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EVarn:
^^and what's that supposed to mean?

Means these South Africans are obsessed by we Nigerians. Ma Naija brovers hav been blowin' their mindz in Johannesburg. LOL.

MikeCZAR:
It isn't a trainer version.

The pilot or navigator in the back seat can control stand-off weapons, with data link control UAV(s) or UCAV(s). He can also control or monitor the aircraft's advanced systems from sensors to EW equipment.

Show us photo of the fake imaginary 'advanced system sensors and EW equipment' inside the back trainers seat of the 2 seater Gripen

Then if 2 seater Gripen trainer version is the fake ISTAR version, it means all the real combat Gripen single seaters are NOT capable of ISTAR.

Anyway, you are telling lies, so.....


Show us photo of your fake imaginary 'advanced system sensors-EW equipment' inside the back trainers seat of 2 seater Gripen
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patches689:
hahahahahahahahahahah

South Africa, judge for yourself

Yes brother, we all judge this South African army, thanks bro

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patches689:
Who said it is only a trainer?

Manufacturer specs.

Gripen 2 seater is trainer version, a 12 year old kid knows that.

It does nothing more than the 1 seater except extra seat for student-instructor training.

I too can start story here that F-7 jet 2 seater version is a miraculous ISTAR version. Get it?

patches689:
Nope, you said you would post your "uniform" and "gun"

So do it.

Lol (apparently PMC's have uniforms these days, and they issue accountants guns)

And you arent in the US .mil so the rest of your post is a waste of data

I never said I am a soldier, I always say I am a civilian.

I just proved to you that in America, any BSc holder can be a soldier, even if he has BSc Agriculture.

Yes PMC wear uniform in red zones and duty zones, they are like security guards in military zone or like mercenaries.

I am not an accountant in my present PMC job, I am in research team for field operations.

You think PMCs go to war wearing suit and tie, or T-shirt and boxer shorts ?

Post ATR-42 Radar range from your own source and I will post my handgun and camo.

Not only you can make demands, I can too, so I am making my own demand. Simple.

PHOTO: PMC WITH UNIFORM IN IRAQ, INCLUDING CAMO

patches689:
Shilka is obsolete rubbish that is only a threat to attack helicopters

Helicopter is four times faster than Guided bombs. Fool

NATO and other military world power countries, including Poland, India and Russia the mighty, all still use Shilka today 2014.

Anything South Africa does not have is 'Not Good' including Satellites and amphibious armoured vehicles. Thou art a mumu
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patches689:
I dont know where you get 85km/h from... since JDAM's can be dropped with speeds up to mach 1.2

he weapon can be released from altitudes as high as 50 kft, at speeds up to Mach 1.3,

http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-JDAMPt1.html

Libya was first attacked in SEAD with over 100 units of Tomahawk missiles, not guided bombs, fool !!!

NATO will use cruise missiles and anti-radar/radiation missiles to first wipe out all your air defences before NATO jets go in with bombs.

By the time NATO jets fly in with bombs, your air defense weapons are already degraded to almost zero level effect.


Guide bombs are big, they are bigger than a human being ! Shilka radar will track it and the AAA guns will b.low it to pieces

A guided bomb has no engine like a missile or rocket, it runs on a simple low power battery ! It glides by fins through the air with free fall speed of gravity about average 85 km/hr, falling slowly like a snail, it does not shoot forward like a missile , you must be damn illiterate !

"When a plane drops a smart bomb, the bomb becomes a particularly heavy glider. It doesn't have any propulsion system of its own, like a missile does , but it does have forward velocity (by virtue of being dropped from a speeding plane). It also has flight fins that generate lift and stabilize its flight path." http://science.howstuffworks.com/smart-bomb.htm

How many science lessons will Nigerians have to teach you daily? Olodo

Mach 1.3 is missile speed !!!! Fool !!!

Show me a source with speed of SAAF Paveway Guided Bomb !!! Fool

The video below proves that guided bombs are slow air/gravity snail-speed, while air to ground missiles are rocket engine super-speed.

#All South Africans Are Born Olodos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26XYeQK1lm4
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MikeCZAR:
The Shilka has no CRAM capabilities. Do you want me to educate you again? .

You don't need CRAM to sh.oot down a snail slow bomb.

Guided bombs are 20 times slower than missiles.

