₦airaland Forum

patches689:
You have destroyed your own argument

1. A tank cannot float
2. A tank cannot stay submerged for long

So then, how does your T72 sail out to sea to attack the valour class?

Tanks are not submarines, if the fully snorkel and submerge, it must be for very few minutes, they have no 100% water-proof leak-proof superstructure and no 100% crew survival air compartment, they stay too long they will faint. They can only run across a river.

Have you ever seen a tank fully submerged travel across a long water region like a submarine?

Next the war zone operation requires ability to defend and fight, most tanks will not fully submerge, they will have main gun barrel ready to fire and tank commander outside watching .

Below is a photo that proves all that I said.....and the two warships in the ocean close to the tank, he can fire on them and sink any frigate.

Now go cry to mummy at home because a Nigerian has rubbed mud in your face on Easter morning

.

saengine:
Again. You have failed. You have done nothing but embarrass yourself. Im sure even Nigerians on here are embarrassed for you. How can you say those are "deep sea" operations?

You can clearly see the f*cken sand the tank is driving on.

Show us the sand these tanks are driving on ......you fvcking fool
.

saengine:
Before you even waste your time typing. Let me remind you....T-72 tank has a maximum forging depth of 5m. Meaning it cannot traverse water deeper than 5m. What is a Navy frigate doing anywhere near water of 5m? ipe.

Frigates do go to shallow waters, they have depth monitoring equipment. Why do you think frigates run aground in navies around the world?

The T-72 can be at 5m water level, and from that coastal landing position, it's main gun can fire on a Frigate 4 km far away out of normal human eyesight range. That is how a tank can fight a warship. The frigate does not need to be at the same shallow depth of 5 m water.

A frigate 4 km far away deep off shore is an easy target for a T-72 tank near the coast.

I have bursted your bubble
.

patches689:
Those are amphibious IFV's not MBT's

Now, answer my question:

So, what are you saying? That MBT's float?

saengine:
Main battle tanks do not do sea operations.

Light infantry vehicles can. Light infantry vehicle =/= main battle tank..

You have been caught out. You fraud. Now you are panicking.

Thousands of main battle tanks have done major sea war operations in war history of amphibious battles.

Tanks do sea operations, and frigates are close to them in the sea, a tank can fire 4km range and sink a warship.

Below, I show you main battle tanks doing sea operations, that you Southies cannot imagine because your fvcking SANDF has never fought a sea battle since 1945

PHOTOS : MAIN BATTLE TANKS IN DEEP SEA OPERATION WITH BIG WARSHIPS CLOSE TO THEM

You still ask if I am a military researcher? Empty barrels make noises. I have helped you to update your outdated database again
.

[size=13pt]@saengine....time to burst your bubble [/size]

NaijaPikinGidi:
Make una leave this talk for different thread. No need to dey show we nyash.

100% right oga mi. Roger dat sir. D tin pain me pass head butt, comot blood from my nose, na him make I talk....but as u rightly say, make we end d tory. Na prayer make we take commit everything 4 de hand of Baba God to take care.

I salute chief !
.

EVarn:
@oga agaugust,abeg no vex say i dey disturb you this afternoon,but i want to ask if you or anyone else here know the number of T-72 tanks we recieved recently,and where they are from.
The new delivery seem to have ERA on it,unlike some of the earlier ones from czech.

Bros I will reply you after work, today work plenty for office because tomorrow na Easter holiday, oga just dey load person with overwork because we no go come work tomorrow....see him oyinbo long nose like cobra snake...de man no kuku sabi pidgin make I continue dey abuse am....hehehehe....if de man catch me hey, na deport to airport
.

EVarn:
Why do you say that?,werent the T-62s commissioned in the 1960s,surely the T-72 is a more upgraded version of the T-62.

Patches is deceiving you big time, he is loading you with wrong information !

You want a South African man to tell you a Nigerian T-72 tank is good?

It's like asking Asari Dokubo if Buhari is good
.

saengine:
What is a Navy frigate doing in 5m of water? Which is the depth limit of the T-72 water crossing. Are you sure you're a military researcher?

