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Patchesagain:
Hey numbnutz

Smoke obscures the target

If the gunner cannot see the target he cannot guide the Swingfire onto the target

Conclusion: Smoke also defeats the Swingfire

Also, you have no laser-warning. So you will only know the Ingwe is there after the first batch of Nigerian tanks explode.

Nigeria has inferior tanks to the SANDF.

Smoke does not jam wires guidance, smoke jams laser and your Ingwe is the victim, our Swingfire is the victor.

Ratel has no radar to detect the Swingfire, they need to see Nigerian infantry, and SANDF is driving outside in a vehicle, Nigerian Swingfire is hiding in a house, behind wall, in the bush or behind a barrier/obstacle, so Nigeria sees South Africa, you will not see us.

Fact is that we are launching the Swingfire before you launch the Ingwe, that is the bid battlefield operational disadvantage SANDF will face driving armoured vehicles in the open streets or fields against Nigerian army Swingfire tank-killer missiles that are hand/tripod stand controlled and hidden from view.....Ratels die without knowing how we killed t.hem all. PITY PITY PITY PITY

PHOTO ONE : SANDF RATEL WITH INGWE MISSILE EXPOSED ON THE FIELD AND EASY TO KILL

PHOTO TWO : ANTI-TANK MISSILE LIKE NIGERIAN ARMY SWINGFIRE HIDDEN FROM VIEW TO KILL THE UNLUCKY RATEL AND INGWE


SANDF IS WIPED OUT. CASE CLOSED !!!
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Patchesagain:
Egypt about 1.5 million soldiers, about 30,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers etc

Egypt has 468,500 soldiers in its army

It has 22 000 armoured vehicals - most of which are obsolete.

Britain about 150 thousand soldiers, about 6,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers.

Some of the most advanced and best trained soldiers in the world.

Egypt has fought bigger modern wars against more powerful enemies than Britain has done in modern times.

England is one of 2 nations in earth that has fought a modern air-land-sea war

Egypt is not one of them.

Egypt has also never won a war in its modern military history. England is undefeated since the 1770's

Britain hides many times under USA/NATO joint forces.

They didnt when they crossed the globe to annihilate the Argentinians.

Egypt will beat the British on land

The Egyptian military is poorly run, has obsolete doctrine, largely obsolete equipment and has performed terribly in every single war it has ever fought - it has yet to win one.

During the Yom Kippur war a paltry Isrealy armored Divison (led by ariel sharon) defeated 800 000 Egyptian soldiers. A division defeated and trapped 3 whole army groups!! 800 000 defeated by less than 20 000!!!

You see, your understanding of military matters is the same as a childs. You think numbers are everything. They arent, they never have been and never will be. In modern warfare, quality will always defeat quantity.

Everything you wrote above is defeated by the fact that you don't know Egypt has about 1.5 million soldiers.

About 500,000 regulars and 1 million trained reserves.

Egypt's last war with Israel was a draw/stalemate and Israel was almost overwhelmed.

Britain defeated Argentina that had zero war experience and an army of youth conscripts who surrender without common sense.

I an not comparing air and sea, I said Egyptian army is more powerful than British army today.

Egyptian equipment includes modern 1990s to 2000s year generation American-European tanks and missiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_modern_Egyptian_Army

Britain is NOT any better, Britain is much smaller in equipment and out-numbered 10 times in infantry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Army#Weapons_inventory

You make fraudulent claims and struggle to escape the traps you set for yourself
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ActivateKruger:
Tanzania, give us a break. Tanzania might be good (even better than Nigerian Forces) but they were nowhere close to accomplishing what we did.

They brought in artillery because they simply dragged it in from across the border, we brought in effective machines - Rooivalks. Their SF didn't conduct behind the line operations like ours, in fact there was nothing special about their SF -Parabats are a higher crop of soldiers than them.

Articles clearly state two occasions where the M23 ran across to Uganda after a defeat, first was when our Rooivalks were involved then second was when our Special Forces used snipers and mortar to overrun M23 positions which led them to flee (like Nigerian troops) to neighbouring Uganda.