Shilka radar will scan-track-target a guided bomb and accurately direct 4-barrel cannon fire to blew it into pieces 3km away !

SANDF has no air to ground missile. Unfreeze one frozen Gripen jet, sell it, and buy Maverick air to ground missiles , SANDF is cash-broke
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Patchesagain:
Why are you behaving like an ape?

The source is pretty clear

How do you calculate 1 hour loiter time?

Why is loiter time relevant?

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Hey you calling me an Ape ? All because I defeated you in military argument and I wrecked your Soweto African Air Force SAAF ?

Wow ! Butt-Hurt now resorts to racist remarks on a black man, well I know you are not black, so you call us Ape.

Your own source CLEARLY says Gripen Jet did less than half of ONLY RECONNAISSANCE in Libya, NOT any ISTAR !

I was just doing you a favour by saying 1 hour, your own source says Gripen jet loiter time in Recce in Libya was only 40 minutes in the air !

NATO did real ISTAR in Libya with NATO dedicated ISTAR aircraft E-3 AWACS flying 24 hours a day and Sweden sent SAAB 340 AWACS !

Any jet fighter with Reconnaissance pods can do Recce ! Gripen Recce is NOT different from an F-7PG jet equipped with Recce pods

South African air force has ZERO ISTAR capability in year 2014 ! NAF is your supreme ISTAR master !
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MikeCZAR:
Send them to Zimbabwe for real special forces training.

Nigeria trained Zimbabwean military officers in our academy.

Patchesagain:
Also, you are right, Badger does not have 100mm of solid steel. It has composite armor

Welcome to the 21st century

Welcome to the TRUTH century, Badger has NO composite armour, all it has is common steel that RPG-7 will tear into pieces. Liar, you Liar !

"The Badger is made in all-welded steel armour which provides a protection against firing of small arms and shell splinters."

http://www.armyrecognition.com/south_africa_african_army_wheeled_armoured_vehicle/badger_denel_8x8_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_.html
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Patchesagain:
America upgraded the armor on the brad so it cannot cross rivers... so they have no amphib... what difference does it make?

America has other amphibious vehicles and they are rapidly building new ones to catch up with Russia.

SANDF has ZERO amphibious capability, you are stuck to dray land combat only, SANDF will drown when it faces water terrain
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Patchesagain:
The ones that Recce Pods are designed to operate at

Exactly what NATO said, Gripens do ONLY Recce NOT any ISTAR...Proved by you, thanks Patrick my boy !
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Patchesagain:
Is there a two seat gripen?

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Two seat Gripen is trainer version NOT special ISTAR version, the extra cockpit console is an instrument panel for student-instructor training interface, I have entered jet fighter trainer cockpit before and had a look dude !
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Patchesagain:
[size=14pt]Hey auugubgugug... when you gunna post your uniform and weapon?

lol... i cant wait

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[size=14pt]Every modern army in this world has accountants, and PMCs use them too. Anywhere money is present to be accounted for, you find accountants.

Btwn, in the American military, graduates of accounting and all other fields are commissioned as combatant officers after relevant training, your first degree is not barrier, and few people have BSc military science, American General Colin Powel has BSc Geology and Masters Degree Business administration and he is armoured corp combatant officer.

America will accept any type of BSc into military service.

Then why are you obsessed about my photo, my red zone camo uniform and my gun ?

I will post it when you post your source for ATR-42 radar range !
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Henry120:
Again looking at your Gripen cockpit, how does this jet conduct the so called ISTAR?

Gripen does no real ISTAR, it does Recce, that is what NATO officially declared they did, and not alone, only 37% of the Recce was done by Gripen jets from Sweden. Real capable NATO Recce aircraft did the major Recce work in Libya, other aircraft did 63%.

Gripen jet is fake ISTAR....LOL !

Patchesagain:
NATO was afraid of the Shilka in the 1970's

How many JDAM's did the Shilka stop in Iraq (twice) or Yugoslavia or Libya?

Clown, CRAM ammunition was invented specifically to engage such bombs... and you think an old Shilka can do it?

Shilka is not a threat to the Gripen, Shilka is not a threat to anything modern except attack helicopters.

NATO has air to surface missiles to defeat the Shilka, but South Africa has NONE !

