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jln115:
Were was his verifications for the T80s, Super Tucano's, Bofors Archer, ect ect ect

Hey dude, stop dragging this froum back on old resolved issues as if your brain is bound from making progress in discussion.

T-80 tank I never claimed, nobody ever did. It was T-84 you dummy. Source was posted here many times from Ukraine, the tanks were photographed at the airport and the Ukrainian lawyer were complaining about the sale to Nigeria during their own war time of need.

Super Tucano go ask South African defenceweb why he published the story of the offer by NAF.

Bofors Archer I never claimed. You don`t even know the names of these weapons you are screaming about

It was Bofors FH-77B, and any claim I made about Bofors was backed up with website sources from respected Army Guide, if there is any error in it, go ask the author of Army Guide website so he can explain how he made his mistake.

Now stop repeating the same story over and over as if you entered accounting school brainless but admitted because you are white
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jln115:
Did Nigeria build the igirigi's engine?

Nobody ever claimed we did.

So, the claim by South Africans that Ikri is 100% South African, is what I challenge. Did SA build the Ikri engine? Answer us.

patches689:
Igiri is half american half south african

I have NOT see any South African content in Igirigi APC, Nigeria imported engine from North America
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patches689:
Ok, henry is being is usual dense self

It is irrelevant if the tucano was evaluated and dropped

Augustus said you WILL get one

You didnt

This proves our point

jln115:
You can say it as much as you want, but Agaugust said NAF WILL receive the Tucano's

It was not me that said Nigeria is buying Super Tucano, it was Nigeria`s Vice President and South African defenceweb magazine .

So how am I responsible for information that originates from credible sources? I think you need brain surgery from the way you think.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32881:nigeria-interested-in-buying-super-tucanos&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Now go call South African defenceweb a liar for spreading false information about NAF buying Tucano.

Mumu !
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patches689:
Weapons are not judged by sales

ikri is completely south african

Did South Africa build the engine?
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patches689:
ANd the US will block the ATAK

We just got American built Huey helicopters.....and the USA likes new president Buhari.

You are lost in transit man !

patches689:
Things you claimed you were getting

None of which you have

Get the point?

3 years ago, @Andrewza your SAN navy officer said South Africa is buying Gowind corvettes under project Biro, have you got them since 3 years?

pavri:
Turkey doesn't have an intention to extend the endurance, Since current inner fuel tanks keep Atak three hours on air without needing any air refueling. BTW, Turkey is producing 91 T-129 Atak helicopter for her own needs at present. If you consider 3 hours of endurance each, You are going to see that It is a strategic offensive forces Atak provides to Turkish Land Forces.

https://defense-update.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/t129batak725.jpg

In recce/strike modes, Turkish concept is not to sacrifice any million $ helicopter with approaching dangerous zone, especially If You have a serious enemy like Greece. If you approach into such close ranges, Your copter is going to be a nice target which can be shot down easily. Greece is like a paradise of surface to air missiles.

Contrary to this, Turkish attack helicopter concept is developed with relaying highly on sensor qualities, highly advanced automatic identification softwares on FLIR and millimetric wave radar project. Instead of stepping into dangerous zones controlled by enemy, Atak will detect/identify target with a range from 25km thanks to FLIR, 40km thanks to MMW radar.

You can read the type of targets in Turkish identified by 300T FLIR (Bus, Car, Human...etc).
https://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/cabatli53/hedeftepit-2.jpg


If the whether conditions block receiving serious electro-optic data, Then MMW radar with SAR mode will scan the 40km zone to identify a target. If It is a light armoured vehicle like APC or soldiers detected, Cirit missiles will be choosed to eliminate. If It is a main battle tank, It will be the line of Mizrak-L or IIr missiles. 20mm Gun is not choosed to penetrate/surpass enemy tank forces. As You also know that Tanks don't move without protection and attacking to a tank with 20mm gun is a madness for crew so The situation will be like above. Besides, Turkey is familiar with advantages of 20mm gathling gun since AH-1W Turkey operates have also similar system on it. It is the best selection against assymetric threats and light armoured soft targets.

https://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/data/10044/upfile/201111/20111103212953.jpg

Turkish Army knows the serious advantages of 20mm gun and actively using it against terrorists. 20mm gatling guns are more heat resistant than 30mm single barrel equivalents so Enemy can be surpassed more quickly.

An operation video of Turkish attack helicopters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLoJT6tDBuw

Nice information. Thanks a million.

