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mzilakazi:
SA does not need amphibious vehicles because of our terrain, so, what?

Thanks for confirming what I always said that South African army is a very weak dry land only army built ONLY for homeland defense with ZERO force projection outside homeland and thus inferior to the all terrain equipped Nigerian army.

You proved me right, you a South African soldier, so God bless you sir !

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Patchesagain:
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Wow, this is hilarious...demolition time for @Patches and SAAF to be c.rushed to powder

PHOTO 1 : SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE GRIPEN, ONLY COCKPIT FOR ALL FLIGHT CONTROLS, NO SINGE COMPUTER FOR ISTAR

PHOTO 2 : NIGERIAN AIR FORCE ATR-42, COCKIPT FOR ALL FLIGHT CONTROLS

PHOTO 3 : NIGERIAN AIR FORCE ATR-42, BIG CABIN LOADED WITH COMPUTERS, ELECTRONIC CONSOLES, ETC FOR ISTAR

SAAF IS 66 YEARS BEHIND NAF IN ISTAR POWER
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Patchesagain:
Yes, in 1973 it was very effective

In 1973

What year is it now?

Grips will by high and dry dropping precision munitions from 30 000 in complete safety

SAAF Gripens CANNOT harm a ZSU-23-4 shilka, it will radar scan and track your slow speed 85km/hr guided bomb PGM and destroy everything with volley of AAA four barrel fire, the SAAF Gripens will waste all your 50 units of snail slow speed Paveway guided bombs until you have nothing left.

Then you will know why NATO is afraid of Shilka AAA. Mumu
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mzilakazi:
My frendo, as current kornet is still only integrated from BMP-3 up to later models. Your BMP-2 will not fire Kornet until it will be decommissioned when it tells its life story. I guess, your Nigerian girlfriend is now mine.

For the second time, I prove you VERY WRONG mister Olodo

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Now I have no choice than to snatch away your girlfriend, she's tired of the lies you tell and the garbage you write.

"■ The version BMP-2M "Berezhok" from KBP has an additional AG-30 grenade launcher, 2+2 launchers for ATGM 9M133 "Kornet" missile and new day/night sights as found on the BMD-4. This upgrade was selected by Algeria." Source wiki"

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Patchesagain:
Been posted many times

BH has a staggering array of your equipment

Your photo is NOT a shilka as you claimed, and it is a photo not a video as you claimed.

#Show us video of Boko CAPTURING a Nigerian army Shilka ZSU-23 as you claimed !

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Patchesagain:
Chally 2 was penetrated by an RPG-29, so not any old RPG

and it was a fluke penetration caused by a hit to the underside of the vehical which caused the reactive armor to detonate.

Pocket your lame excuses.

Armoured vehicles don't dictate to an enemy the type of RPG the enemy will use against them.

Leave BMP-2 alone, it is a good IFV with modern versions that have extra new armour thicker than the older early versions.

Algerian army BMP-2M is a good example of new BMP-2 with new increased armour.

British super heavy armoured Challenger main battle tank was penetrated by an RPG, simple. Case closed
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patches689:
There is a reason that after the British stopped using them in 1994 - its an obsolete concept

And it has a 76mm gun

Bwhahahaha

Nigerian army has domestically upgraded our Scorpion tanks to 90mm gun, done in Bauchi City factory Nigeria circa year 2012.

You thought Nigeria cannot upgrade heavy calibre guns? LOL, Nigeria is silently more advanced than South Africans ever imagine. LOL !

We even changed the whole engine from diesel to petrol to increase speed, the interior is also changed, Nigerian Scorpion tanks are NOT the old 1994 British scorpion tanks anymore, we have done local home grown massive upgrade. LOL !

Nigeria locally upgrades heavy guns to higher calibre with longer range, you didn't know that, Domingo Block-Head

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Original photo credit goes to the first man to post it, I just copied it and studied it, I marked-noted my observation on the Photo of this NAF F-7

patches689:
So you confirm that the Grip is better than the ATR because it can perform ISTAR and targeting.

Quote where I said that.

What I confirmed is that you are NOT educated enough to know that the TA in ISTAR means Target Acquisition NOT Target Designation.

