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patches689:
1. Russia's frontline tank today is the T-72, with it making up the majority of their tank forces

2. Citation needed for T-72 v Cheiftan

3. Citation needed for T-62 v Olifant

4. Citation for Mirage defeat in Angola

5.Hahaha, you dumb fvck, you dont know what the F-14 Phantom is?

6. Su-27 has not seen combat against western equipment

This guy claims to be a military researcher... but he thinks an F-14 is 4th gen bwa-hahahahahahahaha

F-14 is NOT Phantom, its Tomcat you dundeee You always need free education from a Nigerian military researcher

F-14 Tomcat is a 4th generation jet mumu....m0ron....mumu domingo

Fourth generation (1975-2005)

Fourth-generation designs are heavily influenced by lessons learned from the previous generation of combat aircraft. They include the Teen Series (F-14, F-15, F-16 and F-18) group of jet fighters.

much higher maneuverability due to relaxed stability, made possible by fly-by-wire flight control system
advances in digital computers and system integration techniques
system upgrades such as Active electronically scanned array, digital avionics buses and Infra-red search and track

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fighter_generations

Frontline tank is not determined by numbers, but by what leads your army into battle, T-90 leads Russian armour.

You said Su-27 has not see combat, so I proved you wrong, don't change story and say....against western aircraft.

You did not know Su-27 fought Badme war ......fool....that's why you ask for citation for basic information....mumu domingo
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patches689:
1. T-72 defeated Chieftain tank
Citation needed

2. T-72's are normally upgraded with reactive armor and can be fitted with composite armor.
Not to mention that the T-72 remaind the backbone of Russia's MBT forces

3. Mig-23 v Mirage

O well done, a twin engined air-superiority fighter from the 1970's performed better than a single engined multi-role platform designed in the 1950's

Iranian F-14's smashed the Mig-23 in the Iraq-Iran war.

4. T62 v Olifant
Citation needed

5 F-15 v Su-27

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Russian arms and equipment have been tested over and over, and their terrible quality is well documented. The 6-Day War, Yom Kippur, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, India v Pakistan the list is endless.

You don't need citations posted for you unless you are have down's syndrome and born a m0ron and cannot use google search engine without an online tutorial demo user guide/manual.

Russia's frontline tank today for conventional war is T-90 not T-72.

T-72 Vs Chieftain Iran -Iraq war

T-62 Vs Centurion/Olifant Angolan war

Mirage F1 is not a 1950s aircraft, it's same 1970s generation with MiG-23 that defeated it in Angola.

F-14 is 4th generation jet, MiG-23 is 3rd generation....exactly my point....generation gap mismatch,not technical superiority....proved me right

Did you see the part of your post that has large fonts? Su-27 has not seen any combat you claim? Fool

Su-27 defeated MiG-29 in Ethiopia Vs Eritrea war, you just proved that your entire post/comment is rubbish, m0ron
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patches689:
Because everytime they meet in conventional war, Western weapons annihilate Eastern ones

Nope, the users of Russian weapons were armed with older generations and used them against the latest generations of American weapons.

Iraqi T-72 tanks defeated British Chieftain tanks in 1980s, but by 1990s the T-72 became onsolete with RHA armour and was defeated by mordern American Abrams tanks with composite armour.

Russian MiG-23 jets defeated French Mirage jets in Angolan bush war.

Also Russian T-62 tanks defeated British Centurion/Olifant tanks in Angola.

Show us where F-15 defeated Su-27 .

Russia itself has not fought NATO-USA, only then shall we know who has better weapons.

patches689:
The Islamic State group claimed responsibility Tuesday for the assault on a Texas cartoon contest that featured images of the Prophet Muhammad, but counterterrorism experts said IS has a history of asserting involvement in attacks in which it had no operational role.
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/05/texas_cartoon_contest_shooters.html

Let the yankees prove it was not ISIS.

The Americans have a history of not wanting to agree ISIS is hitting them at home on American soil.

ISIS 'agents' have hit cities in Europe several times.

Let America prove it's not ISIS.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/05/isis-claims-responsibility-for-texas-atttack
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Henry120:
T-14
The new tank will weigh 48 tons and could hit speeds of more than 50 miles per hour, according to a spec sheet released by Russia's TASS news agency and translated by the U.S. Army's Foreign Military Studies Office. The three-person tank will be able to fire up to 12 rounds per minute from a 125 mm main gun that can fire multiple types of munitions, including guided missiles, with a range topping out at 8,000 meters.
High-tech highlights include circular-view cameras, a heat sensor and the Afganit active protection complex, which reportedly uses radar to detect incoming threats and destroys them with a rocket.
Abrams variants weigh in between 65 and 70 tons, according to General Dynamics Land Systems spec sheets, with a top speed of just more than 40 mph.

The vehicle with an unmanned turret armed with a brand new 125 mm smoothbore cannon, which is the most powerful gun of its kind to date in terms of muzzle energy."

I wonder why people keep saying American and European weapons technology is superior to that of Russia
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MikeCZAR:
They'll be phased out.

