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Patchesagain:
Who said that 2,4km counts as high altitude?

Kargil India average is 2.6km, so define for us what is high altitude, since 2.6km counts as high, but 2.4km is not, according to you.

Show us proof of that claim, how 2.4km is low and 2.6km is high

We are waiting...fool !
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Patchesagain:
Augustus

Fh77B max range with standard ammunition is around 20km

FH77B max range with base bleed is 30km

FH77 can acheive a max range at high altitude of 42km.

G5 and G6 out-range the FH77B at low altitude, that their max range will also increase at altitude, meaning they will also out-range it at altitude.

Show me source from DENEL or SANDF to prove your claim of G5 and G6 extra range in high altitude

Do you know what you just proved ?

Nobody else, no other source ever quoted artillery ranges by gun altitude above sea level.

No data is available for almost every other artillery gun in existence.

Do you know what that means?

It means all your story of different range based on gun altitude is A CHARADE, a mirage, A FALLACY, falsehood, YOUR PRIVATE IMAGINATION, lies from the pit of h.ell

Patchesagain:

High altitude would be 49km with standard base bleed, 62km with VLAP, 83km with G6-52

Show me DENEL or SANDF source to prove your claim of G6 extra range at high altitude, I am waiting ! Bwahahaha

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@All South Africans :

1. What is the maximum range of Bofors FH-77B artillery at low altitude and at high altitude ?

2. What is the maximum range of G-6 Rhino artillery at low altitude and at high altitude ?

Answer all questions with reliable sources to prove.

Una go see how yawa go gas with dis question dem o !

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mzilakazi:
Your Bofors will only shoot up to 30 km.

One South African says 30km

Patchesagain:
Fact of the matter is that the maximum attainable range of the Bofors FH77B in Africa is around 20km.

Another South African says 20km

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This proves that these South Africans are confused, ignorant, and fraudulent at the same time

They hate Nigerian Bofors artillery 42km range and they will one day argue and sh.oot each other over it
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mzilakazi:
@Agau, does Nigeria have the same Bofors as India?

Yes
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Patchesagain:
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@Patches the fraudster, Africa is full of mountains and lands from 1km to 8km altitude, Indian Kargil where Bofors was tested is only 2.6km average.

Even Nigeria has lands 2.4km high, Ethiopia 4km, Tanzania , Uganda, Morocco much higher than Kargil, so if your fake altitude theory is used , Bofors will fire to 42km range in Nigeria too

Pateches, you are locked in a self trap


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_highest_point

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mzilakazi:
@Agaugust, do you know anything about G6-52 howitzer? Do some research about it firing range.



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G6_howitzer




Maximum range:
30,000 m with standard HE rounds,
39,000 m with HE base bleed rounds,
and
42,000 m with HE base bleed rounds (BB
—fired from G6-52)
50,000 m with HE base bleed rounds (BB
—fired from G6-52 Extended Range)
52,500 m with a special velocity-
enhanced Long Range Projectile (V-LAP—
fired from G6).
58,000 m with a special velocity-
enhanced Long Range Projectile (V-LAP—
fired from G6-52).
67,450 m M9703A1 V-LAP round (tested
successfully to 73,000 m by Denel in G6-52
Extended Range platform)

Unfortunately South Africa has only 38km maximum range artilery shells .

Nigeria has 42km range artillery shells
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Patchesagain:
With base bleed

Nigeria does not have base-bleed


Nigerian guns max range: just over 20km

Nope, the Indian army captain did NOT mention base bleed, you are the one adding your own fraud to his facts.

No arms log records any country's base bleed. Show us list, a full list of all countries that have base bleed shells in this world
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Patchesagain:
Augustus. I dont think I can make this any more simple for you.

That range is only acheivable at high altitude

The pictures are of guns at high altitude

The base of the mountains is at... you guessed it (probably not)... high altitude

Or do you not understand geography as well as basic physics?

There is no where in Africa where such altitude can be achieved

The Indian Officer did not say "the range is achieved when on the top of mountains" he said "at high altitude"

Please explain to the forum why altitude is irrelevant and why they must be on a mountain top.

Fact of the matter is that the maximum attainable range of the Bofors FH77B in Africa is around 20km.

20km range for Bofors?

