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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:34pm On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
First you said that you could carry the Cobra has well

So now its only one LAV

Then you said it was the Hind and the M171

Now its only the M171

Your story keeps changing.

So you have one platform that can carry one LAV? So what?

This all goes back to your orignional point of argument: lack of standardization of nigerian military equipment. You have two types of LAV when you only need one?

SANDF has the capabilility and actually trains to perform us - show us Nigeria slinging one vehical under a helicopter. Your pilots and men dont know how to do it!

So, first

1. Explain why you need 2 LAV's (apart from the fact that your military is poorly designed and planned and has ended up with a disorganized mess)
2. Show us the Nigerian military training for "air-lift" capabilities.

And FYI - we do have a ULAV... its called the Hornet, look it up

I meant Mi-171 and Super Puma, we have two different types of armed combat helicopters that can carry our VBL LAV into battle where there is no airport to land.

Cobra LAV is carried by G-222 aircraft.

VBL is needed for helicopter air lift where there is no airbase to land an aircraft and our frontline troops need armoured amphibious vehicle delivered to them. SANDF is too 'standardized' to achieve that advanced capability.

Cobra is faster, carries more load and firepower than VBL, reason for having cobra too.

Reason why advanced NATO countries have recce LAV and combat LAV. The VBL is primarily an armed recce platform and can carry ATGM if needed. Its main edge is easy helicopter sling transport with our Super Puma and Terminator.

SANDF has NO SINGLE armoured amphibious LAV, the Hornet is a toy with open roof and body that CANNOT protect your soldiers from ordinary AK-47.

SANDF 'standardization' is a big lie to cover up your lack of special modern logistical and operational capabilities that we have in Nigerian military
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:53pm On Mar 26, 2015

saengine:
The number 18, is just that. 18. It says 18 Gripen aircrew (pilots and navigators) and 52 Hawk aircrew.
This is from September 2013. You are free to post the link which splits those 18 into 9 and 9.

All SAAF combat pilots fly far far and far below the standard hours for qualification. Sources repeated here many times from whistle blowers inside South Africa say the average Gripen jet pilot flies only about 10 % of required hours, 10 % score in any exam is enough failure to get you kicked out of University to go learn carpentry or tailoring
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:47pm On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
A-darter has been inducted
Stealth OPV bidding has finished today
Mokopa is not needed but ready for use.

A-Darter is NOT yet in service, NOT ordered , same way Mokopa is NOT ordered and NOT in service.

Your OPV bidding process is a mouth only talk show that is 10 years behind NAF JF-17 Thunder that has been chosen, tested, inspected, evaluated, recommended and awaiting only paper signature, budgeted for in cash and ALL DUE PROCESS COMPLETED

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:19pm On Mar 26, 2015

MikeCZAR:
How?

Set a scenario for us?

You start the simulation of air to air combat, NAF vs SAAF in a neutral airspace like say Ivory coast

I will reply you.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:56pm On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
Augustus

You lost a helicopter and a jet last year alone

NOT an F-7 jet. NAF pilots have mastered the F-7 jet and used it so fantastically in combat, that it will be a just like ordinary target practice to shoot down SAAF Gripen jets with our BVR missiles
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:07pm On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
Henry

With regards to the JF-17... Negotiations =/= Done Deal

The deal for Argentina to get the Gripen was reported as being cast in stone... now look at it.

When the papers are signed and the money transferred come talk to us.

Oh really ?

Okay, when SANDF has inducted A-Darter missile, inducted Mokopa missile, inducted new navy stealth OPVs, stop posting them here, get it ?
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:59pm On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
Henry

There is no evidence to support your 9 pilots and 9 navigators argument

It states 18 aircrew - that can be any combination of pilots and navigators.

Your numbers are nothing more than speculation

Proof is available and has been repeatedly posted on this forum many times, South African sources proved you have 9 pilots and 0 pilots qualified in standard 150 hours per year.

NO SINGLE combat pilot is qualified to fly Gripen jet in SAAF by international standards of qualification.

Your pilots just take off and land for ceremonies and air shows, that's all.

SAAF is totally dead, sorry o !

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:18am On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
Gripen is 1995 version?

Delivered from the mid-2000's?

Lol ok

Delivery date means NOTHING, your SAAF got the old 1995 Gripen C/D version and NOTHING more than that !

Brazil is buying the more modern Gripen E and Sweden is doing the same. Your SAAF Gripen C/D version is obsolescent since 20 years ago it was introduced into service, 20 year old version and obsolescent tongue

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:16am On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
Fact remains

If the Su30 is so good, why is India replacing it with the Rafale?

