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patches689:
Your airforce is a chairforce

That chair must be in the air....NAF flew 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months.....SAAF flew ZERO combat sortie in 20 years, and chose to fly V.I.P transport instead....SAAF died 20 years ago
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MikeCZAR:
Sudan makes missiles!

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Can you show us the Sudanese made missile?
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patches689:
SAAF has PGM"s, Glide bombs and stand-off munitions. NAF has none. NAF can also only use Air-to-surface missiles from slow moving low flying drones.

SAAF has missile armed drones - Seeker400

ATR-42 does not have this radar range you claim. This has been proven. South Africa has the Gripen which can perform the same ISTAR duties and in a contested airspace (unlike Nigerian ATR42)

If you consider a SuperPuma with a machine-gun a assault/armed transport/armored airframe helicopter - then south africa has over 90

Nigeria has old generation AA missiles. South Africa is building its own advanced generation missiles - supply is theoretically unlimited.

SAAF also has advanced fighters, superior air-lift, better (and more) light fighters, a bigger helicopter to soldier ratio, more advanced radar and air-defence equipment, more advanced attack helicopters and an intergrated data-link.

All you write above is thrash.

However, the most important thing is that SAAF is reduced to V.I.P. transport service....ZERO combat in 20 years
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patches689:
And yet - we are the most innovative country in Africa

5,000 innovative whites and 45 million mentally d.eranged blacks and coloureds in Cape Colony = South Africa
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patches689:
Nigeria is building nothing as advanced as the GBADS system.

When the last phase of the GBADS programe is completed the Uhmkonto will enter service. We also have the most advanced VSHORAD and CRAM systems in Africa.

When completed South Africa will have the most advanced GBADS system in Africa

South Africa too is NOT building GBADS.....Germans are doing it for you.

Today, SANDF has NO operational GBADS or CRAM, come back and lets talk about it in year 2020
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jln115:
Kind of small, don't you think? Is it remote control?

Yes bra, it is

That's how our stealth OPV started too bra....it sails around the world today

patches689:
You cant hold naval vessels in permanent reserve - activation will take years.

Citation needed.

You think every country is dumb like South Africa that spent 7 years to change one submarine battery?
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patches689:
South African Air losses (whole war) <20
Cuban Air losses (whole war) >60

South African propaganda. Cuba disputes your fraudulent claims.

patches689:
Consult the archives

You have no proof. Nice surrender

jln115:
"Land based Umkhonto is NOT in service with SANDF."
It will be fully operational and in service in the next 1-2 years.


"Starstreak is the ONLY missile for SANDF air defence and it's fvcking maximum ceiling is just 1 km, like my house roof top."
Yes and?What do you think VSHORAD stands for?

"Get your facts right before you post stuff here, after you trap yourself with rubbish you start looking for a way out. Think before you post comments here okay? Olodo."
Maby you should start following your own advice.

"Stop posting photos and data of weapons and equipment that are NOT in service with SANDF"
All vehicles are in service with the SANDF, look at the number plating.

"Makes you look like a foolish white man that dropped out of secondary school and competing with Somalian immigrants in Durban for survival"
Only fool here is you!

Nope, you are the fool who has admitted he is posting missiles that are not in service.

Come back in year 2020 when Unmkhonto land based version hopefully may be in service.

Stop posting weapons you don't have today when comparing current military capacity, use the common sense I know you do not have
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MikeCZAR:
The Nigerian military can't put an air defence umbrella over an the area the size of borno state!

Stop showing us civilian airport radars!

You challenged Nigerian air traffic control and I showed you better facilities than those in South Africa, you asked for it.

South African military with 5 km range and 1km ceiling missile CANNOT put an air defence umbrella over one quater of Soweto town alone.

Your 500 km range radars are also purchased as civilian in the 1980s according to proven reports.

Continue your night time comedy.....I have someone to laugh at before I sleep

MikeCZAR:
Nigeria has no deployable air defence system.

The Nigerian military can't even put an air defence umbrella over land the size of Borno state. And maintain air space and traffic control.

