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mzilakazi:
You are using free fall bombs. The evidence is the civilian property that your military destroyed as a result of unguided munition. .

Show us photos of civilian property destroyed by NAF, maybe your own house is among them...

mzilakazi:
None of your fighters can discharge precision guided munitions including missiles.

No jet fighter in South African air force can discharge missiles.

patches689:
Nonsense.

Your own Air force Cheif said:

- they cannot deploy proper munitions
- they are obsolete
- there are serious serviceability problems

mzilakazi:
NAF is buying jets because F7s are freezing in a deep freezer. Simple!!

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NAF air chief confirms :

Our F-7NI fighter jets doing wonderfully in regular combat action till today.

Our Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR power aircraft are in war zone action all the time needed.

"Speaking further, the officer explained that but for the air attacks, “our troops would have suffered untold casualties, but that was prevented; instead, it was our troops that were killing those who resisted arrest, while most of them either fled or surrendered. There is the A-Jet and F-7 fighter aircraft for air cover and ground attacks. They also made use of the powerful M-24/35 attack helicopters for tactical and ground attacks. That was how we were able to rout them from their camps.”

Speaking in the same vein, a very senior officer of the Nigerian Air Force attributed the victory recorded by the troops to the sophisticated Jet fighters that are being used in the ongoing counter-insurgency operations coupled with the patriotism, courage and the professionalism of the NAF officers.

“We have a set of well-trained officers whose sense of patriotism and dedication to duty is never in doubt. Not only that, the Chief of Air Staff (Air Marshal Adesola Amosu) released all the needed fighter jets to us.

“There are C-130H and G-222 for airlift of troops and logistics, DO-228 for medical evacuation and light transport. ATR 42 and Beach craft mounted with cameras for surveillance and reconnaissance. There is the A-Jet and F-7 fighter aircraft for air cover and ground attack. Finally, we have the dreaded M-24/35 attack helicopters for tactical and ground attack. All these are employed one time or the other as the need arises”.


http://leadership.ng/news/386202/air-force-stopped-boko-haram-konduga

NAF F-7 jet in photo below shows sign of regular heavy cannon fire against enemy targets, when last did SAAF fire anything against a real live enemy that has ZSU-23-4 deadly 7km max range anti-aircraft guns ? SAAF is a paper toy tiger ! NAF is the new k.iller 2014 ! Heroes of Konduga battle ! Ride on African masters with 1,148 combat sorties in just 2 months !
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patches689:
First, i have allready posted how your missiles are inferior

Second, when and where do you train with the Pakistani Airforce?

Third, Pakistani Airforce has not engaged in major air to air operations since the 1970's. And only saw limited use as CAS in the Kargil war.

Fourth, how are they better trained? How many flight hours do they get per month? With fighter pilots skill is judged by flight hours. How many do yours have?

Fifth, F-7 does not stand a chance against the Gripen.

#Wrecked

Yes SAAF is wrecked with ONLY 25 missiles shared by 26 Gripen jets, each jet is armed with 25/26 = 0.96 missiles each

Each SAAF Grioen is armed with less than one missile each, world record disaster

I have posted photos of NAF and PAF joint combat training again on this page, I hated doing it, it's been repeated on this forum till people complained about the repetition, we should stop asking people to repeat old stuff here, try to show us that you SA guys are not having fish level of memory

patches689:
SAAF flew 18 000 hours last year

how many did NAF fly?

NAF is not counting hours to boast, we now count combat sorties, if you count hours, NAF pilots have more hours than NATO pilots today, we are flying every hour combat, logistics, ISTAR, etc missions.

I cannot fond the total sorties for NAF 2014 as the report is deep somewhere on this thread among many hundreds of comments.

