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jln115:
"You surely give a fvck about my comment"
I said i dont give a f@ck about your opinion mate!!!please learn to read, this is a debate, and thus only facts can prove your argument and personal opinions are irrelevant.

And BTW:
SAAF Fighters flew 23 years non stop against a modern and advanced airforce, with equal if not better equipment, especially in the early years of the Border war.

And the reason that the Gripens didnt see combat in CAR, was because of the fact that the seleka rebels already surrendered, thus no need for them to engage the enemy.

Stop telling stories if past glory here, where does SAAF stand today 2015 ?

23 years ago you flew Mirage III jets now absolutely obsolete . Cuban MiG-23 jets flown by inexperienced teenagers forced SAAF to hide their Mirage jets on ground at the airbase before Cuba shoots down every jet you had. SAAF was defeated by Cuba.

The pilots we are talking about now are Gripen and Hawk pilots.

ZERO combat experience, NO qualified pilots, SAAF ranks number 20 in Africa today 2015. Deal with your problem
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jln115:
No mate
NO! we rank 54th in Africa, Gripen most underadvanced fighter in Africa continant it are only 1st gen aircraft, no mach for F-7 5th gen super extra advance delta wing design making it super extra maneuverable, it also most stealthy fighter jet in world.

Stup1d Southies like us will be shot down, in 10seconds by extra long range PC-9 air to air missile with 1000000km Range
NAF>SAAF

NAF pilots most well trained in world, america come for training by us.

SAAF pilots have no fuel, all Gripen photos post by us are photoshoped, SAAF canot fly.

NAF receiving first 6gen JF-17 fighter, not even F22 can match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frustrated man from a country whose navy cannot shoot straight even with fire control radar guidance of Valour frigates. Rhino poachers in Kruger park hit target better than Mandela's blue water navy. Coast Guards are better than SAN. You cannot even connect submarine battery cables correctly, you plugged in positive into negative and battery got burned out, fried, roasted, rendered the submarine dead in dry dock for 7 years while bank loan interest was mounting daily.

South African military is struggling to claim to be Africa's best by using photography, but the world is not convinced by colourful photos, we wanna see your military brains and courage in real action.

Now, I tell you, the best jet fighter in Africa is Algeria's Su-30 MKA Flanker jets with super long range radar and BVR missiles plus anti-ship missiles.

Next is Morocco's new F-16 jets with BVR missiles and anti-radiation missiles, plus Maverick air to surface missiles.

Egypt is still there with F-16 and incoming Rafale jets. Ethiopia has Su-27 upgrade with battle tested BVR missiles and qualified pilots.....Uganda flies Su-30 Flanker jets with air to surface missiles.

Look here dude, South African military has more internet photos than all these countries, but check out aircraft and missiles plus experience in combat, many African countries are far ahead of South Africa. 5 million white-men living in your country does not make you the strongest military in Africa, this forum is too technical to be deceived by liars
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jln115:
"SAAF jets have flown ZERO combat mission since you purchased them 7 years ago"

Uhm............................obviously!!!!!

Are we in a civil war,like Nigeria?

And the rest of your post is just your meaningless opinions that nobody gives a f!ck about.

You surely give a fvck about my comment and that's why you replied like a frustrated man.

South Africa does not need civil war at home to get combat experience, NAF jet fighters flew 10 years non-stop combat missions in Liberia and Sierra Leone 2,000 km away from home, was that a Nigerian civil war?

SAAF had a chance to prove itself in C.A.R but your national courage failed to strike, your nation of 50 million cowards avoid war like a plague because you are afraid to die, yet you want to lead the whole of Africa and be called the most strongest military in Africa without proving your capacity in the battle theater, SANDF wants to use mere photographs to dominate Africa and claim champion superiority over battle tested countries like Angola, Uganda, Ethiopia, Morocco, Eritrea, Algeria, Sudan and Nigeria.

How does internet photography make you the strongest military in Africa? Is Hollywood drama = Live Battlefields of death ?

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saengine:
Some SAAF Gripen Ex Lion Effort pilots. I believe there were 8 or so in total.

