₦airaland Forum

mzilakazi:
It is not our problem that after we stabilised them they afterwards decided to go on rampage. We stabilised them and made sure that they elect democratic government through free and fair election using SA constitution as a guidance. We further helped them to draft their constitutions which is similar to ours. An African however will remain an African with violence, greed, corruption, etc

Burundi was never truly stable, you left it hanging in the balance. Stabilizing an African country is NOT a one year job. See Somalia and Congo.

Nigeria stabilized Liberia 20 years ago, we stook them from civil war to democratic elections, yet Nigerian army battalion is STILL in Libera today, Nigerian military stabilizes other African countries and we stay there at our own expense to make sure they stay stabilized. You South Africans are NOT loving and caring enough to do that for your fellow African brother nations in crisis. You jump out when it gets hot.

patches689:
1. CAR is not in our sphere of influence

....and you want to be the leader of the whole of Africa....fool !....You cherry pick which nation is easy to 'help'

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Henry240:
Please move this argument to the other thread, enough of it already.

Sure I will, but before I do, I had to CORRECT THE DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION posted here by the South Africans, or why should this thread become a place to dump errors and misinformation, and the other thread a place to 'resolve it' ? Is this thread a dumping ground for DELIBERATE misleading information for Africans to swallow?

Centrifude:
Dude that's a projector (-____-). This argument should be moved to the other Thread.

jln115:
Hey Guys! I thought we said to move the debate to the other thread!

Ask yourself why it is right for you and your friends to dump error and false information on this thread, leave it there to mislead innocent readers, and then ask for the matter to be moved to the other thread. Why did you not start dumping your error loaded comments and DELIBERATE falsehood on the other thread in the first place?

FighterPilot:
Bwahahahahahahahaha……………



In Nigeria we see this as a command post. Microphone, Samsung TV and Visuals

Bwahahahahaha…

We don't see maps, network and interoperability. This is what we see and what is only left is for BUHARI to sing national anthem for those troops he sees.

Did you see the inside of the vehicle and observe other complementary equipment? Did you even see the power source for that screen, any device powering it in the remote desert? Did you see any antenna? Did the army show you the whole vehicle equipment load out?

They brought out the TV for the president to use outside the vehicle so that the crown of hundreds of people can stand beside him, or you want to pack that crowd with the president inside one Toyota?

patches689:
Why are you bringing up old arguments?

We have moved on. If you have a problem, bring it up on the other thread.

I am not bringing up an old argument, I am informing people on this thread that you are deliberately misleading them that SF is not same as SOF

You should accept corrections when you are proved wrong instead of dumping errors and misinformation on this thread and asking for the matter to be moved to another thread, how about all the errors you dumped in people's minds on this thread, who cleans it up and corrects it for the sake of the people you are misleading?

mzilakazi:
It looks more like my LG LED (3D) TV. Look at that telephone on the side. Is this what agaugust calls advanced. It looks more like live television recording.



OUR CHAKA C2 LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THIS JOKE HERE BELOW.

◘ Chaka C2 system is actually INFERIOR to Eagle system.

◘ Chaka C2 is ONLY for brigade sized forces and below....means maximum 5,000 troops coordination limited capability.

"Exercise Ndlovu, now underway, is expected to provide the South African Army and Joint Operations (J Ops) Division a first opportunity to test the recently-delivered Chaka brigade-and-below C2 system . "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20892



◘ Chaka C2 system is ONLY for small brigade sized military operations, NOT an entire battle space the size of Scotland.

◘ Eagle system is for a whole army and air force in a battle space as big as Scotland in REAL-TIME network.

◘ The Eagle system commands and controls NA and NAF 30,000 troops and 100 aircraft spread all over North East Nigeria as big as Scotland.

I am sure the mature minded and honest Africans here will refuse to be misled by immature and glory seeking commentators who believe the rest of Africa is jungle bush while they only like in urban cities. Pity this continent, the kind of people we have at the tail of the map of Africa.

U.S. Army Pacific Contingency Command Post Current Operations....TV monitor screen and 'telephone' box...for the ignorant.

