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MikeCZAR:
Nigeria lacks communication systems to fire missiles on the ground out of line of sight.

Bwahhahahaha

Nigeria now has long range battlefield surveillance and target acquisition Video-TV-Cameras....plenty of them.

Likely another first in Africa by Nigerian army !

NA will see SANDF for real, not radar lines and dots, real video images of your army far away.....Then we send artillery to cremate you !

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MikeCZAR:
It is a air to ground missile so NAF can't deploy it in a contested air space.

Actually it's SAAF that cannot deploy in contested air space, F-7 jets have BVR missiles, Gripen has just over half our range.

NAF kills SAAF from 35 km away with PL-9C BVR missile.

We rule the air, Drones kill SANDF.

CH-3 Drones have TV guidance and CANNOT be jammed
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MikeCZAR:
Like how they won't mention their defeat at the Lomba river, they were now in defence.
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Cuban teenagers pose for photos with captured SADF Olifant tanks, question is, where are your soldiers that drove the tank ?

SADF ran Olympic race and abandoned main battle tanks

Seleka war Gecko vehicle abandonment style and Olympic foot/car race to airport did not just start yesterday o !

[img]http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/Olifant3.jpg[/img]
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saengine:
Ingwe is highly resistant to counter - measures, and smoke being the most basic of those counter -measures. Your tanks will be turned into scrap metal.

What platform can AR-1 missile be fired from? They are limited to UAV's.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-29527/


"Wessels said the Ingwe can now be fired from both land vehicles and helicopters - including Denel's Rooivalk combat support helicopter. 

The Ingwe IPLS can engage stationary and moving targets at ranges from 200 metres up to 5 000 metres. It is a laser-guided beam-riding system is virtually undetectable and highly resistant to countermeasures."

Every good missile is resistant to counter measure, yet smoke will kill laser guidance. Fact of science !

T-72 smoke defence will block off Ingwe laser guidance and your ATGM goes blind.

AR-1 range 10 km

Ingwe range 5 km

Yes, our ATGM drones will kill your Ratels and their Ingwe will be used to add fuel to their flames for roasting
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patches689:
here is an entire compilation of T-72's getting wrecked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocuNOw8iw2Q

Same way SANDF OLifant tanks will be wrecked by the same Tow Missile

T-72 has combat experience 100 times more than Olifant or Centurion tanks.

Cuban teenage boys demolished SANDF Olifant tanks and captured some for photograph display...

Cry baby cry SANDF.....teenage Cuban boys jolly ride your Olifant tanks in battle

"On February 14, 1988 the SADF and the UNITA begin the second heavy attack to the Cuito Cuanavale defenses, with forces sized in three SADF and six UNITA battalions, supported by more of 100 armored vehicles of various types, among them 40 Olifants Tanks. By this superiority of forces, they achieve to break the defense of the 59° Angolan Brigade. To cover this place were urgently thrown the unique 8 T-55 Cubans in movement in Cuito, by the command of the lieutenant colonel Héctor Aguilar. They stop the South African, destroying 10 Olifants. The remainder of the Olifants retires behind march."

http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/Tanques3-e.html

[img]http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/Olifant3.jpg[/img]
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patches689:
First, why are you comparing it to the Oliphant? We are planning on replacing it in anycase, now a peice by peice analysis.

Ordinary T-72 main gun will demolish your Olifant tanks, not to even talk of Nigerian AR-1 anti-tank missiles
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EVarn:
lol.abi na,i just wanted to hear both the advantages and disadvanges of the T72 MBT,and what better place to hear about the disadvantages of the T72 than from a rival south african?
I will form my opinion when i analyse all available reports.

T-72 tank has 3 types.

1st generation with ordinary steel armour.... easy to defeat with HEAT shells

2nd generation with reactive armour.....hard to defeat with HEAT shells

3rd generation with mixed armour including some composite armour....almost impossible to defeat. This version is very rare among T-72 tanks

T-72 disadvantages :

It lacks 3rd generation composite armour and self protection against enemy anti-tank missiles.

T-72 advantages include :

Powerful 125 mm main gun instead of the 105 mm weaker main gun on SANDF Olifant tanks.

Speed compared to it's generation.

Semi-amphibious capabilities compared to SANDF Olifant tanks.

Long travel range, extra fuel.

Reactive armour or ERA that most shells and some anti-tank missiles in this world cannot penetrate.