India has NOT bought one single Rafale till today, and they are NOT replacing Su-30, India is just spreading it's weapon procurement base to include both western and eastern origin to avoid crippling effect of arms embargo, like Pakistan is now doing same after F-16 political issues, Pakis now add Chinese JF-17 to their air force combat inventory list, or does that mean the JF-17 is replacing the F-16 ?

Use your head....oh sorry, your Southie nation produces world bottom level brains
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:53am On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
[size=13pt]NOPE[/size]

Hinds maximum external payload is 1,500 kg

VBL weighs 3.5 to 4 tonnes

M-171
Loaded weight: 11,100 kg (24,470 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,000 kg (28,660 lb)

Octokar Cobra weight 6200 kg

You dont have any LAV's you can transport by Helo's

Meanwhile the SANDF has vehicals that are easily air transportable and are the envy of Nigeria.

Yet another advantage the SANDF has over Nigeria!

Your helicopter is carrying an unarmed, open roof, slow speed, dry land only, zero armour protection Gecko vehicle and you call that an advantage grin

Fool, your air force can even carry Keke Marwa Tricycle instead of Gecko grin

NAF, I meant Mi-171 Terminator can carry VBL light armoured vehicles while

"The multifunctional cargo cabin has a length of 5.34m, width of 2.34m and a height of 1.8m. It provides enough internal space to carry 4,000kg of payload.

"The Mi-171Sh was specifically designed for operating in combat missions in local armed conflicts."
The helicopter can transport up to 4,000kg of cargo externally under sling. The main cabin features internal winch facilities, while the floor has tie-down rings for cargo transport."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

Nigerian air force armed combat Super Puma helicopters can do the same job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_AS332_Super_Puma

NAF has two options, our Mi-171 helicopter and Super Puma can each carry 4,000 kg load, so any of them can sling airlift our army's combat 3,500 kg VBL amphibious light armoured vehicles to frontline. PROVED.

Obsolete SANDF has no LAV that a helicopter can carry, or you helicopter want to carry your MRAP ? grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:30am On Mar 26, 2015

dacostaANG:
The only one deceiving people is you. Why are you threatened by my presence on this forum is it because your country has an inferior air force compared to my beloved Angola. What's wrong with you homezinho. I'm honored that you think I'm a SA citizen while your other fellow call me a "portugese" crop duster Oooops!!! "crop sprayer" mechanic.

There is no 2014 Russian produced SU-30 only India and China currently has licensed production lines for there SU-30MKI and J-11 respectively.

The SU-30's is a great 3rd gen + fighter but it was built to counter the F-16 and F-18's used by predominantly Western powers. But it no longer holds an edge, that's why Russia is focusing on SU-35's to counter the growing threat of the F-22, F-35(still in development), Gripen Jas39C/NG, Eurofighter and lastly the Rafale.

Since you dream so much can you explain why India the second largest user of the SU-30's outside Russia is currently opting to buy 126 Rafale fighters.

You think you are a threat to me and my senior Nigerian brothers on this forum? You of all people?

Now you say Russia has no new Su-30 Flanker 2014 model ? Wow, you say you work in aviation industry with pilots grin

"RKUT delivered the first two Su-30SM fighters to the Russian Air Force in November 2012. The first batch of aircraft is expected to be delivered by 2015."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su-30sm-multirole-fighter-aircraft/

The above is first blow to your ugly nose, now final blow to your t.esticles :

You say Su-30 Flanker is a 3rd generation + fighter.....My brother you have ruined yourself beyond repair on this forum grin

Dis man na serious fake, wey fake pass made in Taiwan grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:23am On Mar 26, 2015

dacostaANG:
How many F-7NI's crashed in the last 5years.

USAF jets crash regularly.

F-7NI jet crashed have been stopped by NAF.

NAF lost 4 jets in 8 years and NONE in the last 3 years of combat operation in North East where the NAF F-7 jets fly combat sorties almost every day, and NONE has crashed after doing hundreds of combat operations, it even seems the jets do better in war time than in peace time, war-monger battle-hungry F-7 jets !
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:18am On Mar 26, 2015

patches689:
Gripen is better than the Su30M/K - confirmed by independant analysts

While the F-16C Block 50/52+ could only sort of break even with the SU-30MKK in terms of overall air combat performance, the Gripen C clearly trounces the Flanker-G in BVR and WVR avenues of air combat, .

http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g

Dude, are you serious at all ? If we quote the world respected Beegeagle's Blog here now you will complain

Now see your own source, an unknown blog, the personal opinion of a blogger civilian man that works in an oil company :

"I have a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering degree from a Catholic Extremist school in Manila, Philippines, and have worked in the field of Quality in the Electronics and Oil and Gas sector for many, many years.