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/671502/usarpac-ccp-hast-tonga-coral-reef#.VqGOb_krLIU

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FighterPilot:
Burundi crisis-

Time for South Africa to lead


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/news/item_id-42062/

You should have led in C.A.R. Bangui instead of running away and abandoning fellow African brothers into the hands of Seleka. Nobody trusts South Africa anymore. You cherry pick where you want to go and seek the easiest spots to give your self-glory seeking fake help.

patches689:
Americans started it

The term and differentiation has entered into internatio al military parlance

Go onto an international forum and refer to the Special boat service as Sf and see what happens

Special Boat Service is called SF, not your imaginary SOF language. See how very wrong you are and how very right I am :

"The United Kingdom has recently added several new special forces units to its ranks, (the SRR & the SFSG), as well as bolstering the existing units (the SAS & the SBS), a move that signals a willingness to engage in the asymmetric warfare of the 21st century."

http://www.eliteukforces.info/

http://www.army.mod.uk/specialforces/30602.aspx

" Part of the United Kingdom's Special Forces, the Special Boat Service was originally the Special Boat Section when it was created."

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/our-organisation/the-fighting-arms/royal-marines/special-boat-service/special-boat-service

You can refuse to take correction from me because it's me, but the problem is yours to live in ignorance and spread error around yourself.

patches689:
Did SWAPO have front lines?

Do you think the war in Angola was conventional??

Did the Selous Scouts fight a conventional war?

Did SWAPO have 13 year old girls as suicide bombers? Did SWAPO kidnap civilians to use as sex slaves or human shields? Did SWAPO mass murder 500 innocent civilians in one village in one night by cutting their throats with knives while the people slept peacefully?

Not worth debating, not worth it.

patches689:
Who said it commands 30,000 men and 100 aircraft?

No one but you

" The Eagle Mobile Central Command Post is a vehicle mounted with various Information Communication and Technology equipment. This on board equipment gives the Theatre Commander the opportunity to have first hand information of the battle space. From the vehicle the commander has access to both ground troops and air assets within the battle space."

http://www.nationalhelm.com/2016/01/photos-checkout-treasured-mobile.html

Like I said, with people like you on this continent, there is no hope for Africa
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MikeCZAR:
SF are a strategic force therefore are used for strategic missions most of the time. To help archive long term political or military goals of the war.

Mostly operating outside the battlefield(Behind enemy lines, among the enemy etc) to influence events inside the battle space and the minds of those in control. Primary tasks are reccon, man hunt etc.

They are not used as a conventional force. And specialise in guerrilla warfare.

No evolution there.

SF have evolved from fighting Cuba in Angola behind enemy lines, to fighting the likes of Boko Haram that have NO LINES....NO FRONTLINE....SO THERE IS NOTHING CALLED BEHIND ENEMY LINES.

Mission of SF has seen evolution over the years.

patches689:
Americans started it

The term and differentiation has entered into internatio al military parlance

Go onto an international forum and refer to the Special boat service as Sf and see what happens

Its an acceptable mistake for layment, buy not for military enthusiasts

Only Americans on international forums think the two are different. Other countries like Russia call their commandos SF, so they will understand me while you choose to remain ignorant.

Only American military defines SF and SOF as different. The rest of the world defines them as the same. Live in error because of ego, your choice.

http://havokjournal.com/culture/the-difference-between-special-operations-and-special-forces/
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mzilakazi:
It looks more like my LG LED (3D) TV. Look at that telephone on the side. Is this what agaugust calls advanced. It looks more like live television recording.



OUR CHAKA C2 LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THIS JOKE HERE BELOW.

Did you see inside the Eagle vehicle itself? Or you think thats an MTN telephone that commands a 30,000 man army and 100 aircraft.

I think you South Africans are mistaken this photo thread for the other one.

Try show some sanity and maturity when on this African thread.

patches689:
So you are trying to justify your outdated lexicon?

I thought you were a military researcher... you should be up to date!!

Sure I am, and this proves you wrong :

http://havokjournal.com/culture/the-difference-between-special-operations-and-special-forces/

SF and SOF are the same all over the world except in America
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patches689:
SF and SOF do not mean the same thing, never have and never will.

All SF by definition are trained for COiN since the role of SF is to train and lead insurgencies and conduct irregular operations behind enemy lines

SOF has become propular because of terrorism and COIN and they specialize in speacial operations within the confines of traditional warfare - HVT grabs, exploitation of tactical information etc

Its all confusion created by American use of language. SF and SOF are the same thing all over the world except in USA.

