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Patchesagain:
1. Citation needed for kilo class

Patchesagain:
So, we can see:

- Egypt is ordering the Manthatisi-Class Type 209
- The Manthatisi-Class is named after the SAS Manthatisi and is a sub-class of the Type 209/1400

FighterPilot:
[size=16]You killed them, I think we should now organise for their burial.[/size]

Patchesagain:
Just a reminder about the allegations made by Nigerians about SAN fleet readyness:

There have been reports critical of the SAN’s operational readiness levels.

Of course, there is no way that all its vessels can be fully operational at the same time – naval vessels, like aircraft, have complex mainte-nance schedules involving a variety of different levels of maintenance. And crews need training – a vessel undertaking training duties is not operationally deployable.

In the past readiness, was, if anything, worse. In the 1970s, the SAN had, on paper, a fleet of three submarines, two destroyers, four frigates and three ocean patrol ships (comprising two obsolete frigates and one obsolete ocean minesweeper).

In reality, there were never more than two submarines, one destroyer and three frigates in service (and often there were only two frigates operational). Of the nine strike craft that formed the backbone of the surface force in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, no more than six were ever in service at the same time.

Worldwide, an operational level of 50% – that is, half of the fleet is at sea or can put to sea for operational missions in a matter of days – is regarded as good for navies. Many navies do not achieve this level. Very, very few indeed exceed it. “

The SA Navy currently has two frigates available for operational contingencies,” he reports. “One frigate is deployed as part of the anti-piracy patrols in the Mozambique Channel whilst the other is scheduled to undertake an extensive west coast patrol with visits and exercises scheduled off Namibia, Angola, Nigeria and Senegal (where it will participate in the Sea Power for Africa Symposium [November 5 to 8, 2013]). A third frigate is available for training in Simon’s Town whilst the fourth is undergoing maintenance and repair. The SAS Amatola is due to conduct a refit which should commence early in the new year. The current frigate availability rate is as per the SA Navy ‘business plan’ and exceeds the international norm for operational availability.” As for the submarines, one is undergoing a major refit which will last until the middle of next year.

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http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/south-african-navy-mulls-future-requirements-as-fleet-remains-active-2013-10-04-1

Patchesagain:
No I am not

Your last citation said nothing about Harpoons

Post proper sources and we wont have to waste post after post

Anyway:

Status - On order
http://militaryedge.org/armaments/type-209/

Until delivered, SAN has the best Subs in Africa

(So good that Egypt ordered the class of submarine that was developed for SAN)

Game over

FighterPilot:
You are late because SA will be building her own four stealth OPVs in the near future.

Patchesagain:
The 20mm guns on the Drakensburg are manually operated.

This is fact, end of story.

patches689:
[size=20pt]YOUR SOURCE SAYS NOTHING ABOUT HARPOON MISSILES!!!

LIAR!![/size]

patches689:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/15/russia-offered-newzealand-military-hardware

http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/south-korea-submarine-import-and-export-behavior/

patches689:
You are particularly dense today

patches689:
Warrior class is the primary San patrol asset in the Mozambique channel

You argument has been destroyed with one sentence

EVarn:
Yeah,tenders as usual,tenders that would see neither contract nor implementation.
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Henry120:
We feel a great deal of pity for you South-Africans. Flying an obsolete Helicopter, your government cannot afford and has been roundly rejected!!



"Denel COO Jan Wessels outlined the company's thinking to IHS Jane's , saying the process is taking the form of a "two-pronged approach".

The first is focused on the "life extension of the existing Rooivalk Block 1F fleet, dealing with obsolescence and adding some functionalities". Denel, Armscor and the South African Air Force (SAAF) are working to "establish the breadth and depth of the upgrade" that should be undertaken.

While not yet confirmed, this has to include the replacement of old computers. It would also make sense to integrate the Denel Dynamics Mokopa semi-active laser (SAL)-guided missile, which was developed for the Rooivalk, but has not been acquired by the SAAF as yet."



