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Patchesagain:
[size=14pt]I love how Augugbugugug has conceded that Nigeria is 66 years behind South Africa in Ground search radar!!

See how quickly he changed the topic!![/size]

[size=16pt] How ?

We have RASIT ground surveillance radar and is modern

We have telescopic TV battlefield cameras, 2015 purchase and modern

We have Shilka that detect ground target.

Show me an SANDF equipment with radars to match our 46 units of Roland and Shikas.

Show me dozens of SANDF ground surveillance telescopic mast cameras to match our own ultra-modern 2015 versions.

Don't turn arguments into a joke and comedy when you lose, be bold and accept defeat like a man
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andrewza:
You do know we build radars. We built the Ratel observer so please we have as any as we need.

Like you have ZERO Mokopa in service ?

You do not have unlimited supply of equipment, Ratel engine is imported from Europe, you DO NOT build it.

Europe stopped DENEL from building any Rooivalk helicopter for a new customer by refusing to export vital components to DENEL, and the contract of sale was lost by South Africa. That led to the final closure of Rooivalk helicopter production factory FOREVER !

You build a few, you have limited capacity, you cannot build ALL YOU NEED....Europe controls South African weapons production with their supply of engines, ammunition, and electronics.

You have ONLY ONE RATEL WITH SEARCH TV CAMERA.....finish !
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Patchesagain:
Those 50 are not ground search.

What are the combined radiu's of each system? Break it down for us, show us how you came to your conclusion.

That 70364 sq km is just the Air-Ground search of our 14 Thales Squire Systems.

Do you want me to work out the combined total of our air-search systems?

Also, without a data-link and without systems fusion you cannot accuratly moniter across all systems - you cannot see the entire airspace at once.

With our data-link every single system is intergrated - a commander can see the whole airspace on one screen.

Hey dude, SANDF does NOT have data-link integrated on 100% of equipment. Gripen jet, etc ....yes....all radars and equipment...NO !

Prove it !

We don't need to climb hills to use radar, we have vehicle mounted radars that detect ground targets.

Shilka picks flat ground targets from 7 km to 20 km, and all elevated target on hills and buildings from 1km to 20 km.

Yes, a shilka will detect land enemy, it is uses as a ground combat weapon my many countries today, shilkas fire on ground target.

We will use shilka radar to detect your 14 toy radars hiding in bushes and hills and we will turn 4 barrel 23 mm cannon fire on them with devastating consequences, ALL your SANDF radars will be destroyed because they have ZERO armour and ZERO guns to defend themselves.

GAME OVER !
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Patchesagain:
2 fixed, 2 deployable
http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/-and-logistics-wizards-the-saafs-mobile-deployment-wing-2012-04-13

Deployable is NOT = Self Mobile.

All ground radars in this world are deployable by carrying them from city to city by heavy duty truck or aircraft transport.

Nigeria too has many 500 km range radars fixed anjd deployable like your own.

Show me photo of SANDF 500 km radar self mobile on it's own factory install vehicle like a RASIT radar
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patches689:
So, we have established that SANDF can cover an area of 70364 square kilometers with state-of-the-art nearly invisible ground search radar and targeting systems.

Nigerian radars are about 50, all mobile and on armour. We will cover land area of Scotland, not your own imaginary 70364 sq km.

A 50 km range radar will cover only about 2,000 km in 360 degree mode.
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patches689:
Our mobile air radar will set up a massive 500km air umbrella for each system

SANDF 500 km range radar is NOT mobile, I proved that months ago from defence web, it's a fixed ground radar in your city
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patches689:
14 toy radars that have longer range than your 2 radars

14 toy radars that cannot be detected unlike your two radars

14 toy radars that instantly send targeting info via datalink unlike your 2 radars

14 toy radars that together cover 70364 square kilometers with percision and undetectable ground search radar.

That means we can cover a country with an area of Sierra Leone, Ireland, Georgia or Sri Lanka with such radar.

Grow up, only a fool would say that their small size is somehow a bad thing.

14 toy radars that have no armour or self mobility....and no defensive weapon.

You try go near a Shilka or RASIT and see fire
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patches689:
Why are you changing the topic?

We are talking about how Nigeria is 66 years behind South Africa in terms of ground surveillance.

Not submarines.

Just telling you that not all equipment data is published on internet, unless you too can tell us data of your submarine radar.

You classify that, we too classify our land TV range because of Boko Haram, they don't know how far a range we can see them.