Our female Gripen pilot (on the left) meets Sweden's female pilot
https://i.imgur.com/lcYot.jpg

Operational Commander of Ex Lion Effort and also Gripen pilot
https://www.af.mil.za/news/014/MDN_6073_1.jpg

Nice photos, but Lion Effort was 3 years ago. NO Proof all your Gripen pilots were standard qualified then in 2012, and worse today NO SINGLE Gripen pilot in South Africa is qualified with 250 flying hours per pilot per year as at today 2015.

SAAF jets have flown ZERO combat mission since you purchased them 7 years ago. NO proof your air force can win a real life war.

NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in 6 months .

SAAF should be ranked number 20 in Africa
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jln115:
There were almost 50 SAAF Air and Ground crew at Lion Effort 2012.

Yes, almost 50 SAAF spectators watching the show from the ground
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saengine:
Extra Lion Effort 2012 pics.
P.S more than 6 Gripen pilots took part. And not all 2 Squadron pilots went to Sweden for the exercise.

https://i.imgur.com/jIaNz.jpg

https://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Campaigns/Lion%20effort/ZA_pilots_440x277.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HnD5f.jpg

First photo...ground crew NOT pilots.

Other photos give NO proof they are Gripen pilots, NO proof they flew in Lion Effort exercise 2012, NO proof they are combat qualified today 2015 with 250 flying hours each.

These are just normal Southie photo club military men posing as if they can do what they cannot do, ask a real SAAF pilot to shoot down a Pigeon now and he will miss target, bunch of military failures
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patches689:
1. Who said BH is defeated?
2. Who said it was SAN?
3. We have been here taring your sh1t apart like usual

Dont talk to us about failure when you allowed 6,500 of your people to be slaughtered, another 1,5 million displaced and then had to rely on South African Mercenaries to win your war for you.

You see- South Africans have done in months what your military could not do in years.

Whose flag flies in every state in Nigeria?

Whose soldiers carry rifles about in champion mode, jubilantly celebrating victory in every town in NE Nigeria?

Who is conducting nationwide elections and selecting rulers for every district and village in Nigeria?

Whose policemen enforce law on the streets of Nigeria?

Whose navy is called STÜPID by it's own people?

Whose navy has the worst gun shooting record in Africa?

Whose blue water navy has gunners that perform below skill level of Rhino poachers in Kruger park?


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patches689:
1. Who said BH is defeated?
2. Who said it was SAN?
3. We have been here taring your sh1t apart like usual

Dont talk to us about failure when you allowed 6,500 of your people to be slaughtered, another 1,5 million displaced and then had to rely on South African Mercenaries to win your war for you.

You see- South Africans have done in months what your military could not do in years.

Whose flag flies in every state in Nigeria?

Whose troops carry rifles about in champion mode in every town in Nigeria?

Who is conducting elections and selecting rulers for every district and village in Nigeria?

Whose policemen enforce law on the streets of Nigeria?

Whose navy has the worst gun shooting record in Africa.

Whose blue water navy has gunners that perform below skill level of Rhino poachers in Kruger park?


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Bwahahaha

Our South African friends have gone into partial hiding in the past 4 days, why? Simple, Nigeria has finally won the war by defeating Boko Haram. Shout African navy Valour frigate gunners failed simple shooting war drill by failing to hit an easy target floating on the sea

So our Southie friends are so embarrassed they hardly comment on this forum again, except to come and throw some anger plus insults around.

These guys have no guts and courage at all o ! Do you know how much undeserved ridicule and 2 years of mockery we Nigerians tolerated here on behalf of the Nigerian army that has achieved what American army plus British army failed to achieve in 13 years Afghanistan war?

Come back now, please come back here and celebrate your 3 FAILURE MAGNET armed forces of South Africa....don't deny your soldiers in their time of normal and constant failure in military performance, you guys should be used to SANDF failures and incompetence by now, come on, be like men !
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patches689:
Where in the artical does it say SAN?

Headline <Content

Headline = Summary of content
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patches689:
Where does it say it was the SAN?

