashed into a bus stop in Ashdod, 23 miles from the Gaza Strip. A woman died and two others were wounded, one seriously — the first casualties in the city of 190,000 residents.

The military said an Israeli soldier was killed later in a mortar strike, the first soldier to be killed in the conflict. Five others were wounded, one seriously, according to a military statement.

Earlier Monday, an Israeli was killed and one seriously wounded by a rocket strike in the Negev desert community of Nahal Oz, closer to the Gaza border. A rocket also killed an Israeli construction worker in the city of Ashkelon. In all, five Israelis have been killed since the Gaza offensive began Saturday, bringing to 19 the number killed in rocket attacks from Gaza this year.

Early Tuesday, Hamas released a statement saying its squads had fired 43 homemade rockets, 17 longer-range Grads and six mortar shells at Israel. Other militant groups also fired rockets at Israel.

The targets chosen by Israel on Monday pointed to an intention to chip away at Hamas' foundation. Israeli aircraft staged five separate strikes on the houses of field operatives, though there was no confirmation that any of them were killed.

A grainy video taken by an Israeli drone airplane showed several men loading a pickup truck with what the Israeli military said were medium-range Grad rockets. Moments later, a big explosion from an Israeli missile strike envelops the image.

One Israeli attack targeted a house in the Jebaliya refugee camp, killing seven people, but the Hamas activist was not there, Hamas security and relatives said. Another hit the Jebaliya home of Abdel-Karim Jaber, a Hamas political figure who is a senior administrator at Gaza's Islamic University. He was not at home and it wasn't immediately clear if anyone was hurt in the strike.

In another air assault, an Islamic Jihad commander was killed as he was walking near his house, said Abu Hamza, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad's military wing.

Israel's airstrikes on more than 325 sites since midday Saturday reduced dozens of buildings to rubble, overwhelmed hospitals with wounded and filled Gaza's deserted streets with smoke and fire. The military said Israeli naval vessels had also bombarded targets from the sea.

On Monday, aircraft pulverized a house next to the home of Hamas Premier Ismail Haniyeh, a security compound and a five-story building at a university closely linked to the Islamic group — all symbols of Hamas strength in the coastal territory it has ruled since June 2007.

Israel's offensive has rattled the Middle East and capitals around the world, triggering street protests and fiery speeches by adversaries of Israel like the militant group Hezbollah in Lebanon. In the day's biggest outpouring of anger, tens of thousands of Hezbollah's supporters stood in a pouring rain in a Beirut square to condemn Israel.

Stone-throwing clashes broke out in about a half-dozen spots in the Palestinians' West Bank territory as well as in several Arab-populated areas inside Israel. Israeli police and soldiers fired rubber bullets and tear gas at rioting youths, but it did not appear anyone was injured.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned Israel's offensive as excessive and demanded an immediate cease-fire. He said key international and regional players — including foreign ministers of the Arab League nations holding an emergency meeting Wednesday — must "act swiftly and decisively to bring an early end to this impasse."

The U.S. government said it was "vigorously engaged" in trying to restore a cease-fire.

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe defended the Israeli response, but added that the Bush administration was urging Israel to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza.

With Israeli troops and tanks massing on the Gaza border, Defense Minister Ehud Barak told parliament he wanted to strike a devastating blow against Hamas. However, later he indicated a ground assault was not inevitable, issuing a warning that he was giving Hamas a last chance to halt its rocket fire.

Speaking in Hebrew, Barak told the lawmakers: "We have a war to the bitter end against Hamas, and the home front, which has turned into a battlefront, will continue to be a source of strength for the Israeli military." Some news organizations translated the start of the quote as saying "an all-out war on Hamas."

Short of reoccupying Gaza, however, it was unlikely any amount of Israeli firepower could completely snuff out militant rocket attacks. Past operations all failed to do so.

The Cabinet's decision over the weekend to call up 6,500 reserve soldiers could be a pressure tactic. Military experts noted no full combat units had been mobilized and said Israel would need at least 10,000 soldiers for a full-scale invasion.

For the first time, Israel also hit one of a series of tunnels prepared by Hamas along the border with Israel for use in attacks on invading ground troops, several Israeli TV networks said. One tunnel was packed with explosives and several militants inside were killed, Channel 1 said.

Most of those killed in three days of airstrikes were Hamas members. A Hamas police spokesman, Ehab Ghussen, said 180 members of Hamas security forces were among the dead.

But the U.N. agency in charge of Palestinian refugees expressed concern about civilian casualties. A rise in civilian casualties could intensify international pressure on Israel to end the offensive.

In New York, U.N. humanitarian chief John Holmes said his agency had not been able to determine a precise number of civilian casualties, but knew of at least 62 women and children killed. He said 1,400 people had been injured.