Thé Indian army video at about 2:20 mins says with ordinary HE shells the range of Bofors FH-77B is 31km, so you now cut it down to 20km in your desperation and fraud ?

Your drones flying to target for G-6 gun will be shot down, the Indian captain is focussed on artillery working alone, not with any drone flying.

Who told you there is no 2.6km mountain or altitude land in Africa?

Fool, failed Geograhpy in your pathetic South African schools.

Atlas mountains North Africa.
Gotel Mountains West Africa.
Kilimanjaro Mountains East Africa.
Ethiopian mountains Horn of Africa.
Etc.

Fact remains that artillery shell is slower and loses range in cold Himalayas mountain because cold air is heavier than warm air, and Indian Himalayas is snow covered and snow cold as proved by your own photos, so it actually reduces artillery range, it does NOT increase it.

Nigerian and Indian Bofors FH-77B artillery max range 42km
South African G-6 artillery max range 38km

Go jump into river Zambezi if Nigerias superiror artillery range hurts you

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Patchesagain:
Quote where I said that.


Ok, if you insist:



Its pretty clear that you think air at high altitude is more dense because it is cold... the irony that you have been bragging about superior nigerian education is too much for my sides

Now the Indian army video NEVER said what you claimed, the army Bofors artillery officer said range is 41km at altitude, simple.

This is a lie

in the video he says "at high altitude areas the gun acheives a maximum range of 42.3km"

The officer did NOT define it as low altitude, medium altitude, or high altitude.....there are 3 levels of altitude and all of them above ground/sea level. You are the one who personally claimed that the man meant high altitude because you want to twist the information to commit fraud as usual. Also the army Captain did not specify what is at altitude, the gun or the target far away.
He just said "At altitude". Finish.

He defined it as "high altitude areas"

Thus he meant high altitude.

As usual, you are the one who is commuting complete and utter fraud

and, as usual, when losing an argument you claim every-one else is commiting fraud, acting like you are some honest victim

You have been completely and utterly exposed in every way

You are the one changing the analysis to high altitude, gun sitting on mountain top where there is snow and nobody can climb, then Bofors is heavy artillery too heavy for Indian helicopters to sling airlift.

Indian army has the Chinook - the Chinhook can sling the FH77 with ease.

They also have roads in the Himalaya's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khardung_La sits at 5,359m above sea-level
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsimik_La sits at 5,777m above sea-level

This means that they can drive the guns up to where the air is half as dense as it is at sea level

It does not need to be on the top of a mountain when the average altitude of the Himalaya's is over 6000m above sea level - it simply has to be in the mountain range.

This has been a wonderfull few days for me, I have broken Augugugbgugug and exposed his lies on a day to day basis.

Unfortunately for you, your quoted 5.7km lands are not where the Bofors was used in battle, it was in Kargil and the altitude of Kargil is far much lower at only average 2.6km and that includes the snowy slippery slopes of mountains where artillery gun cannot climb, force of gravity will pull it down, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil, and Indian helicopters cannot lift the heavy 24,000 pounds Bofors guns.

Sorry you messed up again as usual, you are locked in a perpetual trap with this argument


Thanks for admitting the Bofors range is 42.3km, longer range than the 41km I said before from army guide website. Thanks

Thanks for proving me right with your 3 photos, the gun is shown on flat lands, pointing barrel towards high altitude mountains....

Your photo clearly proves the gun is NOT on the mountain, it is on flat ground with brown soil, gun points to mountain target, the mountain is white covered with snow and colour is white.

The gun is placed on brown coloured flat ground, not white snow mountain

Proves me right, prove you wrong, the artillery is clearly on flat ground at the bottom of the mountains while the target enemy is sitting on high altitude mountains where the Bofors has advantage of seeing the higher ground targets up to 42.3km

Thanks @Patches for providing 3 photo evidences to prove yourself ABSOLUTELY WRONG

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Patchesagain:
Quote where I said that.


Ok, if you insist:



Its pretty clear that you think air at high altitude is more dense because it is cold... the irony that you have been bragging about superior nigerian education is too much for my sides

Now the Indian army video NEVER said what you claimed, the army Bofors artillery officer said range is 41km at altitude, simple.