I want to share my views or opinions about military arms and equipment thru this site.

I have other blogs also, feel free to visit any of them anytime:

– rhk111’s Firearms Blog

– rhk111’s Football Blog

– rhk111’s Gadgets and Softwares Blog

– rhk111’s "

http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/about/

Bwahahahaha grin

The above is profile of the author and source of South Africans' evidence that Gripen jet is better than Su-30 Flanker.

LOL, this Soweto goats want to come and SCAM us 419 game here grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:54pm On Mar 25, 2015

saengine:
Lol okay. I see. Interesting.

So those missiles on the wingtips are not live. They are training missiles which you said WE DO NOT HAVE.

Prove it with source. Training round missiles purchase are reported on UN arms log or IISS.

NAF purchased 10 such missiles.

SAAF got ZERO
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:52pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
Gripen fired the A-darter a few days ago.

A-Darter missile is NOT in service, I said IRIS-T current SAAF missile.

Anyway, lets still ridicule you a bit :

One lone Gripen fired one lone A-Darter into empty air for manufacturers test experiment.

Who was the other jet fighter pilot attacking that Gripen in mock air to air dogfight? Which country's air force played the role of enemy?

Was that a war game, combat training exercise? Big No !

NAF is confirmed to have got PL-9C near BVR missile training rounds and we flew into live air to air combat training against the powerful Pakistani air force to fire BVR missiles.

That's enough to deflate the ego of every South African on this forum a d your new FAKE 'Angolan' friend dacostaANG
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:41pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
You do realize that your Nigerian and Bangladeshi platforms are still miles behind the Gripen?

Nope, not South African Gripen jets that have weak 22 km short range missiles on basic old version of 1995 Gripen jets
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:34pm On Mar 25, 2015

Msauza:
ONLY SIX GRIPENS WILL R.APE THE WHOLE OF NAF NON-STOP.

SAAF Gripen jets were not bold enough to R.ape ordinary Seleka rebels grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:32pm On Mar 25, 2015*

saengine:
EXERCISE LION EFFORT 2012 - HELD IN SWEDEN

South African, Czech, Hungarian, and Swedish Air Forces took part.

Part of this multinational exercise included blue on red air-air combat, which included close range dog fights. Pilots had to fight to get missile locks and fire at the "enemy aircraft"

You are free to tell us if we fired real missiles or training missiles.

Take your time. Think it over.

[img]http://cphspotters.dk/userpics/albums/userpics/10022/lionSAAF3921.jpg[/img]

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SAAF did NOT fire ANY missile during exercise Lion Effort, it was a VIRTUAL MILITARY EXERCISE WITH NO LIVE FIRING OF ORDNANCE RECORDED, more like a video game cat and mouse chase around the air with other countries that have ZERO air combat experience in modern times. The Gripen family of users is a social club of Countries that have NOT fought any war in the past 20 years.

NAF has flown 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months and we fired near BVR missiles in real combat training with world power Pakistani air force in game of death combat training
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:19pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
We too have built satellites

Why are you unable to develop our armaments industry?

Nigeria has the most advanced 100% black nation driven defense industry in the world.

South Africa is NOT a 100% black nation, you have millions of white European citizens that ruled the country and have been busy transferring technology on a massive scale from their brothers in Europe down to South Africa for over 100 years non-stop.

If Nigeria got that privileged level of white European direct full scale technology transfer, even Japan will envy us by now !
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:02pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
Basically every wheeled IFV is air transportable

Nigerian army has over 200 units of VBL light amphibious armoured vehicles that is easily sling transportable by NAF Mi-35 Hind helicopters and over 200 units of Cobra medium amphibious armoured vehicles that can by flown by our Mi-171 Terminator helicopters.

Nigeria has over 400 armoured amphibious combat vehicles we can easily carry to combat zone by helicopters hundreds of kilometers away from base to frontline combat location.