Nigerian army commanders are not fools .

patches689:
Shilka - air surveilance, not applicable to ground surveilance
Roland - air surveilance, not applicable to ground surveilance.

That is what we call an army, integrated control of entire battlespace, air search and ground search. The Army will face threat from air and land
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patches689:
Oh, so now its classified?

Convenient excuse

Can you even name the system?

And dont try to compare the classified nature of a multi million dollar submarine with a video-camera strapped to a civilian car.

Name the radar on SANDF submarine and tell us it's range !
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patches689:
Project Cytoon will see the gain 14 Thales Squire ground surveillance radars, 65 Thales Sophie thermal imagers, processors and communications equipment as part of a battlefield surveillance and mobile intelligence processing system.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=25861:cytoon-handed-to-the-army&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Bwhahaha

14 toy radars carried on foot by men walking

The Ratel surveillance is what I respected a bit, but you have ONLY ONE
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patches689:
What are the capabilities of your Toyota ground surveilance? Post it!

Classified data.

What is the radar range of your submarine? Post it
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patches689:
Ok, lets do some math.

The Thales surveilance radar has a max range of 40km, in a circular area.

We have 14.

Citation needed for 14 units
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patches689:
We have 14

Show proof, you have ONLY ONE Ratel until proved.

Nigeria has :

2 units RASIT.....40 km range

30 units Shilka.... 20 km range

16 units Roland.... 18 km range

Dozens of Toyota TV surveillance

We have over 70 vehicles for surveillance. You can NEVER match that number ! We rule battle space !
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patches689:
I can see just fine.

Pic related - your own source

20km max detection range for vehicals and helicopters

See the right hand side of the same page ....blind man

On that same web link.....

Figure 1: Armored reconnaissance radar “Rasit”
Description of the radar set, tactical-technical characteristics Описание; Основные тактико-технические характеристики (Базы данных)
Specifications
frequency: I–Band
pulse repetition time (PRT):
pulse repetition frequency (PRF):
pulsewidth (τ):
receive time:
dead time:
peak power: 3 kW
average power:
instrumented range: 40 km
range resolution:
beamwidth:
hits per scan:
antenna rotation: 1.5 rpm

http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/karte414.en.html

patches689:
How does this compare to a armored vehical with 20km vision that can provide instant firing solutions to artillery via data-link??

You dont even know the specifications of your own equipment!

You have ONLY one such vehicle.....that's a big problem for large battle space the size of Scotland like in Boko Haram war.

Nigeria has over 50 armoured vehicles all with radars, range from 20 km to 40 km, plus dozens of TV surveillance Toyotas, we spread battlefield surveillance everywhere.....land space as big as Scotland. Your SANDF will cover only one town alone, Mandela's village
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patches689:
FIRST:

You didnt read the link?

Your system:

The ground surveillance radar DR PT 2 “Rasit” was introduced on the armoured personnel carrier "fox" in the German Bundeswehr in 1986/87. It has a maximum detection range of about 8 000 m for pedestrians with military equipment, to about 20 000 m for vehicles and helicopters.
http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/karte414.en.html

[size=16pt]I think you have blind eye like your navy that cannot see target

On that same web link.....

Figure 1: Armored reconnaissance radar “Rasit”
Description of the radar set, tactical-technical characteristics Описание; Основные тактико-технические характеристики (Базы данных)
Specifications
frequency: I–Band
pulse repetition time (PRT):
pulse repetition frequency (PRF):
pulsewidth (τ):
receive time:
dead time:
peak power: 3 kW
average power:
instrumented range: 40 km
range resolution:
beamwidth:
hits per scan:
antenna rotation: 1.5 rpm

http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/karte414.en.html

Then other sources :

http://www.worldlibrary.org/articles/rasit


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saengine:
GTFOH with that outdated cra.p. I'm sure not one single soldier has seen that system since 30 years ago.


Please don't use the phrase "world class" anywhere near the word Nigeria. What is that UAE system used for? If its used to patrol borders for smugglers and illegal immigrants, then its not for "battlefield surveillence". Why isnt that truck in a military scheme?

Your mounting is of concern because your soft skin Hiluxes will be opened like a can of sardines.

Bwahahhaha

I shocked you. That 4x4 was at a city demo show, in war, they repaint to camo colour....Fool of Soweto, better shuut up before I cut more scars on your face....don't spoil your Easter party my friend !

