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Patchesagain:
1. Ratel is not an IFV?

2. So your navy does not not buy for maritime warfare but instead for coast-guard duties?

1. Igirigi with 23 mm X Double Barrel Cannon is not an IFV ?

https://oi60.tinypic.com/2nl8pl1.jpg

2. So your navy does not buy for maritime security in peacetime and project Biro remains on a dust gathering piece of paper? Indian navy is now depending on Nigerian navy for help with maritime security

Indian navy bypassed South Africa, they sailed Indian ocean on your coastline and sailed to far up to Atlantic ocean to sign maritime security deal with Nigerian navy because South African submarines and warships are USELESS in peace time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11_WTmps1WQ

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Patchesagain:
South Africa makes all of those things

That is why they are listed.

Argue like a man

Argue like a man Patches.

Argue like a man Patches, stop telling open lies and denying proved facts.

Since you say Nigeria does not produce what DICON, NACE, AFIT, PROFORCE etc have been proved to produce, it is quite clear that South Africa does NOT produce all those things you listed. Your list is false. You are an importing nation, you buy weapons and equipment irrationally.

SPECIAL VEHICLE PLANT (SVP) PROJECT

On 22nd January 1979 the Federal Government signed an agreement with Steyr Daimler Puch AG (Defence Division) of Austria. The agreement provides for the construction of Factory Building in Bauchi complete with all utilities, roads, rails and furniture for the production of Armoured Personnel carriers (APC).

The Factory was designed to assemble in 8 hours days shift the following, 300 units/yr 2 axles (4x4) Pinzgauer, 1 ton payload, 200 units/yrs 3 axles (6x) Pinzgauer; 1.5 ton payload, 140 units/yr Armoured Personnel Carriers; 45 unit/yr Command vehicles (APC); 10 units/yr Motor Carriers (ACP) and 5 units/yr Ambulances (APC). Factory buildings, Utilities, Roads, workshop equipment have all been completed and commissioned since 1982.

The SVP buildings are currently being utilized by the Nigerian Army for the maintenance and rehabilitation of Armoured fighting vehicles and Armoured Personnel Carriers under a contractual arrangement. Hopefully when the contract is completed the Factory would be handed back to DICON."


http://www.dicon.gov.ng/RD.html


Nigeria produces in Bauchi city DICON plant, this sand and mud mobile TRACKED Armoured Fighting Vehicles, in various configurations, 12.7 mm + 7.62 mm two machine guns , 81 mm self propelled mortar carrier, Command Post, Ambulance.

Just because Nigeria produces weapons like this that South Africa dos not produce, is not a reason for immature and senseless denial of truth.

Argue like a man Patches, Argue like men South Africans

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Patchesagain:
Nigeria does not produce that vehicle nor do you have those variants

Why would South Africa want a tracked vehicle? Combat in Angola proved wheeled > Tracked

We buy according to our experience in multi-spectrum warfare... nigeria buys irratically

South Africa does NOT produce any IFV and you have no variants since you dont make them.

Why would Nigeria want a submarine to fight pirates? We buy based on experience in multi-spectrum warfare and threat. There is no navy vs navy war in Africa. South Africa buys irrationally.
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Patchesagain:
And, we still win:

1. Nigerian made MRAP under development. South Africa does not make that

2. Nigerian made artillery South Africa does not make that

3. Nigerian made SPG South Africa does not make that

4. Nigerian made MRLS South Africa does not make that


5. Nigerian made AFV with gun of 76mm or above South Africa does not make that

6. Nigerian made IFV South Africa does not make that

7. Nigerian made APC South Africa does not make that

8. Nigerian made Attack helicopter South Africa does not make that

9. Nigerian made helicopter South Africa does not make that

10.Nigerian made SAM South Africa does not make that


11. Nigerian made AAM South Africa does not make that

12 Nigerian made ASM South Africa does not make that


13 Nigerian made PGM (glide) South Africa does not make that


14 Nigerian made harkill system South Africa does not make that


15 Nigerian made Fire Controll System (Tank) South Africa does not make that


16 Nigerian made HMD South Africa does not make that


17 Nigerian made 30mm cannon South Africa does not make that


18 Nigerian made 35mm cannon South Africa does not make that


19 Nigerian made 12.5mm RCS South Africa does not make that


20 Nigerian made Artillery observation system South Africa does not make that


21. Nigerian made armed drone South Africa does not make that


22. Nigerian made Data-Link. South Africa does not make that


23. Nigerian made Combat managment system South Africa does not make that


24. Nigerian made BLUEFOR tracker South Africa does not make that


25. Nigerian made 20mm sniper rifle South Africa does not make that


26. Nigerian made AGL (40mm) South Africa does not make that


27. Nigerian made MGL (40mm) South Africa does not make that


28. Nigerian made light tactical vehicle (armored) South Africa does not make that


29. Nigerian made light tactical vehicle (heavy) South Africa does not make that


30. Nigerian made pistol South Africa does not make that


31. Nigerian made SMG South Africa does not make that


32. Nigerian made general purpose machine gun South Africa does not make that


33. Rifle grenades South Africa does not make that

34. Nigerian made AT (unguided) South Africa does not make that

35. Nigerian made military trucks South Africa does not make that


36. Nigerian made mine clearance vehicle South Africa does not make that


37. Nigerian made LOCATS South Africa does not make that

South Africa still loses, you make NONE OF THOSE, so Nigeria wins.

Answer a fool according to his folly....Book of proverbs.
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iblawi:
@agaugust, abeg is your last pics too made in bauchi?

Yes, Nigerian produced the 4K 4FA tracked armoured vehicle. Very good armour with frontal protection against 20mm cannon shells.

We produced about 250 units in Bauchi city, including the APC variant, 81mm mortar carrier variant, and command post variant, armoured recovery vehicle, and ambulance.

Usually armed with one 12.7mm heavy machine gun and one 7.62mm light machine gun combined.

It's a very capable loose sand and thick mud terrain mobile vehicle.....South African army has NOTHING in it's class.

"SPECIAL VEHICLE PLANT (SVP) PROJECT

On 22nd January 1979 the Federal Government signed an agreement with Steyr Daimler Puch AG (Defence Division) of Austria. The agreement provides for the construction of Factory Building in Bauchi complete with all utilities, roads, rails and furniture for the production of Armoured Personnel carriers (APC).

The Factory was designed to assemble in 8 hours days shift the following, 300 units/yr 2 axles (4x4) Pinzgauer, 1 ton payload, 200 units/yrs 3 axles (6x) Pinzgauer; 1.5 ton payload, 140 units/yr Armoured Personnel Carriers; 45 unit/yr Command vehicles (APC); 10 units/yr Motor Carriers (ACP) and 5 units/yr Ambulances (APC). Factory buildings, Utilities, Roads, workshop equipment have all been completed and commissioned since 1982.

The SVP buildings are currently being utilized by the Nigerian Army for the maintenance and rehabilitation of Armoured fighting vehicles and Armoured Personnel Carriers under a contractual arrangement. Hopefully when the contract is completed the Factory would be handed back to DICON."


http://www.dicon.gov.ng/RD.html

[size=15pt]Tracked AFV, DICON Power, Proudly Made In Nigeria !![/size]
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bidexiii:
I can't say categorically for now the type of drone NA purchased...but rumour has it NA bought aervon sky ranger copter-portable mini drones or mini drones in his class.......?
But a picture suffice some few weeks showing the COAS in port Harcourt during a drone demonstration. The picture might prove so because :a combination of a controll pad and a IPAD.l, suggest it may be an portable Aeryon Sky Ranger quad copter.

Thanks bros
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Patchesagain:
1. Why? We make more advanced stuff.