Read this weblink :

http://havokjournal.com/culture/the-difference-between-special-operations-and-special-forces/

Howerver, I will quote another source for easy reading :

"Special forces and special operations forces are military units trained to perform unconventional missions. Special forces, as they would now be recognised, emerged in the early 20th century, with a significant growth in the field during the Second World War.

Depending on the country, special forces may perform some of the following functions: airborne operations, counter-insurgency, "counter-terrorism", covert ops, direct action, hostage rescue, high-value targets/manhunting, intelligence operations, mobility operations, and unconventional warfare. The term “special forces” in the US refers to the US Army's forces while the term “special operation forces” refers to all units. In Russian-speaking countries special forces are typically called spetsnaz, an acronym for "special purpose". Likewise Russian speakers refer to special forces of other nations as spetsnaz, for example US Special Forces would be referred to as Amerikanski spetsnaz in Russian."
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MikeCZAR:
They don't in many organizations.

SF trained for conventional warfare?

World War II and Angolan bush war had special forces, are tbose not conventional wars? There is a difference between an unconventional mission/task and an unconventional war. Boko Haram insurgency is an unconventional war. SF do unconventional missions in conventional war, they are majorly trained to operate against a conventional army, but nowadays the sphere is changing, and SF are getting trained to operate against unconventional enemies of mostly Islamic terrorists. Mission Evolution.

patches689:
1. According to the military definition of C2, an officer + map + radio = C2

2. Its a statement of fact with regards to SSA (in the military sense)

3. Nigeria simply does not poses an intergrated data-link or the ability to wage net-centric warfare - you lack a battle-feild management system, BLUEFOR trackers or advanced information sharing networks. At best Nigeria posses's node-to-node capabilities.

The simple fact of the matter, is that the SANDF posses's the most advanced net-centric warfare capabilities in SSA. Again, some nations may have node-to-node set-ups, but no one else has our level of fusion or integration.

Accept facts and deal with life, your hubris and your ego will be your downfall.

The Eagle Mobile Central Command Post is a vehicle mounted with various Information Communication and Technology equipment. This on board equipment gives the Theatre Commander the opportunity to have first hand information of the battle space. From the vehicle the commander has access to both ground troops and air assets within the battle space.


The Eagle Mobile Central Command Post was borne is a mobile Central Command Post that is designed to link up with the troops in the field, as well as the command hierarchy.

With this, the President, Commander-in-Chief, Minister of Defence, Chief of Defence Staff and the Service Chiefs can have real time contact with the troops in the field. Added to this, the Eagle Mobile Central Command Post affords close monitoring of the activities of the troops and passage of real time information from strategic level to operational and tactical levels.


Furthermore, the platform affords the Chief of Air Staff on the move to have a look at the performance of surveillance or reconnaissance aircrafts.

The project is designed as constructed by Major General C T Olukoju of the Nigerian Army.


http://www.nationalhelm.com/2016/01/photos-checkout-treasured-mobile.html

According to your envious and errornous ranting , the above explained Eagle system that links and manages real time data and visuals of an entire battle space the size of Scotland to a single vehicle command and control centre for coordinating a 30,000 man fully mechanized army plus a 100 aircraft air force is not a net-centric warfare system ?

People like you are the ones destroying Africa with deliberate falsehood. Pity you, just pity you. Africa needs better people so thhat our continent can make progress like India, South Korea, Pakistan, China
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MikeCZAR:
Would take Nigeria more than 7 years to have such numbers.

Unless by SF you refer to SOF units not men in the class of the UK SAS, Green berets etc

Wonder why you guys aren't criticizing the composition of your regular battalions.

SF and SOF mean the same thing all over the world apart from the USA where it is used to mean different types of commandos in different US armed forces. Special Forces and Special Operarion Forces mean the same thing in other countries around the world and SF is the universal language used for these commandos.

What I think the world should be redefinig is SF trained for conventional warfare and SF trained for CT-COIN.

FighterPilot:
Only three heroine class were built in the whole world specially for SAN.

Thanks for admitting that South African Heroine class is NOT the same as those of Egypt or Indonesia. Thanks a lot.

FighterPilot:
Your name is dullard. The heroine class was never made in 1990. Only three heroine class were built in the whole world specially for SAN, you damned fool.