Multi-years contracts the F-35 production line will be opened for many years to come.

If America needed 3000 F-35 this they can produce them.

No military in this world ever buys all they need. America buys withing available defence budget. You think USAF just walk into factory and grab manufactured weapons walk away back to military base like it's hamburgers?

...speculate all you want, F-16 and F-15 remains in service with USA till year 2025. Nobody is buying 3,000 F-35 stealth jets in the next decade.

MikeCZAR:
Can you post a source that says Nigeria doesn't have a pilot shortage?
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Can you post a source for each air force in Africa announcing that they don't have pilots shortage? Please do.

The only news that gets published is problem problem, e.g. SAAF has critical pilots shortage, yes such gets published, like this one :

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

SAAF Gripen pilots shortage is legendary, now post such news for NAF F-7 jets...Bobo Odenson
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MikeCZAR:
People don't go into garages, back yards etc to buy equipment and bring trainers cause they operate what they bought.

More 100 F-35 have produced and are used for training and OT&E. It will going into service this year.

Use the 100 units to replace 3,000 units of F-16s and F-15s around the world today. Mumu

jln115:
Dude just because you have 11 F-7s doesnt mean all of them are operational, I have proved that we have 14 operational Gripens and 12 in Rotation, so yes you need 14 pilots to fly 14 plane, or am i wrong?

You on the other hand have yet to show that NAF has more than 3 operational F-7 fighters.

Ill say it again, you lack common sense.

Show us a source that says NAF has any single F-7 non-operational and has shortage of pilots at anytime. I posted such data and sources for SAAF Gripens, you have NO SINGLE SOURCE TO SHOW SUCH FOR NAF F-7 JETS

I have asked 20 times in 3 days, but you failed to provide one single source to back your claim, SO YOUR CASE IS HEREBY DISMISSED FOR LACK OF EVIDENCE....that is how justice system works universally.

CONCLUSION : All 11 NAF-7 jets have are operational and have enough pilots for all jets.

CASE CLOSED !
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jln115:
SAAF paid more than half of the R& D, so they basically bought the Mokopa when they started developing it.

That's how DENEL collapsed financially twice and needed government cash bail out. Nation of fools. Cannot run a company economically.

jln115:
Wait .....What? Please explain how we can have 14 fighters operational but 5 of them are not operational?
As i said before, you lack common sens.

Can you explain how Nigeria has 11 F-7 and only 3 are operational....you have common sense?

jln115:
Why don't you quote the rest of my post village idi0t, specifically the part were I said the site is outdated!

Why don't you post a current source that says Mokopa has now been ordered. Mumu !

jln115:
So are the other 5 Gripens flying themselves?

The don't even fly at all.

patches689:
Unknown artical from unknown source providing nothing but opinion

Meanwhile, in reality,

South Korea to sign deal this month to buy 40 F-35 jets for $7 billion
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/24/us-southkorea-airforce-orders-idUSKCN0HJ0P620140924

Britain orders more F-35s as part of biggest-ever defence project
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/11193756/Britain-orders-more-F-35s-as-part-of-biggest-ever-defence-project.html

Australia’s new Liberal Party government has announced that they’ll buy up to 58 F-35s, raising the RAAF’s approved fleet size to the 72 aircraft mentioned in the Labor Party’s May 2013 White Paper
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/australia-raises-their-f-35-commitment-023629/

And that excludes the multitude of other buyers.

F35 has been golden since day one... a project that has 3000 planned orders before it even gets in the air is a safe bet.

We have heard all these stories of sales for years.

No single F-35 is in full service anywhere in the world.....NOT even 1, then you talk about 3,000.....LOL....na you go pay for the jet?
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patches689:
Are you saying that is the official SAAF website?

Pictoral evidence proves SAAF has them

Pictoral evidence of Mokopa from DENEL laboratory existed since years ago when SAAF never ordered them.

Even Rooivalk photo shows the testing. Means produced by DENEL not purchased by SAAF.

Your poorly armed air force has NO SINGLE air to surface missiles.

I like the colours of those rubber duds you posted mounted on Rooivalk, never knew dud Mokopa is so nice at the air show marketing display
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MikeCZAR:
Show us 7 F-7s in the air Augubugubu!

Nigerian airforce is world renowned for having most of its aircraft grounded through lack of maintenance and funds. Show us more than 3 F7 in the air

Show me source that F-7 jets ever had shortage of pilots or went into storage like Gripen jets have double trouble

patches689:
Gripen fleet was never grounded or frozen

Defenceweb, your respected source says your government minister declared SAAF FROZE A DOZEN GRIPEN JETS IN ICE....

"Twelve of the South African Air Force’s 26 Gripen fighter jets are in long-term storage, according to defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, as the Air Force does not have the funding to fly them."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29831:a-dozen-saaf-gripens-in-long-term-storage&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Anointed Fraudster
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Ethiopia. Su-27

NAF Jag.

patches689:
F-35 orders are constantly growing. Its never been "hanging in the balance".