Eight children under the age of 17 were killed in two separate Israeli airstrikes Sunday night, Palestinian medics said.

Holmes said he was very worried about a shortage of humanitarian supplies in Gaza.

"Because of the effective blockade that's been in place for many months now, and because of the increasing tightening of this blockade in recent weeks around Gaza, stocks of vital items are either very low or nonexistent, and that's particularly the case, for example, with wheat flour," he said.

Israel opened one of Gaza's border crossings Monday to allow several ambulances and 62 trucks carrying medical supplies and food to cross.

"Obviously these supplies are better than nothing, but they remain wholly inadequate," Holmes said, saying that his agency needed 100 truckloads of flour every day to meet needs.

In Gaza, some families left their apartments next to institutions linked to Hamas, fearing they could be targeted. Suad Abu Wadi, 42, kept her six children close to her on mattresses in her Gaza City living room. Her husband sat with them, chain-smoking. Abu Wadi said he had not said a word since seeing their neighbor carrying the body of his child, killed in an airstrike Saturday.

Gaza's nine hospitals were overwhelmed. Dr. Moaiya Hassanain, who keeps a record for the Gaza Health Ministry, said 364 Palestinians had died and more than 1,400 wounded. Some of the injured were being taken to private clinics and even homes, he said.

Egyptian officials said ambulances were ferrying wounded Gazans to hospitals in Egypt from Gaza's Rafah border crossing. Tariq al-Mahlawi, Egypt's deputy health minister, said 32 patients had been brought in by nightfall and that 500 beds were ready to treat Palestinians.

Around mid-afternoon, ambulances ferried the wounded from Gaza toward the crossing in the border town of Rafah, where over a dozen Egyptian ambulances waited to take over the casualties.

Despite Israel's battering attacks, sirens warning of incoming rockets sent Israelis scrambling for cover throughout the day as more than 40 rockets and mortar rounds rained down.

Israeli security officials warned that the militants' rockets are powerful enough now to reach Beersheba, a major city 30 miles from Gaza.

Mazal Ivgi, a 62-year-old resident of Beersheba, said she had prepared a bomb shelter. "In the meantime we don't really believe it's going to happen, but when the first boom comes people will be worried," she said.

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Associated Press writers Aron Heller in Ashkelon, Jason Keyser in Jerusalem, Edith M. Lederer in New York, Deb Riechmann in Crawford, Texas, and Omar Sinan in Rafah, Egypt, contributed to this report.
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The content in bold is interesting. UN condemns the offensive as excessive while the US defends the same excessive bombing.

RichyBlacK:
Afam,

I'm very surprised that Davidylan, of all people, will accuse me of plagiarism. What is in political commentary that is difficult to write? I routinely write articles that require much more intellectual stamina than short commentaries on NL.

The poster "Fed Up" massively plagiarized me on http://www.discoverdvforum.com/when-will-israel-ever-be-recognized-as-the-apartheid-state-it-is-t313971/. The proof is on the time stamps. I made my posts on Dec 25 and his.her post were made a day later. Even if you look at the sentence construction, grammatical style, punctuation style, even the use of multiple colors, etc., it is apparent that it was an original post from RichyBlack.

I am shocked that you are just realizing what these guys are capable of. They come to the table with very stiff mindsets and unless every single discussion is in agreement with the mindsets they have you will be called names and till tomorrow attempts would be made to divert attention from the core issues to other things because when it comes to reason, logic and common sense you will never find the likes of davidylan, TayoD and the late entrant that calls himself Bastage.

4Play on the other hand finds it difficult to resist the urge to side with bad policies and unwarranted killing of innocent people as long as Israel, US or UK is responsible for the killing. Our differences apart, I rate him higher than any of the other morons even though he uses multiple IDs on this forum just like the criminals davidylan and TayoD.

On the issue of the allegation on plagiarism you should understand that some of these people don't really have lives outside this forum. So, anything you put down and is reproduced elsewhere the conclusion would readily be that you plagiarized someone somewhere.

I have written articles that have been reproduced on websites belonging to companies from different parts of the world including very visible technology related companies.

I never get bothered by the one liners or loads of nonsense some of them put down here while thinking that they are making sense because a referee no fit officiate football match pass as hin sabi reach.

My advice, do not waste time on these clowns, it is a good thing that you have provided proof that any objective person would associate with.