2. Why? We make more advanced stuff.

3. Show us a Nigerian made one

4. Show us a Nigerian made one.

5. T-Craft

6. Why? We make IFVs, MRAPs, APCs etc... why would we make something no one wants and no one uses.

7. We have made 2 jackass


Now show us:

1. Nigerian made MRAP under development.
2. Nigerian made artillery
3. Nigerian made SPG
4. Nigerian made MRLS
5. Nigerian made AFV with gun of 76mm or above
6. Nigerian made IFV
7. Nigerian made APC
8. Nigerian made Attack helicopter
9. Nigerian made helicopter
10.Nigerian made SAM
11. Nigerian made AAM
12 Nigerian made ASM
13 Nigerian made PGM (glide)
14 Nigerian made harkill system
15 Nigerian made Fire Controll System (Tank)
16 Nigerian made HMD
17 Nigerian made 30mm cannon
18 Nigerian made 35mm cannon
19 Nigerian made 12.5mm RCS
20 Nigerian made Artillery observation system
21. Nigerian made armed drone
22. Nigerian made Data-Link
23. Nigerian made Combat managment system
24. Nigerian made BLUEFOR tracker
25. Nigerian made 20mm sniper rifle
26. Nigerian made AGL (40mm)
27. Nigerian made MGL (40mm)
28. Nigerian made light tactical vehicle (armored)
29. Nigerian made light tactical vehicle (heavy)
30. Nigerian made pistol
31. Nigerian made SMG
32. Nigerian made general purpose machine gun
33. Rifle grenades
34. Nigerian made AT (unguided)
35. Nigerian made military trucks
36. Nigerian made mine clearance vehicle
37. Nigerian made LOCATS[

Yeah, we win, every single day of the week

Nope, you do NOT make more advanced stuff, our own space satellite is an advanced hi-tech product that we make.

Fact is, you make what you want, we too make what we want. Each country has its own edge.

T-Craft is aluminium/fibre glass, its NOT armoured. South Africa does NOT produce armoured IPVs, Nigeria produces them, you are free to import from us if you can afford the dollars, no free gift, christmas is over dude.

Your long list is duplicated on some numbers.

Anyway, simple answer... Nigerian products you are asking for...



a) Proforce ARA MRAP under construction
b) DICON tracked 4K 4FA APC
c) DICON tracked self propelled 81mm Mortar carrier
d) DICON sniper rifle
e) DICON 12.7mm BMG heavy machine gun
f) DICON 9mm Beretta pistol
g) Proforce Leopard LAV
h) NACE Igirigi IFV 23mm x 2 cannon
i) Proforce PF 2 APV
j) Proforce HCMPAV heavy troop carrier
k) DICON FN General purpose machine gun 5.56mm
l) DICON FN FAL
m) AFIT NAF Frawa light aircraft under development
n) NAF bömb disposal robot
o) NN Dockyard Andoni class MPV

Now show us South African made :

p) Tracked mortar carrier
q) Tracked APC
r) Armoured IPV sea interceptor vessel
s) Spy Balloon for battlefield 24 hour non-stop daily surveillance
t) Fully armoured Light Tactical Combat Vehicle
u) Fully Armoured light Special forces vehicle with full body and crew cabin
v) High Capacity Multi-Purpose Armoured 32 Troop Carrier
w) Air to surface rocket pods
x) Aircraft launched Folding Fin Stabilized Rockets
y) Infantry man portable battlefield drone/UAV
z) Space observation satellite



That is a whole long list from letters a to z ...ALL proudly made in Nigeria

Nigerians count your blessings and you will be surprised how fsr God has taken this 100% black nation despite all our enemies wishing us dead

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mzilakazi:
Bwahahaha… SA makes all kinds of drones and doesn't call the President when each one is made because to them is just a norm.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-34659/

Bwahahaaha !!!

That is a police riot control drone for use in city crowd control Is that what SANDF will use to fight war?

Then its NOT man portable....I see you sweating searching typing hard on your laptop using google to look desperately for a South African made infantry portable battlefield drone since 12 hours ago.....you find NONE because you produce NONE....come and import Ichoku man portable battlefield surveillance and targeting drones from Nigerian air force thaf manufactures them !

If you have money we will export to you, we already export armoured vehicles to Libya, so South Africa can buy our Ichoku drones for SANDF
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Patchesagain:
No proof to back your claims.