However, I will post for one single NAF operation called Zaman Lafiya that had NAF flying over a thousand sorties in a just very few months around May 2014 :

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"The Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Adesola Amosu, who made the observation yesterday at the opening of the NAF May 2014 operations seminar in Uyo, Akwa Ibom State, said since the commencement of ‘Operation Zaman Lafia,’ to contain Boko Haram in the North Eastern part of the country, well over 1,148 missions have been conducted in the prosecution of the air effort.
“These include over 644 ground attack/close air support missions, more than 332 for reconnaissance/surveillance as well as over 172 for airlift and troop rotation. This sustained high tempo of operations is unprecedented in NAF and indeed, worthy of commendation,” he said."


http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=65414

PHOTO : NIGERIAN & PAKISTANI AIR FORCES JOINT COMBAT TRAINING [/size]

patches689:
Nope completely different airframe

Same way, MiG-21 and F-7....different name, different manufacturer, different generation, different wings, different radar, different avionics, different ECM, different engine, different missiles, different combat foes when you meet them in the air...

patches689:
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HERE YOU ARE, FVCKING MA.D MAN !

"On 18 May 2014, Swiss voters rejected a government plan to buy 22 Saab Gripen fighters for 3.1 billion francs (US$3.5 billion) to replace 54 aging F-5 Tigers of the Swiss Air Force. In response, Textron Airland president Bill Anderson offered the Scorpion to fill the Swiss Air Force's needs. He claimed it was cheaper than the Gripen and performed 90 percent of required tasks like airspace surveillance and intelligence. Though Anderson suggested the deal, no official offer for Switzerland to buy the Scorpion has been made.[36]

In July 2014, the Scorpion made its first public appearance at the Farnborough International Airshow.[18]

Preliminary discussion have been held with the militaries of Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines, Indonesia, Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, with Malaysia and Brunei seen as the most likely customers. In November 2014, sources confirmed that the United Arab Emirates had held discussions with Textron." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron_AirLand_Scorpion

patches689:
The SANDF website says we only have Ratel ZT-3's... its the only Ratel listed.

You said that Army websites had the final say in the matter.

So do we or do we not have 1000 Ratel ZT-3's?

Simple question. Answer it.

@THIZA has posted photos of ordinary gun armed Ratels with NO missiles, most of the photos in the world prove that SANDF has mostly gun armed Ratels, we see that from free internet photos. SANDF website simply used the best photo to represent other Ratels, and to close the case finally, your own respected South African source Defenceweb says you have ONLY about 50 Ratel ZT-3, even a fool will laugh at you, or you want to tell us defenceweb posted fraudulent numbers of Ratel ZT-3 ?

Butt Hurt

MikeCZAR:
No, the final comes from the QEM(original equipment manufacture).

Like DENEL manufactured Mokopa missile which SANDF refused to order because the missile is useless. LOL
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andrewza:
Does not mean it is a ISTAR platform.

It is ISR by manufacturer spec data sheet. It can lock on target and relay its full location data to an attacker platform.

"Target acquisition is the detection, identification, and location of a target in sufficient detail to permit the effective employment of lethal and non-lethal means. The term is used for a broad area of applications" Source -Wiki

An ISR that can lock on target and keep relaying it's location accurately is doing Target Acquisition and its ISR becomes ISTAR.

NAF ATR-42 is an ISTAR aircraft along with NAF Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR aircraft, the ATR-42 is multi-role ISR, ISTAR, and MPA all combined
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patches689:
Most recent sources from your own airforce say the F-7 is obsolete and mainly grounded

Back again to your favorite Scorpion jet source....he did not say the obsolete aircraft is the F-7 jet, if the whole of NAF is obsolete, what of ATR-42 and Mi-35M Hind E ? So like most air forces of this world NAF has some obsolete aircraft, same way SAAF flies around in obsolete 66 year old Dakota MPA aircraft falling down from the sky like Pigeon birds sh.ot down and k.illing SAAF officers abd pilots like chicken.

F-7 is a 3.5th Generation jet with 4th Generation radar and 4th Generation missiles, not being able to fire guided ground attack PGMs does not make it obsolete same way the modern year 2012 JF-17 Thunder Block I 4th Generation not having air to air refuelling capability does not make it obsolete.