I have proved with sources that the air war was joint operation between MONUSCO Mi-35 Hinds of Ukraine and FIB Rooivalks of South Africa, the glory belongs to United Nations led by army Generals from Brazil and Tanzania.

"Another South African news outlet, DefenceWeb, reported that the Rooivalks had conducted their offensive operations against M23 positions in partnership with a pair of Mil Mi-24/35 ‘Hind’ helicopters of the FIB. The report was not clear on who was operating these Hinds, but India and Ukraine are known to have contributed such helicopters to MONUSCO – the United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the DR Congo."


http://defense-update.com/20131107_rooivalk_combat_debut.html


CASE CLOSED

Patchesagain:
And you forget that South Africa has more and better ways to waste your entire armored formations.

I posted a comparison between Nigerian armor and South African armor and you were so shocked and saddened that you fled the forum for a full 48 hours. Do you wish me to do it again?

And you are moving the goalposts... first we are talking Ingwe v Swingfire... now you are talking about artillery? That is literally moving the goal-posts.

Post your NA vs SANDF armour comparison again I dare you !

I never run from this forum, I quit once in a while when I am tired of your fraud and open lies, and I always announce my quitting with reason, even the Admirals and Generals in SANDF will not make me run away in a debate, they have military training and I have it too.

Ingwe Vs Swingfire, smoke defeats Ingwe laser lights, Ingwe can only travel in a straight line, Swingfire cannot be jammed by smoke, it's wire guidance makes it swing around corners and deceive the target, Swingfire is better than Ingwe, reason why Egypt still uses them after battle experience with Israeli tanks, and China is now making new wire guided missiles after realizing that smoke defeats laser beams.

Swingfire is superior to Ingwe based on guidance system reliability.

Nigeria has more tanks than South Africa's dry land only semi-immobile army
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patches689:
And I see you have already backtracked, from: "the whole world was involed" to "all 20 MONUSCO nations" to now only saying 4 were involved

The fact is that the FIB only exists because of aouth Africa

Hence the lions share of the glory goes to South Africa

Nope, MONUSCO was involved in some last combat, and majorly was flank-guard and rear-guard protection for FIB, war is like that, you secure a theatre, not just a field of ops.

Tanzania brought D-30 long range artillery and used them to decimate M23, South Africa brought in Rifles, LOL, Lion share of glory goes to Tanzania, SANDF still desperate to steal UN glory because they have no other war to show the world except Seleka rebels catastrophe
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patches689:
Other way around- Rooivalk were called in to replace the hinds

They replaced nothing, they jointly fought together, that news has been posted here many times. Why are you 99% a liar in your comments?

Is there no man of honour in the whole of South Africa?

"Another South African news outlet, DefenceWeb, reported that the Rooivalks had conducted their offensive operations against M23 positions in partnership with a pair of Mil Mi-24/35 ‘Hind’ helicopters of the FIB. The report was not clear on who was operating these Hinds, but India and Ukraine are known to have contributed such helicopters to MONUSCO – the United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the DR Congo."

http://defense-update.com/20131107_rooivalk_combat_debut.html

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patches689:
So now you want to include artillery?

Moving the goalposts already?

And no, Cuban and Angolan T55s did not see the ZT3 that killed them

And if you deploy smoke then you cannot advance, or else you lose your smoke cover and are a nice target for ingwe

Deploy smoke and then you get blasted by G5s and G6's from 39km away- safe from your artillery. They can also hit moving targets, and the vulture drone will not be deceived by smoke.

Also, SPGs are terrible tank destroyers.

Can I now include Rooikat, Gripen, rooivalk, olifants, Milans, Valkyrie, Hawks et al?


feel free to move the goalposts AGAIN and you will be defeated AGAIN

I am not moving goal posts, I am only showing you how many different ways and means Nigerian army will waste your Ingwes and Mass M.urder Ratels.

You are the fools that believe Nigerian army has only AK-47 and Toyota Hilux. LOL

None of the SANDF equipment you listed above has any gun with 24km range direct fire mode with X8 high power magnification telescope like Nigerian Palmaria.

Ingwes and Ratels die together when they meet Nigerian army . PROVED to your chagrin
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Patchesagain:
Cubans didnt kill any Olifants

How could real-life recordings made in the heat of combat be propaganda?