REMOEYE is Korean, end of story

How? Its on Proforce website, so prove that they do not manufacture it. The claim is official, same as the IFV Proforce makes with a foreign partner.

Okay, A-Darter missile is Brazilian because a foreign partner is involved.

Also you have to stop posting Badger IFV as a South African product because all the 5 existing Badgers are made in Finland and shipped to South Africa.

Equation balanced !

Patchesagain:
Stop talking to us about korean drones

Dummy, it there two different drones. The proforce REMOEYE is not a man portable infantry drone, its a normal MALE UAV.

The drone in the air force and pesidents photo is ICHOKU drone built by Nigerian airforce engineers like the Gulma. The Ichoku is an infantry man portable UAV 100% made in Nigeria by our soldiers NOT a private company you dummy !

Now show us South African made infantry man portable drone for battlefield surveillance.....we bëat you again...8 points now, 8 defense equipment Nigeria produces but South Africa does NOT produce....LOL
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mzilakazi:
Stop telling lies. Give us a source for your foolish claims.

Proforce website already posted today. See the photo on previous page.

Guess who owns all these confiscated arms !!! Ah ! Pity Africa ! Our youths have tasted blood and become blood thirsty ! May God save Africa o !

Henry240:
Correction, 30 of those inshore patrol boats have already been delivered. The Navy is expecting to take delivery of 70 more vessels half are coming in from local suppliers while 35 are coming in from foreign vendors.

How come the navy is faster than the army in local content? Amazing, ths army gets a bigger annual budget all the time. The army just woke up now 2016 to step up beyond DICON level, with the new medium industry defense hardware manufacturing complex to be built urgently this year, likely to produce a lot of Russian weapons under license. I would love to see them produce Nigerian variants of 14.5mm, 23mm, 30mm cannon calibres, D-30 artillery and MT-LB tracked APC with 30mm cannon and 40mm AGL plus a PKT 7.65 mm machine gun to make it a cheap IFV of just $500,000 per unit, desert and mud land terrain mobile night combat capable high firepower armoured troop carrier that can travel around very well in those harsh terrain of North East Nigeria and the entire Sahel up to Sahara....force projection plus homeland defence combination.

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2010/05/34o63wh.jpg[/img]

Henry240:
South-Africans wait for us, we are apparently joining you guys on your trip to India!!





"The agreements reached during the meetings
where centered firstly on general, operational,
ordnance and engineering training,
other areas include
collaboration in design construction and building of
survey ships, and landing ships
as well as participation in combined joint sea
exercises.
Nigerian navy special forces will also henceforth
participate in joint special operations organized by the
Indian navy
The Nigerian Navy will also collaborate in maritime
domain awareness towards enhancing security in gulf
of guinea, by joining the Indian Navy’s wide shipping
information sharing group,
On research and development, it was agreed that
Nigerian Navy will build up her capacity by training
with unmanned maritime vessels and unmanned
aerial vessels to enhance maritime domain awareness
surveillance capabilities."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DRZmM0wGVk

Nigerian navy has confirmed for 2016

1. New incoming guided missile fast attack crafts, 2 to 4 vessels
2. Hydrographic and Survery vessel, 1 ship
3. NNS Aradu frigate refit
4. New Landing Ship Tank, 1 vessel
5. NNS Andoni II MPV, 1 vessel
6. Fast inshore patrol boats, 30 vessels

Not a bad deal for one year. I think Buhari government wants to retool all 3 armed forces fairly according to the current threats and need of each force.

https://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af298/ONLY1GAR3TH/496934-NNS2BAradu.jpg

Henry240:
Nigerian navy signs collaboration agreements with the Indian navy on the design construction on building of Survey and Landing ships.




Good news for Nigeria's local defence industry just keeps getting better and better.