I hear you say it's for immigration border patrol, LOL....the photo boldly says "ARMY-RECOGNITION." Soweto blocked-brain

Did you say out-dated ? Dubai/UAE is just buying it ! New technology for year 2015 modern day armies all over the world....like Nigeria.

See more, they are all over the world for modern armies, SANDF does NOT have it

SANDF does not know how modern war is fought !

"The Desert Wolf surveillance canopy has been developed so that it can be fitted to most 4x4 double cab vehicles. The Command and Control operator console boasts two 22” LED screens with single worktop and two seated operators."

http://www.desert-wolf.com/dw/products/surveillance-comms-4x4/surveillance-vehicles/scorpion-surveillance-canopy-on-standard-4x4-double-cab.html

PHOTO : SCORPION DESERT WOLF VERSION....ARMY COMMAND AND CONTROL / SURVEILLANCE ON TOYOTA HILUX 4x4
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patches689:
August 2014 Hungary announced it had sold 58 T-72s to Excalibur Defence Limited, which transferred them to the Czech Republic which in turn began transferring some to Nigeria.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38580:recent-nigerian-military-acquisitions&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Yeah - you only ordered 58 at most.

Fool, that is Czech republic order alone, Ukraine sold more T-72 tanks to Nigeria, even before the Czech order came, this forum has been flooded with many photos of Nigerian T-72 tanks from Ukraine.

You always said last year that Nigeria has NO SINGLE T-72 tanks....Ignorant mumu
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saengine:
This was a death blow. Im sure he's on the kitchen floor, holding himself in a ball and crying.

He came here posting Nigeria's system strapped to the back of a Hilux, thinking it would impress people. He was never ready.

Nope, look up at my post before your headless reply....you spoke too soon

By the way, world class armies uses Nigeria's type of field TV strapped on Hilux type of 4x4....fast , mobile, helicopter portable.

You don't know what a real life modern day battlefield looks like in South Africa, your army never deploys in big battle space...cowards

OIL RICH ARMY OF DUBAI/UAE SHOW; NIGERIA'S TYPE OF TV FOR BATTLEFIELD SURVEILLANCE TV

@saengine....photo below is death blow to your already battered ugly face

http://www.sat-comm.com/products-from-sat-comm-broadcast/wilburt-pneumatic-masts/
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patches689:
[size=13pt]How SANDF is 66 years ahead of Nigeria in ground surveilance!!

Ratel EAOS

Other elements of the system include a portable target acquisition system for dismounted artillery observers, a target acquisition RPV, datalinks between these systems and regimental and battery fire-control posts, ballistic software that runs on IBM-compatible PCs, a gun management system, a muzzle velocity analyser, a meteorological system and a rugged computer and data communication system.

This is a rebuild of an existing Ratel with its turret removed and a raised superstructure added to the rear of the driver's position. Pivoted either side of the hull is a hydraulically operated mast on top of which is a multisensor head which contains a day/night observation payload consisting of a three-in-one video camera for daytime acquisition, a long-range zoom and FLIR TV cueing, an Eloptro-developed FLIR and an Eloptro LH-31 laser range-finder with a video channel. This system provides accurate daytime observation to 20 km and night observation to 3.5 km.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1128.html


Project Cytoon will see the gain 14 Thales Squire ground surveillance radars, 65 Thales Sophie thermal imagers, processors and communications equipment as part of a battlefield surveillance and mobile intelligence processing system.

Thales Squire man-portable system, which was ordered for Cytoon, can plot a pedestrian at 10km, a vehicle at 21km, a tank at 28km, a helicopter at 21km, a boat at 12km and a ship at 48km, Thales avers. Because it uses a frequency modulated continuous wave Doppler radar, t[b]he Squire is also virtually undetectable to hostile electronic warfare experts, it adds.[/b]

The Thales Sophie can spot humans at over 4km, tanks at 10km, helicopters at 12km and jet fighters at 16km, Thales says.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=25861:cytoon-handed-to-the-army&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

The radar is integrated with automatic target classification facilities for persons, wheeled vehicles, tracked vehicles and helicopters, and cannot be detected by hostile electronic support measures (ESM) equipment and radar warning receivers.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/newssouth-african-army-receives-new-tactical-intelligence-system
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Nope, you have ONLY ONE Ratel IFV mounted battlefield surveillance TV.

Come back to us when you have 5 like Nigeria....we even have more than the 5 in photos.

All those radars you list there wasting your time, are short range toys....a 10 km radar is new to you? Village man.

