₦airaland Forum

jln115:
You still have no proof that it was a SAN ship. until then your opinion doesnt matter.

saengine:
Come to SA. Stand as a target for our gunners firing at you. See if you wont be torn to pieces. Sit in a vehicle and let us fire Ingwe at you. Sit on an old wreck and see of Exocet wont rip you apart. Stand down range of let R4 fire at you. You are more than welcome....since you say we will miss.

saengine:
Article from 9 SEPTEMBER 2013

"Bayne said the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours since 2008 while the 24-strong Hawk fleet has flown over 10 000 major accident-free hours since 2005. According to testimony at the arms deal commission, 18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots) have been trained up to operational status to date and 52 Hawk aircrew have been trained so far."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821


Show us the link to the article from anywhere between 10 September 2013 to 31 December 2013 where it says 6 qualified Gripen pilots.

Take your time.

Henry120:
The SA navy could not hit an Aircraft carrier if it sailed right in-front of them.

An incompetent lot they are.

saengine:
Aha. The thing you fail to comprehend is that if the Nigerian Navy skips the most basic step of swimming training, they clearly skip all other aspects. Swimming is the number one thing you learn in any Navy.

Why did the Nigerian Navy make your "officers" go on a mandatory swimming course after they realised more than half cant swim? Why didnt they leave the situation as it was? Why change it if its not important? Can you answer that? No you cant. Dont waste my time.

saengine:
Like your junior and senior officers who cant even swim. Pot calling the kettle pitch pitch black

patches689:
Sub-programme 2 (Maritime Combat Capability) received the largest increase of 79.46 per cent in real terms. This increase is in line with identified strategic priorities and is projected to continue over the MTEF period due to the procurement of harbour tug-boats and payments for the replacement of offshore patrol vessels.
http://pmg-assets.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/140711pcdefencereport.htm

patches689:
Furthermore, how do you know they were trying to hit it? An unmarked vessel moving at high-speed with its lights off near european vessels in an age of international terrorism - they very well could have been warning shots.

jln115:
Yes were getting new OPV, IPV,Hydrographic vessel, Torpedos,Transport Aircraft,New Missiles,Upgrading our Valours ect ect

Henry120:


Yet these clowns claim they are getting 6 additional Frigates and OPV's

Henry120:
Apparently, the South-Africans can't seem to quit embarrassing themselves and the rest of the continent!


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...-boat-20150327
27/3/15 - An SA navy vessel fired three rounds 'accidentally' at a South African fishing boat. Fortunately for the fishermen, it seems the Navy can't shoot..

patches689:
Because the large part of your airforce and navy is inoperable obsolete junk

Our loan payments are on schedule and will be completed in 2018

jln115:
Well done!!! it took you years to wipe out a rebel force, it took South Africa a few days to wipe the M23 of the face of thee earth and took 200 paratroopers a weekend to bring seleka to their knees and beg for a surrender.

dragon2:
Crawford-Browne said evidence showed that Barclays Bank of England financed the acquisition of the BAE
Hawk and the BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft.
Commmerzbank of Germany financed the purchase of the four frigates and three submarines.

Societe Generale in France financed Thomson CSF combat suites in the German frigates. Mediocredito Centrale in
Italy backed the purchase of 30 Augusta helicopters.

SALOANDF

LOL !!

www.iolmobile.co.za/#!/article/arms-deal-raped-sa-crawford-browne-1.1762047

Ah ! Double Wahala for dead body o !

saengine:
You have failed to show what source says 9 Gripen pilots. It only says 18 Gripen aircrew and 52 Hawk aircrew. Dont be shy...show us where you got the number 9 from. A simple link will be fine.

jln115:
And why does Nigeria have only 3 F-7 pilots?

saengine:
Oh wow. Look at that...no link. Again! What a surprise.

In your head the only way to divide 18 is to say 9 + 9? Its completely above all comprehension to say 12 + 6 or 14 + 4? Your brain cant possibly fathom any other combination besides 9+9?

Mind you. Only 9 Gripen D (two seat which require navigators) were ordered.

Why would they have a full complement of 9 navigators but not a full complement of pilots?......

Msauza:
A fool will always remain a fool, what does weight of ordnance has to do with the BEST?

Why is it that you don't want to learn?

BEST ORDNANCE=BEST WEAPONRY.

100% Victory for Su-30

jln115:
NO!!! your data is wrong!!!Thief!!!Fraud!!

Winner is Gripen!!!

