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Henry120:
Still 40 more than what you currently have. It seems 40 is our new lucky number.

40 new helicopters
40 new Fighter jets
40 new Frigates
40 new submarines

40 nuclear weapons for Nigeria
40 HIV free 18 year old South African virgin black-white-coloured girls as Xmas gift for me Augustine.
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patches689:
You dont operate the same version.

Italy operate the ATR-42MP

You operate the ATR-42 MP

Bwhahahaha

What's the difference between ATR-42MP and ATR-42 MP ? Nothing, no difference

See what fraud has done to you as usual, crime does not pay

Even if you say radar range 296km for NAF, it's almost 300km and closer to the Italian radar 'version' you created by yourself, and very far greater than the 220km you were creating by fraud.

You thing for ATR-42 that only 10 units have been built, the Italians will develop 3 types of radars for them? One radar with 330km range sell 7 units to Italy, develop another radar 296km range sell 2 units to Nigeria, develop another radar 220km sell 1 unit to Libya ?

LOL...do you know the R & D cost of developing high power modern radars? The cost is more than the profit the manufacturer will make on 10 units of aircraft. LOL....how many Lynx Helicopter radar exist with different ranges? You think it is like F-7 jet? LOL.

patches689:
You dont operate the same version.

Italy operate the ATR-42MP

You operate the ATR-42 MP

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Italy, Nigeria, Libya ALL have ATR-42MP.....the same version you claim above for Italy...

Soweto breeds Olodos + Domingo Durangos

See photo data below

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Henry120:
Fvcking goodnews bra, fvcking good news

I am not surprised. I believed NAF will buy JF-17 Thunder even though many people on Nairaland and Beegeagle still doubted and wanted 'solid' evidence.

I was always very sure especially since the photos of NAF chief inside JF-17 cockpit emerged.

Nigeria has no other choice, USA/EU will not sell fighter jets to us, Russian jets are expensive, Pakistan-China is the only option available.

However, I may guess the 6 units Su-30 Flankers left over in Belarus second-hand from India may also be NAF's as they come cheap at $20m each if no other country has grabbed them, there is still hope.

I always put my bet on JF-17 above Su-30, how will NAF continue with F-7 jet into year 2015 ? Haba, make we look am wellu wellu now, with over $2 billion special funds for modern weapons released, how will NAF not buy JF-17 Thunder?
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patches689:
160 nautical miles is not 330km, so your own source shoots a massive hole in your entire argument.

And again I say, show us where it says yours is similar to the Italian version. Not some gibberish from some unknown source. Hard and fast facts from reputable sources.

Until then, 220km.

This bores me.

Now, uniform and gun please, "Mr PMC researcher"

I won't post my gun and uniform for a fraudster like you, you are NOT worth it.


The source is NAF, 160 nautical miles is approx 300 km, not your own 220km, you cut off about 80km off the true range !

The Italian source 330km and NAF source 300km are so close you can tell it's same radar, it is proved that there is no different ATR-42 MP radars among users.

Enjoy this new humiliation @Patches

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patches689:
The manufacturer lists their max range as 220km

The one in Italian service has a different max range listed of 330km

Until you prove that yours is the same as the Italian one, yours is a standard model with the standard 220km range radar

Why won't you post your uniform and gun? Mr elite MBA accountant who now does "research" for a PMC

You happily agreed with the second source that there is an Italian ATR-42 'Version' with radar range 330km.

Then you demanded proof that Nigeria and Italy have same radar.

I proved it to you point blank shot with indisputable source from NAF.

http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/08/nimasa-airforce-partnership-records-successes-air-coastal-surveillance/


Next time, don't mess around with a PMC research staff....or else ya gonna get badly hurt.

patches689:
No one cares about Nigerian propaganda and misinformation.

Word of the manufacturer is final

[size=16pt]Word of the user Nigerian air force is same as user Italian Guardia Costiera, they both got ATR-42 radar with 330km range.

Your own 220km radar range will be for whoever you want to export that 'version' to.

I warned you about your deliberate fraud, but you refused to take my warning, now you have embarrassed all South Africans here again today....Shame on you all

Learn your lesson Soweto man, fraud and deceit does not pay !

I have F.ini.shed you again @Patches !!!

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mzilakazi:
Is it going to be made or assembled in Nigeria?

Oh!! what a hand-me-down aircraft.

Oh!! what a brand new 40 units of 4th generation aircraft.

mzilakazi:
Shame!!!

Shock for South Africans!!!

patches689:
Manufacturers word trumps all

220km max range


The case was never open. No matter how much bait your throw out, the matter is cut and dry.

Now, uniform and gun

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You get no uniform and gun for being dishonest.