Victim of poor South African education, that is what you are
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patches689:
In early 2008 a Polish Rosomak serving in Afghanistan (the version with upgraded armor) was attacked by Taliban rebels. The vehicle was hit by two RPG-7 rockets, but it managed to fire back and then returned to base without any help required.[4] In June 2008 a Rosomak was attacked by Taliban and was hit in its frontal armor with a RPG. The armour was not penetrated. In 2009 first soldier was reported killed inside Rosomak after IED exploded under vehicle, which rolled over and crushed gunner sitting in the open turret, similar attacks occurred before, but without casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTO_Rosomak

Poland's Rosomak is NOT = SANDF Badger.

Different name, different manufacturer, different gun, different terrain capability, Rosomak is full amphibious, Badger is dry land only.

Post me a Badger IFV source where RGP was fired on it !

Liar Liar pants on fire, posting Poland's IFV as South Africa's IFV ! You are busted again !!!

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patches689:
Why are you getting so emotional?

You said it was protected against 23mm, implying all round protection against 23mm.

This is false, average protection of the vehicle is only against 7.62

T-55 has 100mm armour, does that imply all round?

Quote where I said BMP-2 has 33mm armour all round it, post it now. Liar !
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patches689:
So, just to be clear.

You are now saying that Military Websites are not the final say on the topic? Going back on what you were saying for so long?

Exellent back-tracking

Ok, you want official press release:
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/media/editor_media/rm_defence/publicrelations/pressemitteilungen/2012_1/2012-09-19_AAD_Rheinmetall_Denel_Munition.pdf

http://www.deagel.com/Projectiles/Assegai-V-LAP_a000925001.aspx

Thanks for making it so easy to prove we have VLAP

ALL those foolish official press releases you posted above are NOT South African army official press releases, those are from private companies, and NOE of them said SANDF purchased any V-LAP shell.

Who are you trying to fool, we Nigerians? You must be joking, Naijas are too smart for any Saffa !

You fvcking serial liar !
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patches689:
Gripen is more advanced in the ISTAR role

Show us the interior ISTAR equipment of SAAF Gripen, this photo below is that of NAF ATR-42 ISTAR, so let us compare...Fool !!
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EVarn:
The NA has just recieve a batch of shilkas,T72,and T80 tanks to fight boko haram terrorist in the north eastern part of nigeria [from an accurate eye-witness source]

Nigerian T-72 tank in Boko war...

EVarn:
it has a stabilized gun it has a new fire control system,do not mistake the Mk1 for the Mk3,i know that you do not know the difference,but sometimes it pays not to embarass oneself due to ignorance it has the combination bulkhead armor{the chobham armor combination of steel,ceramic and aluminium},moreover,a few rounds the vicker ammo will pulverize your cherished toys it has been fitted with an effective range finder,NANOQUEST L23 gunner's sight and simrad LV352 laser rangefinder mumu!,your olifant also operates:
*105mm rifle - same as the vicker
*68 round of ammunition{maxim.}- 18 rounds more than the vicker
*350km range- lower range to the vicker

Nice one there.

mzilakazi:
AHRLAC is not what really any military can bargain on given their size and speed. It is simply good for ISR.

ARHLAC aircraft carries weapons. You agree South African ARHLAC is just crappy crap and garbage. Wow ! Thanks, I owe you chocolates

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patches689:
ZSU-23 a threat to the NAF... so what does that say about the NAF?

It says NAF was fighting the same type of dangerous battlefield close air support that Israeli air force fought and got shot down by the same ZSU-23 AAA.

"The ZSU-23 system was particularly effective against the Israeli Air Force. Israeli pilots attempting to fly low in order to avoid SA-6 missiles were often shot down by ZSU-23-4s.

The ZSU-23-4 outclassed all NATO anti-aircraft guns at the time, and it is still regarded as posing a major threat for low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. NATO considered the Shilka to be so dangerous that, in time of war, standing orders required NATO pilots to destroy any Shilka observed, even if doing so required the pilot to abandon his mission." Source Wiki.

This fact says to SAAF that Gripens and Hawk jets in @THIZA's photos is NOT real war and attacking sand and stones is a coward pilot's way of avoiding his jet being shot down
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patches689:
Video evidence shows BH capturing it from you.

Show us video of Boko Haram capturing a genuine and verifiable Nigerian Shilka, show us now ! Liar !
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andrewza:
Actualy combat experance has had the BMP pentrated on the frontal arc by 12.7mm fire.