I have a feeling that Nigeria's next guided missile Frigate/Corvette will be built in Nigeria by our own domestic shipyards. India is trying to rival China and Pakistan in getting close to Nigerian military, the Indians have woken up and they don't want to be a world power with no big African partner in progress. They are seriously engaging Nigerian army too for cooperation, and NAF pilots are now in Indian air force bases doing stuff that is still classified.

AU / ANISOM needs to consult seriously with Algeria and Nigeria on how to defeat El-Shabbab this 2016, a detailed strategic planning meeting between Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Algeria, Nigerian military generals who have fought Islamic Terrorists for many years with modern experience and tactics. AU needs a new war strategy in Somalia 2016. Lets end this war, AU is spending money for too many years without an end in sight. The countries fighting there have sacrificed a lot of soldiers lives. Ghana, come join ANISOM please, and do something for Africa like your legendary Kwame Nkrumah wishes.

mzilakazi:
Paramount group MWARI UAV.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-36486/

South Africa does NOT produce army infantry man portable drones, Nigeria makes them and its called ICHOKU drone for battlefield surveillance and targeting

Show us your own SA made man portable drone like our Ichoku UAV that is launched by one infantry man for battlefield operations....show us your own now !!!!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3347224_2477490474jpeg4a43f0feae6e226d14dae7d7778f8066_jpege1a58a6ec993d834a9c25df24321036e

mzilakazi:
Bwahahaha… you have lost man.


A-Darter is a joint project between Mactron and Denel. Both companies have the right to print the company names on the missile. However, A-Darter will be produced in South Africa.

Bwahahaha.....you have lost man.

REMOEYE is likely a joint project between a Korea company and Nigerian Proforce. Both companies have the right to print the company names on the drone. However, REMOEYE UAV will be produced by Proforce in Nigeria.

mzilakazi:
Agaugust is Cheating, REMOEYE-006 is proudly made in Korea.

Bwahahaha…

http://en.ruvsa.com/catalog/remoeye_006/

South Africans are cheating, A-Darter is proudly made in Brazil


Bwaahahaha...

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mzilakazi:
In South Africa even civilians own portable drones manufactured in South Africa. Not a big deal and we don't call news conference for it.

You cannot call conference for it because you do not have it in SANDF ! What will you show if you call conference? You have no portable drone !

Nigeria produces them aplenty, we can export to you.

American/European military are now rapidly deploying spy balloons to war zones, you say it is not viable just because South Africa does not have it or produce it....LOL....

Everything you don't have is not important according to you, well everything you too have that we don't have is not important too.

mzilakazi:
South Africa has made all that. All space statellite lauched except military grade satellite were all made in SA. Even SA school girls built their own space satellite.

http://mini.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/sa-schoolgirls-build-launch-satellite-1969365


ATE makes guided pods as well as rocket pods. Not a big deal in SA and we don't call news conference when we develop them.

Spy balloon is not viable and I don't see why there should be so much talks about it. It is just a waste of time and is normally used as a close gap.

South Africa makes boats and Nigeria is as well our customer in that field. They have come all the way to.place orders down here in Mzansi.

Lastly, South Africa makes lot of UAVs and has 100 year experience in that field. It is not a new comer. Thank you.

Lies !!! Lies !!! Lies !!!

South Africa does NOT make aircraft rocket pods, infantry portable drones, armoured IPV, etc. Nigeria produces them aplenty.

LOL....South African school girls produce satellite? Why did South Africa go import satellite from Russia then ? Fool !

Did you read your source? What is the size of that school girls satellite? Your report says it was NOT launched into space, it was launched into the sky and had no rocket, LOL....it was carried by a balloon, does balloon launch satellite into space orbit ? Zulu-Bantu fool !