Video 1: T-72 tank crossing water COMPLETELY submerged. Doing what YOU...."the military researcher" said it does NOT do. Crossing at 00:52.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3eDA29iyk


Video 2. T-90 tank doing the same thing. Completely
submerged.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-QWQsDNsRs



Your pic is not a crossing at the max depth of 5m. You can even see the soil being kicked up behind it. That tank has its tracks on the surface of the trench. You fraud.

Bwahahaha....you are an internet based commentator

Each step I take you is where you stop and google, then quickly find something to post

Yes, I say it again, a tank is NOT a submarine and cannot fully submerge like a submarine, how many seconds did your tanks in the video stay under water? They can take quick dip across a river, they cannot stay submerged, no aquatic apparatus for crew underwater survival. They will soon die, and the engine compartment will succumb to small leakages that will soon flood the tank inside.

Tank is NOT = Submarine.

Even some car can quickly drive under a flood completely submerged with no snorkel for some seconds and come out alive, but with some interior flooding.

5m depth for Valour frigate? Did I say that? Now run back to google search on internet after I take you one step further.

During beach assault, tanks do not normally fully submerge, they snorkel or simply fording, yes, but their gun barrel is outside and ready to fire in a hostile area. Any tank fully snorkeling in a danger zone is looking for quick death from the enemy.

War is new to South Africans so you cannot think outside the box and picture a real combat scenario.

Your youtube videos are demo in-house videos, I will show you real war scenario today.

Beach landing amphibious assault, Frigates can escort landing ships to coastline, yes at the right depth, frigates go to coastline. Tanks like a T-72 in a beach assault can sight an enemy ship and attack it, the tank can fire up to 4km away from the beach deep into the ocean target.

Let me show you what real war looks like below....Now go seek more help from you tube
.

I may no longer comment so much on Nigerian matters.

Has Nigeria become a two-party sate? 180 million Nigerians must either accept Buhari or Jonathan by force ? No other options?

A dangerous precedent has been set....If a southern christian becomes president of Nigeria, the north will create Boko Haram war to make him look bad and destroy his government, then replace him with a northerner that looks good. So when a northern muslim becomes president and the southern christians want to pay them back in their own coin and retaliate, what will happen ? Vicious cycle and recycle ?

http://dailypost.ng/2015/04/01/buharis-victory-asari-dokubo-threatens-return-to-the-creeks/

I will advice Buhari to start begging Niger Delta and apologize for saying if he does not win elections there will be bloodshed all over Nigeria....because yes, there was blood shed of over 6,000 innocent civilians in Boko Haram war 2013 to 2015.....after he lost in 2011.

http://www.punchng.com/news/buhari-under-fire-over-threat-of-bloodshed/

Any how dem like make dem rule naija, me I no kuku dey house, my journey far....nothing go do me
.

Msauza:
By simply saying "not 100% submerged in water" you are indirectly implying that the floating is taking place to some reasonable extent. If you are ignorant of some things do not try to correct your mistakes by jogging around.

Floating means your feet or wheels do not touch the waterbed, river bed, or sea floor. Go back to school and learn English. Olodo Southie

patches689:
I said that small fiberglass objects have significantly reduced radar signature, meaning that the gunners would have to rely on secondary targeting systems.

Water enters the barrel augustus. Admit it, you didnt know what a breech is.

You said tanks float right - how else will a T-72 destroy a valour class?

You still insist I said tanks float on water, you have NOT been able to quote where I said that. You know I am not the dullard here, it's you


Breech of a gun? It's English language and meaning available in dictionary for the whole world, even local hunters know a breech on their gun.


Fishing boat is NOT stealth, Valour frigate radar detected it, that is why your sailors fires 3 times on the same target, the radar gave them EXACT and PRECISION co-ordinate position of the vessel, yet your donkey brained blue water navy fired 76 mm gun 3 times and missed target 3 times.

Water does not enter barrel, see photo of snorkeling T-72 tank below, the barrel is above water, the tanks NEVER fully submerge, it is a tank NOT a submarine....see the tank commander in the photo even outside the turret watching out for enemy forces in the water, he will command the tank gunner to fire 125 mm powerful main gun on your Valour frigate and tank will sink your warship, your Soweto navy CANNOT retaliate and hit target.

