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patches689:
Screencap with subtitles + time stamp

Prove your claims

All other Southies here yesterday did not argue about the mentioned 2 km range on the Rooivalk video.

You want time stamp, go photo shoot it by yourself....clue, the journalist said it....as informed by the pilot behind the scene.

patches689:
Hovering to land

And

Hovering in combat

Are two different things.

If the hind tries the maneuvers the rooivalk can do it will cut off its own tail with its rotors (the best part is that i am not joking - this is actually a thing)

Citation needed. I just read your personal Southie opinion
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patches689:
Accuracy >firepower

Hind gun is salved to TV guidance and bangs on target. Accuracy is excellent on the Hind, plus superior firepower combo....beats Rooivalk
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patches689:
MANPADS? Rooivalk has laser warning

Long range ground based AAA? Rooivalk has Ingwe ZT3 and Makopa

Hind too has laser warning.

SAAF Rooivalk has no missiles, no ingwe or mokopa armed on it.

Mokopa ? 10 km range ATGM ? When a 15 km SAM is launched by Tanzania what will Rooivalk do ?
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patches689:
This discussion has been had and citations have been posted where the UN states the rooivalk was needed as hinds lacked capabilities

UN has NEVER said Rooivalk is better than Hind, the video is South African and the comments therein are now denied by South Africans here because it revealed the short legged 2 km range of Rooivalk gun and bad news for marketing or propaganda
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patches689:
Name a fighter that has

Su-27 flanker has seen real combat BVR against equal aircraft/opponents.

jln115:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821

"18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots) have been trained up to operational status to date and 52 Hawk aircrew have been trained so far."

Now show me a source were it states we have only 9 pilots!

9 pilots
9 navigators
= 18 Gripen air crew......from your own source.

You are yet to post a single source of NAF having 3 F-7 pilots, NOT EVEN A SINGLE SOURCE....even if it says 2 or 5 pilots, just post something....I see you running away and logging out....Shame....you run like SANDF parabats....I am not Seleka, why you dey run naa ?

Coward....show us source of NAF 3 F-7 pilots
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jln115:
You will never export any thing mate!!

Sorry dude, you failed.... http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/11/nigerian-navy-export-war-ships/
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jln115:
Why? You have yet to provide a citation that SAAF only has 9 pilots

Why not, you actually have 6 pilots, worse than my estimate of 9.



"“The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron for 2013.”"

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

Now show us a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots ! Are you afraid to prove your own claim the way I proved mine ?

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jln115:
NAF only has 3 F-7 pilots.

Citation needed urgently !

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jln115:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821
"18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots) have been trained up to operational status to date and 52 Hawk aircrew have been trained so far."

Now show me a source were it states we have only 9 pilots!

My pleasure....


"“The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron for 2013.”"

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

Now show us a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots !
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Henry120:
Mike is downright brutal. It's virtually the same thing Jln115 did to mzikazali last year.

Southie camp on fire by homicide....crime does not pay

jln115:
Ok well done, we are one of the largest arms exporters in the world, we built every thing from bullets to SPGs.

You are actually almost bottom table of world top 20 arms exporters, you are ahead of countries like Azerbaijan on that arms export table.

Cool....SA beats Azerbaijan....cool

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jln115:
Show us Source that SAAF only has 9 Gripen pilots!

It's actually worse than I said:

"“The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron for 2013.”"

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

Now show us a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots !
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Henry120:
I'm only quoting your pilot. Go argue with him. He says your cannon only has a 2km range, that's what I agree with.


On the other hand, you are claiming the Rooivalk, pilot and reporter all belong to the U.N.

What the heck is the correlation?

The guy is now denying his own country et al
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MikeCZAR:
The Journalist didn't say anything about the aircraft being better. Many of the things he said are wrong.

It was the interviewed pilot who said they had a better systems and his statements are true.

They're flying under the UN.

Really ?

The journalist got the 2 km info from a herbalist oracle?

So the journalist is wrong, okay prove him wrong with tech/specs/data citations.

Forget the pilot, don't say he is right....you already denied him being a SAAF pilot
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MikeCZAR:
That's not what Saab says, SAAF Gripens are different.

