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DieVluit:
Proof that he's lying would be nice.

Simple, one out of dozens...@Patches said on previous page that Nigeria has no Bofors FH-77B, yet he has been shown on SIPRI arms database many times in the past months, he continues to say no at random. That is deliberate lying....that's the main reason I sometimes leave this thread for many days, why should I waste time debating with an open liar and fraudster ?
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DieVluit:
SA soldiers ambushed in Sudan
Published: Today, 5:00 AM
Source: SAPA
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Johannesburg - Two SA National Defence Force soldiers deployed as part of a UN/African Union peacekeeping force in Sudan have been wounded in an ambush near their base, the SANDF said on Thursday.

"The injured soldiers were airlifted by helicopter to the hospital in El Fashir shortly after the ambush. The two members are in a critical but stable condition in the UN hospital," said Captain Jaco Theunissen.

He said two other soldiers sustained minor injuries during the ambush.

The ambush took place at approximately 12:35 on Wednesday when a section of 4 SA Infantry Battalion, who had to fetch water from a nearby waterhole in Kutum, came under fire from a suspected rebel group.

"Had it not been for the swift reaction, high standard of alertness and vigilance of the SANDF members, it could have been a different story," said the battalion commander, Lieutenant Colonel Andries Matlaila.

Matlaila said the training his troops received in South Africa prior to the deployment, coupled with the equipment they used, played a pivotal role in repelling the attack.

The rebel group, whose intentions were unknown, were forced to withdraw due to the outstanding retaliation by the South Africans, he said.

This attack followed similar attacks earlier on Ethiopian and Tanzanian forces, in the vicinity of Korma, about 20km away from the South African deployments near Kutum base, in the Northern Darfur region of Sudan.

The incident happened at a time when the Sudanese people were preparing for their national elections scheduled for April or May next year, which the SANDF as part of the peacekeeping force would be required to support.

You want me to post how Sudan's armed robbers robbed South African army and stripped SANDF of weapons and body armour?

SANDF army officers crawled like terrified cockroaches back to base in boxer shorts
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Patchesagain:
First, you said Nigeria has the FH-77 B05 L52 - now you confirm you were telling lies to us?

Second, maximum range for the Fh-77B is 30km

So now two of your lies have been exposed!!!

Army guide said it, not me, I posted the website source here over 20 times.

However, I take the Indian army official evidence as final, and SIPRI backs it up. Nigeria has FH-77B, the extra B05 L52 is irrelevant, all I care about is the range of 42km that beats SANDF flat to the canvas with a punch in the right eye....TECHNICAL KNOCKOUT
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Patchesagain:
Second, the British use an older version of the Starstreak

Show us where it says that we got the same missiles as the United Kingdom

Show us a source that the British built older version for the Queen's royal army, champions of NATO, and built a newer version for Zuma's army, victims of Seleka.

You want to be greater than your master the Englanders that ruled you with iron fist and Nigeria + OAU had to rescue you and Mandela ?

Starstreak I is Starstreak I and it does not have two types under version I, I is I.

The British army and government is final authority. Live with it, your new 'Mokopa' lie is hereby demolished
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Patchesagain:
HAHAHAH!?!

Is that your source? an unknown man in a video?

Ok, ,here are my sources:

30km max range
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

30km max range
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/fh-77.htm

30km range
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/fh-77.htm

30km range (even wiki is correct for once)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haubits_FH77

And this 30km range is only achieved by advanced Swedeish base-bleed ammunition, which Nigeria does not use. So its actual operational range in the Nigerian army is around 20-25km

Take your lame duck, short range artillery elsewhere. The big boys are playing

All your sources above are crap written by civilians.

The best source of any weapons data is the army that uses it, the video is official from Indian army, both India and Nigeria are proved by SIPRI to have Bofors FH-77B and the Indian army says it's range is 42km with base bleed, and Nigeria has it, SIPRI does not record ammunition sales or shells sales.

Same way South African army official website says you have G-5 and G-6 artillery with max range 39km, so Nigeria CLEARLY out-ranges South Africa, your SANDF is the small boy that makes photos of short range artillery with over-rated pedigree.

Same way British army source on Starstreak missile says SANDF has the 1km max ceiling foolish missile, worst in Africa.

No military source ever said SANDF ordered AHEAD ammo for CRAM, so you don't have it.

All your claims are just another Mokopa ATGM scandal

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Patchesagain:
Dont have to, the source has allready shown that it uses AHEAD ammo.