.

jln115:
Go read the first article published after the incident by Mr Dean Wingrin on Defenceweb, no were does it state that it was a SAN ship that fired those shots, secondly on SAAF forum he himself said he suspects it was a German vessel that fired the shots.

The whole of South Africa has admitted the truth, SANDF warship fired and missed 3 times....looks more like your navy is bewitched by some voodoo failure curse that has not yet been revoked by deliverance
.

saengine:
SA/German Exercise

Last movements of Exercise Good Hope. Before that f*ol even comments he must explain how SA Navy fired Umkhonto missiles during the exercise. Missiles which he said are fake, and only exist inside the lab at Denel Dynamics.

German warship, SA submarine. Throughout the exercise the were tasked to detect and evade each other. And SA Frigate.

SA Navy frigate radar detected Gripen from far out. But for the sake of the exercise they pretended Gripen had struck the vessel, and sailors had to respond accordingly.

Quote for us where any Nigerian on this forum said Umkhonto missile only exists in DENEL laboratory, show us where we said that, quote it now !

It is Mokopa missile that we say is NOT EXISTING in SANDF arsenal and the source of that information is SAAF forum website and South African defenceweb news website, all those sources are South African, so go shööt them if their truth hurts you so badly

What I said about Umkbonto is , show us proof that all the 36 silos have missiles inside them, because the Exocets 32 launchers have only about 12 missiles inside the four frigates silos, the rest are empty photomania boxes that cannot kill a Tilapia fish

Exercise Good Hope is just another sea jamboree for headless Southie sailors that cannot shoot straight

Missiles fired, against a jet fighter that has anti-ship missiles? Try fire 15km range Umkhonto against a JF-17 that is beyond your Valour frigates reach 100 km away and sinking your weak warship with C-803 antiship missile, then you will know why I said SAN was doing sea festival and party with Germany.

SAN radars detected ships and aircraft, so what? Only you have radar in Africa? Cameroonian navy has radar to detect enemy forces too.

Thanks for the jamboree update brother, it was fun looking at the photos of the Soweto men that cannot target a fishing boat, yet they claim they can sink a whole NATO fleet in war

Jokers unlimited
.

MikeCZAR:
The UN pays South Africa not the SANDF.

Who is SANDF working for? Zimbabwe? Fool

EVarn:
With this abrupt change in regime,what should the Nigerian armed forces expect?,progress or regress?
It seems that the west is currently backing this new government,should we then expect military hardwares,training and intelligence from the west?
should we expect the sale of cobras,apaches,F16s,hummer APCs,etc from america?
This is a very critical moment,not only for the masses,but also for the military.We may have to choose between the west and russia,china,pakistan.

I fear for the future of Nigeria. Only God can predict Buhari.

Muhammadu Buhari is a good man in terms of anti-corruption and discipline, he is also good at choosing technical advisers, sub-leaders and ministers....but Nigerians don't know him beyond those few qualities, the larger part of his heart is very closed, very deep, and very secretive.

I expect cancellation of many weapon/equipment contracts and back to square one procurement of a new list of military hardware.

Expect massive premature retirement of military officers of Southern tribe origin. Nigerians have voted themselves back to 1998 square one.

Goodluck Jonathan's government was deliberately ruined and wrecked by the northern Muslim oligarchy who vowed that a southern Christian president will not rule over the Muslim north. Goodluck allowed his enemies to succeed because he could not fight against open corruption and stealing of Nigeria's money, he also appointed a lot of unpatriotic and incompetent advisers or ministers. Also, he failed to arm up, modernize and fully equip Nigerian military in peace time, he waited for war to happen before he began to order new weapons in fire brigade approach.

GEJ is a good man, the best president Nigeria ever had, a good man that the enemy wanted to roast, then he himself takes his daily morning bath with a Jerry can of petrol.

Sad end of a good man's career.