We don't need long story, radar is all about detection and range, long story of it's electronic wiring and engineering construction is none of our business.

Long range ground search radar, Nigeria has mobile land and air RASIT with 40 km range.

Then our Shilkas are over 30 units, their radar tracks both ground and air targets with range 20 km .

Roland we have another 16 units with radar range up to 18 km .

50 radars already for Nigerian army, all mobile, all on armoured vehicles.

66 years ? SANDF and about on par in battlefield ground surveillance.

Then our own mobile TVs are latest models, your are old


"The ground surveillance radar DR PT 2 “Rasit” was introduced on the armoured personnel carrier. It has a maximum detection range of about 8 km for pedestrians with military equipment, to about 40 km for vehicles and helicopters.


Maximum speed: approx. 90 km/h
Operating range: approx. 800 km

Radar coverage: to 40 km

Crew: 4

Armament
1 Machine Gun 7.62 mm"

http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/karte414.en.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RASIT

Sorry man, I think you are confusing Nigerian army with Chad's rag tag obsolete army outdated to 1966 level.

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patches689:
You dont have 200 T-72's - you have less than 12

Bwhahahaha

Nigeria ordered 200 units of T-72.

Many have arrived, close to 100 maybe. The others are coming by sea shipment, not by air anymore.

A full shipload just arrived some days ago
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andrewza:
1 frigate and 1 submarine

That is the full operational arsenal and battle fleet of South African navy....nice confession
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patches689:
[size=13pt]I challenge you to provide specifications for your peasant equipment!!

Watch and see as I make you cry! [/size]

I see you crying already !

New equipment ? How will the public know? Even the new NAF Alpha jets from America, nobody has details.

Your challenge clearly display your envy, anger, and frustration !.....5 Vs 1

Nigeria leads in battlefield surveillance
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patches689:
Thats the same 3.

You really want to compare?

Our superior ground search radar + armored observation platforms are things you could only dream of.

Now, do you wish to compare stats?

Nope, 5 different vehicles in different locations and different clour or camouflage, also different army units/regiments.

SANDF has only one field surveillance Ratel.

Ground radar, Nigeria has Rasit vehicle.

10 PGM armed drones is way above the ZERO that SANDF records, you have NONE.

All Nigerian military arsenal is NOT yet known by public, we see them little by litte....Like the American Alpha jets able to fire PGM sold to NAF.

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jln115:
Nigeria only has 3 land cruiser, until you show more!

My pleasure.... Battlefield surveillance aplenty in Nigeria

Now show me more of your Ratels with battlefield surveillance, equal to that number
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patches689:
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Global firepower is now out-dated. Nigeria has got 200 T-72 tanks and air to surface missile drones, plus PGM enabled Alpha jets from America and BVR missiles on F-7 jets.

Balance of power has changed all over Africa
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patches689:
They arent warships.

They shoot better than Valour frigates.

They are warships buy design, had missiles and CIWS removed .

patches689:
LOL

WIKIPEDIA

Yes, new missile in the market, very rare to find full information, sources say data is NOT sufficient on AR-1
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patches689:
Who said we only have one?

Only one, unless you show us more !
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saengine:
Janes >>> Wikipedia.

And Janes shows that the other platform besides UCAV's was Chinese Helicopters. You on the other hand just pulled your own imaginary fantasy out your a.ss.

Again...tell us which Nigerian land platform can fire that missile. Foo.l

New missile with little info known about it, even Janes has no full details. Strange missile until China releases all data. New weapon, fool !
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saengine:
http://www.janes.com/article/49455/update-idex-2015-blue-arrow-9-further-expands-chinese-uav-weapon-options


"CASC unveiled its first UAV missile, the AR-1, in 2008. The semi-active laser-guided missile can be used with CASC's CH-3, CH-3A, and CH-4 UAVs, which a Chinese source at IDEX said have been sold to around 5-10 countries.While it has been test-fired 30-40 times, including from Chinese helicopters, the 8-10 km-range AR-1 is currently designed only for use with UAVs."


Errrr....which LAND platforms? Not one single land platform. No name, nothing. You f*cken fraud. You just keep making sh*t up. Give us the name of the Nigerian land platform which can fire AR-1 missiles. Damn fraud

You have a source, I too have a source, so what exactly is wrong with that? Na only you get source?

" However, the developer of the AR-1, the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASTC) has claimed that the AR-1 missile can also be carried by platforms other than a UCAV."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-10
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