And SIPRI does not list ammunition transfers.

Finally, Rheinmettal has a factory in South Africa - we build the ammunition ourselves

Okay, then because Bofors guns use 60km range artillery shells, then Nigeria also has it as ammunition for our 73 Bofors FH-77B, right ?

Nope, max range ammunition for the FH-77B is only 30km

Ammunition in the Swedish Army order included the locally developed HEER projectile, developed to meet the requirements of the Indian Army which, when used with charge 9, has a range of 30,000 m. HEER-BB (High Explosive Extended-Range - Base Bleed) was included in the order and the FH-77B could also use ammunition already stockpiled by the Swedish Army.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

[size=14pt]And you dont have the FH-77B[/size]

The equation does not balance because your 3rd world 1970's army cannot rival the SANDF in any way, shape or form.

Case closed

Case open


Until you show me SIPRI database of AHEAD ammo or a source that says SANDF ordered and paid for AHEAD ammo, you don't have it and you will never have it until you buy, it is European made. SANDF has ZERO CRAM capability today. FACT !

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Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B.....that has ruined the whole long story you posted above, completely ruined your argument.[/size]


Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2013
Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 31 October 2014


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Sweden
R: Nigeria (48) FH-77 155mm Towed gun 1982 1983-1985 (48) FH-77B version


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php




Now you see how you post falsehood and garbage on this forum ? Nigeria has FH-77B version of Bofors artillery, and were delivered up to 1985, not the 1978 you quoted. Fool

India followed Nigeria with the same Bofors FH-77B in 1986, same artillery gun


Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 31 October 2014


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Sweden
L: India 114 FH-77 155mm Towed gun (2013) FH-77B version; selected but contract not yet signed

R: India 410 FH-77 155mm Towed gun 1986 1986-1991 (410) $1.6 b deal; planned production of more in India cancelled

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php



The Indian army says and proves in the video below, that Bofors FH-77B artillery has 42km range....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaK1jFg8JBE


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Nigeria and India both have Bofors FH-77B artillery with 42km range....

Confirmed in the above video

Now case closed

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Patchesagain:
The British army that the missile was produced for, says officially and authoritatively that the maximum Starstreak I missile ceiling is only 1km, your private website is referring to starstreak II which even the British are still trying to get into full service as at now 2014. SANDF is fvcking around with version I at 1km max ceiling, worst expensive missile in Africa.

Nope, that website I quoted specifically says Starstreak 1

furthermore, Starstreak is VSHORAD

The Uhmkonto GBAD's will be in service shortly.

So, we have better VSHORAD (its so good it competes with your GBADS)

And we will have better GBADS

Game. Over.

LOL, Game On

Deagel website is known for posting wrong data, it says Nigeria has 12 MBB 339 CD the 4th generation jet upgrade...

"In July 2006, Alenia Aermacchi and the Nigerian Ministry of Defense signed a maintenance and avionics upgrade contract on behalf of 12 MB-339A aircraft. The contract was valued at $84 million and will see the Nigerian airplanes upgraded in two six-aircraft batches."

http://www.deagel.com/Trainers-and-Light-Attack-Aircraft/MB-339A_a000696001.aspx

The final authority is the British army that uses the missile, Deagel is not the army that uses them and has none of the missiles, the missile owners, the British that sold it to you say Starstreak I has max ceiling 1km....

http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23273.aspx

Do you see the photo below from my source? The copyright says 2014 Crown Copyright, means the Queen of England, British government final authority, the Royal crown, approves the content of the website of the British National army as authentic and factual.

So your British masters are telling the whole world that the Starstreak I missile they built and sold to South Africa has maximum ceiling of 1,000 meters = 1km only.

Worst missile in Africa

SANDF has the worst air defense in Africa, Togo republic will mass R.ape soweto army with Alpha jets

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ActivateKruger:
Agububu, don't try your smart with me because It only exposes your f00lishness. You said there were crates of weapons with APCs at the airport but no one knows the numbers... So no one in Nigeria can count? is that your argument?

If you're here to confirm that none in Nigeria can do stock counting then its wonderful, all numerical figures you have given to us are invalid because after all you cannot count.