It's almost certain Nigeria will buy a squadron or two of the T-129 ATAK.....Attacker !

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jln115:
I have posted 2 sources that state only the Rooivalk was able to preform a backflip when it came out, thus the Original Lynx's were not able to preform a backflip.

The bolded part is still your own personal opinion with no citation or source to prove it.

Show us proof with technical source saying that 1970s Lynx in that video was modified to do back flips.

Until then, you remain a big liar and fraudster, you will be ranked next to @Patches the glory thief
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lionel4power:
which African country will operate an aircraft carrier first? www.nairaland.com/2306245/which-african-country-buy-aircraft

People speculate Angola.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/why-does-one-of-the-worlds-smallest-navies-want-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-warships-86c03ec9b21a

Maybe we should speculate Algeria.

pavri:
I am not Nigerian. I am just talking about ongoing agenda and expressing my hopes regarding likely further cooperations.

The Turks will do well to extend the endurance of the T-129 from 3 hours to 5 hours with option of 4 drop tanks of fuel, so the helicopter in that recce/strike mode only has the cannon as offensive weapon. It can attack the target and call in air support, the cannon won't kill a tank, but also a tank wond run away out of sight so easily, unlike soft skin targets like personnel or cars. Most armoured vehicles cannot survive 20mm cannon shells from their roof top. The driver and occupants heads will be b.lasted.

jln115:
I already posted 2 citations

There is NO citation posted by you to prove that Lynx in the video was modified to do back flips and not the 1970s Lynx.

Do you think we are fools or toddlers here?

You posted NO source, so we are still waiting for your proof.

jln115:
Its modified because the Original lynx weren't able to do backflips!

Citation needed !
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jln115:
Nope its a modified Lynx not the original 1970s model!

Prove it, prove it, prove it ! Prove it is modified !
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jln115:
You were talking speed r3tard! secondly nowhere in your source does it state that it was able to do backflips!

complete aerobatics, fly, roll, spin, flips, upside down, back flips....source says complete aerobatics, you failed English in school

1970s, Lynx was first helicopter to fly upside down in the world
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jln115:
Sorry mate! nowhere in your source does it state that the 1970 Lynx's were able to do backflips!

This is a 1970s Lynx doing back flips


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOpnujmm7Y

jln115:
Again were not talking speed records here mate, were talking backflips, the Rooivalk was the only helicopter in the world able to preform a backflip when it first came out

Who is talking speed you fool

That British armed forces website says clearly :

The history of the Lynx began around the mid-1960s. This resulted in the design and successful production of the world’s first complete aerobatic helicopter http://armedforcesmuseum.com/united-kingdoms-westland-lynx-helicopter/

Now Game Over

jln115:
Dude go read the fcking source, its on there in black and white: http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html: "When the Rooivalk first came out, it was the only helicopter in the world that could fly upside down."

Secondly Your right! The Rooivalk has been upgraded quite extensively since then, still doesn't change the fact that it was the only helicopter at that time able to preform a backflip.

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[size=16pt]Stop wasting your time with lies dude !

Lynx in the 1970s is the world`s first fully aerobatic helicopter, first to fly upside down, first to di back flips and all full aerobatics in this world.

South Africa is a haven of lies and fraud

"The history of the Lynx began around the mid-1960s. This resulted in the design and successful production of the world’s first complete aerobatic helicopter – a helicopter which by 1972 began breaking world speed records."

http://armedforcesmuseum.com/united-kingdoms-westland-lynx-helicopter/

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patches689:
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No big deal, I did not see that line about flying upside down then, but I see it now. Prints were so tiny to read.

[size=13pt]Only problem is that your source`s claim is still FALSE INFORMATION, the Lynx helicopter has been flying upside down since 1970s before Rooivalk came in 1980s.