Nigeria has 5 units of brand new 2010 versions of Thales moveable radar with 500 km range each, along with other radars.


https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/content/nigerias-president-commissions-tracon-system-delivered-thales

Total Radar Coverage of Nigeria (TRACON)
•The Total Radar Coverage of Nigeria Project (TRACON) was conceived as a key requirement for the modernization of Nigerian Air Traffic Management Infrastructure. It has automated Approach Area Control components as follows:
•Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR )STAR 2000
•Monopulse Secondary Surveillance Radar (MSSR) RSM 970S
•Integrated Flight and Radar Data processing Eurocat C and other associated equipment at the four major airports – Lagos, Kano, Abuja and Port Harcourt as well as stand-alone MSSR RSM – 970 at five other locations: Maiduguri, Ilorin, Numan, Obubra and Talata-Mafara

https://i.imgur.com/RXTMj6M.jpg


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MikeCZAR:
Let's go into detail.

SADF conscripts were in their early 20s.

Cuba sent 20 000 plus troops to Angola to deal with a force 3800 SADF and SWATF men.

Who's today going after SA trained soldiers to help them?

SADF had 4,000 troops including 1,000 foreign white-mercenaries and over 60,000 UNITA troops fighting and saving South Africa from the claws of Cuban teenagers army in Angola
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jln115:
Dude the Umkhonto IR has a 8km ceiling, so I don't know were you get your 1km from.

Land based Umkhonto is NOT in service with SANDF.

Starstreak is the ONLY missile for SANDF air defence and it's fvcking maximum ceiling is just 1 km, like my house roof top.

Get your facts right before you post stuff here, after you trap yourself with rubbish you start looking for a way out. Think before you post comments here okay? Olodo.

jln115:
Dedicated to @Agaugust

SANDF Air Defence:

Stop posting photos and data of weapons and equipment that are NOT in service with SANDF.

Makes you look like a foolish white man that dropped out of secondary school and competing with Somalian immigrants in Durban for survival
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MikeCZAR:
2018 SAN receives a new OPVs!

2018 Nigeria receives new Submarines
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MikeCZAR:
Doctrine and training > Experience.

SAAF actually lacks both, no aviation fuel to even train.....All Gripen pilots fall short of standard qualification hours.

Means South Africa has NO SINGLE qualified jet fighter pilot today.

SAAF cannot deploy in any air combat role at all.

The SAAF is only qualified to fly V.IP. services, it's now the military version of South African airways
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MikeCZAR:
Won what?

SAAF set in their jets standby during combat, when enemy fighters were detected they'd take off to intercept them.

Deep inside Angola.

Nice comedy strip you wrote there, good for a Tv show

Airguard

patches689:
Because we are building a domestic air defence system composed of VSHORAD, CRAM and tactical air defence missiles.


We are in no rush and the program is developing nicely

Nigeria too is building it's military with new weapons seen arriving all over the place.

Today, SANDF has one of the worst air defence in Africa...1km max ceiling missile
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patches689:
And yet south africa - as a nation- is far more innovative than nigeria

These are the facts.

Yet your Zulus accuse Somalians of taking away your jobs, you cannot innovate jobs for your own people

Since war ravaged Somalian refugees are ruling your local South African commerce, you must be very very retaaaaaaaarded creatures
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patches689:
South Africa has a better airforce and navy than Nigeria

NAF has air to surface missiles, SAAF has none.

NAF has missile armed drones, SAAF has none.

NAF has ATR-42 battlefield surveillance, MPA, and ISTAR aircraft with radar range to search the battlefield over 300 km away, SAAF has none.

NAF has Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft for battlefield surveillance and ISTAR, ground radar range 80 km, SAAF has none.

NAF has over 60 assault/attack/armed transport/armoured airframe helicopters, SAAF has 12.

NAF has 170 air to air missiles for jet fighters, SAAF has 25 missiles

NAF has flown over 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months, SAAF has flown ZERO combat sorties in 20 years
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patches689:
Gulma drone is a direct copy of an isrealy drone

Citation needed
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patches689:
Who said the Mirage F1 ran away?

Evidence has been posted that they were flying sorties until the end of the war.

Why do you keep telling lies?

Cuban MiG-23 shot down South African Mirage F1, and SAAF failed to down a single MiG-23.

Cuba won the air war, South Africa lost and resorted to air sorties that does NOT involve air to air combat.....cowards
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MikeCZAR:
Beats Libyan air defence system how? Go into detail augubugubu.