See its easy to ague like a re.tard.

patches689:
OPV bidding process is where the OPV is chosen... not sure what you are going on about

patches689:
A-darter has been ordered and is in service

patches689:
Gripen pilots fly as many hours as most French and American pilots

Msauza:
COMBAT RADIUS = ZERO IN A DOGFIGHT. THE FIGHTER WITH THE BEST ORDNANCE WILL WIN.

jln115:
Combat radius

(Depending on Ordinance)

Gripen C: Min 800km -2100km Max (without external fuel tanks)

Su-30mkm: Min 1270km -3000km Max (without external fuel tanks)

www.robotechresearch.com/rpg/vehicles/ebsis/gripen/gripen.htm

jln115:
Sources state that the ferry range of the Gripen is between 3000km-3200km, but hey lets take the minimum of 3000km, which is equal to the SU-30mkk:"ferry range: (at sea-level) 1,270km; (at altitude): 3,000km; (with one refuelling) 5,200km; (with two refuellings) 8,000km"
.

jln115:
Sources state that the ferry range of the Gripen is between 3000km-3200km, but hey lets take the minimum of 3000km, which is equal to the SU-30mkk:"ferry range: (at sea-level) 1,270km; (at altitude): 3,000km; (with one refuelling) 5,200km; (with two refuellings) 8,000km"
.

Msauza:
"I" FOR INDIA YET THE AIRCRAFT USES THE SAME ENGINES AND SAME PERFORMANCE AND EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THE WEAPON SYSTEM. IT WILL STILL HAVE THE MAXIMUM RANGE OF 3000KM, DUMMY. THE ONLY THING INDIA WAS AFTER WAS TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY, NOTHING ELSE.


WHY DO I HAVE TO ALWAYS TEACH YOU ABOUT FIGHTER JETS. I NEVER KNEW MUCH ABOUT FIGHTER JETS BUT I PLEDGED MY TIME TO VISIT LIBRARIES AND SEARCH FOR THE BOOKS THAT WERE SPECIALLY WRITTEN FOR FIGHTER JETS ENTHUSIASTS. I GUESS YOU CAN GO AND DO THE SAME.

Msauza:
BWAHAHAHA…MY SOURCE IS FROM THE MANUFACTURE OF THE AIRCRAFT AND SAYS THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE THAT THE AIRCRAFT CAN FLY WITHOUT ORDNANCE AND INFLIGHT REFUELING AT HEIGHT IS =3000KM AND AT SEA LEVEL WHERE THERE IS AIR FRICTION IS 1200KM


http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

NOW WHICH SOURCE IS SUPERIOR?

WIKIPEDIA WAS ONLY QUOTED TO TEACH YOU ABOUT:
-COMBAT RADIUS AND MAXIMUM RANGE OR FERRY RANGE. THE EDUCATION YOU ACQUIRED IN NIGERIA IS INFERIOR.

Msauza:
GRIPEN HAS A MAX RANGE OF OVER 3200

http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/SAAB/JAS-39-Gripen/

YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT FIGHTER JETS AND YOU LIKE TO ARGUE MUCH ABOUT THEM. I TOOK MY TIME TO VISIT LIBRARIES AND READ A LOT ABOUT FIGHTER JETS.

Msauza:
THE DATA YOU PROVIDED IS VERY WRONG. I TOLD YOU THAT YOU ARE STILL A BAMBINO WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTER JETS.

THAT DATA OF SU-30 INCLUDES TWO IN-FLIGHT REFUELING, THATS WHY IT MAKES 7000KM.

FOR MORE INFO FROM THE MANUFACTURE ITSELF THE RANGE STAND AT 3000KM WITHOUT IN-FLIGHT REFUELING.


http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

YOU ARE A SMALL BOY GO AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:


-COMBAT RANGE: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_radius


-MAXIMUM RANGE: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_(aircraft)

Msauza:
DONT CONFUSE THE MAX EFFECTIVE RANGE WITH THE COMBAT RADIUS.

GRIPEN HAS A MAX RANGE OF OVER 3200
SU-30 HAS THE MAX RANGE OF 3000


http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/SAAB/JAS-39-Gripen/


http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/Sukhoi/Su-30-Flanker/


THE COMBAT RADIUS IS DEPENDENT ON THE NUMBER OF FACTORS SUCH AS ORDNANCES AND NUMBER OF ENGINES, EXTERNAL DROP TANKS, ECT.
GRIPEN CARRY HEAVY GUNS AND WEAPONS SYSTEMS AND THAT LIMIT IT TO 850KM.

COMBAT AIRCRAFTS EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT THE LOWER THE COMBAT RADIUS OF A FIGHTER THE BETTER AND HEAVIER ITS ORDNANCES.

HOWEVER, COMBAT RADIUS IS NOT IMPORTANT IN A DOG FIGHT AND NEITHER WILL IT HELP A FIGHTER WIN. IT IS GOOD FOR AIR PATROLS


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_radius


YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT FIGHTER JETS AND YOU LIKE TO ARGUE MUCH ABOUT THEM. I TOOK MY TIME TO VISIT LIBRARIES AND READ A LOT ABOUT FIGHTER JETS.

jln115:
SU-30 has a max range of 3000km
Gripen has a max range of 3200km