So, we still win

"The history of the Lynx began around the mid-1960s. This resulted in the design and successful production of the world’s first complete aerobatic helicopter – a helicopter which by 1972 began breaking world speed records."

http://armedforcesmuseum.com/united-kingdoms-westland-lynx-helicopter/
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LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE
LYNX IS FIRST HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD TO FLY UPSIDE DOWN AND DO BACK FLIPS IN 1970s. PROVED BY VIDEO AND BRITISH WEBSITE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOpnujmm7Y

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patches689:
Iraq attacked Iran

Iran pushed Iraq out of its territory

Iran defended itself for 8 years

Iran won

Next time, read about the history of the conflict you are talking about

Fool, Iran- Iraq was is universally declared a stalemate with NO WINNER and declared so by United Nations resolution 598

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_598

You can to Wikipedia and delete war history again as usual, then declare Iran the winner of s stalemated war....Fraudster

"Iran and Iraq Accept Peace Terms (Aug, 1988): In July of 1988, when Iran had been pushed out of Iraq, while suffering invasions from Iraqi forces inside its own borders once again, it agreed to UN-established peace terms (a return to the status quo from before the war). Iraq was not prepared to accept peace terms while it was making advances into Iran . But by August, its efforts had bogged down, compelling Iraq to also agree to peace terms, ending the war."

http://www.worldology.com/Iraq/iran_iraq_war.htm
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jln115:
"When the Rooivalk first came out, it was the only helicopter in the world that could fly upside down."

http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html

There is NOTHING written about Rooivalk flying upside down in that your source dude, are you maadman ?
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patches689:
Iraq attacked Iran

Iran defended itself completely and lost no territory

Again -you proved my point for me

Argentina attacked British territory, Britain fought back and won because Argentina could not defeat Britain, so Britain is stronger.

Iraq attacked Iran, Iran fought back for 8 years and could NOT defeat Iraq, stalemate, no winner. Means Iraq is stronger than Iran according to your logic of stupiidity

Next time, think well before you post comments with your 2nd bottom world ranked Soweto brain
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patches689:
No - they controlled only 3

The citation has been posted many times

NEVER, the argument about number of districts just came up today !

You fvcking liar, prove it ! You say Taliban only rules 3 districts out of 300 in Afghanistan, prove it now ! Thief, liar, fraud, all three in one.

Show us citation to prove Taliban rules only 3 of 300 districts

patches689:
They hold 3 districts out of 300

Citation needed, prove it
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jln115:
I'm the one telling everybody a helicopter CANT fly inverted for more than a few seconds, it scientifically impossible for any helicopter in the world to fly inverted for more than a few seconds, I even corrected my own countrymen on this fact!

Fact? Citation needed now, enough of your private opinion. Liar !
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patches689:
And they only hold them because:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/28/nato-ends-afghanistan-combat-operations-after-13-years

Taliban has been holding Afghanistan lands, controlling towns, operating Islamic courts of law, Quranic schools, collecting taxes, etc from before the arrival of NATO, to the stay of NATO'S 13 year intervention, till today May 21, 2015.

NATO has NEVER and will NEVER defeat Taliban in Afghanistan.

Nigerian army is the only one that can do it !
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bidexiii:
Retard ur source only gave specifications just like the previous ones u and ur bloody liars av being giving ! ;
Says nothing about backflips or even aerobatics on the rooivalks ur source is about specifications ! U av no proof dat ur combact helicopter is the 1st to do a back flip !

You don't know how many lies a normal South African will tell in 24 hours?

I will never do business with a South African unless we have a lawyer review and witness all the contract papers, these Southies are frauds

patches689:
wow - a whole 3 districts out of 329

They added 3 news districts to the many they already control, meaning progress, and advancing.

Show us proof that Taliban hold only 3 out of 329 districs.

Show us proof !
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patches689:
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1. Britain is building a carrier and china is still figuring out how to use theirs - not in reserve you id.iot

2. You dont need carrier air-cover off your own coast as that is provided by land based aircraft

3. Yes - THE BRITISH CARRIER SAVED THEIR NAVY IN A CAMPAIGN BASED ON FORCE PROJECTION

Facts are that carriers are only needed for force projection.

Navies with a defensive orientation do not need carriers, or else countries like Korea/Japan/Turkey would have them.
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All the above is your personal opinion.....IRRELEVANT
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patches689:
Iraq started the war and attacked Iran

Iran effectively defended its territory and ended the war in Iraqi territory

If you had even the vaugest notion of how that war played out you would not have yet again humiliated yourself.

Congratulations on (yet again) proving my point for me.

LOL....I just ruined your argument of conventional war

War ended on Iraqi territory according to you? Citation needed.

The war ended on both territories, on land, air and sea of both countries.

PROOF:

Location: Iran–Iraq border
Result: Stalemate
Iraqi failure to annex territories on the east bank of the Shatt al-Arab and bolster Arab separatism in the region of Khuzestan
Iranian failure to invade and capture Iraqi territory and to topple Saddam Hussein
UNSC Resolution 598

The last notable combat actions of the war took place on 3 August 1988, in the Persian Gulf when the Iranian navy fired on a freighter and Iraq launched chemical attacks on Iranian civilians, killing an unknown number of them and wounding 2,300.

