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Patchesagain:
Both Augusta crashes were due to mechanical failures

Rooivalk was flying low and at high speed and before nape of the earth equipment was fully operational

Meanwhile, Nigeria lost 3 aircraft in a month

If you have excuses for SAAF crashes, we too have excuses for NAF crashes. Equation balanced.

Anyway, NAF flies 100 times more than SAAF, you have ZERO jet combat sortie in 20 years !
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Patchesagain:
When and where does the NAF and PAF train together?

SAAF pilots of today were trained by veterans of the Border War, skills and knowledge is passed from pilot to pilot. That is how training works.

The last war between India and Pakistan that involved air to air combat was in 1971.

So if we dont have experience, they definitly dont.

But mainly: When and where does NAF and PAF train together?

The photos and official reports have been repeatedly posted on this forum over 20 times and nobody argues with it. Why should we keep going back to recycle same old story? NAF trains air to air combat with PAF and we fire missiles on our F-7 while SAAF Gripen pilots have NEVER fired a single Gripen missile since you got the jets.

Indian air force was a 100 times more deadly opponent than Cuban teenage pilots that defeated South Africa in the air war.

PAF chief of staff vowed to transfer ALL Pakistani air combat skills and experience to Nigerian pilots, we are better in air combat now 2014 than the South African Gripen crew that has ZERO experience of firing Gripen missiles
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Patchesagain:
are you implying that you are a PMC?

Pathetic excuse, show us you are an american

I am a PMC research support staff. I can only show you my uniform and gun, but my US Passport data page ? No !
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EVarn:
and how do you know that?,what proof do you have?

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He is a liar, and the lies he tells against NAF F-7 is because he was shocked when we made him realize that the missiles on NAF F-7 is equal in capability to the missiles on SAAF Gripen, he has not yet recovered from that shock !

NAF F-7NI air to air weapons = SAAF Gripen air to air weapons.

Also, NAF F-7 jets have been firing training missiles in combat with the well experienced Pakistani air force, while SAAF Gripens jets have NO training missiles and have NEVER fired any missiles in their almost 7 years of existence.

NAF pilots are better trained than SAAF pilots of today 2014, we have the edge now in jet vs jet combat !
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mzilakazi:
That answer is Alpha light attack fighters. Chengdu F7-Ni has not seen action for some time, actually more than a year from today.

You tell lies a lot, the F-7 jets are newer and better than the Alpha jets.

NAF HQ official news has declared F-7 jets do regular combat against Boko Haram in North East, they are faster to respond at distress location than the Alpha jets, the mosty urgent calls get F-7 jet response to combat action, they fly to any battle zone in less than 7 minutes.

Their speed also makes it impossible for Boko anti-aircraft to easily shoot them down even though they may get hit by some AAA shells

PHOTO: NAF F-7 JET PILOT RETURNS FROM COMBAT MISSION IN NORTH EAST
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Henry120:
In my opinion, we could have gone for additional BTR-3U's when we had the chance. The BMP-2 is still an important force multiplier for our troops though.

Chief, The BTR-3U Nigeria has now, are not able to engage Boko Haram 23mm cannon Toyotas, they will tear our BTR-3U into pieces.

BMP-2 IFV has 3km max range 30mm cannon, Nigeria will now have firepower equal to Boko Haram's 23mm and 14.5mm guns.

Balance of power will change if Nigerian army buys 200 units of cheap BMP-2 IFVs cheap second hand from Russia that has thousands in storage reserves. Price for upgraded/modernized second hand should be around $1.5 million per unit.

BTR-3U has tyres/wheels and will get stuck like Cobra in the muddy areas close to Sambisa forest, BMP-2 will use tracks to navigate the heavy muddy terrain.

Worse for Boko Haram is if Nigerian BMP-2 all come upgraded with night vision equipment and anti-tank missiles, they will change the balance of power in this war, even if NAF is not working. T-84 Oplot-M or T-90SM main battle tanks will be the expensive high tech weapons to wipe out Boko Haram from Nigeria

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[size=16pt]NAF chief of staff publicly repeats :

NAF has purchased a mix of brand new and second hand combat aircraft.

http://www.informationng.com/2014/10/boko-haram-naf-acquires-more-aircraft.html
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patches689:
WE pulled out of the Airbus deal because it was taking so long and costing too much and WE got THEM to give back our money. We pulled out.

No, SANDF is broke, SAAF could not afford to pay the balance of the money for the AM400 Airbus, so the French got angry and threw your cash deposit back into your ugly South African faces
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patches689:
NAF ATR-42 cannot operate in contested air-space

NATO and Russian AWACS connot operate in contested air space too, they need escorts like ATR-42 will be escorted.

However, with 330km super long range radar, NAF ATR-42 will be operating 230km deep inside Nigerian territory and yet it will be spying 100km deep into South African side of the frontline and relay data of your weapons positions to Nigerian army.

F-7 jets will protect the ATR-42, simple common sense.

patches689:
I asked you for proof many times and you allways run away.

Its just another of your lies.

You want me to post my American passport data page on Nairaland to satisfy you? I am not insane, you know.

mzilakazi:
Nigerian Air crashes are caused generally by the level of unprofessionalism and less flying experience.


http://leadership.ng/columns/391360/yola-nigerian-air-forces-graveyard

SAAF kissing the ground in grand style ...

https://www.saairforce.co.za/seed/public/files/article_images/944/4d08c35217ec5_large.jpg
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patches689:
So, SAAF flew 18 000 hours

All 18,000 hours are non-combat .