T-72 tank has NEVER been defeated in war by any tank in it's own class of 2nd generation.

T-72 tank demolished British made Chieftain tanks in Iran-Iraq war, and the combat record of the T-72 is excellent.

The only loss in war was T-72 tanks 1st generation versions of Iraq against American 3rd generation Abrams tanks with composite armour, why not? It's 1st generation vs 3rd generation, like a MiG-21 Vs MiG-29 jet. Who will win? Newer generation for sure !
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patches689:
Why are you changing the topic so desperatly?

Nope, the sea argument is over, you lost at sea. i am now back to land to slay @saengine there too

saengine:
Yeah. You'll be nice and safe inside the tank. No need to worry.

Ratel IFV fires Ingwe anti tank.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t58VFhCvgw

Ingwe missile gets defeated by T-72 smoke launch.

Nigeria has new anti-tank missiles with 10 km range , that is double your Ingwe 5 km short range

You just get your SANDF roasted for Easter dinner, better go fight Lesotho or Burundi.....avoid Nigeria o !
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patches689:
The beach is shallow. People can stand there.

The sea is deep. People cannot stand there.

I know black people dont like swimming, but sh1t man, you should at least go down and see what a beach is.

What water is on the beach, tap water or sea water ? Fool
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patches689:
T-64 sorry - i often make that mistake.

You lie often ....that's the real reason
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andrewza:
That's not the sea. It is the beach. There is a difrence.

Okay, the beach is cut off from the sea and dropped inside your bath tub at home ? Fool
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andrewza:
One check the longest confirmed kill by a tank.

A navel gun may not be accurate at range. But it fires fast. Those 3 shots where all in the air before the first even hit the ground. So the odds of hitting are far higher.

SAN Valour frigate gunners are all incompetent.....you will always miss target....Rhino poachers shoot better than your blue water navy
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patches689:
Yes i am asking you

Answer the very simple question : Are you saying tanks can float?

You say it's a very simple question.....yet you cannot answer it, you need my help.....you so dumb ? Southie dumbo ?
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patches689:
First, you said T-72 - meaning YOUR T-72

Quote me where I said a Nigerian T-72 tank....Angola has T-72 tanks in your backyard there near your house
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patches689:
Are you saying MBT's float?

Are you asking me ?

Dummy....can't you google search as usual ?

Sorry I wrecked your Easter day

patches689:
16000 meters with standard ammunition

http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/Oto-Melara-76mm-compact-super-rapid.htm

Lol - wrecked your sh1t with ease

Thats max range for area effect - which is what you use for shore bombardment

[b]8km precision and effective range is still more than 4X the range of a T-72

Nope, you wrecked yourself. I said effective range is 8 km.

16 km is area effect with ZERO precision and plenty of missing a tiny target like a tank.

Then according to your own web link source I am very correct....

" Ammunition:
HE (high explosive) - 6,296kg / Range 16km / effective range 8km (4km vs. air targets at elev. 85°). "

http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/Oto-Melara-76mm-compact-super-rapid.htm

...a tank is a damn small target, if you fire in area range, you miss....SAN missed Mr.Day's boat 3 times fired 3 times missed target

The T-72 will return fire and a ship is a huge massive target....SAN warship and incompetent sailors get sunk
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saengine:
I love how he ignores the question. Is THIS T-72 tank in the picture below (that YOU originally posted) floating or not? Yes or No? You claimed that this is how you would fire at us, commander even out of the turret. Is this tank floating or not? Yes or No?

I was never in debate about floating tanks, DO NOT divert attention away from your defeat....

Main battle tanks do sea operations.....they snorkel in deep ocean, they can sink a frigate 4km away, those are the original arguments.

I won....3 Southies screwed on Easter day
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patches689:
So will the T-72 sail at the Valour Class like Mr Days fishing boat? How do you know how far away he was?

Valour Class gun range is 16,000 m with HE-PFF

SAN Valour frigate has no such ammunition, you have basic HE imported from Italy with your Italian 76mm gun, range effective is 8 km
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patches689:
Max aimed range for the T-72 is 2km

A frigate is a big target, at 4 km the off point of a T-72 gun will still hit a huge frigate.

T-72 tanks also fire 5km range guided missiles.

You think I am posting comments from youtube? No, it's real war scenario I have in my mind
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patches689:
Why would the Valour class come within 2km of land or the enemy fleet?

It can engage with its main gun from 16-20km away and from 70km away with missiles.