A high speed 1,500 km/hr air to surface missiles is as fast as a jet fighter and hard for a Shilka to shoot down, but a snail slow speed 85 km/hr South African Gripen guided bomb is a simple target practice for a Shilka radar and 4-barrel guns to tear into pieces !

ANC and SANDF-SAAF were stupiid enough to buy 26 Gripen jets and could not think of removing one Gripen from the shopping list and use the saved $50 million to buy BVR missiles and Maverick air to surface missiles. Nation of plum headed Olodos

mzilakazi:
@Henry-SA has more than $3trillion of mineral reserves in today's money more than what Nigerias 39 bn barrels of oil in reserve can make. SA is the world richest country in mineral reserves, the world's number one. That makes SA many a times richer than Nigeria.

Nigeria has more than oil, we also have gas and condensates as our second and third type of hydrocarbon. We also have many solid minerals in top world rankings, like Bitumen, Limestone, etc.

I proved it on this forum last year, Nigeria is the richest country in Africa by natural resources, second is Congo DRC.

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Patchesagain:
You said it was protected against 23mm, implying that it was completely protected from the Ratel.

In actual fact it is only protected against 7.62 with limited 23mm protection.

In future, chose your words wisely

In future, use your head wisely.

When people quote vehicle armour millimeters for you in summary, they only mention frontal armour, unless the person wants to write long story about six different armour thicknesses around the same vehicle on different parts.

Learn to use your head, a website posted BMP-2 summary below and all that was mentioned in the summary is 33mm armour

You Domingo Block-Head
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Patchesagain:
No, the Chally was penetrated by its own reactive armor. Caused by a one in a million shot. Fired by the most advanced RPG there is. And all that happened is that the driver lost a toe. Again, you are talking about something you know nothing about.

Meanwhile, when a BMP-2 gets hit by an old RPG-7

And yes, it is safe to say that not many rebel groups in the world have acess to top-of-the-line Russian RPG's

You personally old the most advanced RPG to Afghanistan terrorists?

The Challenger tank was hit by an RPG and the fact remains that it was penetrated. Simple.

The armour on the Badger IFV five times weaker than the armour of Challenger MBT that was penetrated by RPG.

Poland's Rosomak IFV in your own source was hit by an ordinary HE RPG-7 not Armour Piercing RPG or HEAT RPG-7 that penetrates even Main Battle Tanks that have 100mm solid steel armour. Does your Badger have the armour equal to a tank ? No !

Then according to your own source the Rosomak IFV was not the ordinary version, it was the special version with upgraded armour built to resist RPG. The report also says that an RPG was fired directly on the Rosomak IFV frontal armour which is always the thickest armour on any IFV.

"In early 2008 a Polish Rosomak serving in Afghanistan (the version with upgraded armor) was attacked by Taliban rebels. The vehicle was hit by two RPG-7 rockets. In June 2008 a Rosomak was attacked by Taliban and was hit in its frontal armor with a RPG. The armour was not penetrated."


Old RPG-7 HEAT shell is built to penetrate over 500mm thick armour of steel, so even if Badger IFV has double the armour of Ratel, with 40mm thickness all round, the RPG-7 HEAT will slice through the Badger like a hot knife cuts through butter.

"The RPG-7 can fire a variety of warheads for anti-armor (HEAT, PG-Protivotankovaya Granata) or anti-personnel (HE, OG-Oskolochnaya Granata) purposes, usually fitting with an impact (PIBD) and a 4.5 second fuze. Armor penetration is warhead dependent and ranges from 300mm to 600mm of RHA armour; one warhead, the PG-7VR, is a 'tandem charge' device, used to defeat reactive armor with a single shot. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7


Badger will die roasted by one single shot from an old generation anti-armour RPG-7 !

Better go write your final will on how your property will be shared among your family and close relatives. Fool !
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MikeCZAR:
Ever heard about Aerosud holdings? The company responsible for AHRLAC?

You mean the Soweto made AHRLAC toy planes that American amateurs manufacture at home in their car garages ?
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Patchesagain:
The Marauder is their only successful product?