Msauza:
ZUMA EXTENDS SANDF DEPLOYMENT TO DRC


http://iolmobile.co.za/#!/article/zuma-extends-sandf-drc-deployment-1.1839614

...because united nations is paying you dollars to remain there. South Africa cannot spend $ 1 billion to save a fellow black brother nation. Nigeria alone spent $ 10 billion to save Liberia and Sierra Leone with zero help from UN
.

patches689:
You said a T-72 will sink a valour class. How will it do that while submerged?

You say it again in your own post!! Right now!!


THIS MAN THINKS TANKS CAN FLOAT!!

And dude, you also dont seem to know the basics, the breech has to be closed to fire a shell, a breeches default position is closed.

[size=13pt]This man who claims to be a military researcher still thinks MBT's can float and he doesnt know what a breech is!!
[/size]

[size=16pt] Bwahaha

Breech? Gun loading hole inside the tank. We were talking about snorkeling tank and I said water won't enter the barrel outside (not breech inside) .

You are yet to show how at my age, I would say a solid steel tank floats on water, you are the one who says radar didn't see that boat because it was night....i gave you basic science education that radar is a wave and day or night makes no difference because radar waves just need a solid object to bounce on.

You are obsessed about my work as a military researcher, it gives you daily inferiority complex....that's why you sing it like a song.....keep singing....empty barrels make the most noise
.
[/size]

patches689:
No, with the breech closed it wont.

[size=13pt]Guys - this is the guy who claims to be a military researcher!! He thinks MBT's float when they cross rivers! [/size]

[size=16pt]Quote where I said tanks float when they cross a river, quote it....Mumu Domingo

How will a man of my age and education say that 40 tonnes of solid steel will float on water? I am not a möron like you now


Tanks don't close barrel when fording water in a threat zone, else they become sitting ducks and defenseless.

Yes a snorkeling T-72 tank cannot be hit by South African navy, it's 125mm main gun will sink your navy frigate that cannot retaliate on target
.[/size]

patches689:
Lets go one step further, Day said his boat was 28-foot ski boat. Thats 8 meters, he estimates the shots fell within 15 meters infront of him.

This means that first salvo accuracy for the vessel which fired the shots is 23 meters. The size of a Shaldag is 24 meters.

Proven by real life events!

Nope, the only thing you proved is that for every target South African navy Valour frigates shoot at, your sailors shots will always land 15 meters off target.

So if SAN shoots at a 24 metre shaldag boat, your incompetent gunners will miss target by their normal 15 metres inaccuracy .

SANDF always shoots 15 metres off target.

CASE CLOSED
.

patches689:
Who said it was a valour class? Of the 4 vessels present 3 were german

Again, the type of boats used for fishing off our coast are fiber glass with poor radar sugnautes. Fiber glass has a poor radar signiture Proven by the fact that the gunnery target had radar reflectors

This id.iot doesnt know that tanks are submerged when snorkeling

How will it penetrate unseen? we saw the other boat - why would we not see yours?

Also, first 3 rounds landed within an area of 15 meters of target - the next rounds would have been dead on target when the operators adjusted fire

Reminder: Whoever fired those shots can hit a Shaldag sized target with 100% accuracy

Post proof that Mr.Day's own boat is made of fibre glass not aluminium, you MUST PROVE IT NOW !

Valour frigate radar detected the boat and your gunners saw it, that is why they fired in it's direction 3 times, 3 shots at the same target, no excuse about radar not seeing clearly, the exact geographical coordinates of that boat was displayed on your gunners radar screen clean and clear. Valour frigate radar detected the boat and directed your STUPIID navy buffoons to fire at it......then failure magnets failed as usual.

Snorkeling tanks are NOT 100% submerged under water, or else the water enters through the main gun and flood the tank.

Yes a snorkeling tank is a threat as it can fire on your ship and sink the Valour frigate, your gunners cannot shoot straight at an object the size of a T-72 tank, you need a huge aircraft carrier or giant oil tanker ship to shoot at with a little more hope of hitting target after firing 10 rounds due to the gross incompetence of Soweto's toothless blue water navy .