NAF ATR-42MP Radar has 330km range approx 160 nm

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DAILY INDEPENDENT

By Andrew Airahuobhor

Correspondent:

Nigerian waters are gradually becoming unsafe for criminal activities following a partnership betweenNigerian Maritime Administration and Safety Agency (NIMASA) and the Nigerian Airforce in ensuring the promotion of maritime safety and security.

In line with the partnership, an ATR 42 surveillance aircraft, equipped with Automatic Identification System (AIS) and Radar, is being deployed for air surveillance of the country’s territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).
The AIS can see shipping activities within 160 nautical miles."


http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/08/nimasa-airforce-partnership-records-successes-air-coastal-surveillance/



I have proved again that you deliberately mislead this forum and twist information to produce false information

# All South Africans are fraudsters and retaaards


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ChukwuCantDie:
I'm going to assume ALL 40 JF-17's are block II...

Likely NAF buys mixed block II and block III with production of block III likely to be made in Nigeria
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patches689:
I suggest you read the first paragraph of the pic your just posted - it says that there are different versions.

And until you post a source that specifically lists your ATR-42's max radar detection range remains at 220km

Fool, it said some have no mission equipment, NAF ATR-42 has more mission equipment than even the Italian version, we posted the interior here, and showed full range of equipment, and Nigeria added British ELINT equipment which even the Italians don't have.

Tell me NAF ATR-42 has no mission equipment and I will say you are one of South Africa's wasted generation that Mandela left behind to wreck the country with fraud and dishonesty
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[size=14pt]Italy, Nigeria, Libya, all fly the same ATR-42MP with radar maximum range 330 km

"Besides the Italian services, Alenia ATR 42 MP Surveyors have been successfully marketed to Nigeria (with two ATR 42 MPs, the first to be delivered in 2009) and to Libya (one ATR 42 MP) to be flown in patrol and aerial search-and-rescue roles by the Libyan General Security Agency. ATR 42 MP Surveyor surface- search radar (with a range of 330 km) is belly-mounted."


http://www.casr.ca/id-fwsar-italy-2.htm

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3rd post @Patches, their is ONLY ONE maritime version of ATR-42 and it is called ATR-42MP, the other types are civilian versions with no radar, the military version is manufacturer designated ATR-42MP and only 3 countries have it, Italy, Libya, Nigeria, and source below says they all have ATR-42MP version

http://www.deagel.com/news/The-Italian-Coast-Guard-Orders-a-Third-ATR42MP-Surveyor_n000003758.aspx

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Next @Patches, the manufacture's data sheet has 3 different radar ranges for ATR-42 based on the size of each target, and it includes a radar range of only 100km, not even the 220km you quoted.

That tells you mister fish sized Soweto brain that the radar range varies with target size
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patches689:
No, the deal was based on me posting my source, see here:



I have posted two sources, now hold up on your side of the deal.

Why are you suddenly changing the terms? Are you not a man of your word? Why are you so afraid to post your "uniform and gun"?

My word is that ATR-42 radar range is 330km

Yes, YOUR WORD is that it has a 330km range, the MANUFACTURERS WORD is that it has 220km range.

http://www.aleniana.com/documents/8005904/17761599/factsheet_ATR_42_MP.pdf

No one cares about what you say, manufacturer has the final say on the topic.

[size=16pt]I will post 3 different comments/analysis to prove all South Africans are Born With Fish Brains [/size]

According to your own source of manufacturer specs data sheet, the ATR-42 radar range is 220km, and Italian 'version' that you created has a different radar with 330km range .


Well that same data sheet has only one photo for ATR-42 and it is the Italian version ! Means the Italian radar is the same radar detailed on the manufacturers data sheet, so the Italian ATR-42 has 220km range according to your 'logic' .

Below is the photo from that manufacturer's data-sheet

http://www.aleniana.com/documents/8005904/17761599/factsheet_ATR_42_MP.pdf

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mzilakazi:
Poachers invaded Nigeria ages ago and killed all their rhinos

Quote source to prove that please....Mumu !
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patches689:
Only in failed states can large bodies of terrorists move around with impunity.

Only in states with high Islamic population can large bodies of terrorists move around with impunity.

Canada has about 700 thousand Islamic faithfuls, Nigeria has about 90 million !

Kenya just suffered terrorist attack again yesterday, and Kenya is a Christian country.

South Africa CANNOT stop Rhino poachers and Pretoria is begging Bostwana to help your nation protect Rhinos by hiding them in Botswana.

If terrorists invade South Africa, your government will export millions of South Africans INCLUDING you @Patches into safety in Bostwana
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patches689:
It was a BH raid

It shows that they can strike anywhere in Northern Nigeria

Even a state-capital.