Use your brain like an adult. Nobody knows means people in public dont know their numbers, the few top level defense officials know, and they are not here on Nairaland joking forum to waste their time with your type. Fool
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Patchesagain:
Refer to the archives, Starstreak 2 confirmed by defenceweb

And even Starstreak 1 has a 6km range and 5km altitude

The Mach 3 Starstreak I missile introduced in 1997 features a maximum parabolic range of 6,000 meters against airborne targets flying below 5,000 meters of altitude.

http://www.deagel.com/Surface-to-Air-Missiles/Starstreak_a001059001.aspx

AHEAD Ammo - Denel Dual Purpose 35mm
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6656:fact-file-denel-35mm-dual-purpose-gun&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

What were you saying?

The British army that the missile was produced for, says officially and authoritatively that the maximum Starstreak I missile ceiling is only 1km, your private website is referring to starstreak II which even the British are still trying to get into full service as at now 2014. SANDF is fvcking around with version I at 1km max ceiling, worst expensive missile in Africa.

DENEL built dual purpose gun at home, show me source that you bought the CRAM ammunition made in Sweden or Germany, I need SIPRI source that proves you imported the CRAM ammo, show me now !!!

Okay, then because Bofors guns use 60km range artillery shells, then Nigeria also has it as ammunition for our 73 Bofors FH-77B, right ?

You wish to balance the equation? Let us do so if you say so
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ActivateKruger:
When the article was released, SA was the best military in Africa after Egypt.

What's your point?

Algeria is superior to South Africa, 48 latest Su-30 Flankers, 100 modern Trainer jets, BVR missiles, anti-radiation missiles, air to surface missiles, 5 air to air refuelling tankers, 36 Mi-35 Hinds, 1,000 T-72 and T-90 tanks, 38 Pantsir SAM air defense, 250,000 army regs and resvs with 11 years modern war experience, deadly assassin special forces with combat experience, 6 submarines, 13 Frigates and corvettes with missile range 250 km anti-ship. Lots of weapons South Africa cannot afford to buy with her defence budget.

Morocco is almost as strong as Algeria, so South Africa is lost far behind even Ethiopia.

You South Africans are just fools with minds locked up in prison by the ANC that deceives you daily with false information that you have the best country in everything in the whole of Africa, you live in a fully hypnotized condition and mind bondage of delusions .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppsigGLPfPY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg3fmQ4aisI

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patches689:
We dont need to list the Russian sattellites to know that they exist - because we know they exist
http://www.space.com/19307-russia-launches-military-satellites.html

The new russian sub that was scareing the Swedes is suspected to be first of the Borei-class "Knyaz Oleg" which just happened to be at "sea trials" when the Swedes started freaking out

So yes, we can. What was your argument again?

ActivateKruger:
I can name one fabricator - agaugust.

Nigeria is not (even after a million years) in the Russian league, Russia builds her weapons and imports very little. So yes they can develop weapons in secrecy and store them, Nigeria IMPORTS almost all her weapons so it shouldn't be hard to count crates of weapons at the airport... If no one can count them they're therefore the Emperor's New Clothes which cannot be seen by anyone because they don't exist.

List how many spy satellites Russia has, and how many new generation submarines, list the numbers because that is the only proof they exist, and how many they are in numbers.

Also list the equipment Nigeria was trying to buy for $15 million from South Africa, since the list of all imported weapons is available on internet according to you.

Also list how many Norinco AGL and MRAPS, plus SPARTARN APCs Nigeria has, since internet data is the only proof of the weapons Nigeria has imported and their numbers.

Olodo rabata .

patches689:
SIPRI simply lists it as Starstreak

But, we have 2 other sources that state that the Starstreak 2 was ordered and delivered.

Your argument is pathetic

SANDF CRAM Ammunition

SIPRI does not list ammunition sales.

and we have multiple sources that list its use
http://free-proxyserver.com/browse.php?u=jeG%2BQyq40mhJAbC6AavTBzDV40aQwdGnnsHcmusr5goN5QEytpY%2B4eNYZ3XpTpwtKKGMFATCGMaGQhmz7mhVAff7nWcKS37dEU1b42mAxQBWdJA51mC6zSGejqJFgEcrupRoS3LH%2BMza7XxMrNjCAoXaBqdFeaEmSeaV5dtOu1f9v2Ezsum%2F8ZXlo0l4yw%3D%3D&b=0&f=norefer


If you cannot show me then shuut up.
The only one around here who claims mythical arsenals is you

SIPRI called is Startsreak I because that is what it is, at the time and date you ordered, version II was not existing.