Not even the navy cheif can confirm - how do you know more than he does?

And, btw, you should read the artical - before i give you a hot pepper sauce enema (clue: radar)

Surely confirmed it's Mandela's over-priced blue water navy
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MikeCZAR:
The whole story is just not well reported by our anti-SANDF media houses.

jln115:
"anti-SANDF media houses:

Naa... wouldnt say anti-SANDF, you have to remember only bad news in SA sells, its like this for all departments.

Oh really ? So you South Africans now talk about "Bad news sells" LOL

For the past 2 years, BBC, AFP, VOA, CNN, New York Times, Aljazeera, Sahara Reporters etc have published so much bad news and false news about Nigeria army in Boko Haram war, 2,000 died in Baga, Nigerian soldiers are running like cowards, Chad's army is saving Nigeria, Cameroon is rescuing Nigerian army, Niger Republique is doing most of the fighting, Mercenaries are flying Nigerian air force jet fighters and helicopter gunships....blah blah blah...it was all sweet music in your ears and you played them like new CDs of music on this forum....

Now your own homeland news media say South African navy cannot shoot straight and you say it's published by anti-SANDF media.

So was BBC, VOA, CNN not publishing anti-Nigerian army news media reports....that you sang and danced to in melody here ?

Oh my God....payback time o !

....but this one is true report, South African navy gunners cannot shoot straight even with the help of radar guided 76mm gun

SANDF + SAAF + SAN = 3 FAILURE MAGNETS

Below are comments from military forums inside South Africa !!!
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jln115:
Dude! what is so difficult to understand about how conscript armies work?

Every Young man in South Africa had to do minimum of 2 years conscription

after that they can do what ever they like,and if you dont, you go to jail as simple as that.My Dad had to do his conscription in the 80s as well.

Every young man including the mentally and physically unfit for service, the medically unfit for service, the whites, blacks, coloured, etc, every young man in South Africa....yet the same men like Eben Barlow and others, many others claim they were in the same 4,000 troop deployement for all the years of the same war, they were not discharged from military service until Mandela came to power.

SADF had so much men and yet Cuba almost encircled your army, and yet the majority of the SADF was black Namibians, Zimbabwe-Rhodesians, Angolans-UNITA sympathizers, Mozambicans-RENAMO sympathizers, they all filled up the position of larger numbers of SADF in Angola, the whites were very very few and were mostly officers....

Phantom white conscripts, fake battalions and brigades that never got to battle zone 1,000 km away from home.

SADF troops inside Angola that did the real fighting was FULL OF FOREIGN WHITE AND BLACK MERCENARIES

The SADF 32 battalion consisted of around 600 riflemen and NCOs (non-commissioned officers) (mostly Angolan nationals associated with the former FNLA) and mainly South African officers, although commissioned military personnel from countries such as Australia, Rhodesia, Portugal and the United States were active with the battalion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_%28South_Africa%29
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patches689:
Agustus

SADF was a conscript army

4000 did their tour of duty. They then leave the army.

The next batch get conscripted and sent in.

Really ? The whole 4,000 troops leave SADF army every 6 months and become civilians?

Dismissed, retired, discharged, sacked from the army after few months in Angola war zone ?

How soon do you train the new inexperienced soldiers and jet fighter pilots in 6 months to take over from the dismissed 4,000 troops?

We saw Colonel Eben stayed in SADF all throughout the years of Angola war, he was in military service until Mandela became president and retired him.

@Patches....you are a first class fraudster like every other South African citizen!
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DieVluit:
That Chad has embarrassed Nigeria. That Chad is deemed to be the best military in the region. That Nigeria is ask but absent.

Chad and Nigeria are not in the same region, Nigeria is West African, Chad is Central African.

Chad has embarrassed itself, the so called 'best military' in the region has NO air force

Nigeria flew 100 % of the air war with 6,000 sorties including 3,000 combat sorties.

All the towns 'liberated' by Chad had been softened up by massive NAF air bombardment from December 2014 to January 2015 demolishing almost all the heavy weapons of Boko Haram before Chad and MNJTF were allowed to go in February and mpo up what was left of a battered Boko Haram wrecked by 3,000 air to ground attack sorties of Nigerian air force.