It currently is...

"Some international partners the United States had counted on to buy the fighter are reconsidering their participation in the project, citing high costs. It’s time to cancel, or at the very least drastically scale down, the F-35 project and shift the funds to deal with the strategic realities America faces."

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/americas-f-35-coming-crash-landing-11332

jln115:
Ok so lets get this clear... you agree we have 14 Gripen pilots?

Nope, you have 18 crew for 14 Gripens.....9 pilots 9 navigators
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patches689:
Are you saying that source is an official SAAF website?

jln115:
Dude, nobody said its peddling false information, in fact I quite like that site

Nice, you AGREE the site is CORRECT ....NO MOKOPA ever ordered....not in service.

Thanks for your surrender, we love it !
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MikeCZAR:
Show us 8 F-7 in the air.

Why? The 11 F-7 operational status was never in doubt and never in storage.....unlike the Gripen with half fleet frozen grounded

https://www.informationng.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/naf-f7-ni-airguard.jpg

jln115:
You have yet to show us a source that NAF has more than 3 F-7s operational, I on the other hand have provided a source that SAAF has 14 Gripens operational at any given time, so yes its common sens

14 Gripens with 9 pilots.....18 crew....9 pilots 9 navigators.

F-7 jets were NEVER in storage or short of pilots anytime. Common sense.

So no need to look for all 11 F-7 jets flying in the air at the same time. Common sense.

patches689:
What Gripens are in storage?

Show us more than 3 F7 in the air.

Show us 26 Gripens in the air !

I see you admit that fake story of F-7 jets in storage or having shortage of pilots is another South African fabricated idea

None of you guys has ever found a source to prove that comedian claim that you pulled out of your b.ums

CASE CLOSED !

patches689:
Your question is irrelevant.

The only question here is this: Are you saying the website in question is the official SAAF website?

The only question here is this: Are you saying the website in question is spreading false information about SAAF?

patches689:
They will do soon.

Tomorrow? F-35 is hanging in the balance for survival till now.

patches689:
What Gripen are in storage?

Show us more than 3 F7 in the air.

Show us 14 Gripens in the air
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patches689:
Augustus.

They have this thing called a budget.

$31 Billion defence budget, if Brazil wants F-35 Stealth jet they can buy it. South Africa is the poor pauper that could only afford 12 Rooivalks.

Brazil can afford 100 Rooivalks, show us the budget they have that does not afford a Rooivalk....citation needed.

Show us source that says Brazil could not buy Rooivalk because of budget.....wanted, citation.

MikeCZAR:
F-35

Does America have 2,000 F-35 jets in service to replace F-16 and F-15 ? You smoke rat poison Monday morning?

jln115:
You have yet to show us a source that NAF has more than 3 F-7s operational, I on the other hand have provided a source that SAAF has 14 Gripens operational at any given time, so yes its common sens

Show me a source that says NAF has 8 F-7 jets in storage.....same way we have seen proof of SAAF Gripens in storage.

BTWN your claim of 3 F-7 pilots, still afraid to show us a source? At least we showed a source that Gripen has shortage of pilots.

Still afraid to show us the source for 3 F-7 pilots.....you such a coward....white boy?
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patches689:
Is that the question I asked?

Is it the official SAAF website?

Yes or no?

Is that site a source of false information? Yes or no.

You guys have quoted Beegeagle blog here many times when it suite you....claiming the Augustine there is telling the truth.

Is the SAAF info site peddling false information ? Answer me !
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patches689:
Augustus.

Brazil has this thing called a budget

A budget is finite

They allocated a certain ammount of money towards getting attack helicopters that ammount of money was not enough to consider the Tiger, Rooivalk, Z-10 or Apache.

These 3 helos are in the same price range (Z-10 costs the most). A price range that Brazil could not meet to complete an order of the size they needed

Simple fact

They can afford 100 Rooivalks if they want it, Brazilian spending on weapons/equipment is 5 times more than South Africa

Brazil's military budget for 2014 is $31 Billion....you see now? It's not poor countries that buy Hind helicopter.

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/global/Documents/Public-Sector/gx-ps-global-defense-outlook-2014.pdf

Brazil hates your obsolete Rooivalk, they are buying same Mi-35 Hind E as Nigeria
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patches689:
Why would they if the Rooivalk doesn't meet budgetary constraints?

They didnt look at the Rooivalk just like they didnt look at the Apache, Z-10, Ka-50, Mi-28 or Tiger.

What exactly do you think you are proving here?

Dozens of countries have looked at and purchased those other helicopters. Nobody buys the Rooivalk except SAAF.

They looked at the Hind because Brazil is not a blind fool that will look in the wrong direction.

patches689:
Why would they?

Brazil cant afford it.

Brazil has 10 times bigger foreign dollar cash reserve than South Africa....Brazil is 10 times richer than your overhyped ANC cage.

By inference, Brazil can afford 100 Rooivalk helicopters.....but they refused to look at the obsolete Denel turkey
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