They overran numerous positions, no doubt captured more hardware, and got into the state-leaders office/residency.

That is utter humiliation.

South African guns are silent as we have quickly and decisively defeated our enemies.

South Africa has NO enemy on homeland soil.

The only threat you have is Rhino poachers who defeated South African army, air force, and special forces combined, plus the American commandos hired to help you, all got defeated. SAAF helicopter crashed and killed 5 officers chasing Rhino poachers, likely poachers sh.ot down your air force helicopter.

After the Rhino thieves defeated South Africa, your president shamefully removed 500 Rhinos into safety in Bostwana that has a better army since South African military CANNOT protect your homeland. Rhino poachers even freely operated victoriously on South African army owned lands robbing SANDF of Rhinos on it's own military owned land areas


Terrorists can strike anywhere in the world.

Terrorist struck inside the government parliament building of Canada a 98% Christian nation and got to the office door of their Prime Minister

Terrorists cans strike South African government building and look Jacob Zuma face to face if they want to, they just don't have South Africa as their target yet, but anything can happen in the near future.

The attack on Yobe Government house was repelled by NA. NAF and SSS men. Most of the Boko fighters died according to the report posted by your fellow South African, he simply celebrated a Nigerian army victory !

#Show Us SANDF & SAAF In Battle Today.....Your Guided Bombs Have Never Been Tested In War Just Like Your Poorly Trained Army
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DieVluit:
http://www.theparadigmng.com/?p=25956

Boko Haram Terrorists Invade Yobe State Government House

...and Nigerian soldiers killed most of the Bokos till the Harams ran away defeated, according to your own source.

"The insurgents forced their way into the Yobe State Government House before they were repelled by soldiers.According to a security source, the insurgents gained access to the house through the rear gate. Actually they entered the government house up to WAWA hall, but we were able to overcome them with the help of an air force helicopter that killed many of them,” he said."

Thanks for posting another Nigerian battle victory.

Meanwhile can you show us what battles South African army is fighting right now? I still see your army guns are silent and your jets are in frozen storage
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patches689:
Because you made some bold claims, I asked you to prove it and you agreed.

Are you not a man of your word?

My word is that ATR-42 radar range is 330km and that is what my deal is based on, as long as you keep disputing that 330km, then we have no deal
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patches689:
Only after we see your uniform and gun

Why are you obsessed by who I am? Why are you so desperate to unravel my person? Will it increase how much jobless parasite welfare benefit ANC government pays you monthly for being unemployed?
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patches689:
A long and pointless post

The manufacturer says that the max range of their version in 220km

The Italian version has a max range of 330km

Until you prove your version is the same as the Italian version, your ATR has the standard max range of 220km

Manufacturer says 220km, Italy bought from same manufacturer and says 330km.

The Italians got their from the same manufacturer, and their is no ATR-42 version A or version B with different radars, ATR-42 is not F-7 jet where 10 countries have 10 different radars, and in such cases it is published with version names NI, PG, BM, etc.

Until you agree to the truth, you see no gun and camo, I dont do deals with fraudsters
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patches689:
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Attached NOT launched, anybody can attach anything on a pylon, lets see testing video or photo where Hawk launched the Al-Tariq into action
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patches689:
You worked out that it would fall at 61km/hr because you typed in that it would be dropped from a distance of 15 meters, not 15000 meters.

(you dont use decimal points to denote thousands in calculators, dipshit)

Using the same figures as you, it becomes clear that the bomb will fall at 345km/hr

Nope, I typed in 15,000 metres, but unfortunately that particular calculator is not programmed to recognize 'comma' and mistook it for a 'full stop' and that is the programmers foolishness not mine. In physics-mathematics international system of units 'commas' are universally recognized to mean thousands. Not my fault in any way, other web calculators recognize commas.

Air resistance is increased with weight, so a skydiver man weighs 75kg, guided bomb weighs 250kg, the air resistance increases with weight and it will push back your bomb the more.


Well with your calculation what did you get? Your earlier claim of 1,500 km/h ? You now downgraded to 345 km/hr

5 times slower than you were claiming before, a loss of speed with about 1,200 km/hr wiped off in speed reduction

If I did not bring up air resistance will you ever know it exists? You were using online calculator for free fall speed in a vacuum, that is how far you South Africans are behind Nigeria, if we don't open your eyes to science you remain blind forever

So now your guided bomb is 345 km/hr without the many up and down motion of guidance correction that further reduces the speed, the longer the distance from target, the more the up and down oscillations, and it loses speed, when you make provision for that, you will end up between 60 km/hr to 85 km/hr at the time guided bomb reaches target.