Yet up to 2013 the version II was still being expected in British Army service, so show me how South Africa has it

Okay you ordered it? Show me web link source to prove it, I asked 3 times and you could not answer with proof

Now I know you are in a mess like the Mokopa mess that stinks with falsehood and fake info

The craaaazyu weblink you posted above shows you are totally messed up in your own shiit and poohpooh

See what your link says about 'CRAM ammunition'....

"This site is built to help web surfer like you navigate the web worry free. With our free proxy server, you can browse the web securely knowing that your privacy is completely protected. Browsing the web through our server will mask your ip with our ip so you will remain anonymous."

That is SANDF CRAM ammunition source, abi ? You must have your head stuck inside a pit latrine soaking up the shiit

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ActivateKruger:
If nobody can list them, they therefore don't exist.

Can you list the of Russian spy satellites and newest generation submarines correctly?

If you can't and you conclude they don't exist, then you are extremely retaarded, saying everything that is not published on internet or news media does not exist.

List the names of all demons in existence.....oh, they don't exist if we cannot list them....fool
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ActivateKruger:
Agububu do you remember this...



.....I answered by saying this





I'm still waiting......

If your own laptop has no google search engine, then keep waiting till you have money to buy modern microsft software.

I am not your servant to run errands of google search for you, click each of those items you listed, get Google result in one minute and copy paste it here for us to see.

If you can't, then you may be one of the unemployed South Africans using government social benefit internet, I hear that it's always low on megabytes so you have to stingingly economize data usage.

Olodo
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patches689:
Egypt had their last ISTAR upgrade around 2008, Nigeria upgraded 2013.

Egypt has no aircraft to match Nigerian Beechcraft and Surveyor aircra

Doesnt matter when they got it, they have better base systems than you

Nigeria has both version A and version B of Bofors, we got them in batches, some 1980s some year 2000s, they are the worlds best artillery systems, Swedish arty is world leader.

Nope, you only have the origionals from the 1980's

and your limited range artillery is no where near the best. M777 and G5 are worlds ahead.

So you are wrong there

SANDF has ONLY Starstreak I version and ceiling is max 1km, one of the worst in Africa.

Artical was posted not so long ago that clearly said we took delivery of Starstreak 2.

I also just posted a citation published before the delivery saying that they had been ordered.

So nope, wrong there as well.

SANDF has no CRAM capability and no Badger IFV in service today as in your posted photo, or else Nigeria too has T-84 Oplot tanks, get it ?

No i dont get it.

We have:

1. Badgers in South Africa in SANDF colors
2. Multiple sources outlining their order (both the badger and CRAM)

You have:

One grainy photo of unidentified armored vehicles, in a parkinglot in the Ukraine, from an unknown source

No proof whatsoever that it has been ordered.

You cannot afford the T84. And Ukraine cannot afford to sell any... I dont think you noticed.. but they are in the middle of a war right now.

Your Submarines and data-link has not helped you arrest one single pirate after 2 years of patrolling the oceans

Which is a great way of saying that you have nothing that compares.

[size=15pt]let me remind you: You lack -

- a data-link
- a pure blood 4th gen fighter
- submarines
- advanced missile armed frigates
- tactical vehicles
- mine clearance devices
- standardized MGL's and AGL's
- precision munitions
- dedicated attack helicopters
- modern ATGM's
- modern IFVs (or even a plan to get some)
- modern transport helo's
- capacity for EW warfare
- CRAM
- modern or modernized armour
- standardized equipment
- You also dont have enough MRAP's and Radios
- you use the AK-47

Conclusion: The Nigerian military does not compare to the SANDF in any way shape or form. We have better armor, better artillery, better naval vessels, better jet aircraft, better air-defence, better ATGM's, better combat systems, better CnC and better equipped infantry. Nigeria is a 1970's military through and through [/size]

Thanks for playing. NEXT

Badger IFV is NOT in service anywhere in this world, SANDF has 2 units for evaluation purpose only.

Show me in SIPRI all the following:

SANDF Badger IFV

SANDF Starstreak II SAM

SANDF CRAM Ammunition

If you cannot show me then shuut up.

Don't bring in weapons on order, Nigeria has $2 Billion worth of weapons already flowing in at Lagos seaport Abuja airport, and Markurdi airbase, crates and crates, vehicles and vehicles nobody can list them all. Get it? Oh yes you do get it !

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patches689:
Egypt had their last ISTAR upgrade around 2008, Nigeria upgraded 2013.