The only attempt by Chad to do air combat with it's mercenary European air force pilots ended in disaster with the broad daylight error bombing that killed 30 innocent civilians in Niger Republic.

Yes, to the mentally ill and psychologically deranged, Chad had the 'best military' in the region.

DieVluit:
How does this post change the fact that Chad did and does a lot of the heavy lifting. That Chad has embarrassed Nigeria. That Chad is deemed to be the best military in the region. That Nigeria is ask but absent.

How does this change the fact that the Nigerian military is clearly pathetic?

It's rather pathetic that all the 'Heavy Lifting' labours of Chad + Niger Republic + Cameroon = 10 %

Labour of Nigeria alone = 90%

Nigeria did 9 times the combat effort of 3 other countries all combined together.

Means Nigeria alone = African Union, AU.

Egypt is calling Nigeria to come fight ISIS, the Egyptians don't even know that Chad and South Africa exists as both countries ruined their military history with the failure to stop Seleka rebels and bring total peace to Central African Republic.

Egyptian military does not want to work with FAILURE MAGNETS like the SANDF that cannot shoot at a single wide open big target and score one single hit with modern radar guided 76mm heavy gun !
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patches689:
Was the enemy armed with any modern equipment?

Have you faced integrated air-defence networks? VLS and artillery barrages? Engaged in Brigade sized armoured battles? Air assault? Enemy jet aircraft?

You have not fought any modern war

America uses F-18 jets and cruise missiles, as well as composite armour tanks, artillery, Apache, Predator missile drones against mere illiterate insurgents that have no uniform. Israel uses the great Makerva tanks and F-16 jets with PGM against local Hamas fighters that have no uniform.

IRA has no uniform but brought Britain's military to her knees for 27 years. An enemy is a killer once he has weapons.

Cuban weapons were all vintage 1960s to 1980s weapons used by teenagers, boys and girls from cuba with NO WAR EXPERIENCE, your SADF was beaten up by girls from Cuba !

T-55 tank and MiG-21 are vintage weapons, MiG-23 flown by teenage pilots all rookies from tiny Cuba.

At the end, South Africa almost lost the war and begged United Nations to arrange peace negotiations.

What's the boast about a war SADF failed to win?

Nigeria won ALL her wars from 1967 to 2015.....South Africa has NEVER won any war fighting alone !
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patches689:
20 000 X 25 years =

The only joke here is that Nigeria has never fought a modern war against a uniformed opponent

SADF had 4,000 troops at frontline, rotating then every 6 months or 3 months means another 4,000 troops go in and you recycle the two groups, maximum is 4,000 + 4,000 = 8,000 men that saw war.

Fact still remains that at any point in time ONLY 4,000 SADF troops are deployed in battle.

If you count rotation for Nigeria, means about 60,000 troops fought Boko Haram war. Can SADF history match that in modern times?

Uniformed opponent, yes Nigeria fought Biafra that had soldiers uniform, ranks, officers with military training from Britain's world class military academies, national currency, national bank, national court, university, army, navy, air force
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DieVluit:
Nigeria absent in the fight against Boko Haram

http://nyti.ms/1M9CvPs

The war has ended dude. All those Boko stories are now irrelevant. War is over , people just voted in elections yesterday.

Please fins another topic....your navy cannot shoot a mere fishing boat....they missed target 3 times
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14:
https://www.nairaland.com/2223442/boko-haram-beheads-23-people

MduZA:
Nigeria is a terrible country...

Try this one....
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Msauza:
15 KILLED IN NIGERIAS POLLS.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gunmen-kill-15-nigeria-during-tense-election-n331871

ABUJA, Nigeria -- Boko Haram extremists killed 41 people, including a legislator, and scared hundreds of people from polling stations but millions voted across Nigeria Saturday in the most closely contested presidential race in the nation's history.

All the Boko Haram attacks took place in northeastern Nigeria, where the military Friday announced it had cleared the Islamic extremists from all major centres, including the headquarters of their so-called Islamic caliphate.