Guided bombs don't have missile speed, LOL. they have the speed of a sword or dagger, those who have seen it in action testify as proof :

"A laser-guided bomb falls from a cloudless sky with all the speed and menace of a plunging dagger. In a split second, a building is pulverised into a swirling mass of smoke and rubble."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11006911/The-Israeli-laser-guided-bomb-strikes-Gaza-with-the-speed-and-menace-of-a-dagger.html

Don't cry Butt Hurt, it's not the first time you have being trapped trying to mislead and deceive us on this forum
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patches689:
Its YOUR job to prove that your aTR-42 is the same as the Italian variant, otherwise, max range is that of the manufacturers and is 220km

Both are ATR-42 Surveyors, no source differentiates them because they are the same. NONE is ATR-42 ITY and ATR-42 NIG

When manufacturer sells variants of military aircraft they name them differently, F-7NI. F-7PG.

Show us ATR-42 Surveyor maritime patrol with such different names.

I will begin campaign that SAAF Gripen has a lesser radar than Sweden's Gripen.

You ready for the mud fight man ?

patches689:
You said you would post the pic when i post my source. I have done that. Now post your uniform and gun.

Again, sources state:

- Manufacturers max range: 220km
- Italian Version max range: 330km

This is not up for discussion.

Oh, we should not discuss your claim on a debating platform? We should just swallow your lies as if we are fools?

No, Nigerians don't swallow garbage.

Your own source says ATR-42 has radar range 330km and does NOT say Italy sold a different radar to Nigeria.

Wow ! The ATR-42 aircraft on the website with 220km range, is EXACTLY the same Italian GUARDIA COSTIERA ATR-42 aircraft on the page that has the 330km radar range, exactly the same photos ! @Patches, Nigerian and Italy have the same radar ! There is no website with Italian radar and another website with Nigerian radar. Fool of Gauteng

http://www.casr.ca/id-fwsar-italy-2.htm

http://www.aleniana.com/documents/8005904/17761599/factsheet_ATR_42_MP.pdf

Fool, the smaller the object, the more difficult for radar to detect it, thus your radar needs to get close to target, this reduces the range of your radar, all radars in this world have that scientific rule !


So when target object gets too small, your radar will not detect it at maximum range, because the target has a small RCS...Radar Cross Sectio...Fool !

"Factors that affect RCS: Size

As a rule, the larger an object, the stronger its Radar reflection and thus the greater its RCS. Also, Radar of one band may not even detect certain size objects. For example. 10 cm (S-band Radar) can detect rain drops but not clouds whose droplets are too small.
Material." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_cross-section#Size

All South Africans have 33% brains and import Nigerian science teachers to save them
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patches689:
Nope.

Is the speed of free fall gravity where you got 85kp/h from? You know that gravity changes with hight and that free fall speed is not a constant, but a variable dependent on height and weight?

Free fall speed of a GBU-12 Paveway 2 BLU-133 500Ib dropped at 30 000 will accelerate to 423.35 m/s or 1524.05 km/h - meaning that it actually accelerates from Mach 1.1 to around Mach 1.3
http://www.angio.net/personal/climb/speed

In future, avoid physics

Now, post your uniform and gun

No gun and camo for you until you graduate from my physics class and you stop lying that Italy sold ATR-42 with a different radar from what they sold to Nigeria, I need source that clearly says that, not your dreamland imaginations.

Physics? I love it.

That 85 km/h was jointly calculated and agreed by me and South African @Fighter Pilot who has BSc Military Science. LOL

Bwahahaaha

Your calculator assumed :

1. NO air resistance....your jet fighter was flying in a vacuum with NO air existing in the atmosphere...FOOL !
2. Guided Bomb does not follow guidance system oscillation up and down movement.
3. The Paveway Bomb has less range than normal because of oscillation.
4. Due to number 3 above, the Gripen cannot drop bomb at it's aircraft maximum ceiling.

Guided bomb redirects and corrects position, it jumps up and down if dropped at high altitude, it loses speed each time it climbs up, before slowly coming down and repeats the up-down motion till close to target.

You can NEVER achieve missile speed with a bomb, or else nobody will build an expensive mach 1.2 missile if a bomb can do the same speed

Based on the correct formula for free fall with air resistance, I used the maximum ceiling of Gripen and maximum range of the Paveway Guided Bomb and that means the Gripen must be directly above the target, and i used the weight of the bomb, the calculator proves the final speed will be 61 km/hr.

Your Gripen guided bomb will arrive target at speed of about 61 km/hr. PROVED !