Egypt has no aircraft to match Nigerian Beechcraft and Surveyor aircra

Doesnt matter when they got it, they have better base systems than you

Nigeria has both version A and version B of Bofors, we got them in batches, some 1980s some year 2000s, they are the worlds best artillery systems, Swedish arty is world leader.

Nope, you only have the origionals from the 1980's

and your limited range artillery is no where near the best. M777 and G5 are worlds ahead.

So you are wrong there

SANDF has ONLY Starstreak I version and ceiling is max 1km, one of the worst in Africa.

Artical was posted not so long ago that clearly said we took delivery of Starstreak 2.

I also just posted a citation published before the delivery saying that they had been ordered.

So nope, wrong there as well.

SANDF has no CRAM capability and no Badger IFV in service today as in your posted photo, or else Nigeria too has T-84 Oplot tanks, get it ?

No i dont get it.

We have:

1. Badgers in South Africa in SANDF colors
2. Multiple sources outlining their order (both the badger and CRAM)

You have:

One grainy photo of unidentified armored vehicles, in a parkinglot in the Ukraine, from an unknown source

No proof whatsoever that it has been ordered.

You cannot afford the T84. And Ukraine cannot afford to sell any... I dont think you noticed.. but they are in the middle of a war right now.

Your Submarines and data-link has not helped you arrest one single pirate after 2 years of patrolling the oceans

Which is a great way of saying that you have nothing that compares.

[/size]]let me remind you: You lack -

- a data-link
- a pure blood 4th gen fighter
- submarines
- advanced missile armed frigates
- tactical vehicles
- mine clearance devices
- standardized MGL's and AGL's
- precision munitions
- dedicated attack helicopters
- modern ATGM's
- modern IFVs (or even a plan to get some)
- modern transport helo's
- capacity for EW warfare
- CRAM
- modern or modernized armour
- standardized equipment
- You also dont have enough MRAP's and Radios
- you use the AK-47

Conclusion: The Nigerian military does not compare to the SANDF in any way shape or form. We have better armor, better artillery, better naval vessels, better jet aircraft, better air-defence, better ATGM's, better combat systems, better CnC and better equipped infantry. Nigeria is a 1970's military through and through

Thanks for playing. NEXT

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90% of your above post is all cooked up lies
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patches689:
Nigeria has the biggest and most modern artillery weapons in sub-saharan Africa, Bofors FH-77 and Palmaria SPHA

Bofors Fh-77 - entered service in 1978
G5 Artillery - entered service in 1983

Palmaria - entered service in 1982
G6 - entered service in 1987

Both our weapons systems are more modern. Both have greater range. Both are more advanced.

Nigeria has the biggest, most powerful, most sophisticated ISTAR aircraft force is Africa, even Egypt is behind us by far.

Egypt has 160 known drones, they also have two Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye

You have one nice asset, they have a better system of assets.

conclusion: Egypt is superior

Nigerian army air defence missiles have ceiling/altitude of 5km while South African army air defence missile ceiling/altitude is only 1km

Starstreak 2 has a range of over 6km and an altitude of 5km - we have just received our orders of Starstreak 2
http://www.deagel.com/Surface-to-Air-Missiles/Starstreak_a001059001.aspx

Our SAM's are more modern, advanced and leathal than yours.

Nigeria has battalions of amphibious armoured fighting vehicles, while South African army is equipped for dry land warfare only.

The MPLA and Cubans had battalions as well, they didnt help them.

Pro-tip: Amphibious vehicals have less armour
Pro-tip: We have bridge layers

[size=14pt]Nigeria also does not have:

- a data-link
- a pure blood 4th gen fighter
- submarines
- advanced missile armed frigates
- tactical vehicles
- mine clearance devices
- standardized MGL's and AGL's
- precision munitions
- dedicated attack helicopters
- modern ATGM's
- modern IFVs (or even a plan to get some)
- modern transport helo's
- capacity for EW warfare
- CRAM
- modern or modernized armour
- standardized equipment
- You also dont have enough MRAP's and Radios
- you use the AK-47
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It has been an absolute pleasure obliterating your post

It's your pleasure telling open lies at random.

The archives of this forum proves you wrong.

Egypt had their last ISTAR upgrade around 2008, Nigeria upgraded 2013.

Egypt has no aircraft to match Nigerian Beechcraft and Surveyor aircraft.