And you have forgotten about the Mbombe
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2014_global_defense_security_news_uk/jordan_armed_forces_to_sign_a_contract_for_production_of_50_mbombe_armoured_fighting_vehicles_080514.html

Mbombe is not important, it has ONLY ONE SINGLE potential small buyer . Lol
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Patchesagain:
Gripen is responsible for 37% of ISTAR missions in Libya, with further sorties flown as a targeting platform.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17886:swedish-gripens-deliver-37-of-libyan-reconnaissance-reports&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

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Quote a NATO source, it was a NATO operation. South African source will say SANDF killed 1,000 Seleka rebels with no photo of single dead Seleka rebel available in this world from that battle in Bangui.

Nation of liars.

Your source clearly says Gripen did NO single ISTAR in Libya, Swedish Gripen did far less than half of ONLY basic and simple RECONNAISSANCE, the ISTA is missing, only the R was done by the poorly rated and incapable Gripen jets

Your source also revealed that loiter time of Gripen in Recce role is less than the 1 hour I expected, Gripen can only fly 40 minutes in patrol recconnaisance role....one of the worst patrol endurance aircraft in the world

Lol, now it's clear NATO was doing real ISTAR in Libya using American ISTAR aircraft .

Lol , no ISTAR aircraft in South Africa o ! SAAF is obsolete o !

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Patchesagain:
Where is loitering become a major stipulation?

Hunters loiter around to find the animal to kill.

Scorpion jet loiter time is a great 5 hours on patrol, good for ISTAR.

NAF ATR-42 loiter time is a massive 8 hours on patrol !!! Perfect for ISTAR !!!

SAAF Gripen jet has embarrassingly small loiter time below 1 hour, very bad for ISTAR.

NAF is the supreme master ISTAR continental power house of Africa !

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MikeCZAR:
The AHRLAC will out sale the Scorpion.

If you're saying its crap why don't tell us why?

American civilians build that ARHLAC type of toy play thing at their home backyard and park the aircraft in the garage beside their cars

Henry120:
Is it an ISTAR platform? For how long can it loiter?

Looking through my Armoured vehicle or hilux window also means i'm conducting surveillance, anyone can conduct surveillance, but which is a dedicated ELINT compliant surveillance platform?

Noisy jet engine. Speed to fast over target area. Radar range ground tracking ~60km only. Tiny cockpit with no specially dedicated ISTAR equipment consoles. Short travel range point only operational radius. Very short loiter time over target area. Zero ELINT capability....all these make SAAF Gripen jet a poor man's low profile and ineffective ISTAR aircraft.

NAF ATR-42 powerfully rules the ISTAR world of Africa from Cape Town to Cairo, while we fly, SAAF will open mouth dey look us like a Mr. lookman yussuf looking dazed
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Msauza:
They look very similar. MIG-21 of 1956.

We are happy to inform you that SAAF Hawk jets are a copy of 1974 Hawk jets. Equation balanced.

mzilakazi:
You misunderstood him because he brought that gesture only on a sense that F7s and J7s are merely a copy of MIG-21s.

http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/f7ereviewpb_1.htm

He was indecent enough to use his mother as comparison to F-7 jet, but I was decent enough to use a man that is not his blood relation.

Gripen jet is a copy of 1970s Viggen jet which is a copy of 1960s Draken jet . They are the same family copied along the family line
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EVarn:
what citation are you looking for.i have already analyzed everything about the vicker.the vicker is definitely not the best tank out there,but it can still challenge your pretty oliphants.

Vickers Mk III fires both armour piercing shells and also high explosive anti-tank shells, it will kill the Olifant
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Patchesagain:
Badger is not amphibious because we put more armor on it.

So, the same hull with more armor will surely be better at defeating RPG's than the same hull with less armor. Yes or no?

Or,

The Badger doesnt have more armor than the Rosomak and is thus also amphibious.

Which is it?

Either way, its resistant to RPG's.



Ps: stop getting so emotional

Nope, the RPG used on Rosomak is an ordinary HE RPG and NOT a standard armour penetrating HEAT RPG that is able to destroy a mighty Main Battle Tank that has 100mm amour of solid steel that your weak Badger IFV does NOT have !

In war the enemy uses all types of RPG on you, and you cannot select his weapons for him.

Show me where Badger was tested against armout piercing RPG !
....and SANDF has only 2 units of Badger IFV for evaluation and NOT yet in service !

Even if you hopefully buy it and induct by year 2020, armor destroying RPG will destroy all your Badgers like a BMP-2.

FACT !!
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