Mr. Day's fishing boat was not 16 km away.

Again Valour frigate main gun effective range is only 8 km.....fool.....not 16 km to 20 km.....fool

You want to fire Exocet missile on a tank ?

Then SAN cannot shoot straight at a fishing boat as we see Mr.Day alive and well on Easter Friday
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patches689:
Why would the Valour class come within 2km of land or the enemy fleet?

It can engage with its main gun from 16-20km away and from 70km away with missiles.

Why would it come in close?

....because war is not always fought at long range. 4km is far beyond human eyesight identification of targets. Tanks will shoot that far
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saengine:
Lmao! "Dumped into the sea"

Yes....the forum is laughing at you now...

saengine:
Main battle tanks do not do sea operations.

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patches689:
No - you said those were pictures of MBT's floating around in the ocean. They arent. They are IFV's and a light tank (IFV derivative)

Derivative my foot.

IFV is NOT = light tank.

Tank is tank. Light, medium, heavy, tank = tank
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patches689:
Why would a frigate go 2km to the shore?

Especially if enemy units were present?

Where else will a frigate go if not to where the enemy is ?

You think war is the sea jamboree in South Africa where Mr. Day's fishing boat is the enemy ?

Fool

A frigate from South African navy will engage the enemy warships if the enemy is landing on your shores. The enemy fleet has frigates, your frigate will go challenge them.

Pity that SAN Valour frigates cannot shoot straight, they get sunk by tanks
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patches689:
First - that isnt a T-72
Second - that isnt a main battle tank
Third - This is your first pic of the Type 63A, all others you posted were of ZBD2000 IFV's

So, apart from completely changing your argument, and now contradicting yourself. You cannot even properly identify military vehicals?

Nope, my first 3 photos this morning included the Type 63 tank, and that is what I intend to post, google may bring random images on a single search, but I started this morning with photo of 5 Type 63 tanks with red flags flying on them, go back up page and see my first posts.

I have also shown Heavy Abrams tanks with snorkels dumped into the sea, and it is heavier than a T-72.

My point is proved, heavy tanks do battle at sea up to snorkel level, and if enemy warships appear, they will fire and sink it from 4 km far distance away.

PROVED !
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patches689:
Remeber this is where it all started

A T-72 will snorkel out into the ocean and sink a valour class.

If a Valour frigate is in the battle space of an amphibious operation, yes, from 4km away near shore in the waters, a T-72 will sink a distant Valour frigate in the deep ocean, frigates do go 2 km to the shore, that is deep deep water !
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patches689:
A military researcher who cannot identify a ZBD2000 IFV

You mock yourself with your own posts

I told you to leave the military researcher issue or else I keep rubbing mud in your face on Easter Friday.

My photo is Type 63A Light Amphibious tanks.

You DO NOT know difference between tank and IFV....Soweto mumu, messed up Friday

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/type_63a.htm

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andrewza:
So. That's not the point. You are shifting the goal post non stop.

Nope, that is EXACTLY the point.....tanks do sea war operations, they ford or snorkel from ocean to beach land.

saengine:
Main battle tanks do not do sea operations.

I have defeated 3 South Africans in one argument, please go home and lick y.our wounds
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patches689:
So you are now saying that tanks float?

Btw, thats an IFV and not a T-72

And yes, in order to cross rivers, tanks will have to fully submerge if the water is deeper than the tank.

These photos are tanks NOT IFV....or else I will make this forum mock you for not knowing a tank from and IFV

Keep asking me if I am a military researcher....empty barrel
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andrewza:
Only tanks that are amphibious are light tanks like the PT76. There armour is so thin it can be penetrated by light cannons or HMG fire. To become amphibious you need to sacrifice weight witch means sacrificeing armour.

Heavy tanks with heavy armour get dumped into the ocean in amphibious landing and have to snorkel ashore from sea to land.

Those heavy M1A1 Abrams tanks in photo below are NOT amphibious tanks, they have huge snorkels at their backs.

You Southies should just accept defeat and stop baseless arguments, I have proved you wrong with photos and even @saengine has run away


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andrewza:
Why on God's green earth would a frigate be 4km close to shore In a war zone.

Escorting landing ships in amphibious ops

War is war. Expect the unexpected. See photo below. Navy Vs Navy in amphibious landing clash can bring a frigate to face a tank.

SANDF has NEVER done amphibious landing in her war history, come to Nigerian navy for lessons.....the only navy in Africa with that experience
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