NAF beats the whole of Africa in ISTAR, Egypt is under our spy satellite network like a TV, we watch them, but they cannot see us.

Nigeria has both version A and version B of Bofors, we got them in batches, some 1980s some year 2000s, they are the worlds best artillery systems, Swedish arty is world leader.

SANDF has ONLY Starstreak I version and ceiling is max 1km, one of the worst in Africa.

SANDF has no CRAM capability and no Badger IFV in service today as in your posted photo, or else Nigeria too has T-84 Oplot tanks, get it ?

Your Submarines and data-link has not helped you arrest one single pirate after 2 years of patrolling the oceans
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DieVluit:
And he went full racist. So, if you support him and if we play the game, don't cry when the thread gets messed up.

You know I can bring it. Anarchy is a post away.

Don't add to my words things I did not say.

I never mentioned race and I am the one who started anti-racism campaign on this thread when @CraigB attacked black people last year.

I said @Postmann called South Africa glory-thieves and he is very right about that. United Nations military success of about 20 countries in Congo DRC is being stolen and broadcasted as South African military achievement on this forum, so we should keep quiet and watch you guys fabricate lies and spread falsehood here?

Thief, ole, barawo banza, thiefu thiefu Jankoriko
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patches689:
.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?

First, you are buying sub-par equipment.

Second, your arsenal is pathetic, let me list some examples:

1. ALL of your heavy armor is obsolete (T54/55, AMX, Vickers)
2. Your light tanks are also, obsolete
4. You operate 21 seperate models APC's and IFV's and Scout vehicals - most are obsolete or aging, this mean that they are of limited use and are a logistical nightmare
5. ALL of your ATGM's are obsolete
6. Your artillery is a mess
7. You air defence is completely obsolete and based on a hodgepodge of 4 seperate gun systems and 4 obsolete missile systems

Your arsenal is a mess, is well beyond block obsolescence

It shows that you have no single direct doctrine, it shows that your logistics in operations will be a mess and rumor has it most of them arent operational

,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?

The fact that you need to send your troops for training shows you are weak.

if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent

And your country and economy will be in the tubes as you are spending 2/3s your budget on your military

f the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed"

Boko haram alone has been whipping you so no, you wouldent

And he is talking about the destabilizing effect of a civil war in a country with a population of 150 million

can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA

The tanzanian military would be target practice for us.

SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

The irony of this sentence

South Africa too has thousands of old outdated 1980s generation weapons and 1950s aircraft, we have posted that many times here and tired of repeating them.


Nigeria has the biggest and most modern artillery weapons in sub-saharan Africa, Bofors FH-77 and Palmaria SPHA

Nigeria has the biggest, most powerful, most sophisticated ISTAR aircraft force is Africa, even Egypt is behind us by far.

Nigeria has battalions of amphibious armoured fighting vehicles, while South African army is equipped for dry land warfare only.

Nigerian army air defence missiles have ceiling/altitude of 5km while South African army air defence missile ceiling/altitude is only 1km

Nigeria is the only country from Cape Town to Cairo that has military use spy satellites to watch a whole country from space and locate all their heavy weapons from thousands of kilometers away with pin point accuracy of lacation.

Nigeria has the most experienced army in Africa as at today 2014.

I think you are very lazy to do simple research.

Also, the current aircraft arsenal of Nigerian air force is NOT published, 4th Genration and ultra-modern jet fighters were delivered last month and the Air force chief said they will be shown to public later.

https://www.creativecrash.com/system/photos/000/322/182/322182/watermarked/Pal_7.jpg

ActivateKruger:
I said counter my post with Google links not make-up your own stats.


...... I'm waiting.

What are you waiting for? I have almost 6,000 comments on this thread, go through them and pick out all the google web links, sources and photos as much as you desire, I have posted a whole Library of Nigerian military equipment here and compared them in detail with those of South Africa.

Now don't be lazy mister, open the 6,000 comments and satisfy your curiosity, I won't spoon feed you, so use your own time, energy, and brain.

I am waiting....
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ActivateKruger:
Let's see Google dispute at least 90% of these (valid) claims:

- The SANDF ranks above the NAF
- The SAAF is better equipped, more experienced than the NA
- The SAN is better equipment, better trained and more experienced than the NN
- The South African Special Forces are better trained, better recognised than the Nigerian Special Forces
- South Africa has the most advanced homegrown weapons in Africa


Google me facts to counter my facts and paste links.... if not, I will haunt you with this list till the end of 2014.