Anybody can record lies on radio, we did not see video, clear video, full image video evidence.

You say Cuba did not kill SADF Olifant tanks? Here are Cuban youths disgracing South Africa in grand style....

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Patchesagain:
Why would the Ratel ZT3 fire all three at once?

What will happen is:

1. Ratel ZT3's fire first slavoe of Ingwe from a distance of 5km
2. Nigerian Armour cannot detect Ingwe because lol no laser warning
3. Numerous Nigerian tanks explode as though they were made from pure explodium
4. Surviving Nigerian tanks deploy smoke - because Nigeria has no weapon that can reach the Ingwe's which are 5km away
5. Smoke clears - Nigeria prepares to engage the ZT3's... but they are no where to be seen (what is shoot and scoot?)
6. While scanning for the ZT3's andother batch of Nigerian vehicals explode...

This happens two more times, once ZT3's have expended all their ammunition... they pull back to reload in safety.

That is battlefield tactics.


Conclusion: Ingwe > Swingfire
Sub Conclusion: SANDF Armor > Nigerian Armor

Mumu battlefield tactics, more like Policemen vs Armed Robbers on your street

You failed woefully because you forgot that if the SANDF Ratel can see the Nigerian army Swingfire launcher, the Nigerian too can see him, so we are both sides are alert and ready for a fight. Then you launch your Ingwe and the Nigerian sees the flashing light of the missile burning booster and the long trail of exhaust smoke exposing the Ingwe missile to public eye-view of everybody. The Swingfire man launches defensive smoke immediately.

You South Africans fight military wars like Policemen chasing robbers in Soweto, this Patches fool thinks Ingwe is targeting some poor old men blind beggars on the street who cannot see a whole armoured vehicle


Nigeria has 50 Palmaria with 1,500 HE shells for direct fire mode with the 155mm gun having 24km range and special 8 times target image magnification/enlargement periscope electronic sight to target all Your 50 Ingwe Ratels long time before they come close to Nigerian lines, your Ingwe 5km range is up against a high calibre Palmaria gun with 24km range !

SANDF is dead before they can fire one missile.

You don't know how many different weapons Nigeria can use at will? ALL SANDF Ratels are suya roasted meat before us
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Patchesagain:
Nope.

FIB was the only MONUSCO unit that was allowed to attack M23, Indians were breifly involved in the Defence of Goma (which they failed at) before the FIB was deployed.

Rooivalk was called in because the Hind was found to be unable to be effective

SANDF units were commanded by South Africans.

Dude, this is established fact. I have no idea why you continue to dispute these facts.

Dude stop lying, Ukrainian Hinds from MONUSCO joined SAAF Rooivalks from FIB to jointly attack M23 in final battles, that news report has been posted here many times repeatedly.

Tanzanian Brigadier General commanded the whole FIB by merging your head with that of Malawi and then submerging your heads and the Malawian heads deep under Tanzanian command, control, authority, leadership and domination....that causes you HUMILIATION

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ActivateKruger:
Yet your soldiers ran away in Mubi like nuts...now they are dead trying to retake Mubi.

Your photo is likely that of a Ugandan or Somalian soldier killed by El Shabab, surely NOT Nigerian army.

Will you like it if I post Congolese dead soldiers as SANDF casualties ?
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mzilakazi:
UN never used missiles because there were none. I don't think Nigeria would have mind to use just a single anti-tank missile against BH if they had any operational missile just to prove a point. To my understanding, Nigeria does not have any operational anti-tank missile. There is no way of taking this argument further since they have failed in every aspect just to utilise a single anti-tank missile. BH has proved on different occasions to be in possession of tanks to which the anti-tank weapon has been specially developed for.

You don't need $50,000 missiles to kill a tank when $1,000 HEAT shell from small Sagaie or Scorpion will do the job.

Reason why SANDF-SAN does not want to use expensive Exocet against enemy gunboat, they are thinking of cheaper options, read defenseweb

There is common sense in warfare, you don't have unlimited resources to waste
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Patchesagain:
Egypt more powerfull than the British Army?

O

MY

GOD

You have proceeded to full mental impairment

Egypt about 1.5 million soldiers, about 30,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers etc

Britain about 150 thousand soldiers, about 6,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers.