Who won the war? Nobody.....that wrecks your argument like a ship struck my Otomat missile
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MikeCZAR:
An aircraft carrier is surface vessel.


A balanced navy has surface and sub-surface capabilities.

An aircraft carrier is NOT an ordinary surface vessel, it is a surface vessel with full air to air combat capabilities, air power at sea.

Your navy in Soweto does not have one.....sorry o
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patches689:
Because you say so?

42 Nations have submarines

around 6-7 Navies have operational carriers (China and UK have no combat ready carriers, Spains are also non-operational)

Are you saying that there are only 6-7 balanced navies in the world?

The Navies of Japan and Korea, both of which fall in the top 10 most powerfull in the world - are not balanced?

Same for Saudi, Egypt, Mexico, Canada, Germany, Spain (their carriers are no-more), Turkey?

Dude, you are a joke.

The ability to deploy fixed wing aircraft at sea has nothing to do with balance and is all about force projection

Force projection capability is part of a balanced military force. Reason why armies have amphibious armoured vehicles to operate on water.

A balanced navy can hold it's own and survive in a high threat environment of sub surface, surface, and air borne threats.

Thus a balanced navy has an aircraft carrier for air cover and air superiority off their coastline beyond help of their own air force.

That is what the military world calls COMPLETE FLEET AIR ARM.

Does not matter is only 10 countries of the world have aircraft carriers, fact is that a balanced navy has at least one aircraft carrier.

Many countries who don't want to use their own do keep it in reserve like China and Britain.

India has bought aircraft carrier and is using it now.

British navy has an aircraft carrier not in use, yet it was the balance of that single aircraft carrier that saved the British navy from total defeat in war with Argentina.

If the British had no aircraft carrier, the Argentine air force would have sank all their entire navy fleet and Britain will lose the war.

Yes, it proves my point from war history, a balanced navy has an aircraft carrier or else it will lose war to air threat.

You want to remove aircraft carrier from naval requirement because South Africa does not have one, fact is that your navy is NOT balanced until you have aircraft carrier, deal with it
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patches689:
NATO kicked Taliban out of Afghanistan

After 10 years of NATO war in Afghanistan, Taliban is still s.hooting down US Navy Seals special forces helicopter and killing American commandos like houseflies. You said Taliban has been kicked out, yet in 2014 same Taliban controls huge lands and kills NATO troops at random, does an enemy you have kicked out still exist where you kicked them out, control land, make laws, and kill the same person that 'kicked them out' ?

You fvcking liar !

BY BILL ROGGIO | October 22, 2014 |

"The Afghan Taliban took control of three districts, one in the province of Wardak which is just south of Kabul, and the other two in the northern province of Kunduz, that were heavily contested during the US troop surge that began in 2010 and ended in 2011. One of the districts was the scene of the Taliban’s shoot down of a US helicopter that resulted in the deaths of 31 special operations personnel, including 17 US Navy SEALs.

Reports from Afghanistan indicate that the district of Sayyidabad in Wardak as well as the districts of Chahar Darah and Dasht-i-Archi in Kunduz province are under the Taiban’s thumb.

A reporter from the BBC recently visited the Tangi Valley in the district of Sayyidabad and noted that the Taliban fully control the district. He was given a tour by Said Rahman, the Taliban’s shadow district governor who is “popularly known as Governor Badr.”

Taliban fighters openly patrol the district during the daytime, while Afghan troops are confined to a small hilltop outpost.

Taliban judges mediate land and other disputes. Taxes are collected. Schools, which are funded by the Afghan government, teach the Taliban’s curriculum, while girls are not allowed to attend. [See BBC report, Life inside a Taliban stronghold.]

Further north, in the province of Kunduz, Afghan officials admit that “the Taliban controls virtually all of two out of seven districts in Kunduz – Chahar Darah and Dasht-i-Archi,’ Reuters reports.

“It is gaining influence elsewhere, and residents say it has been able to because what little state authority exists is viewed with deep mistrust,” Reuters continues.

In Kunduz, the Taliban collects a 10 percent tax from farmers and business, mediates disputes in its courts, and runs the local schools."

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/10/taliban_control_3_di.php