There is a add on armour kit for the ratel that gives the frontal armour protecstion of up to 23mm

Face it the BMP serries is crapp. They get slaught in every war they fight in.

RPG penetrated mighty impregnable British Challenger tank. So what? No man made equipment is perfect.

Tell us BMP series have never killed any enemy, only the enemy kills BMP ? Right ?

Drive 50 units of SANDF Ratel IFV into open streets in an insurgency war where terrorists hiding on roof tops among civilians fire RPG from roof tops and windows, I guarantee that ALL and ALL your 50 exposed Ratels will be destroyed by RPG fire, even destroyed by ordinary 14.5mm guns with AP rounds or 23mm ZSU mounted on trucks doing hit and run guerrila street tactics.

Drive any armoured IFV into a disadvantage situation in a killing zone and it will be killed by rag tag rebels.

" Armour

The Ratel is relatively lightly armoured, in order to preserve mobility, weapons space, and range. The vehicle is well-protected against bullets and artillery shell splinters, but is vulnerable to anti-tank guns, automatic cannon such as the Warsaw Pact 23mm AA guns (which were often used in a ground-fire role in Angola), and rocket-propelled grenades. " Source- Wiki

patches689:
Also known as trash.

The 1960's called, they want their doctrine back

Nigerian army Scorpion tank is a light tank built to be transported by medium aircraft like NAF C-130.

There is a reason the British made the Scorpion after over 100 years of war experience around the world.

Nigerian Scorpion tanks can be moved in quickly and deployed in hours for emergency to foreign countries as power projection, it gives us a light tank with tracks that can drive over muddy terrain where the whole of SANDF will sink and get stuck with their vehicles of similar size and weight.

The Scorpion light tanks gives Nigerian army aircraft portable all terrain wheeled armoured vehicles with a 90mm cannon that fires anti-tank shells among other types, it is a good weapon for force quick deployment in emergency force projection overseas.

SANDF is a dry land only army built for only homeland defense of around Soweto
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patches689:
Also known as Olifant food

Vickers Mk III and Olifant have never met in battle.

I love those virgin Cuban army girls they eat SADF Olifant as morning breakfast for their T-55
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patches689:
Laser Designation.

Does your ATR have it?

No?

Ok.

Fool !

The TA in ISTAR is Target Acquisition NOT Target Designation, Fool !

ISTAR aircraft don't need laser designator in pure ISTAR role because ISTAR is to find and track targets, not to attack. If you add laser designator you have entered attack role by illuminating a target with laser beam and your ISTAR aircraft is exposed to ground enemy counter attack.

Target acquisition is just to find and keep track of target and relay it's position to the attacking platforms.

ATR-42 does exactly that and that makes it an ISTAR aircraft, reason why NAF uses it to acquire Boko Haram targets for NAF jets to go and k.ill

Real Durango Domingo your are, Olodo Rabata !
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patches689:
Badger is immune to RPG

Proof needed.

You walking into another trap again.

patches689:
cool, but the Hawk is not our primary combat platform.

Your F-7 is a copy of the Fishbed with *some* advanced electronics crammed inside of it.

The airframe is still a 40+ year design.

#Obsolete

Nope, the airframes are different, F-7 has new swept wing for dogfight, MiG Fishbed has old delta wing. F-7 has rear fuselage stabilizer fins for maneuverability, MiG has none. F-7 has new Broadview canopy for situational awareness MiG has old caged canopy. So the airframes look alike but NAF F-7NI is different.

The names are different, one is F-7 Airguard, the other is MiG-21. However for SAAF the names are the same, Hawk jet 1974, Hawk jet 2006, you fly obsolete aircraft.

Sure Naijas have taught you a lesson. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones
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patches689:
BMP-2 you said that it had all round protection against 23mm... you have been exposed.

Expose me by quoting where I said all round .

Even heavy battle tanks don't have same millilitres protection all round, talk less of ordinary IFV.

I said 33mm protection same thing said by army recognition and I posted the photo screenshot and weblink.

You are a liar and you are looking for who to call your own very name that has become your indellible logo and trademark on nairaland....Pirate Patrick @Patches the liar of Gauteng
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patches689:
Post your 330km range

Why are you scared?

Nope, I have told you from beginning that I am very confident of my source, it's in the archives of this thread many times repeated. You Patrick of Gauteng province you are afraid that I will h.um.iliate you big time !!!