This is a modern logistic and mobility capability that South Africa is still praying and fasting to achieve for it's imbalanced military forces
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:44pm On Mar 25, 2015*

Msauza:
[size=16]EVEN IF AN F7 JET CAN BE ARMED WITH BVR IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN JET. THE GRIPEN JET WILL DETECT IT FIRST WITH ITS WIDER DETECTION RADAR AND STAND A CHANCE TO FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. THE F7 CANNOT FIRE THE MISSILE UNLESS IT HAS DETECTED THE GRIPEN AND WHAT SADDENS THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT BEFORE IT CAN DETECT THE POSITION OF THE GRIPEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG DETECTED BY GRIPEN AND HENCE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. THE BVR IS NOT THE BEST PLATFORM FOR J7/F7 BECAUSE IT HAS POOR DETECTION RADAR. THE ENEMY WILL ALWAYS DETECT IT FIRST AND APPROACH IT FROM BEHIND OR FROM ITS WEAKEST LINK.[/size]

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hey brother Msauza, you are so terrified by NAF F-7 jet with near BVR 35 km range missiles to the extent that you now type in giant font + bold font + capital letters ? Are you sure this PL-9C missile 35 km range has not driven you close to mental hospital? Do your even sleep well at night? Have you started seeing a psychiatrist now?

Somebody please save this man o ! BVR missile is killing people in South Africa even before NAF started firing it !

Omo, wahala dey o !

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:32pm On Mar 25, 2015*

patches689:
Gripen is better than the Su30M/K - confirmed by independant analysts

While the F-16C Block 50/52+ could only sort of break even with the SU-30MKK in terms of overall air combat performance, the Gripen C clearly trounces the Flanker-G in BVR and WVR avenues of air combat, .

http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g

Dude, are you serious at all ? If we quote the world respected Beegeagle's Blog here now you will complain

Now see your own source, an unknown blog, the personal opinion of a blogger civilian man that works in an oil company :

"I have a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering degree from a Catholic Extremist school in Manila, Philippines, and have worked in the field of Quality in the Electronics and Oil and Gas sector for many, many years.

But I’ve always been a military enthusiast ever since I was a kid. I remember the most precious books I had then was a Science book about Flight and a book about military aircrafts.

I want to share my views or opinions about military arms and equipment thru this site.

I have other blogs also, feel free to visit any of them anytime:

– rhk111’s Firearms Blog

– rhk111’s Football Blog

– rhk111’s Gadgets and Softwares Blog

– rhk111’s "

http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/about/

Bwahahahaha grin

The above is profile of the author and source of South Africans' evidence that Gripen jet is better than Su-30 Flanker.

LOL, this Soweto goats want to come and SCAM us 419 game here grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:02pm On Mar 25, 2015

jln115:
And you are Augustine from beegeagel.

You have NO proof
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:44pm On Mar 25, 2015*

dacostaANG:
So my friend what you saying I should agree with what you are saying here or else I'm a South African. No offense but you are a crazy guy.

We are not on the same level, you deal with myths and fantasies while I service planes in real live.

On the Portuguese issue if I were you I would leave that one aside because I'm not going on the usual african inferiority syndrome of resorting to culture/clan when someone has a disagreement with you.

In the meantime I'm fascinated by your broad imagination.

You are 90% likely to be a South African trying to deceive us here, look at your moniker, name dacostaANG, why right ANG ? Trick to receive us that you are ANGOLAN....fail !

Your style is South African...DictatorZAR, MikeZAR....you dacostaANG grin

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Thats why you carelessly said SAAF old model Gripen jet is better than Russian air force latest 2014 Su-30 SM Flanker jet.

You think we are fools here ?

Olodo grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:02pm On Mar 25, 2015*

patches689:
Why cant you answer the question?

Which BVR missiles does Nigeria have?

Just like you had Tucanos? Just like you had Otomat Mk2? Just like you have Su30's? Just like you had T80 Oplot? Just like you had FH77 B05 L52? Just like you had CEASAR SPG?

You are simply continuing your foolish trend of imaginary arsenals

I have repeated it here 24 times in 24 hours, Nigeria has PL-9C near BVR missiles with 35 km effective range. Your argument CANNOT change the fact.

F-8 III Finback jet fighter order cancelled, replaced with JF-17 Thunder jet fighter

Chinook helicopter order cancelled, replaced with Terminator armed transport helicopter

Sea Knight helicopter order cancelled replaced with Super Puma armed transport helicopter

Cobra helicopter gunship order cancelled, replaced with Gazelle helicopter gunship

T-84 Oplot tanks order, shipment delayed in Ukraine

BMP-1 IFV order status uncertain, replaced with BVP-1 IFV

Super Tucano COIN airplane order cancelled after evaluation, replaced with Su-25 KN Scorpion COIN jet Israeli upgrade.