I think we have shocked you guys so much with Nigeria's own defence products which are exactly the ones South Africa dos NOT produce....so shocked that you guys have your brains disoriented....
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Thiza:
TESTING A NEW ARTILERY SYSTEM SOON TO B AVAILED TO THE SANDF....AGAIN @AUGUSTUS RUBBISH IT BUT COME AND SHOW US THE NIGERIAN PRODUCT

1. Show us South African made AIRCRAFT ROCKET POD

2. Show us South African made FOLDING FIN AIR TO GROUND ROCKET

3.Show us South African made INFANTRY PORTABLE UAV/DRONE

4.Show us South African made SPY BALLOON

6. Show us South African made ARMOURED FAST PATROL BOAT

7. Show us South African made 32 TROOP PLATOON CARRIER ARMOURED VEHICLE

8.Show us South African made SPACE SATELLITE

Each country produces what it needs or wants to produce at home, ALL countries import the rest
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Patchesagain:
So you seriously believe we cannot make rocket pods?

Seriously?

Yes, seriously.

Patchesagain:
No they dont.

SAPS-STF and Recces still make them wear those uniforms and train with those guns.

Hey liar, we all know apartheid era SADF special forces when we see them, old retired FN-FAL rifles and NO body armour protection.....1970s vintage white man special forces.

Show us current Zulu Bantu special forces IN A BATTLEFIELD FIGHTING REAL WAR like Nigerian SF, not your hoywood demo photos
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Patchesagain:
And your army was so useless you had to get SOuth Africa/Russia/Isreal to train them for you

And your army is so useless it CANNOT defeat Rhino poachers and CANNOT secure your own homeland borders from invading gunmen, robbers, assasins, weapons smugglers, etc in a modern day 2016, your army CANNOT defeat the simplest threats in your own backyard.....and your army is so useless that Tanzania had to command SANDF in battle in Congo DRC.

Shame !!!!

Patchesagain:
Who says we cant make them?

Why would we make something we dont use?

SAAF has moved beyond unguided rockets for jets. Its 2015, its the era of the PGM

SAAF uses unguided rocket pods on your Rooivalk helicopter and Oryx helicopter....You have NOT moved beyond rocket pods....you still import them from Belgium, but Nigeria manufactures them and we will export to you if you have money to pay
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Patchesagain:
South Africa builds armored IPV's... we sell them to you

1. Nigerian navy does NOT have any made in South Africa vessel. You sold an unarmed boat to a private commercial company.

2. South Africa does NOT produce armoured sea IPV , Nigeria makes them at Proforce and other companies.

We beäting you on another defence product
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Patchesagain:
Guided missiles > Rocket pods

Nope.

Guided missiles can be jammed by counter measures or deceived by decoys and chaff.

Rocket pods CANNOT be jammed, stopped, or deceived by anything....and Nigeria produces this unstoppable rocket pods.

We beät yöu on this one, and its hurting every South African
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Patchesagain:
So jealous

Of what? Your A-Darter missle that Brazil built for you after DENEL got stuck for 5 years unable to do it because you lack such level of missile technology?

Jealous of what?/A country that CANNOT produce rocket pods for its air force?

Bullshïït !!!

mzilakazi:
Dummy, SA does not fit Russian weapons on the hind even though you can still fit them if you want. But the.prefare SA made weapon system.


Like I told you we don't call the journalist and President when we make rocket pods because to us is just a norm.

South Africa does NOT make rocket pods. Nigeria makes rocket pods. We bëat you on that.

Case Closed !!!!
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mzilakazi:
I know that dummy. But it comes fully with SA made avionics and weapon system including rocket pods.

What fully? Name the South African company that has manufacturing plant to produc Russian 23mm ZSU cannon and Russian rocket pods for Super Hind.....name it and prove it liar ! Even THIZA and Saengine have given up on the fact that South Africa does NOT make aircraft rocket pods like Nigeria produces. Stop lying and move forward, why must you try to prove you do what you do not do? Only you must do all things? Stop lying and accept facts as they are anx let this forum move to another topic.

mzilakazi:
Why have you failed to read this part and I quote:

installation of glass cockpit avionics, a sighting system and a weapons system that incorporates twin 23-mm cannons in pylon slung pods, eight Ingwe missiles on stub-wing outboard stations, rocket pods and chaff and flare countermeasures.

Did it say you manufacture them? Show me where it says the Russian 23mm Shilka guns and Russian rocket pods on Super Hind are manufactured in South Africa, show me....liar !!!