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mzilakazi:
So, scorpion jets are 4th generation fighters.

Scorpion jet is modern man 2014. Gripen is old man 1988.

ActivateKruger:
The Nigerian F-7 is older than my mother...

The South African Hawk Jet is older than Mandela....

mzilakazi:
Don't try to play smart stupidd. The malyutka (ATGM) missile which many of them are currently out of service has a range of 3000m as compared to ingwe which has a range of 5000m.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M14_Malyutka

Olodo

You think 1980 BMP-2 is same as 2014 BMP-2, dummy you are, Russia has done series of upgrades and different versions, the modern BMP-2 fires Kornet ATGM with 5.5km range.

Mumu, I just finished wrecking your lies that NAF F-7 jets are grounded not flying not doing combat

Better be careful on this forum how you mess up yourself intellectually or else we Nigerians will snatch your girlfriend and you end up shiboboed, girls like intelligent men, not those who get crushed in intellectual argument, take my warning dude !
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andrewza:
Don't forget the FLIR. And it is cleared to use the mokape ATGM.

NAF Mi-35 Hinds have FLIR and are manufacturer built (NO NEED TO BE CLEARED BY ANYBODY ) to use Ataka ATGM.

Show me British made Lynx firing South African Mokopa.

Liar, same way you and @Saengine lied to us in last year naval blockade simulation that Rooivalk will fire Mokopa on Nigerian coastal artillery and fire Mistral on Nigerian F-7 jet...you were using missiles that South Africa has NEVER ordered or EVER imagined to purchase ! Liar !

Show me Lynx with Mokopa !
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patches689:
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BMP-2 carries 7 soldiers, we see in your photo just 2 outside, where are the other 5 soldiers, in the sky?

See the great Israeli army Makerva tank with soldiers riding outside on top....means the tank is crap and unsafe, right ? Mumu
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patches689:
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BMP-2 carries 7 soldiers, we see in your photo just 3 outside, where are the other 4 soldiers, in the sky?

Answer me

mzilakazi:
Scorpion jets are a waste of time.

Yet South Africa is spending millions to build the inferior AHRLAC aircraft for the same role as Scorpion. Mumu

Anything South Africa does not have is bad. Mumu squared
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ActivateKruger:
If Gripens and Hawks were toys then that would be taken to consideration.

The Nigerian Air Force lost 3 aircrafts

Only 3 losses after NAF flew combat 1,148 times in 60 days. USAF don't fly safer, they crash more. SAAF does not fly combat at all in 20 years, yet they crash Cesana, Rooivalk, Augusta, Rooivalk, Dakota, and Hawk jet.....olodo air force

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andrewza:
And your 2 ATR will do this how. It will be under constined EW attack and attacked by gripens. All so it uses a sea survalnce radarfinding a G6 or G5 at max radar range will be imposbil.

You milltary spends all it's effort fighting rebels. SA trainins to fight nastions.

I just posted proof this morning that NAF ATR-42 has been doing ISTAR role perfectly against Boko Haram that hides among civilians in cities and without uniform or order of battle to identify them.

You sit down with a laptop to judge on internet how ATR-42 does ISTAR ops in land combat theatres, how will you know since the whole nation of South Africa has NEVER touched anything close to a NAF ATR-42 ultra-sophisticated aircraft in your entire national history.

NAF air Marshalls that owns and use the aircraft are final and best world recognised authority on ATR-42 capabilities in real life situations, even the Europeans that produced it are now inferior to NAF in user experience, so when NAF is talking about practicals, SANDF has to shutt up and listen !

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andrewza:
You milltary spends all it's effort fighting rebels. SA trainins to fight nastions.

Okay, no wonder South Africa cannot defeat Seleka and Rhino poachers, your military can only fight against nations like the one you lost to Cuban girl soldiers
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patches689:
Nope ATR-42 has no target designation equipment

What is target designation equipment by definition and by example?
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patches689:
Nope

Only parts of the front of the vehical are protected against 20mm

Sides and rear can be penetrated by 20mm

Normal, even main battle tanks have far less armour on the sides and thicker armour on the front, check out most heavy tanks.