SAN gunners can hit a Shaldag boat just because you say so? NO ! PROVE IT with real life firing evidence not your leaking mouth

South African navy is born to shoot and miss target. Live with that
.

patches689:
Day explained that while he was waiting for his crew before launching, a charter boat operator arrived, towing a 14 foot radio-controlled speed boat. The black-painted boat[b] featured a radar reflector[/b] and a German technician commenced pre-launch activities.
- Defenceweb

Tiny fiberglass boats dont make good radar reflectors

If you had read what I was posting you wouldent dare bring up Radar

Nobody said the fishing boat is fibreglass, it can be steel, aluminium, etc. Did you enter the man's boat? Liar !

It's not a stealth boat. Simple. Your navy gunners cannot go to war with poor marksmanship, your ship will be sunk easily
.

patches689:
Good enough to Sink a Shaldag

Nope, they will still miss target. A stupiid navy remains stupiid no matter the target.

What if it's a 12 m Nigerian navy stealth combat catamaran? Half the size of a shaldag and stealth, so Nigeria's so called brown water navy can penetrate Valour frigate radar defences without being seen....they we fire on your blind eyed warship

patches689:
22 ft which is 8 meters

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38560:close-call-after-navy-apparently-fires-on-fishing-boat-during-ex-good-hope&catid=108:maritime-security&Itemid=233

Bwahahahaha

That 8 meters boat is as big as a T-72 main battle tank.

So, a snorkelling T-72 tank will sink your Valour Frigate because your Soweto gunners are not good enough to hit target the size of a whole tank

Eish Wena....read below

.

Msauza:
Jonathan never made Nigeria the biggest economy in Africa. The population of Nigeria itself makes it the biggest economy, irrespective of oil. The biggest population= biggest parity purchasing power.

Olodo, for many years and decades up till 2012 South African economy was biggest in Africa, so did SA have a bigger population than Nigeria, Egypt, Algeria, and Ethiopia in all those years? Olodo rabata
.

patches689:
Day explained that while he was waiting for his crew before launching, a charter boat operator arrived, towing a 14 foot radio-controlled speed boat. The black-painted boat featured a radar reflector and a German technician commenced pre-launch activities.
- Defenceweb

Lets go one step further, Day said his boat was 28-foot ski boat. Thats 8 meters, he estimates the shots fell within 15 meters infront of him.

patches689:
The vessel was a 22m meter speed boat - not a big target

You are a joke

Citation needed from defenceweb, you said it's a 22m boat
.

patches689:
[size=13pt]Practice makes perfect
Whoever exibited such magnificent gunnery, against a low radar target, in pitch black, in the open sea must spend allot of time practicing.
[/size]

[size=16pt]

Bwahahahaha

South Africans always say Training > Experience.

Yet 7 years of practice with Valour frigates has not made Mandela's over paid half illiterate sailors anywhere near perfect, SAN gunnery skills is worse than that of a ONE-EYED HALF BLIND HUNTER

Hey dude, radar guidance has NOTHING to do with darkness or daylight, radar is just waves in the air that bounce off solid objects, it's NOT a Tv camera you dummy !

Shout Afrikaan navy is ABSOLUTELY incapable of combat , you have the worst gunners in Africa....Okoko-bioko
.
[/size]

patches689:
[size=16pt]23 meters

Size of a Shaldag: 24 meters
[/size]

[size=20pt]
Big target, yet Valour frigate gunners missed target !

STÜPID blue water navy, says South Africans themselves....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?245342-South-African-Navy-accidental-discharge


[/size]
.

patches689:
Lets go one step further, Day said his boat was 28-foot ski boat. Thats 8 meters, he estimates the shots fell within 15 meters infront of him.

This means that first salvo accuracy for the vessel which fired the shots is 23 meters. The size of a Shaldag is 24 meters.

This means that who ever fired the shots can hit even the smallest patrol boats in the Nigerian navy, and not only that, whoever fired the shots has a 100% chance of hitting that Nigerian boat with the first salvo.

Whoever fired those shots showed expert gunnery at a target that had a poor radar signature and in complete darkness.