NAF F-7NI is primarily an interceptor and secondarily a ground attacker, it is good at its air to air guided missile combat role within visual range and stuck in the same WVR combat capability as SAAF Gripen is equally stuck with its similar short range missile dilema.

We are both inferior together, get it ?
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patches689:
What source?

LOL, your own favorite Scorpion jet purchase interest source quoting NAF Air Marshal Ojuawo, he said ATR-42 is doing ISTAR operations. Your favorite source, LOL.

patches689:
So how is Nuclear Reactors and a Spy satellite the same as IFV's?

Ever heard of the saying "comparing apples and oranges"

Okay I agree with you that...

South African brain = cheap orange

Russian brain = expensive apple
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patches689:
Our troops sit inside, theirs sit ontop.

This is a fact.

Russian army has about 20 times more soldiers than South Africa, so they have troops inside BMP and extra troops outside on top...and a good army will have troop ready to spread out in seconds without waiting to open IFV doors. The outside troops also act as all round seeing and watching eyes because situational awareness is very limited when locked up inside amoured vehicles.

You don't know why soldiers split into groups, some inside and some outsiders armored vehicles, but how will you know that since SANDF has no current war experience so your soldiers only know Rhino poachers hide and seek drama
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patches689:
When was the last time NAF fired a missile?

Circa 2010-2013 NAF combat training with Chinese and Pakistani air force using extra PL-9C training missiles NAF wisely purchased
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patches689:
Yes it does, according to it the only Ratel we have is the ZT3
http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/weaponsystems/armour/ratel_equipm.htm

The army website did NOT state any numbers for the ZT3 Ratels, so we know it's not 1,000. Defenceweb that you trust, says you have about 50 units only, so tell me Defenceweb is a fraud
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patches689:
SAAF flew 18 000 hours last year

how many did NAF fly?

I will go back to archives and find the 2014 NAF official sorties report for combat and ISTAR, search by weekend. The sorties are in thousands.

patches689:
F-7 is a copy of the Mig-21

This is a well known fact.

Gripen is a copy of the 1970s Viggen

This is a well known fact.

patches689:
When and where

Answer the question

2012-2013 in Pakistan, photo and official reports posted here many times till people complained about the repetition.

patches689:
Scorpion Jets is not impressing anyone

European air forces are desperate to buy it
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patches689:
[size=15pt]I call on Augaugust to post a picture of his weapon and uniform!![/size]

Okay for weekend at home.

patches689:
lol, a researcher with a uniform and gun?

yes, please, post both!

Every civilian staff is trained to use a gun for self defense, researchers can be deployed to red zones if need arises relating to data gathering...our Mexico branch has threats from drug cartels.

Sure I can show you my gun and camo, but not my face !

andrewza:
What milltary equpment do we have that we bought from russia and when have we asked them for technical help?

LOL ! You go read pages of this thread from last week, your countrymen were boasting here that South Africa is begging Russia to sell spy satellite to you and build new nuclear reactors for you.... I though Soweto lazy parasites living permanently on ANC government cash donations are more intelligent than Russian scientists in Moscow!
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EVarn:
how is the F7 a MiG 21 reincarnated?,what you shot down in angola were rusted tin cans with wings that came all the way from over the ocean.a fleet of F7 is enough to propel SA into the world of merlin and camelot.

MiG-21 and F-7....different name, different manufacturer, different generation, different wings, different radar, different avionics, different ECM, different engine, different missiles, different combat foes when you meet them in the air...

ActivateKruger:
That's a MiG 21 reincarnated... we shot those in Angola like target practice.

Last time SAAF fired a missile was 20 years ago, Bwahahaha
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andrewza:
Show proof of 33mm. At 33mm it would be to heavy to float.

Ratel is 20mm don't know the others of hand.