Then the frontal BMP-2 protection is against 23mm not 20mm, the same 23mm will tear all SANDF Ratel and Badger IFV into pieces.

You did't know that before you started writing garbage about BMP-2 armour. Fool !


http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmp-2_ifv_tracked_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html



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patches689:
Post your source

Why are you scared?

I have my ATR-42 330km radar range source posted many times on this forum, I said even @Andrewza dare not challenge me.

Now you have challenged me, post your own source and I promise to post mine again after yours, it's a battle between us, so I am challenging you to a fight, except you are afraid of me as usual, you tremble down to your boxers...Patrick the coward !

I got you into a big trap !

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andrewza:
You need to move after deploying smoke. And the ratel ingwe can riple fire Ingwe. All so the 20mm on ratel witch has a higher rate of fire than your 30mm(due to fumes) can pentrat a BMP at the same range it can penrtat a ratel


Since when does 4km beat 5km

BMP-2 has superior 5.5 km range 9M133 Kornet missiles, Ratel gets killed from distance
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mzilakazi:
see the attached sources: Mzilakazi never lie.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/02/world/africa/nigerian-villages-destruction-is-shown-in-photos.html

http://m.hrw.org/news/2013/05/01/nigeria-massive-destruction-deaths-military-raid


http://m.allafrica.com/stories/201305020872.html/

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22366016

Show proof that those were damaged by NAF bombs, Boko and Nigerian army were using RPGs and Mortar artillery in those area.

Show impeccable proof that it was NAF bombs not army or Boko shells that did the damage.
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patches689:
So you admit Boko Haram captured your ZSU?

Where did I say that? Nope.

All photos show Bokos ZSU-23 on Toyota or odd types with NO marking of NA on it.

Chad has been proved to be weapons source for Boko as well as Sudan and that proves what I said about Boko ZSU-23 looking odd
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patches689:
SAAF only bought a few as we are going to be using the A-darter which goes into production next year. So from next year we will have an unlimited supply of missiles.

NAF only bought F-7 jets as temporary measure while we are hunting for a 4th generation jet fighter, so from next year 4th generation jets will be flying for NAF. Equation balanced.

patches689:
Good for you, but we want total air-hours

LOL....the sorties were flown without hours, it was in seconds and minutes. LOL.

1,148 combat sorties in 2 months....is equal to 1,148 minutes abi? LOL. Domingo Durango

NAF is showing you gold sorties, you are asking for bronze hours.

SAAF has ZERO combat sorties in 20 years, SAAF is a DEAD air force become VIP transporters
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patches689:
Nope 90% of the F-7 is the same as a Mig-21

The title of the artical says it all

The widely exported F-7 was nothing more than a Chinese licence production copy of the Soviet Era Mig-21 Fishbed
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052

Your link is of 1980s F-7 jet. NAF, PAF, SAF, BAF are flying 2010 F-7 jets with 4the generation radar and missiles.

The SAAF Hawk jet of 2006 is the same as the Hawk jet of 1974, so SAAF flies an obsolete Hawk jet. Equation balanced
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patches689:
You said European Militaries were desperate for it. Where does it say that?

Switzerland Europe. USA North America. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Malaysia etc world oil rich countries with air forces better than SAAF all want the Scorpion jet.

patches689:
Wonderful, you fell into my trap to set, but you have lies to tell.

So now you have changed your story and agree that military websites are not the final source of information?

You have NO trap.

SANDF army official website NEVER claimed to have 1,000 Ratel ZT-3

There are hundreds of photos of Ratel showing most as gun armed NOT ZT-3 missile armed, so many Ratel versions, how many photos will the army ppst on webpage? Ten photos of one vehicle with different guns?

It is easy to just write one sentence "V-LAP 73km shell" after the 39km Base Bleed without overflowing the page with data, your army did NOT write it because they DON'T have it.

Defenseweb did NOT report that SANDF has it, NO source EVER says SANDF has it, ALL sources say it exists in DENEL test laboratory, one shell of V-LAP, one piece used for experiment, and no longer existing, no longer produced.