Even IHS Janes confirms the Half-french obsolete Helicopter flies Old/ancient computers.

patches689:
I see that the SAN's foul swoop to aquire an entirely new Naval task force of 4 Frigates, 3 Sub's, 3 Frigate Sized OPV's and 3 IPV's (which can perform de-mining duties) in less than 20 years is causing allot of Nigerian tears.

patches689:
Rotor blades from a helicopter allways provide downwards thrust you jackass.

patches689:
So you completely avoided responding? You running away from comparing what the Nigerian navy has aquired in the same period of time??

Egyptian subs have no harpoons - AND ARE BASED ON OURS

Kilo is inferior to Type 209 - Russian diesel subs are notoriously bad

So much so that Korea and New Zealand turned down FREE ones from Russia

patches689:
That is a hind taking off

patches689:
The Egyptian Government has signed an agreement with Germany for the procurement of two Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft (HDW)-built SSK Manthatisi-class Type-209 submarines
http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsgermany-deliver-two-type-209-submarines-egypt

Manthatisi class is the class of Type 209 operated by the SAN named after the lead vessel - THE MANTHATISI
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/sskmanthatisi/


South African version of Type 209 is so impressive that even mighty Egypt wants them!!

FYI: No anti-ship missiles on them

patches689:
Augustus

Why are you avoiding the majority of the capabilities of the Rooivalk?

Rooivalk Specifications:

Thales TopOwl Helmets
- A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE).
- TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities).

Electronic Warfare
- Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS)
- incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system.
- The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation.
-radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement.
- laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats.
- the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges.

TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking)

- The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor
- Forward-looking infrared (FLIR)
- autotracker
- laser rangefinder
-laser designator.

Navigation
- Doppler radar velocity sensor
- Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system
- heading sensor unit and an air data unit.

Communication
- two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing
- one HF radio with frequency hopping
- secure voice and data channels
- and an IFF transponder.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/

[size=16pt]Now your job is simple:

1. Show which of these capabilities existed 30 years ago
2. Show which of these capabilities your Hind has. [/size]

patches689:
Manually operated 20mm and 12,7mm are of practically no use against jet fighters

patches689:
Your roland missiles are the mobile kind on the AMX chassis, no 8 missile reload - proven long ago

patches689:
Upgrade project started, you are telling lies about the project being delayed (as usual), SAAF has CRAM

patches689:
Shilka cannot shoot down a bomb without smart munitions

patches689:
Range of warrior class: 4000 miles

patches689:
Range of warrior class: 4000 miles
Type 056 OPV: 2000 miles

Fact

BWA-HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Henry120:
NAF Hind doing NOE!!!

The only evidence available is a Nigerian Hind doing a very low altitude flight course, none from the SAAF.



while you are at it, Point out the dust to show the Helicopter is lifting up?

patches689:
South African Navy, aquisitions in 29 years:

4 Frigates - Brand new, most advanced in Africa (sans the FREMM)
3 Subs - Brand new, most advanced in Africa
4 Frigate Sized OPV's - Brand new
3 IPV's - Brand new
1 Hydrographic vessel - brand new
1 Supply and Support Vessel - brand new, biggest ship built in Africa
1 Strike craft - Brand new
Dare to compare

jln115:
Dude you said at least one of your opvs will be towed to Nigeria, because the control room according to you wasn't/isn't completed yet.

patches689:
Judging by the hundreds of posts you nigerians have made about it

You care quite deeply about our Rooivalk

patches689:
That is a hind taking off

SAAF does NOE all the time

Again, look at the hind specifications - is NOE listed?

patches689:
Yeah yeah, its obsolecent because you say so - its not like they get overhauled and upgraded every 2-3 years or something

And no - the Type 209's dont have anti-ship missiles[b] AND ARE BASED ON OUR SUBMARINE[/b]

The Egyptian Government has signed an agreement with Germany for the procurement of two Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft (HDW)-built SSK Manthatisi-class Type-209 submarines
http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsgermany-deliver-two-type-209-submarines-egypt

Manthatisi class is the class of Type 209 operated by the SAN named after the lead vessel - THE MANTHATISI
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/sskmanthatisi/

You see!! Our submarines are so advanced even mighty egypt copies us!!

patches689:
No, that is a lightly armed supply ship

So again, well done on scaring off a supply vessel

Such an impressive achievement