But considering the fact that these guys have been wrong on almost all the positions they have ever held on this forum when it comes to the Middle East, Israel, Palestine, even the US I doubt if anything different would be expected as they say: He that is down need fear no fall, these guys have been down and out a long time ago so you see that they have nothing to lose by trying to create doubt in the minds of people who may have not realized their true colors.

stanech:
And Yaradua\Waziri are fighting the corruption better now because,

1. We now have stable power suply because he has released money to finish plants built by Obj's administration and build additional ones

2. Ferma that Obj used to loot the 300 billion naira are now functioning better.

3. yaradua the product of the poll is he not the best candidate the north have to offer then?

4. bode George stole much more money than Ibori&co that are Yaradua's right hand man.

5. And since the recall of the sales of these companies they are now providing better services.

What you have against Obj is sentimental my guy. Obj may have been selective in his fight against corruption but I doubt if we can have a better fighter.

Abeg, helep me tell am well well.

It is funny to note that those who kept shouting selective anti corruption fight are silent now or support the present style where only politicians that were close to OBJ are being investigated by EFCC even when the likes of Ibori, Kalu etc call the shots in Nigeria today.

dayokanu:
You are bothered about the west not recognising Hamas but what about vowing to wipe out Israel? That is Okay by you I guess.

No, I am worried about the hypocrisy and double standards of the West. They promise to export democracy to the Middle East and yet a free and fair election that brought Hamas to power is being rejected because stooges did not get to win the elections.

dayokanu:
Who decides the ratio of lifes to take as a propertionate response. If you attack me first I might adopt the ratio of 1:1billion. Its at my discretion. Kill my brother so I would tell you to bring your brother for me to kill? Rape my sister and I would tell you to bring your sister for me to rape?
You must be kidding!!!

I hear you loud and clear. I am sure people like you would have been condemning the Odi massacre. If positive then that is another hypocrisy at play.

dayokanu:
If you strike me with home made rockets then I have a justification to reply with anything in my capacity.

Home made rockets are being used today because Palestine has not been granted statehood so they cannot deal on arms at the international level. For now the so called militants have to settle for smuggling of arms to survive.

The West and Israel knows too well that once a 2 state solution materializes Israel will not roll in tanks into Palestinian lands at will. This is a fact. A fact that will not make the US insult or harass countries like India or even Pakistan.

JJYOU:
all the apologists for hamas wont answer you

So, people that do not expressly agree with your views no matter how warped are apologists? It is a shame that people like you are allowed to use discussion forums.

@4Play,

I have read your responses. Many thanks but you must realize that your submissions are still far from being objective and sincere. It is obvious from your posts where you support regardless of the correctness or otherwise.

In any case, let us all hope that the coming year will usher in hope, peace and love for one another as it makes no sense to be wasting innocent lives every now and then.

Let us also remember that Arabs were not responsible for the holocaust but Europeans especially Germans so it does not make any sense for Israel to be seeing those that allowed them to settle down in the middle east as enemies. Israel could have been resettled in Africa if that plan had worked so let us not be informed that Israel had lived in the present day Israel from day 1.

dayokanu:
@Afam,
Who started this offensive? Obviously militants from Gaza and Nobody in Palestine deemed it fit to control or stop them.

Israel is still occupying lands belonging to the people of Palestine. Cease fires that fail to address the core issues raised even by a legitimate (democratically elected Hamas government that the West and Israel have refused to recognize) government don't mean anything.

we must learn to empathize my friend, that is the only you will see things objectively.

dayokanu:
please No one should mention disproportionate response here

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

How you take know? Of course, we cannot conclude or discuss the problems between Israel and Palestine without talking about disproportionate response. Unless you believe that 1 Israeli life is worth 2000 Palestinian lives, is that it?

Compliments of the season. Let us hope that this Christmas period will help us begin to look at the problems in the Middle East with objectivity, fairness and fear of God.

There is no justification for the killing of any innocent person whether the killer is militant, suicide bomber, Israeli government with the usual disproportionate response.

mikeansy:
You have shown time and time again, an inability to stay on point and be concise. Always all over the place in your political discuss.

I don't know what other news you want to hear nothing is more true than the decision of a court proceedings. This news broke out as a result conviction on rep jefferson.

If you want to wait for the The Sun, Tribune, Independent, Leadership and etc to spin the truth upside down before you form your opinion that is your choice. But any grown up adult will tell you the deference between a Court verdict and the opinion of a news editor.

I thought I was the only person that noticed this over 2 years ago. Na wah for nairaland.

Afam:
Same picture on profile, no comments.

You blind?

Afam:
Same picture on profile, no comments.

Read well.

Same picture on profile, no comments.

@TayoD,

It seems like since all your positions have crumbled on this forum you have nothing else to put down.

From now on I will not respond to your post until you remove that ape you posted as your picture on your profile. I need to be certain I am dealing with a human being please.

Did you use black polish on your body abi na so dem born you?