The Indian army officially displayed and declared they have Bofors FH-77B with 42km range, show us where South African army displayed and declared that they have V-LAP shell 73km range, we see or hear NONE !!

NOT mentioned as purchased NOT mentioned as still existing NOT mentioned as sold to any user, ONLY mentioned in a test laboratory.

#Show Us Photo of the V-LAP 73km shell in Existence with SANDF

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patches689:
Nope ATR-42 has no target designation equipment

Define target acquisition and name one of it's equipment.

Let's see how informed you are

patches689:
So, lets get this straight, you are saying:

- an IFV which is used in such a manner that infantry ride on top (without armor protection) is not a bad thing

You have said this thing many times, now I will shove it back in your face....

Show us photo of Russian army BMP-2 with infantry riding on top intead of inside in a war zone !

Show us !
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patches689:
During the fighting in Afghanistan and Chechnya, hits by rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) penetrated the BMP-1's armor in 95% of cases. This often resulted in the vehicle burning until the ammunition exploded.[35] Due to these limitations, Soviet/Russian soldiers customarily rode on the outside of the BMP, sitting on top of the hull while in combat zones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1

Wasted post 100% Irrelevant, Nigeria does not hve BMP-1 you posted like a dullard.

We have BMP-2 and they are NOT the same....Olodo Domingo of Gauteng !
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patches689:
You said the whole vehical was protected against 23mm (never heard of a 23mm cannon before )



This is false, frontial arc only offers PARTIAL protection against 20mm

Welded steel armor of the BMP-2 provides all-round protection against 12.7-mm rounds. Front arc of this IFV offers partial protection against 20-mm ammunition.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bmp2.htm

Yeah, maybe you should take some of your own advice and use that free google thing

BMP-2 Hull and Turret both have protection against 23mm cannon so it CANNOT be penetrated.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmp-2_ifv_tracked_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

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patches689:
During the fighting in Afghanistan and Chechnya, hits by rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) penetrated the BMP-1's armor in 95% of cases. This often resulted in the vehicle burning until the ammunition exploded.[35] Due to these limitations, Soviet/Russian soldiers customarily rode on the outside of the BMP, sitting on top of the hull while in combat zones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1

Gee, that free google thingy is great

So, lets get this straight, you are saying:

- an IFV which is used in such a manner that infantry ride ontop (without armor protection) is not a bad thing
- an IFV where troops cannot quickly get out is not a bad thing
- an iFV with bad situational awareness is not a bad thing

lol.

BMP-2 getting BTFO by an RPG-7 in Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvOtIjAii1A

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Same way RPG will tear SANDF Ratel, Rooikat, and Badger IFV into pieces, you won't even see your soldiers' bodies to put in body bags.

BMP-2 weapons are superior to SANDF IFVs and BMP-2 can swim a river where Ratels and Badgers turn back to go home ![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYU5rdPVcQw

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andrewza:
the atr has no means to proscute targets are provide guidance for a third part they can look but not touch

ATR-42 radios your precise GPS coordinates to artillery and you are near your expiry date already.

andrewza:
SA is still planing on buying Mokopa

Nigeria is planning on buying Russian missiles.

andrewza:
More like 2 gripens would be enough to fend you off. The F7 is not that good.

Both will die equally in WVR combat, we both have short range missiles, we die together.

MikeCZAR:
Ingwe can penetrate 1000m+.

BMP-2 will use ordinary 30mm cannon to wreck your Ratel before after using smoke dispensers to waste your laser guided Ingwes.

The missile on BMP-2 has longer range than Ingwe missile on Ratel
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MikeCZAR:
Name the radar and provide a source that proves it is installed on your ATR-42.

I have done that many times here since last year and even @Andrewza won't challenge me again on that radar, so let @Patches post his own source of ATR-42 radar range, if he has the courage to do it !

MikeCZAR:
Ingwe can penetrate 1000m+.

BMP-2 ATGM has longer range than Ratel's Ingwe, Fool !
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