The only humble pie seen here is baked in South Africa by South African citizens who now call their own blue water navy STÛPID from Cape Town to Australia

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?245342-South-African-Navy-accidental-discharge
.

patches689:
Who said Nigeria was Africa's richest nation?

BBC news report last week
.

patches689:
Do you really want your enema now? I have my hot sauce ready.

Regardless of which vessel fired the shots - radar reflectors are needed to accurately engage vessels of that type and size.


Day explained that while he was waiting for his crew before launching, a charter boat operator arrived, towing a 14 foot radio-controlled speed boat. The black-painted boat featured a radar reflector and a German technician commenced pre-launch activities.
- Defenceweb

So, from the sources we can conclude:

1. Germans were present (no mention of SAN at all)
2. Vessels of that size require radar reflectors to be accuratly engaged.
3. Yet again you have shown a completed lack of military knowledge

Now, how does your bottom feel with all that hot pepper sauce in it?

Still feels so sad that expensive SAN Valour Frigates CANNOT shoot on target
.

EVarn:
@lezz,agaugust,naijapikingidi,overhypedsteve..has anyone noticed the recent escalation of japanese interests in Nigerian affairs?
They seem particularly too friendly in the past couple of months
what could have brought up such an interesting development?

Japan is now desperate to do huge business with Nigeria as the biggest and richest country in Africa, they want to rival China and South Korea that have started multi-billion dollar fresh wave of investments in Nigeria.

Japan is removing it's Nissan automobile industry away from trouble in South Africa, to Lagos Nigeria for a superior business market. The black giant is swallowing up South Africa systematically
.

patches689:
Which flag flies over Kabul?

Fact is - you were defeated by rag tag rebels in your own country. Fact is that the insurgency continues. Fact is that you needed foreign help to save you.

Sources have been posted many times about mercenaries, including pictures.

Training > Experience

Last week we saw the useleness of SANDF training, after 7 years of training with Valour Frigates, your over hyped blue water navy gunners CANNOT SHOOT STRAIGHT even with a radar guided gun....missing targets like genetic mörons

Whose flag flies in Kabul does not matter. When Nigerian flag was flying in Abuja you were still screaming about Boko Haram 'controlling' lands the size of Belgium....anyway where is that your usual Boko Haram caliphate map of control you normally post here? Where is it? Nigerian army and air force tore your map into pieces and shoved it down your throat by force till it sank deep down into your änus

Whose flag flies in the southern towns of Afghanistan and key cities like Kapisa ?....Taliban flags everywhere, American and British army have failed, they are running away from battle with rag tag insurgents.

ACCORDING TO AMERICAN NEW YORK TIMES, TALIBAL RULES MASSIVE TERRITORIES INSIDE AFGHANISTAN TODAY 2015.


"The Taliban have found success beyond their traditional strongholds in the rural south and are now dominating territory near crucial highways and cities that surround Kabul, the capital, in strategic provinces like Kapisa and Nangarhar."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/world/asia/taliban-making-military-gains-in-afghanistan.html?_r=0&referrer=

Nigerian army is SUPERIOR to NATO armies, except for equipment. NA & NAF have made history as the first nations to defeat Islamic insurgents with the barrel of a gun in 42 days.


New world combat record by Naija Ninjas o !

South Africa will NEVER achieve that in the next 1,000 years because cowardice has robbed SANDF of it's already weak manhood
.

patches689:
How does defeating rag tag rebels who humiliated you, killed over 6000 people, displaced 1,6million and could only be defeated by foreign mercenaries make you the best military?

Show us foreign mercenary firing a rifle inside battlefield in Nigeria, and show us the Bokos they killed

rag tag rebels killed 150,000 Algerian civilians, Nigeria lost 6,500 over a period of 6 years....very small number.
Rag tag terrorists killed about 4, 000 in ONE DAY inside America's New York city.

America and Britain have failed to defeat rag tag rebels in Afghanistan for 13 years of battle and are withdrawing in shame back home, NATO had 1,000 times more weapons and equipment than Nigeria.

South African military has ZERO achievement in the past 20 years. Current 99.99% of the SANDF have ZERO war experience in their lives.
.