[size=15pt]This is a lie[/size]

at exactly 2:36 in the video he says "at high altitude areas the gun acheives a maximum range of 42.3km"

The officer did NOT define it as low altitude, medium altitude, or high altitude.....there are 3 levels of altitude and all of them above ground/sea level. You are the one who personally claimed that the man meant high altitude because you want to twist the information to commit fraud as usual. Also the army Captain did not specify what is at altitude, the gun or the target far away.
He just said "At altitude". Finish.

He defined it as "high altitude areas"

Thus he meant high altitude.

As usual, you are the one who is commuting complete and utter fraud

and, as usual, when losing an argument you claim every-one else is commiting fraud, acting like you are some honest victim

You have been completely and utterly exposed in every way

You are the one changing the analysis to high altitude, gun sitting on mountain top where there is snow and nobody can climb, then Bofors is heavy artillery too heavy for Indian helicopters to sling airlift.

Indian army has the Chinook - the Chinhook can sling the FH77 with ease.

They also have roads in the Himalaya's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khardung_La sits at 5,359m above sea-level
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsimik_La sits at 5,777m above sea-level

This means that they can drive the guns up to where the air is half as dense as it is at sea level

It does not need to be on the top of a mountain when the average altitude of the Himalaya's is over 6000m above sea level - it simply has to be in the mountain range.

This has been a wonderfull few days for me, I have broken Augugugbgugug and exposed his lies on a day to day basis.

Thanks for admitting the Bofors range is 42.3km, longer range than the 41km I said before from army guide website. Thanks

Thanks for proving me right with your 3 photos, the gun is shown on flat lands, pointing barrel towards high altitude mountains....

Proves me right, the artillery is on flat ground at the bottom of the mountains while the target enemy is sitting on high altitude mountains where the Bofors has advantage of seeing the higher ground targets up to 42.3km

Thanks @Patches for providing 3 photo evidences to prove yourself ABSOLUTELY WRONG

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Patchesagain:
Lol, now this guy wants a photo of every mountain range in the world

You have been shown how artillery gets into the mountains.

You have been shown artillery in mountain ranges.

What more do you want?

Keep squirming clown. This is very entertaining

All the photos you showed are artillery guns on flat ground pointing to a mountain to fire into it.

It's your turn to prove your claim with sources, you failed, you are running away with excuses for your open failure.

@Patches is badly screwed trying to carry heavy artillery to mountain top, his helicopter rope/chain broke

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Patchesagain:
Your own source says so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvZjxq3kYSs

This is boring, its too easily to debunk your pathetic arguments.

Hell, its gotten to the point where you are humiliating yourself!!*

*I seriously cannot beleive that you just tried to tell us that air at high altitude is more dense than air at low altitude!!

Quote where I said that.

I didn't even bother to talk about density of air at high altitude, all I said was and is that the snow in the photos tell you that you cold air on Himalayas mountain and cold air is heavier than hot air, I proved that with a source that gave example of golf ball shot that travels same parabolic movement like artillery shell, the golf ball is slowed down by heavy air on a cold day. Simple physics your Soweto brain will never know until I told you today.

Now the Indian army video NEVER said what you claimed, the army Bofors artillery officer said range is 41km at altitude, simple.

The officer did NOT define it as low altitude, medium altitude, or high altitude.....there are 3 levels of altitude and all of them above ground/sea level.

You are the one who personally claimed that the man meant high altitude because you want to twist the information to commit fraud as usual.

Also the army Captain did not specify what is at altitude, the gun or the target far away.

He just said "At altitude". Finish.

You are the one changing the analysis to high altitude, gun sitting on mountain top where there is snow and nobody can climb, then Bofors is heavy artillery too heavy for Indian helicopters to sling airlift.

@Patches, learn to accept defeat as you are a sunk ship already

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FighterPilot:
Don't you think that is too early to celebrate? Your military and Boko Haram are just playing cat and mouse.

No, it is you South Africans who celebrate too early every time Boko Haram appears to hold a town, but your joy turns into sorrow in a few days when Nigerian army flushes the Bokos down the toilet and tear their Islamic Caliphate into pieces with bullets and shells.

Count your blessings disappointments name them one by one

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ActivateKruger:
Agububu doesn't know how artillery gets on top of a mountain...