Su-30 jet order, aircraft still under evaluation

Bofors FH-77 B L52 Order, consult original source, Army Guide website.

Otomat Mk II, consult original source, military today website.

CEASER SPG order NEVER mentioned on this forum

Sandcat MRAP order, status uncertain, replaced with Big Foot MRAP and REVA MRAP.

Predator armed Drone order cancelled, replaced with CH-3 guided missile armed Drone .

Any other thing ya wanna rant about ? All questions answered in 5 minutes with latest procurement updates.

CASE CLOSED FINALLY !!!
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:23pm On Mar 25, 2015*

patches689:
Also: [size=13pt]please explain why the Uhmkonto has a shorter range but a higher service ceiling than the PLC9 SAM[/size]

That's the specification each manufacturer desires for his product, CITAC prefers better range, DENEL prefers better altitude.

It's a foolish question, but I still answered just for the fun of t.ormenting you more and more with NAF F-7 jet BVR missile. Am sure you have been sweating under ceiling fan since 3 days ago now . grin

Why does Toyota Company make the Camry have longer travel range than BMW 525i, while the BMW makes it's product with faster travel speed than Camry? That's the kind of foolish question you asked like a confused toddler.

Olodo grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:05pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
training > experience

Thanks ! So NAF does not need air to air jet fighter war experience, and NAF don't need air to air combat experience in a contested airspace because we already have the training with Pakistani air force using our F-7 jets with extra trainer versions PL-9C missiles with BVR range.

NAF is superior to SAAF, we have fired BVR missiles in combat training with Pakistan, but SAAF has NEVER fired a single IRIS-T missile on Gripen jets, you have NO SINGLE training missiles IRIS-T, so your pilots training is incomplete and inferior.

South African air force is dead....

1. No BVR missile
2. No missile training rounds
3. Only 6 pilots for Gripen
4. No fighter jet pilot qualified with combat rating 150 hours standard
5. No aviation fuel
6. Flights are restricted to V.I.P transport for ANC politicians only.

Mandela's air force is as dead as Mandela himself tongue

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:27pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
This guy is from the shallow end of the gene pool

If we needed amphibious abilities we would have built the ratel badger to incorporate them

Anything SANDF does not have, it's because you don't need it.

The world standard armies have thousands of amphibious armoured vehicles, USA, UK, Germany, France, Russia, China, Nigeria.

Your army is a dry land only local force for homeland defense, ZERO force projection
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:19pm On Mar 25, 2015

andrewza:
Still have not answered the question.

Still have your brain malfunctioning.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:57pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
What does a bangladeshi F-7 have to do with yours?

F-7BGI =/= F-7NI

I am showing you another example of what F-7 jets became in the last modern variants purchased or upgraded by Pakistan, Nigeria and Bangladesh from 2008 - 2013, those are generations ahead of a basic 1950s MiG-21.

Jets don't fight according to your personal opinion about them, they fight according to the equipment installed on them.

Education for you Southies
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:15pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
Yet Nigeria is unable to do even this.

What does that say about your intellect?

Nigerian engineers and scientists built Nigeria's second earth observation satellite now orbiting the earth and watching Jacob Zuma in his swimming pool

That's our brain level
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:30pm On Mar 25, 2015

patches689:
So you thus confirm that the stats for the PL-9C missile are for a ground launcher?

You thus confirm that we are talking about two different missiles! You thus confirm that one is guided by one means and another by a different means!

Nope, I proved that you are very wrong and half illiterate.

Stop running away from my simple question, why does Umkhonto missile fly 20 km range but only 8 km altitude ? Why ?

So if DENEL makes Umkhonto version for Gripen jet that flies at 15 km, the Gripen must descend down to 8 km to fire the Umkhonto missile?

Are you sick? Yes you are mentallly sick !

Have you ever seen air to air missile data with maximum ceiling or altitude ?

The maximum altitude of any air to air missile is equal to the maximum altitude of the jet fighter launching it. Fool grin

Also, my photo showed you that when a modern day missile is strictly ground launch version, they are stored/cased inside silos/boxes, or tubes

When it is same missile that is attached to aircraft pylons/hardpoint for air launch, the missiles are also pylon/hardpoint attached to launcher in the ground based version because it's exactly the same missile.

PHOTO 1 : PL-9C AIR LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 2 : PL-9C GROUND LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 3 : UMKHONTO MISSILE STRICTLY GROUND LAUNCH ONLY, CLOSED, ENCLOSED INSIDE SILOS/TUBE/BOX COVER
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