South Africa begged Nigeria to sent Mathematics and Science teachers to your rainbow nation and we did it. Now you know why

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1231475371

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EVarn:
hehehehe..i'm expecting him to come here to spout sentiments and butthurt.we all know the truth,but its fun to embarass these liars once a while.

Real fun, they now claim a bomb dropped is as fast as a missile fired. Bwahaahahaha

EVarn:
post proof that the al tariq glide bomb and the A-Darter SRAAM are integrated into the SAAF hawks.lets see how you wiggle your way out of that.

Sweden refused to allow SAAF integrate Umbani (Al-Tariq) guided bomb on Gripen jet, as usual the Europeans are still lord and master over South Africa today 2014.

Then SAAF tried to integrate Al-Tariq on Hawk jet, they claim it's done on paper, but I want to see photo of it being operated in full scale test.

A-Darter SRAAM is a short range missile that does NOT yet exist in any military service, it's still laboratory development stage stuff NOT WORTH TALKING ABOUT
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patches689:
Because the plane that is carrying it is moving that fast you clown

Or do you not know of this thing called inertia?

Inertia? It means objects don't wanna move until you force them! Bombs have no rocket to force them to move, so once you drop it 15km away from target as your jet avoids enemy AAA the bomb gets slower than the drop speed, and every second it keeps slowing down until it only moves by the earths free fall gravity speed of 10 m/s and use physics formula it's average velocity is about 85 km/hr....my Toyota car is faster than your guided bomb

ALL BOMBS ARE SLOWER THAN MISSILES AND JET AIRCRAFT.

Fool, the jet aircraft has powerful jet engine driving it to attain, maintain and sustain speed of mach 1.2 being 1,500 km/hr, but the guided bomb dropped has NO jet engine to give it that craaazy high speed !

#Post Speed Of SAAF Paveway Guided Bomb !!!

#Trapped Patches Again
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patches689:
Nope, dont come here with RCS

First source clearly says, 220km max range

Second source clearly says that modified Italian version has a max range of 330km - which is unique to the Italian version.

So, in conclusion:

Manufacturers specs: 220km
Italian modified version: 330km

Now, post your uniform and gun

You get no photo of my gun and camo until you confess the truth.

Your source clearly posts 3 different radar ranges for the same ATR-42 saying it varies with size of target the radar is scanning.

ALL RADARS IN THIS WORLD ARE LIKE THAT, THEIR RANGE VARIES WITH RCS SIZE OF TARGET !!! FOOL !!! ILLITERATE

Your fraud cannot work here.

Quote where the source says Italian version has a different radar from what Italy sold to Nigeria.

Am gonna assume South African Gripen radar is different from Sweden's Gripen radar, yours is shorter range in SAAF.

Also the South African Super Lynx helicopter radar is different from British Super Lynx radar, yours has a shorter range radar.

Post proof that Italy sold a different radar ATR-42 to Nigeria

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patches689:
Auguggugug, again, you speak of science but you fail to understand that when a plane drops a bomb at mach 1.2 the bomb is moving at mach 1.2... there is this thing called inertia, you should learn about it.

Bombs are dropped not fired. Guided bomb has no rocket engine, it has a low power battery, then you say it flies at speed mach 1.2 that is 1,500 km/hr speed of a missile !

Post me a source for the speed of SAAF Paveway guided bomb so that I can laugh at you as usual. Post it
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patches689:
According to the manufacturer, its 120nm which is around 220km range
http://www.aleniana.com/documents/8005904/17761599/factsheet_ATR_42_MP.pdf

Only the Italian ATR-42 has a 330km radar range - because it is different to other ATR's
http://www.casr.ca/id-fwsar-italy-2.htm

Feel free to post your "uniform" and "gun"

Bwhahahahah

Not so fast !

Need to clear the rubbish you posted above mister olodo.

Your first source says ATR-42 radar range is 240km, then says again it is 160km, then again says it is 100km....each with different target size called RCS...Radar Cross Section.

Fool ! You don't know what it is telling you? A common fact about all radars, their range changes with the size of target called RCS, the smaller the target to be detected, the shorter the range of the radar, any radar in this world including the radar on SAAF Lynx and Gripen. It is a universal technical law of all radars that exist.

Your second source did not give any size RCS or target size, it simply tells us the maximum range the radar can detect an object, and that range is max 330km.

Don't add to the source, it NEVER said 330km is for Italian ATR-42, it just says data for ATR-42 and goes further to say that the ATR-42 that Italy has, is also owned by Nigeria and Libya.....all have 330km radar range.

How about that for early morning school lectures from Nigeria? Mister Olodo Durango Of Shout Afrikaa
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