You only imagine a nation is powerful because of it's name. Egypt has fought bigger modern wars against more powerful enemies than Britain has done in modern times. Britain hides many times under USA/NATO joint forces.

Even Nigeria has more artillery than Britain today, not to then mention Egypt. All Britian uses to bully people is nuclear weapons and NATO defense pact. India will defeat Britain on land, sea, and air.

Egypt will beat the British on land

Your comments are 99% voodoo logic and only 1% fact if at all there is any fact in your posts

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mzilakazi:
Let us hope nothing goes wrong this time and that operation no mercy is a success.

Thanks
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mzilakazi:
Whoever claims that Nigerian military has operational anti-tank missile must be a fraudster because they could have tested it on BHs tanks. People, Nigeria is now desperate more than ever and they are in the position to use everything in their inventory to realize victory against BH. We want to see those anti-tank weapons being used if they are operational

Expensive Swingfire missiles on Boko Haram's APCs ?

How many missiles did UN forces use in Congo DRC on M23 rebels?

A waste, only one single shot from any of Nigerian army Sagaie , Scorpion, or Vickers will tear any Boko APC or T-55 tank into pieces.

Ordinary hand held RPG with HEAT ordnance will waste Boko APCs, Nigeria has thousands of RPGs.

Maybe South African army will be foolish enough to waste Ingwe missile on an gun armed rebel APC
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Patchesagain:
How about the Radio recordings of the Crew during the battle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JnHOS8SIPE

((((BOOOM))))

South African army radio recordings of South African propaganda.

Why don't you record the Cuban killings of SADF Olifant tanks and Ratels ?
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patches689:
I have seen it before on Janes I think

It's a command module for the Skysheild system

Prove it, stop making things up
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mzilakazi:
CAR which is thousands of kilometres away from SA has witnessed that SANDF with only limited weapons can still hold on to their ground without fear. The people of CAR witnessed fire they never saw before. Our comrades in arms with only limited firepower which was imposed on them by the French because their mission was not peacekeeping but to train the national defence by offering them military skills, could by no doubts suppress the insurgents to the level of raising a white flag in a bid of negotiating for cease fire. The insurgents could be hit from far by MGLs and many of them gave up their ghosts screaming hard for their mothers. The only thing that you could hear was a cry from a young boy who ran out of ammunition because rebels could only afford to give them single magazine loaded with a mere 5-6 rounds.

I know you will ask me about equipments left behind, not even weapons but vehicles which were used for the mission. The government of SA could not bother to leave such equipment behind because everything that was in there was already bargained for and would have been left behind even after the mission was completed. The equipment were already removed from SANDF inventory and so we had nothing to lose. The only objects that were to be airlifted back to the country after the parliament took that decision were military personnel and their weapons. All tents, geckos et al were to be left behind in accordance with what the parliament has resolved.

Nigerian army was attacked by Liberian rebels who out-numbered us, we did not withdraw, we did not wait for UN or AU approval, Nigeria sent reinforcements and fought many years war until we saved our fellow black brothers by sacrifice of battalions of Nigerian blood.

South Africa failed to do in C.A.R Republic what Nigeria did in Liberia

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ActivateKruger:
Buhahahaha

A Ratel took out 3 Cuban tanks in a single morning with Ingwes

Show me a neutral source to prove that claim, not your usual Southie propaganda machinery news of deception
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mzilakazi:
The man on that picture handled the rifle incorrectly, no wonder BH is giving them gas because of their lack of training of doing simple correct handling of rifle. A real soldier like me with an experience knows how to handle the rifle correctly.

Go handle your rifle in front of Seleka rebels and get back your SANDF Gecko vehicles
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Patchesagain:
UN FIB was composed of 3 Nations.

UN FIB defeated the M23

South Africa was the biggest contributor to the FIB.

Nope. liar.

MONUSCO has about 20 countries, and some of them joined FIB to defeat M23.

Ukraine is from MONUSCO, yet their Mi-35 Hinds joined Rooivalk to attack M23 since the Rooivalk was poorly armed with only one French gun and some dumb European rockets.