SAAF as a combat force, flew ZERO combat hours
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mzilakazi:
Instead, you should have been ashamed for chanting satellites as if they are your demi god.

Those powerful Nigerian Satellites put Nigeria's sophistication 100 years ahead of South Africa.

Live with it, fact !!
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patches689:
We dont care.

Because South Africa then came.

And all your markets now belong to us.

Welcome to the #Hegemony

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#Nigeria's Dangote is R.aping South Africa economically [/size]
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mzilakazi:
MTN provide best services and Nigerians couldn't let MTN to go. It won contracts in Nigeria fair and square when there was no single cellphone in Nigeria.

Before MTN came, Nigerian government had it's own cell phone network called MTEL and there was a private company called INTER-CELLULAR.

You don't know Nigeria !

mzilakazi:
You cannot beg for contracts you win it. SA companies win contracts in Nigeria doing what Nigerian companies cannot do.

Zuma refunded Nigeria's $15 million because we threatened MTN and Globacom as a technically superior company was waiting eagerly to swallow up your fear-gripped MTN.

Fine Bara, means glorified begging....South African style!
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mzilakazi:
There are many Nigerians who cried for SA citizenship and some even some bribed SA girls with huge sum of money to fake their marriage.

Many South African companies are down on thier knees in Nigeria begging for contracts and operating licences.

mzilakazi:
SA is the only African country that builds free housing to the poor

Yes, for world record notoriously lazy black south African men who refuse to work and feed themselves like men do all over the world.

Free houses for a lazy and useless generation of Soweto parasites, able bodied men whose brains and muscles have gone into lifetime of sleep and koeldrank booze

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patches689:
Gripen also fly ISTAR over the border

...and failed to catch any Rhino poachers. Fake ISTAR. Nation of olodos
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patches689:
Gripen flew ISTAR after Marikana and during the world cup

SAAF Gripen jets vs FIFA football players . Fools of Soweto
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patches689:
Post it.

Post combat sorties.

Simple task, do it.

It's here, posted twice in the last 30 days or so, Henry has the web link, I will search for it but will take time.

Simple facts that we all read here when NAF published the report.

Butt Hurt SAAF fat turkey air force that has NOT flown one single jet combat or ISTAR sortie in 20 years....Soweto Domingo air force
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andrewza:
All coutries count hours. Expect NAF because they don't want to embarse them selfs.

Post proof you have flown 1000 combat sorties?
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Source is NAF official report by chief of staff, posted here twice by @Henry.

NAF no longer counting hours as they are far ahead of the world, we now count combat sorties

patches689:
Airforce flew 18000 hours last year, 22 000 allocated "on paper"

How many hours did yours fly?

NAF is not counting hours anymore, we have gone too far beyond that low level, we now count combat sorties in thousands.

SAAF has been flying mostly transport aircraft for civilian VIP personalities sucking up your low fuel.

SAAF has not flown a single combat mission with jets in the last 20 years !

No wonder you have of 8 Gripen pilots qualified and only 12 Gripens in flying condition, the rest are in cold storage like Tilapia fish in a fish sales depot
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EVarn:
mumu,when the world trade centre was bombed to the ground,what was the US doing with its satellites and surveillance assets?

10/10 answer
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patches689:
Janes confirmed on 30 October, 2014 that the satellite (Russian Kondor-E with a SAR capability) will be aquired by South Africa, and that the project is on track.
http://www.janes.com/article/45218/south-africa-s-military-satellite-back-on-track


The only blind one around here is you. Because this link was posted 3 pages ago.

Stop wasting our time with your childish behavior. I am beginning to suspect that you are a basement dwelling 12 year old who trolls this forum because that is the only human interaction you get.

Same way South Africa boasted it has paid for Airbus AM400 heavy lift aircraft, yet it was cancelled and your money thrown back into your ugly faces. Anything can happen to a sale not completed yet.

Russia says the customer in NOT named.

South Africa has NO SINGLE satellite today

CASE CLOSED.

patches689:
Ok, so again you were having an argument that no one else was?

And you dont get battle experience in a battle?

By your own arguments Biafra and Boko Haram arent wars either... so they dont count towards your "battle experience"

And what about Cuban soldiers fighting in: Congo Crisis, Bolivia Insurgency and Yom Kippur War?

Finally, when did these "Cuban girls" defeat the SANDF?

Clown, you just spew nonsense in this forum. You were destroyed a long time ago, all you have left is mindless trolling.

Biafra and Boko Haram are declared wars that lasted years, not 3 day coup detat in Cuba that you call a war.

Biafran surrender was signed as a war end, Nigerian government officially declared war on Boko Haram.

A political coup to overthrow a government is not a war, it is civil disobedience mixed with treasonable felony.

Shall we count all Nigerian coup detats that involved tank vs tank and add it to our war experience list ?

Nigeria had many big coup detat, biggest ones in Africa.
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mzilakazi:
I really cannot see anything special there.

I really cannot see anything special in the SAAF videos too.

patches689:
you arent American.

You asked an oracle or astrologer ?

mzilakazi:
SADF girls killed over 10 000 of them.

With HIV infection?

EVarn:
only three jets have been lost so far.and i've explained how they crashed.

SAAF almost grounded all Hawk jets after a training accident some months ago.

South Africa has less air crashes because their jets hardly ever fly except for ceremonies like Mandela funeral.

USAF flies a lot and crashes more than Nigeria.

mzilakazi:
That's untrue, SA pilots train more often than many African countries including Nigeria. The thing is that we are used to keep our pilots in the air for too long and when that is not happening as often as we want to it becomes a political game.

Nigeria trained Zimbabwean air force and many others.