All I am waiting for is for you to be a man of courage and don't disgrace South Africa, prove to us you are intelligent enough to do a simple 10 minute google search on ATR-42 radar range, and post your own result as I have done many times between January 2013 and April 2014 on this forum, I have proved myself, now it's up to you to prove that South Africans have a brain that can find information and prove a Nigerian to be wrong.

Oya naa let's go...Oya dey go....go Patrick, go Patrick, go Patrick go Patrick....we are waiting for you to google search ATR-42 radar range, the whole of South Africa is cheering you...go Patrick, go Patrick !!!

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mzilakazi:
It shows that you didn't read the sources. Those houses were destroyed by straying bombs which fell from your fighter jets. The only mode of munition that your fighters can engage other than cannons. No PGMs and missiles, nothing.

The journalists that wrote the stories, where were they when the so called 'NAF bombs' were falling astray from the sky? The journalists were in the bombed zone checking out one by one which falling bomb will miss Boko Haram and land on civilians, and also the journalists were busy driving around during the battle taking records of which house was bombed by jet and watching to differentiate which house is being h.it by RPG, mortar artillery, and shells ? Right ? Yet those journalists inside those destroyed streets are still alive to write stories, right ?

Do you know what a battle zone is like when jets are dropping bombs and soldiers are launching RPG and firing artillery all at the same time? How old are you? 6 years? How developed is your brain? Sardine Fish level?

I thought you said you are one of the SANDF men that fought Seleka, so you too was so free and comfortable like a god in the battlefied of Bangui and you took photos of the damage and the dead in that Seleka battle? Right? Okay mister liar, show us the photos of the Battle of Bangui to prove how many Seleka dead bodies were scattered on the ground as confirmed by you....

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patches689:
You said Military website is the only valid information.

SANDF website lists Ratel ZT3 as the only class of Ratel.

You have used outside sources to say that we have more classes.

Thus, you yourself confirm that the SANDF website is not the final say and that other sources must be considered.

Thank you

Stop trying to spread lies here!

SANDF is final authority by all different methods they use to give information to the public, website, video, photos, newspaper publications, Tv shows, whatever method the army uses to speak through it's officers about equipment in service it's okay.

The Indian army Bofors FH-77B 42km range official information is NOT on Indian army website, its a youtube video released by the same army. If information is not available on SANDF websites we will check photos videos and news reports officially released by SANDF.

Yes, so many dozens of official army photos of SANDF shows the whole world the several different versions of Ratel with guns and cannon to prove that the army has them all and NOT only ZT-3 missile version.

Now show me SANDF official photo or news report / media press release to prove they have V-LAP shell with 73km range.....there is NONE !!!

Butt Hurt Soweto Durango, SANDF best artilley shell range is ONLY 39km, CONFIRMED !

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ActivateKruger:
In your not-so-bright head, there were jets before Mandela.

In your not-so-bright head, you beloved your mother was born after year 2010 when Nigerian F-7 jets were manufactured.

My Bible says in the book of Proverbs "Reply a fool according to his foolishness". That's why I said your Hawk jets are older than Mandela.

Fool !
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mzilakazi:
Kornet can only be fired from BMP-3, Lol!!!

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Now I have no choice than to snatch away your girlfriend, she's tired of the lies you tell and the garbage you write.

"■ The version BMP-2M "Berezhok" from KBP has an additional AG-30 grenade launcher, 2+2 launchers for ATGM 9M133 "Kornet" and new day/night sights as found on the BMD-4. This upgrade was selected by Algeria." Source wiki

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mzilakazi:
If you cannot acknowledge the importance of flying hours in aviation industry, then I will suggest you drop this subject with immediate effect.

If you cannot acknowledge the importance of flying combat sorties in defence industry, then I will suggest ANC merges South African air force with South African airways with immediate effect
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mzilakazi:
Hawks differ in size and variant, but BMP-2 is a variant on its own that will not necessarily change.

Who I talking about BMP-2 ? See this mumu comparing armoured vehicle and jet fighter! Are you m.a.d ?

This is my post that you just foolishly replied to :

Your link is of 1980s F-7 jet. NAF, PAF, SAF, BAF are flying 2010 F-7 jets with 4the generation radar and missiles.

The SAAF Hawk jet of 2006 is the same as the Hawk jet of 1974, so SAAF flies an obsolete Hawk jet. Equation balanced
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