Who told you that helicopter is moving the artillery to mountain top ? Show us where it landed because all the terrain in your photo is flat land....Mumu

I will mess y.ou up badly every time you struggle to get out of this Bofors artillery trap you pushed yourself into

Try again
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Patchesagain:
congratulations on embarrassing yourself augugbguggug. [/size]

Air at high altitude is less dense than air at low altitude

If the entire mass of the atmosphere had a uniform density from sea level, it would terminate abruptly at an altitude of 8.50 km (27,900 ft). It actually decreases exponentially with altitude, dropping by half every 5.6 km (18,000 ft) or by a factor of 1/e every 7.64 km (25,100 ft), the average scale height of the atmosphere below 70 km (43 mi; 230,000 ft)

In summary, the mass of Earth's atmosphere is distributed approximately as follows:[23]

50% is below 5.6 km (18,000 ft).
90% is below 16 km (52,000 ft).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Physical_properties

Meaning that the air in the Himalaya's is half as dense as the air at ground level - this allows the shell to travel further

You see, my South African education has been proven to be superior to your bush-school education. This is basic, primary school, knowledge we are talking here. Knowledge you seemingly dont have.

South African Education > Nigerian Peasant Education

[size=16pt] Biggie Fool [/size]

Artillery shells don't go straight up in the air 10km high ! The barrel is not vertical, it is inclined only, fool

If gun range is 20km and it wastes 10km climbing up the sky like an aero plane, the gun loses half it's shell travel range and falls down wasted half way before reaching target.

Your quote applies only to aeroplanes that fly 10km to 20km altitude, not artillery shells that do not even reach the clouds in the sky !

South African education is 100 years behind Nigeria

Cold air is all over Himalayas mountains because of snow, I live in snowland and snow is all over my house and yard now as I write, the air is heavier than normal warm terrain and it creates friction/resistance to vehicles we drive through it.

South Africa imported science teachers from Nigeria, now I see why your country came begging us to help improve your brains

# Show us how cold mountain air increases artillery shell range when it actually slows down the shell
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Patchesagain:
O

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Dude, high altitude means the gun is fired at.... you guessed it... high altitude

Shells achieve ultra-long distance ranges there because the air is thinner, hence lest resistance to the shell in flight.

This is basic high-school physics. You should know this.

I have allready posted a picture of a Bofors in the Himalaya's, where the average elevation is 6000m above sea level - high altitude

This is pure desperation on your part, driven by the inability to comprehend even the simplest things

Physics ? You ? South African ? Science ?

You boxed yourself into a corner, see all your posts with no source to proof, no citations.

The real physics is that cold air on high altitude is heavier and gives more resistance to the shell and slows it down, cold air is a dense harder matter for shells to travel through, your science is crappy from your South African crappy schools


"Cold air is much heavier than warm air and this is the basis for much of what we call weather. You may have heard that a baseball or a golf ball will travel further on a warm, humid day than it would on a cold, dry day. Since the warm, humid air is less dense, the ball travels through it with less friction."

http://www.weatherdudes.com/facts_display.php?fact_id=51


Nigerian education beats South African education again as usual, your SA schools are rated only for beautiful buildings

You are stuck in a position of defeat and self humiliation @Patches !


Show me a source that says Bofors artillery range increases by a whole extra 10km in a heavier cold mountain air !

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ActivateKruger:
While the Nigerian Armed forces run to the nearest border.

Centrifude:
Sh*t is messed up man, I thought Patches and the others were just screwing with them, I didn't think it was that bad.

FighterPilot:
Nigerian military is caused to run helter-skelter in disarray by just a ragtag Boko Haram.

[size=16pt]All we see is Boko Haram running like chicken everytime Nigerian army attacks.

Boko keeps abandoning their Islamic Caliphate Kingdoms and moving from city to city getting chased like goats.

Haramites have become beasts of no nation....homeless....dying at the mercy of Naija bullets.

Best army in Africa flushed Boko Haram down in the toilet in Chibok again !!!

http://www.punchng.com/news/military-recaptures-chibok-from-boko-haram/

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Patchesagain:
I said 4000 because you first started saying that we deployed only 4000 men to the border.

Quote where I said that.

I have always said 18,000 at border, and 4,000 at frontline.