Nearly 60 million people have cards to vote, and for the first time there is a possibility that a challenger can defeat a sitting president in the high-stakes contest to govern Africa's richest nation.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boko-haram-kills-41-disrupting-elections-as-millions-vote-in-nigeria-1.2301714

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jln115:
Not even during the border war did we deploy more than 3000 soldiers, and we deployed Gripen jets,and Rooivalk attack helicopters during peace keeping missions.

Border war only 4,000 SADF men fought.....over 20 years ago

During peace keeping missions, South Africa has NEVER deployed artillery, tanks and jet fighters in your history, NEVER !

When it come to real war, SANDF is a joke, your navy men are jokes too....cannot shoot straight
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patches689:
Where has Nigeria ever fought a modern war?

We just finished one with guided missile armed drones, and long range radar/thermal imaging aircraft...and we won ! Shame on you

Nigeria is the first African country to use these types of modern equipment in war, even mighty Egypt has never tried it yet !
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jln115:
And our soldiers see enough combat during peace keeping missions

Where did South Africa ever deploy 5,000 soldiers with artillery, tanks, and jet fighters in a peace keeping mission ? Iraq or Afghanistan ?

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rka1:
You can deny all you want. We know, and you know it was the South African Navy. They now know simulation is different from real life.

When a web based internet military like SANDF decides to leave it's online style and go offline into real live operations, this kind of disaster is the result. They seem not to know their area of military strength lies basically in photography and demo videos.

SANDF should just stick to what they are good at, and image maker @THIZA will be doing business as usual
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jln115:
Thanks for the screen-grab mate! you proved my point, nowhere in that article those it state it was a SAN ship

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Unfortunately it does, the headline boldy reads :

SANDF warship accidentally shoots at fishing boat

http://ewn.co.za/2015/03/27/SANDF-warship-accidentally-shoots-at-a-fishing-boat

See the bold red arrow and red box in the photo screenshot pointing at your m.oronic navy's head

NO ESCAPE O ! ....SANDF + SAAF + SAN = 3 FAILURE MAGNETS
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Msauza:
We do not have overhyped blue water navy, we have blue water capable navy, the only one in sub-saharan Africa....

.....the only one in sub-saharan Africa that CANNOT shoot straight and hit target

South Africans = Failure magnets

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patches689:
The vessel was a 22m meter speed boat - not a big target
Who said it was the SAN?

According to your argument, the Russian Navy is incompetant

You are a joke

Nope, you are the joke :


(1) Those two videos you compare are WRONG !

The first is NOT American navy, it is a mere civilian coastguard cutter firing.

The second is an unidentified Russian water security vessel NOT said to be navy, so NOT navy until proved....and that Russian ships is a damn old vessel with obsolete guns. All those videos are old aged films from many decades of years back.

South African navy prides itself in modern sea vessels......so you over bloated your ego with the noise about "SANDF is modern with sophisticated radar guided powerful guns".

(2) A vessel 22m size about the same size as a Nigerian navy Shaldag gunboat is a BIG TARGET O !

Thanks for confirming that South African navy gunners CANNOT hit target on a Nigerian navy gunboat, so our navy will sink your ships then !

Your over hyped blue water navy CANNOT hit a brown water vessel

SAN is a joke


(3) Russian video of sea men playing ? American civilian coastguard? Who cares? This thread is for African military forces, and we don't give a fvck about western water guards here.

Lets talk about Africa, stay on topic.

Now you want to excuse a South African military failure by comparing American navy? Really ?

Remember that for the [ast two years in Nigeria's Boko Haram war, on this forum if we say America is failing to stop terrorism in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen.....Israel is failing to wipe out Hamas in Gaza, Pakistan a nuclear power is failing to stop terrorism at home even today....You block your ears and refuse to listen or compare foreign nations, you focus all your ridicule and scream of incompetence on Nigeria, as if
America, Kenya, etc are not failing to stop terrorism.