MONUSCO and FIB fought together, and in FIB only Tnazania used D-30 long range artillery to subdue M23, Tanzania also planned and commanded South Africa in FIB, the brain that defeated M23 is Tanzanian brain, South African military has no brain to win a war
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Patchesagain:
Yes, and effective range is 1,3km.

You can only accurately and effectivly engage targets at 1,3km.

The shell will hit target at 7km with multiple fires, less accurate but still deadly with multiple fire.

Bullets kill at their max range, just needs multiple rounds to make up for deflection.

Patchesagain:
Yes, light travels in straight lines.

So if smoke obscures the target your gunner has nothing to shoot at. How can he swing your missile if he does not know where to swing it to?

Smoke defeats the Swingfire like it does the Ingwe.

The Swingfire launcher releases smoke, blocks Ingwe laser lights, wastes all 3 ingwes as each one is launched. Ratel becomes defenceless, Swingfire launcher sees smoke clear off (smoke is air swept, it clears quickly) then fires Swingfire, Ingwe perishes forever, PITY

The above is what is called BATTLEFIELD TACTICS, only the war skilled knows those things, they study your weapon, take advantage of your weapon's weakness, use the advantage of their own weapon to defeat you.....BATTLEFIELD TACTICS for each weapon vs weapon engagement is not available for South Africans to copy and paste online.

Naija Ninjas will continue to shock Southies. PITY

Patchesagain:
England invented and produced the Swingfire.

They no longer use them.

The UK is a hyper-power. Egypt is a lowly regional power.

Egyptian army is more powerful than British army today

Egypt still uses Swingfire like Nigeria
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Patchesagain:
No, you have not shown that you have the equipment to mount it on a stormer.

Egypt uses the Swingfire on mounted vehicals only - so yes it appears that it does have to be driven around to kill

It has replaced its man-portable systems with Milans and Javelins.

Exocet is still a viable technology and uses the correct seekers. Wire-guided ATGM's are obsolete.

Dude, dont come here with your voodoo logic

No, you have voodoo logic to show your dullness in the skull

Your SAN Valour frigate Exocet block 2 missiles are out-dated and replaced by Block 3 version, so your warships have useless missiles.

China just developed a new wire guided missile in 2000s, they are NOT obsolete, the world is still developing and using wire guided missiles because they cannot be jammed by smoke like your laser missiles.

Only wire guided missiles can turn around corners to hit target, laser missiles like your foolish Ingwe are forced to travel only in straight lines or else they miss target.

You say Egyptian Swingfires are vehicle mounted, now show us photo of ALL Egyptian Swingfire launchers to prove your fairy tale.

Swingfire is still in use by oil rich countries, all want to keep their powerful Swingfire missiles that cannot be jammed like the smoke defeated Ingwe.

Saudi Arabia with one of the best equipped armies in the world still uses her Swingfire missiles.


Then you say Swingfire has to be driven around by vehicle to kill, yet you say Egypt has replaced its man-portable systems with Javelin, well photo below shows Javelin being used to kill without being mounted on a vehicle, DENEL South Africa in 2013 last year developed new Ingwe missile without vehicle to be fixed on a tripod stand, so the newest Ingwe 2013 system cannot kill? Your fake voodoo logic....

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ActivateKruger:
The Swingfire is almost 50 years old, it doesnt matter when you get it because its half a century old[/size]

Your Cobra will never see a minute of action against the SANDF, its useless technology - the gunner sits outside... sniper sniper sniper, LMG, LGM, Ratel, Ratel, Rooikat,Rooikat[/size]

Oliphants have infra-white, they can see through smoke.... they will put a HUGE hole in your mixbag machanised infantry [/size]

Ever head of the "scotched earth policy"? it when artillery and rockets are used to clear whatever infantry is hiding on the ground.... poor Nigerian army who will be spotted by SANDF UAVs then teared apart by the G5 and G6 super canons and Rooivalk rockets... Your ill-trained army will never fire a single AT gun.

......oh the SAAF Gripen will reign supreme on your useless trainer jets and Air Supremacy will be ours to hit any Nigerian target on the ground.

The Hollywood war movie script you wrote above is hilarious and I cannot stop laughing

LOL, you wrote a war story where only you was attacking, and your enemy was watching you as if his own hands are chained and padlocked.