BMP-2 is 33mm frontal armour, google is free for your use, stop sending me on foolish errands, use your own time to google stuff
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Patchesagain:
F-15 is not designed to fight the Su-35. F22 Raptor is designed to do that, and it will do it with ease. Learn the difference between Multi-Role and Air-superiority fighters.

PAK-FA is not operational, and will only become operational into service in 2016... F-22 has been in service since 2005. Meaning Russia is 11 years behind America in that department. And the F-35 is another step ahead, that will eat the PAK-FA on autopilot and even the F-35 will be introduced before the PAK-FA... meaning that America is TWO platforms ahead of Russia.

T-90SM is nothing more than an upgraded T-72. Its obsolete rubbish and the Russians are allready trying to replace it with with the T-95 (which was cancelled because it was obsolete before they finished designing it) and now with the Armata. Abrams will destroy it with ease. The Dorchester/Chobham armor with the new DU layer is practically in-penetrable.

Plus the new M1A3 will be introduced around the same time as the new Armata, meaning the Americans will maintain their lead in tank design.

Russian missiles match american missiles because americans dont focus on missiles. Russia knows that they will NEVER be able to match American Air or Naval power, so they focus on missiles because that is the only way that they will stand a chance.

Again, you know nothing.

If the pile of rubbish you wrote above is true, America would have kicked Russia out of Ukraine long ago instead of posting satellite photos to prove that Russian tanks and missiles are operating freely inside Ukraine.

Clown....cloned clown you are.
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Patchesagain:
I asked for Radar specs, you post a source saying they were in there - they arent. So show us a source which confirms 350km range and stop avoiding the question.

ISR is a lessor form of ISTAR. Your ATR is an ISR platform.

Beechcraft 350 is a VIP transport, not ISTAR - confirmed by the fact that it is operated by a VIP transport squadron.

The only one in a mess here is you. Show us your 350km range specs.

Nope, I drilled a hole in @Andrewza's s.kull and uploaded facts to prove NAF has two Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR with photos and videos of the radars and interior ISTAR equipment clearly seen on this forum for many days repeatedly as I rubbed it with hot pepper into your bleeding eyes

ATR-42 has 330km radar range and I have repeated it's source over 20 times here in one year, so now you post your own source to prove me wrong....and I dare you !!!!
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Patchesagain:
Reason they avoid each other is Nuclear, not Naval.

America dominates with Carriers
America dominates with Surface Vessles
America dominates with Submarines (71 compared to Russia's 61)

USN wins hands down, Russia does not stand a chance

The USA and Russia will both wipe out each other's ships with missiles, only submarines will remain. USA has 10 more submarines than Russia, but Russia has two times more nuclear powered submarines than the USA, means the Russians have submarine advantage in combat capability and invisibility.

Reason we avoid each other is not nuclear because both nuclear powers fought each other indirectly in Korea and Vietnam, both of us don't want nuclear annihilation, we avoid the Russians because in Vietnam war we learnt our lesson that anything Russia Vs America will end in a stalemate after wasting people's lives for nothing !

mzilakazi:
They are newer, yet they were reported to have mechanical failures and poor maintenance. They were grounded as confirmed by sources and not me.

You quoted an old year 2012 source before Pakistani technical assistance came that same year. I posted a current year 2014 war zone photo, I have defeated you and snatched your g.irlfriend in broad daylight
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Patchesagain:
Lol, ATR-42 is not an ISTAR platform - confirmed by the manufacturer

ATR-42 an ISR platform used by NAF after upgrade in ISTAR role as confirmed by your favorite source on Scorpion jet purchase interest. Your own source proves me right
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Patchesagain:
Why then do our troops sit inside of their armor when on the move and why do russians sit ontop?

BMP is a death trap, proved by every war it has ever fought in

You compare South African army to Russian army? LOL....the same Russians you run to for military equipment and scientific help? Clown
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Patchesagain:
Ok, so you agree that South Africa then has 1000 Ratel ZT-3's?

Nope, SANDF official army website does not say so
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