Heroine subs ordered year 2000, the tech you got was existing in the 1990s you mörön, or you signed contract for battery, engine, sonar, torpedoes that did not exist when you made contract specifications? Fool.

FighterPilot:
You see why I say that you are a fool. I asked you to read so that you would not embarrass yourself. SAN subs are using home grown technology developed by SAAB grintek you fool. They are fully fitted with the latest technology, you fool.

You built the submarine engine, battery, ballast tanks, radar, sonar, topedoes ? Fool !
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FighterPilot:
Heroine class is the modified version of type 209/1400 fool.

In full is called type 209/1400 MOD

Another foolish South African with second dullest brain in the world !

South African navy has HEROINE CLASS VERSION of Type 209 submarine, Indonesian navy is buildinge also: CHANG BOGO CLASS VERSION of Type 209 submarine, so how is Heroine made in Germany year 2000 sameFoolish South African with second dullest brain in the world !

South African navy has HEROINE CLASS VERSION of Type 209 submarine, Indonesian navy is buildinge also: CHANG BOGO CLASS VERSION of Type 209 submarine, so how is Heroine made in Germany 2003 same as Chang Bogo made in Korea 2016 ? as Chang Bogo made in Korea 2016 ?

Fools aplenty !

FighterPilot:
The source was not intended to convince you about reliability but only to show you that SA subs are not as old as you wrongly purport.

Stop using wikipedia ! Its not accepted here.

I know SAN ordered your subs in a contract signed 16 years ago ! The Type you signed for had 1990s old technology and weak battery for submerging, that is why Egyptian, Indian, and Indonesian versions can submerger longer days than yours. Fool !

Your 1990s technology ordered equipment is making SANDF, SAN, SAAF become near obsolete in todays 2016....you went shopping for weapons 20 years ago !
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jl115:
They are both Type209 subs except ours is the big brother of the 209/1200 class.

Bwahahaa

Foolish South African with second dullest brain in the world !

South African navy has HEROINE CLASS VERSION of Type 209 submarine, Indonesian navy is building a different CHANG BOGO CLASS VERSION of Type 209 submarine, so how is Heroine made in Germany 1990s same as Chang Bogo made in Korea 2016 ? Are you fücking mäd? Yes you are mād and need another brain surgery
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FighterPilot:
Heroine class subs are the most modern of all type 209/1400 family. That's why they have "MOD" on the suffix.

Only three were built in that class.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroine-class_submarine

Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source you dummy !
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FighterPilot:
Our submarines are the latest TYPE 209 that BRAZIL is currently trying to upgrade to.

You ordered them in the 1990s fool, your submarine technology is obsolecent 20 years old !

Some Brazilian subs were older from time.

Egypt has the latest Type 209 with modern battery.

FighterPilot:
Echo sounding primarily is not made to detect submarines dummy. Can you ever use MP3 player to make calls? You will need a phone.

Equipment have secondary roles. ATR-42 is a primary MPA and secondary AWACS.

Why is Thutlwa radar being used by SANDF for both Umkhonto ground based missile combat systems in South Africa and at the same time, same radar is used for air traffic control at an airport in Sudan?

Yöur colored mix breed brain is eclosed in a small box, you cannot think outside that tiny box
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jl115:
@Agaugust

"and has an underwater endurance of about two weeks."

http://www.koreatimes.co/www/news/nation/2011/10/205_96458.html

FYI, this is the scaled down less expensive version of our Heroine class!!

Fool !!! That is a Korea built 2016 submarine you dunce ! Do you have FULL DETAILS OF all its technical specifications as a Korean made submarine? Do you know the name, type, and power of underwater submerging battery inside the Korean sub?

Prove to us the two subs have exactly the same underwater battery, even the Egyptian 2015 version is getting a different and more powerful battery than the old South African 1990s version.

So show us proof of exactly same battery types. Fool !

South Africa has 1990s old model Type 209 submarine made in Germany NOT a modern year 2016 variant Type 209 submarine made in South Korea, you big fooooool !!!
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FighterPilot:
You are one hell of a fool. Shaldag as a whole with its fathoming sonars and echo sounder can never be used for ASW, never. Unless you are not right upstairs. You can never use such for ASW. Nigeria does not have ASW capability and I don't why is it so difficult for you to admit that obvious truth.

You are master of the universe? You dictate to countries how to use their weapons intelligently and innovatively to shock the enemy? Who are you, dummy?