MPLA was 120,000 after bush war in year 2001. In bush war they had 70,000.

Cuban figures are disputed between 25,000 to 60,000. Average is about 40,000, add MPLA 70,000 you get 110,000 not 140,000
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Patchesagain:
Why does it need to be on a mountain top?

Its in a mountain range


Or do you think that slippery snow makes the shell go further?

No, you are the fool that thinks artillery shell range increases because the gun is 'on a mountain top', how does it climb ?

Even ordinary hills of Gwoza Nigerian light artillery could not climb, now heavy artillery will climb up Himalayas mountain? fool !

At altitude means the target is on high land and you can see the shells landing on target, nobody tows artillery to mountain top, Bofors is driven by Scania vehicle, like a truck, it cannot climb mountain and helicopter cannot airlift Bofors artillery, so how does it leave army based and climb mountain ? Fool
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Patchesagain:
Why is a slippery slope with snow relevant?

Here you go again, Bofors in the Himalaya's at over 6000 meters above sea level... the top of mount kilimanjaro is only 5,800m

Your Bofors photo shows the artillery on flat ground level with grass on it, NOT on a mountain top

How will artillery climb up a steep mountain slope in Himalayas, see snow all over the mountain, slippery snow

Fool of Soweto
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mzilakazi:
I was among 200 strong force which defeated approximately 3000 Seleka rebels in Bangui. I travelled many places in CAR, viz, Bangassou, Bambari, Bria and many villages around Bangui enforcing security for our instructors. The most memorable spot was along the banks of Ubangi river where our sappers used to fetch water for purification and around the vicinity of university of Bangui. Not to forget the screams from the locals greeting us in sango languages with great jubilance on our way to M'poko international. The warm greeting of the sango people screaming "Balao or Bonjour" is all that is engraved on my mind to date. However, I miss my comrades who fell in CAR.

You are more like a comedian by profession, your story looks like those used by Boy Alinco trying to impress Miss Pepeye
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mzilakazi:
Firing at those woods, stones, etc is very important and always pays off. The superpowers do it most of the time.
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Super powers fight real wars, Afghanistan, Iraq, Falklands, Bosnia etc.

All standard armies of this world fire at wood during training, even Togo Republic does it, so what's special if SANDF fires at wood in training, are you trying to impress the army of Lesotho ?

Nigeria fights real wars after real training at defence academy, and periodic exercises and shooting range competitions

SANDF is forever sleeping at home with wives and prostitutes that refresh their HIV viral load
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Patchesagain:
Now you post like a child?

First you say 120 000, and i point out that is completely wrong

Then you say "no no, I meant UNITA and FNLA"

I point out the number is still no where near 120 000

And now another killer blow: According to the same wiki page you posted, FNLA numbers in 1976 were only 7000

So, 60 000 + 7 000 = 67 000

So, you are still well short of your supposed 120 000

Now you say "hurr durr its impossible"

Well, its not. Fact of the matter is that 20 000 (averaging only 4000 year on year) SANDF personnel stopped 150 000 Cubans and MPLA dead for 25 years in a row. We never lost a single battle. No Cuban or MPLA ever stepped foot on Namibian territory.

This is a historical fact.

Deal with it.

.....And the same Wiki source puts the South African army at 20,000 while you cut it down to 4,000

Same source puts MPLA and Cuba at 130,000 while you pushed it up to 150,000.

Then you now said 4,000 SADF defeated 150,000 MPLA and Cubans, you wiped out ALL UNITA and FLNA, then you say I am lying ?

You are the liar.....4,000 Vs 150,000

Deal with it below !

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Patchesagain:
4 000 men faced 150 000 men in Angola.... and yet the 4 000 came of tops year after year

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Patchesagain:
I dont have to.

I have allready shown you one at high altitude.

You say that you don't have to show me, and then you say you already showed me...Contradiction.

You did NOT show us any Indian Bofors artillery on top of Himalayas mountain that has slippery slope with snow....LAIR

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Patchesagain:
The gun is clearly seen in the Himalayas mountain range. The Himalayas have an average elevation of 6,100m. This is known as high altitude. Just for reference, the highest point in Africa is 5,895 meters.

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#Show me photo of Indian Bofors artillery gun on Himalayas mountain TOP

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Patchesagain:
Still quoting wikipedia?