You made the first claim, so you use your own time to go into detail of how Libya's crumbled ancient air defence system is better than tahat of Nigeria....you started the argument and made the first claim....so prove it....go into details
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MikeCZAR:
. Your Gulma is nothing impressive.

Sudan builds MANPADS and self propelled howitzers!

Your navy? You mean the sea arm of your armed forces which funnily enough can't wage a conventional war at sea.

An unbalanced navy when comparing surface and sub-surface.

So Uganda has a better air force than Nigeria? Scared of the RBK-250-275 cluster bombs?

Sudan does not build anything electronically advanced, Nigeria is building satellites, we build robots, we build one of the best drones in Africa.

Nigerian navy has the biggest fleet in Africa after Egypt, and the only navy to ever build part of a modern stealth warship in Africa.

Nigerian navy has missile frigate and anti-submarine helicopters in reserve, not active because there is no need or threat.

South African navy has woken up to see that submarines are useless against the current threats existing in Africa, you now struggle to buy OPV when you are already broke.

Uganda has a better air force than South Africa, they have air to surface/anti-radar missiles, SAAF has NOTHING in the class of Uganda
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MikeCZAR:
Can you also put your 1970s Roland missile in that class?

Today, Libya has nothing to match Nigerian Roland.

South Africa has an air defence worse than Libya, your SANDF parades Starstreak toy-like anti-aircraft missile with 1km max ceiling, just manages to fly past the roof of my house Even Togo Republic will whitewash South African army with Alpha jets
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MikeCZAR:
Sour grapes!

How's your Epe rocket coming along?


Sudan is surpassing Nigeria in military innovation and tech.

Sudan cannot build anything like a Nigerian Gulma drone.

Many Sudanese stuff are ancient, their only strength is the air force....because they have no navy to spend money on, their air force got much focus with government spending.

Look at many African countries that have better jets than Nigeria, either they have no navy to spend money on because they are land-locked, or they neglect their navy and spend double on their air forces, e.g :

Ethiopia
Eritrea
Sudan
Angola
Uganda

If Nigeria too diverted navy funds to our air force, we will be flying 100 units of Su-30 MKI 4th gen jets since 10 years ago
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MikeCZAR:
. Libya had better air defence systems than Nigeria today.

If a need to destroy S-400 system arose thee Rafale can.

Nigerian air defence system today beats that of Libya, the Libyan military is too weak for a conventional war after years of arms embargo, internal sabotage by civil war, and neglect of maintenance.

If need to destroy a Rafale jet, Russian S-400 system will do it.

MikeCZAR:
Libya had air defence systems.

Libya had 1970s obsolete air defence wrecked by years of neglect, sanctions, and internal civil war.

Why not fly Rafale jet against modern S-400 Russian air defence missile?

Try fly Rafale against Su-35 Flanker
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patches689:
Welp, my bad. Been a long day.

F4 Phantom.

You should have guessed as much since I was referring to Iran's jets smashing Iraq's

Now, with regards to your trash:

1. T-72 is still the main Russian tank.

2. Su-27 has not seen combat against western powers. You said I must show you a western jet shooting one down, I said it has never fought a western jet.

Now, where are the rest of the citations you owe me?

I don't post citation for foolish questions you always ask. Waste your own time not mine.

Russia will not field old T-72 against NATO in war, they will lead attack with T-90 in frontline.

You said Su-27 has not seen combat, that is the third time you will say it in a few months and I keep educating you about Badme war, fact is you know next to nothing about air warfare, that's why you called F-14 Tomcat an F-14 Phantom twice in 30 minutes, same reason you say Gripen jet radar in ground search is 120 km range

MikeCZAR:
The Mirages performed well against the MIG-23s what they needed was better missiles.

South African Mirage F1 pilots ran away from the air when Cuban MiG-23 pilots appeared. The MiG-23 was superior in engine performance.
Victory for Russian made jets over NATO made jets.

MikeCZAR:
The October war is a great example.

The T-62 with its night fighting capabilities was getting destroyed by Israeli Centurions.

Israeli forces suffered very heavy equipment losses in their last war with Egypt....it was a stalemate....draw....no winner
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