@RichyBlack,

The likes of TayoD, davidylan etc will do anything to avoid the real issues raised. They will create diversions and hope that you focus on them.

Even this sad development is being covered up by this clown davidylan?

God help us.

It is really disturbing to note that a normal human being would maintain that there are no sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe. It seems monkeys have been given access to this forum.

Tayo-D:
@Afam,
I have always known that you are a dolt, and you keep proving you can't recover from such stupiduty, ever.  While I know that english is your second language, the fact that you supposedly hold a Bachelor's degree from a Nigerian University makes us presume you should at least be able to communicate in english.

Let me school you a little bit by reproducing your statement again: "Well, it take an slowpoke to know one so I will conclude that you come from a family full of imbiciles." (By the way, that should be takes and not take). Do you notice that the later phrase of your statement is dependent on the former? Based on your premise that it takes an slowpoke to know one, you concluded that someone was an slowpoke, thereby implicating yourself as one.  You are such an embarassment to the Nigerian educational system. Where did you go to school sef? I won't be surprised if you bought that certificate you bandy around. Olodo, better revert to your native language if english is too much for you.

This is what happens when someone chooses to show the whole world that he is not only a scammer who uses multiple IDs but also an empty brain.

One simple question that will expose your stupidity once and for all.

Who called the other an slowpoke?

Very simple question, oya let's go. Just answer the question and you will realize why I maintain that you are indeed cursed.

Thanks for the correction even though you had to go through it many times (including reproducing it) without noticing the error, you are really smart I tell you.

landis:
sample:
No country allowed to sell PMS(Petrol) to Zim.

Let Nigeria sell crude-oil or PMS to Zim and see what USA would do to Naija.

The last company in Germany that was printing their money was FORCED to STOP by pressure from US/UK on Merkel.

Now you have it:

WEST would have all Zimbabwe people die just because of Mugabe!

@Landis,

God bless you real good.

Well, it is good you went that far to state the obvious, this guy Bastage has been trying to deceive people on this forum that there are indeed no sanctions.

Why some of us support wickedness is what I don't know.

Just as all the bad and wicked policies of the West are beginning to crumble one day this too will crumble.

@Bastage,

Luckily for you someone decided to put some of these sanctions in black and white. Let us see if you have anything to put down unless you will stick to your many lies and fabrication.

And take your own advice, stick to the issue at least for once without any lies (that is if you can).

landis:
The failure of Mugabe is failure of AFRICAN LEADERS.

And the monumental and catastrophic failure of Bush is a failure of WESTERN LEADERS abi?

Objectivity and fairness would do us a lot of good here.

Bastage
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Seems you have been hurt simply by being exposed as someone who goes around fabricating nonsense and expecting people to debate them.

I haven't twisted any facts.
I've stated that the West wasn't as complicit in the creation of the state of Israel as people like yourself would like others to believe. People who claim so are merely chirping age old ignorance. The fact is that the British were near enough in a state of war with the Jews over the creation. Tornadoz very kindly reinforced that fact when he pointed out the bombing campaign that the Jews were involved in. So I guess if you're accusing me of fabricating nonsense, you'd have to accuse Tornadoz too.

I've also pointed out that using the Balfour Declaration as an excuse is just ridiculous. It's lazy and ignorant. People have heard of it but never read it. They have no clue of either what it contains, when it was written, by whom, when or that it has only three paragraphs. Yet they're so gullible, they'll turn around and say that such a relatively insignificant piece of paper is responsible for the creation of Israel.

I would offer to debate you, but judging by what you've written here and elsewhere, it would just be a total waste of time - you just simply don't have the intelligence to debate.

The post above confirms my position on this Bastage guy. Completely clueless and argues blindly.

For starters, I have never discussed even remotely with this idiot anything concerning Israel, Palestine, Balfour Declaration etc.

So, why would someone that claims to be intelligent bring up a non issue and use same as a premise to write nonsense? Only a fool would do that and he just did.

@TayoD,

Your comment on the use of the word slowpoke clearly shows that you never understood what you read let alone understanding what you put down. Someone used the word, you supported the guy and I stated that it takes an slowpoke to know one. Your conclusion was out of this world, a conclusion based on lack of understanding and stupidity.

Well, coming from someone that uses multiple IDs on this forum to confuse people I am not surprised.

Bastage:
What sanctions!!! And how do they affect the general population of Zimbabwe?

Are they so "smart" that you can't even explain what they are?


All you've done is post the same thing again saying that sanctions hurt. But yet again you haven't explained what they are or how they hurt.

What sanctions? The type that mumus like you will never understand.

It's like talking to a complete idiot and expecting him to understand anthing.

Little wonder the quality of discussion on this forum is going down, even clowns now have access to computers.