Now your own incompetent South African navy is a big failure at home and CANNOT shoot a simple gun on target, then you want to use American examples to justify your own SAN incompetence in combat drills ? NO.....NO.....NO !!! This forum is for African military alone.

South African navy is now on the table for open yansh azz examination.....and we see all your navy's shiiit

You claimed to have sank a NATO naval fleet in war games with your SAN submarine without firing any weapons, sure if you fired your torpedoes, all will miss target and that NATO fleet will retaliate with ASW helos and sink your incompetent sailors and submarine .

South African Navy Mumus that cannot handle simple naval gun wants to handle naval torpedoes.....you will FAIL !

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patches689:
[size=13pt]The Department of Defence’s 2013/14 annual report noted that the SAAF flew a total of 18 454 hours, or 87.65% of the planned flying hours for the year ending March 31. Of the targeted 6 300 force employment hours that were planned, only 4 471 were actually flown as “the requirements of force employment were less than predicted.”
https://militaryaviationnews./2014/11/06/saaf-operationally-stretched-saaf-flying-fewer-hours/

From your own Source!! How many hours does Nigeria fly??

Thats 49 hours per day! That means that 2 SAAF aircraft are in the air 24/7 [/size]

[size=16pt]Bwahahaha, those are NOT combat hours dude, SAAF flies mostly VIP transport for ANC political dictators ruling you like goats

Those hours reported included ceremonies like Mandela's funeral

South African air force is a civilian airline using military aircraft.....read :


"These issues come after years of grumbling from pilots, who said they lacked fuel and ammunition for routine exercises, and left for Australia, New Zealand and other destinations in droves. Funding is not available for essentials, the Air Force has been required to provide R50m (£3.4m) to fly government VIPS around the country and on foreign jaunts. “The South African Air Force are in danger of being reduced to an airborne taxi service for VIPs," said DA defence spokesman, David Maynier.

http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2013/07/south-africas-military-meltdown"

#ShowUsSAAF CombatSorties
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Msauza:
SA IS NOT INTO WAR WITH ANYONE. WE HAVE A LEGAL TREATY WITH CUBAN GOVERNMENT.

Cuban mercenaries control SANDF's engineering corps on your own homeland spoil, inside your army bases !

If it's this bad for you in peace time, worse will happen when you go to war.

Cuba forces trains SANDF at home

http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/cuban-force-helps-sandf-build-technical-capacity

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/Cuban_mechanics_400x300_Guy_Martin.jpg

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Msauza:
Boko Haram is dead, caliphates destroyed.

SA mercenaries defeated Boko Haram 40 times in 40
days in 40 towns....new world military combat
record, American and British armies have not yet
achieved anything close to SA mercenaries' new level. This week America announced plans to withdraw all
troops from Yemen before terrorists cut American
soldiers into pieces .
Israel, owner of the best army in the world is saluting
SA mercenaries for setting a new war record
......modern day blitzkrieg !
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Just like the Cuban soldiers hired into your army by SANDF....

A handful of South African PMC men found only one job in Nigeria's Boko Haram war....Motor mechanics et al
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Msauza:
WHATEVER THAT YOU SAID IS UNDOUBTEDLY ABSURD. SANDF LITERALLY CHANGED THE FACE OF SELEKA, THAT WAS NOT EVEN SANDF, IT WAS JUST 200 SA ARMY SOLDIERS.

BOKO HARAM CONTINUALLY DEFEATED OVER 60 000 NIGERIAN SOLDIERS WHO WERE DEPLOYED IN THE N.E UNTIL YOUR PRESIDENT CAME RUNNING TO SA TO ASK HELP FROM MERCENARIES.

Dude, are you in a village with candlelight and no CNN news?

Boko Haram is dead, caliphates destroyed.

Nigerian military defeated Boko Haram 40 times in 40 days in 40 towns....new world military combat record, American and British armies have not yet achieved anything close to Nigeria's new level. This week America announced plans to withdraw all troops from Yemen before terrorists cut American soldiers into pieces .

Israel, owner of the best army in the world is saluting Nigerian army for setting a new war record ......modern day blitzkrieg !
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