You changed the Gripen engine, radar, cannon, cockpit, wings, ejection seat, landing gear, etc ?
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jln115:
Nigeria build fvckall except your sh1tty Igiri that you don't even like!

We build drones, many types of drones
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MikeCZAR:
No, they ordered 60 E/F Gripens.

Saab will be upgrading their C/D versions with the MS20 software including SAAF Gripens, this will enable them to use the advanced Meteor missile.

Just this week they've shown new upgrades to capabilities of the aircraft radar.

Sweden will be stuck with C/D versions for a long time, so upgrades will be offered equivalent in performance to the E/F versions.

No, country has SAAF Gripens.

SAAF Gripens are Gripen C....many countries have it. Unless you show proof yours is Gripen W or Gripen Z
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jln115:
NAF only has 3 pilots!

Show us a source that says NAF has ever had pilots shortage for jet fighters.

We have shown sources of Gripen jet pilots shortages and lack of qualification to fly.


Show us a source that says NAF has ever had pilots shortage for jet fighters
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Henry120:
Your Gripens are the very basic C/d model, and you only have 9 pilots for 26 planes after 16 years.

Bwahahaahaha

jln115:
Our Gripens are different from normal Gripen Cs, so no, they are not phasing out SAAF version of the Gripen.

SAAF flies Gripen C....or is it Gripen Z that Sweden sold to you?

SAAF calls them Gripen C, that is no news
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MikeCZAR:
How?

That pilot is flying under the UN not SAAF.

The reporter is telling his story of "forward intervention brigade"

Okay so the journalist's whole story of Rooivalk is better than Hind becomes garbage and fake.

The Rooivalk pilot belongs to South African air force, or does UN own Rooivalks and produces Rooivalk pilots ?

You got trapped and now deny your own country's air force and pilot, you are a traitor and betrayer dude, you can one day deny your own family just to win an argument....your wife should fear you o !
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jln115:
Nice opinion bro!!

To bad citations prove otherwise.

SAAF Pilots/Journalist citations....remember he said Rooivalk gun range is 2 km....he killed the Rooivalk

Henry120:
So, your Rooivalk pilot has no idea what he is talking about?

Geeee

jln115:
Turkey chose the A129 due to Nato pressure.

Excuses excuses for Rooivalk failure.

Apart from Turkey, is there no other export country in the world to buy Rooivalk?

andrewza:
jake of all trades master of none

why do you need a chopper for bombs, o I forgot the hind fights like a fixed wing aircraft.

and

with a tiny ammo load out and unable to switch ammo in flight

that's why Algeria asked SA to install SA avionics suite, TV, FLIR, etc on there hinds, to down grade them

what? stingers loved them

again Algeria wanted a down grade

Jack of all trades and master of all.

Stingers shot down old version 1980s Hind.

Current Hinds have flare dispensers and laser jammer, as well as laser/radar warning, plus heat signature suppressor.

The Hind's gating gun has tons of ammo. Bigger guns do not need lost of ammo, one short burst from a 30mm x 2 is death guaranteed.

Algeria was upgrading old Hinds purchased long ago, they just chose SA. Did India or Iraq come to you for Hind upgrades?
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andrewza:
I said they want to, now show me they changed there minds

Show us the retired Russian Hinds.

andrewza:
We built the many weapon systems before and are a builder of parts for the A400m.

You built A400m engine parts ?

andrewza:
not my fault Russia cant keep to there own time line. Fact is they want to replace them.

The world flies 2,500 Hinds.....nothing changes that.

Russia said it was replacing MiG-29 long ago.....yet they have hundreds of them in frontline service, they just upgraded with vector thrust.

jln115:
Uhm......No!! we have the resources, all we need is the funding, in 18 months we will know for sure!!

Rooivalk Mk2 decision, not even production, just decision making in a room meeting will be done almost year 2018..... or mabe year 2050....it's another project Biro tragedy....no cash

andrewza:
Russia stated it wanted to replace them. I posted the quote and link a few mints ago.

Sweden is phasing out SAAF version of Gripen jet