@Mike.ZA used to right insane Soap Opera Drama stuff like that when he first joined this forum, it took a while to re-arrange his confused brain, but he is better educated by Nigerians now, so I advice you go borrow the Nigerians' war notebooks we gave him to read and cured his insaniity that got him the comical nick-name PAPA AJASCO
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Patchesagain:
Did the whole world fight in the FIB?

Yes or no

Did South Africa fight alone in Congo DRC?

Yes or no?

Glory thief !
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Patchesagain:
First, your anti-tank guns have a range of 1.5km

Second, how will your tank crews know to fire smoke cover if they dont know they are being targetted?

Third, the Ingwe is seeing massive international sales. The Swingfire is not.

Swing-fire is obsolete... the people who make them no loger use them

Range is 7km max for Nigerian recoilless rifles


M40 Recoilless Rifle
Rcl106lat2.jpg
Greek infantry with an M40
Type Recoilless rifle
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service Mid 1950s–present
Used by See Users
Wars Vietnam War
Cambodian Civil War
Portuguese Colonial War
Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
Rhodesian Bush War
Falklands War[citation needed]
Iran–Iraq war
Libyan Civil War
Syrian Civil War
Production history
Manufacturer Watervliet Arsenal
Specifications
Weight 209.5 kg (462 lb)
Length 3.404 m (11 ft 2 in)
Height 1.12 m (3 ft 8 in)
Shell 106×607mmR (HEAT, HEP, HEAP, Canister)
Caliber 105 mm (4.1 in)
Recoil Recoilless
Carriage Tripod
Elevation -17° to +65° (between mount legs)
-17° to +27° (over mount leg)[1]
Traverse 360°
Muzzle velocity 503 m/s (1,650 ft/s)[1] (M344 HEAT)
Effective firing range 1,350 m (1,480 yd)
Maximum firing range 6,870 m (M346A1 HEP-T)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_recoilless_rifle#cite_note-2
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Patchesagain:
How does the gunner land the missile on target if he cannot see the target because of smoke?

People are getting rid of wire guided for a reason

Olodo, the Swingfire is named swing because it has special uncommon ability to swing around in circles and curves unlike your dumbo Ingwe that follows only a straight line laser light, or your own light turns around corners ? Fool, law of physics South African education cannot teach you...light travels in a straight line always....Olodo

The Swingfire will smoke out all your Ingwes and force you to waste the 3 missiles and lose them to smoke, then he will launch his own Swingfire because Ingwe on Ratel can only be reloaded when the Ratel occupants come outside to carry the missiles for reload, then they die by Swingfire along with their unlucky Ratels. PITY PITY PITY
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Patchesagain:
First, your anti-tank guns have a range of 1.5km

Second, how will your tank crews know to fire smoke cover if they dont know they are being targetted?

Third, the Ingwe is seeing massive international sales. The Swingfire is not.

Swing-fire is obsolete... the people who make them no loger use them

Lies, Egypt makes Swingfire and still uses them, Egypt is a world power and strongest military in Africa 2014
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Patchesagain:
Show us the launcher for the APC

Show us the targetting system for the APC

What are you just going to strap the swingfire on with duct-tape and hope for the best?

Nigeria has no stormers armed with the swingfire

The official launch platform for Swingfire is those Stormer vehicles. It is only a dull South African brain that cannot mount an ATGM on a vehicle, even ISIS can do it.

Nigeria has Swingfire and the Stormer vehicle, completes the required combination.

Nigeria has not shown any of it's Swingfires in public, whatever way they mount it, they have it.

Swingfire does not need to be driven around to k.ill, and Egypt the strongest military in Africa still uses Swingfire till today 2014.

Same way South African navy Valour frigates still uses old Exocet MM40 block that has long ago being replaced by block 3.

If our Swingfires are ineffective, then your old generation Exocets are also ineffective . Equation balanced

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Henry120:
http://ynaija.com/nigerias-navy-is-on-the-right-track/

Read the link.

Forget about the lynx, they are in storage.

Yes Lynxes are in storage. What are the other mystery helicopters in that article apart from the 6 Augustas?

Nigerian military secrecy can choke somebody o !