Brah, UNITA numbers were 60 000 - from a real citation
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false


And 60 000 + 20 000 =/= 120 000

Remember, you said 120 000 UNITA forces? Must I quote where you said that again to remind you?

And you were the one who said 4000 SADF, not me.

Your argument is collapsing in on itself.


Twist and turn all you want, your lies are on record for all to see

I didnt care about exact numbers, because its an old old argument I have posted before, there are many different sources and I dont care to waste my time on it after 2 years os repeating the same old story. UNITA had FNLA joined together with them, UNITA was not alone, I just didnt care to list names of all those in the war. I dont have time for trivial issues and repeating old stories like a stammerer.


All I proved is SANDF 4,000 men did not fight 150,000 MPLA and Cubans, or else the Cubans will capture Cape Town in 7 days

You posted a big and unrealistic lie and I crushed it with one blow, now you are butt hurt.
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Patchesagain:
So you are saying you have Excalibur now?

And, again, you are telling lies. The 60km range is acheived with the Archer FH77 BW L52. Not the FH77B gun!![/b]

YET ANOTHER LIE TO ADD TO THE LIST!![/size]

And why do you specifically want pictures of a gun towed up a mountain top? I have already shown you guns can be moved up there.

But if you insist, here you go, pic related, Indian Bofors FH77B in the Himalaya's - a.k.a HIGH ALTITUDE

Show me Indian artillery on Himalayas mountain top, fired from there, yet the guns tyres did not roll down mountain steep slope

Bofors FH-77B fires same series of shells as Bofors Archer including Excalibur 60km range.

The 60km is not the gun, but the shell that carries rocket assistance, the extra rocket is not on the gun, its on the shell....fool

All videos of Indian army shows the Bofors on flat ground, not on steep slippery sliding snow covered mountain slope....fool

They were on ground and fired into mountains to dislodge Pakistani army that occupied disputed mountains....fool

[img]http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/attachments/p1080147.jpg-174494d1310496880[/img]

Patchesagain:
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[size=15pt]UNITA had a maximum number of only 65 000 in 1990 (we had left by then)[/size]
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false

And 4000 men face 150 000 and survived for 25 years... winning every single battle

We only deployed 4 000 men as that is all we needed to whoop the MPLA and Cubans. We send more when what is there is winning?

Ps: I love it how the number of SANDF in CAR grows every time you mention it... in a few years you will be saying there was a whole Division of SANDF in the CAR

[size=14pt]UNITA joined forces with FNLA that had over 20,000 soldiers to add to UNITA

SADF was counted at 20,000 men, total with UNITA and FNLA is over 100,000 already.

You were the one telling lies that 4,000 SADF defeated 150,000 MPLA and Cubans

Go read history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War

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Patchesagain:
A round up of the weeks lies as told by Augubgugug

1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's
2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men
3. Nigeria has 660 feild guns
4. UNITA had 120 000 men
5. 300 SANDF fought in CAR
6. Nigeria has Base-Bleed 155mm shells

Isnt this the same guy who left the thread after accusing us South Africans of telling lies?

[size=14pt]Try prove me wrong if you can [/size]
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Patchesagain:
Blah blah blah

Nigeria has no base-bleed

FH77B 40Km+ range is only achievable at high altitude with VLAP

South Africa makes VLAP ammunition, so if we want it we have it.

Your max range is 24km. Ours is 39km.

Finished en klaar

And no, our SAAF chief was not talking about the SANDF. Repost the quote.

The post is from South Africa, so you quote it here as a repeat.


Show me where VLAP for Bofors FH-77B is said to be 41km.

The Indian army made NO mention of any shell apart from standard and base bleed in the official video.

VLAP for Bofors is Excalibur and range is 60km .

"The range of the gun is extended to 60 km with the precision-guided Raytheon/Bofors XM982 Excalibur round. The Excalibur shell is corrected in flight towards a pre-programmed trajectory by a GPS guidance system." Wikipedia.


At altitude means what? Gun is towed to mountain top? Last time you posted helicopter airlifting artillery, is that a tow? Helicopter is air force, show us a modern army towing artillery to mountain top to deploy there.

You lost again, as you always do, bobo loser
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