The current military weapons and equipment of Nigeria CANNOT be fully known by internet search because of massive purchase of secret hardware for Boko Haram war.

However, a few points on what we know shows Nigeria is superior overall to South Africa, e.g.

150,000 man battle tested army

30 + 40 = 70 combat helicopters

World class ISTAR aircraft with very long range capability and state-of-the-art EW equipment

660 Artillery guns

500 Amphibious armoured vehicles

One of the world's biggest and most modern OPV and IPV force

Military use spy Satellites

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DieVluit:
Did you obey a court judgment or did you do it because you loved your brother?

You were unhappy. Russia did "the needful" in Crimea. You failed to cause you don't have what it takes.

If robbing other counties of their legally proved land is your own idea of national greatness, sorry Nigeria is not a robber, there are honest ways to be great.

Stealing is pride in South Africa, no wonder your SANDF was robbing Congolese diamond mines with joy and glee
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ActivateKruger:
That's because you can't counter 90% of the South African threads.

One minute google searches dispute 90% of South African comments, so easy
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DieVluit:
You cannot fight without a mandate in 2014 or 13. Impossible.

Seleka who?

M13 were the most feared and organised rebel group in africa before we took them on. We helped defeat them and made them look bad.

Boko haram was the most comical group in africa before you took them on. You've made them look good and ended up being the actual joke.

@postmann called you glory-thieves and you were calling for moderators intervention, but is it not glory stealing when you constantly and repeatedly claim the achievement of United Nations controlled military forces of about 20 countries from all over the world, as a personal military achievement for South Africa? Even Tanzanians who commanded and led SANDF have not come here to claim self glory from a global UN operation.

Moderator should start banning people for telling open lies and making open false claims, then 90% of South African posts will become hidden
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DieVluit:
Russia is in Crimea today.

Nigeria could be in Bakassi if it was man enough. But it isn't.

And nigeria can't help itself.

History is a stranger to you, or you don't read newspapers.

Nigerian army obeyed court judgemen withdrew from inside Bakassi after many decades of unchallengeable occupation of the land.

Nigeria was openly occuppying Bakassi, Russia could not openly occupy Crimea.

Not surprising that a South African has chronic problems with logical thinking

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DieVluit:
We did even better!

We were on standby IMMEDIATELY after the incident, waiting at the airport for the word.

After that, there was no mandate. We have no reason to go back. We saved plenty civilians in the DRC. Civilians are dying in Nigeria as we speak!

Nigeria had NO mandate to fight in Liberia and Sierra Leone, we saw fellow black nations in disaster of war, we went there for full scale war without mandate and spent $10 billion in 10 years which UN refused to refund, so for Dafur Sudan we fought UN and AU persistently to give us mandate and pay the bills then we went in to fight and die in Dafur.

South Africa did NOT ask UN or AU for mandate to return to C.A.R and fight war for justice and salvation of your fellow black people who were dying daily like chicken.

Once SANDF saw body bags of 15 dead soldeirs, your 50,000 man army refused to go back and face Seleka having learnt that real war is different from photomania hollywood military showmanship
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DieVluit:
Maybe. Maybe not.

But the comical Igirigi can never match that superior product in the picture.

Auguby, how much did it hurt when Cameroon took a piece of your land?

It was a court case and documents proved Cameroon owns the land so we are happy to give it back, we are not wicked people in Nigeria, we help other Africans, we don't rob them like South Africa does.....Congo minerals, C.A.R minerals is all South Africa hunts after like a wild animal in the bush
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patches689:
Why would we go back in to CAR?

What is the prupose.

You tell me that.

South African army should have gone back to C.A.R in 2013 to save the helpless innocent civilians there from the death and damage of war like Nigerian army did in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Dafur Sudan.

Simple
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patches689:
Why would we go back in to CAR?

What is the prupose.

You tell me that.

South African army should have gone back to C.A.R in 2013 to save the helpless innocent civilians there from the death and damage of war like Nigerian army did in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Dafur Sudan.

Simple.
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DieVluit:
Southern Africa is the business. Look at what Namibia is doing. In west africa, turmoil in Mali, Nigeria....

Namibia has one of the weakest and least experienced military forces in Africa. Cameroon will beat them
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patches689:
Lol "dormant" Bn's in Sudan - see pics

What are we doing? Defeating rebels in the Congo (somthing Nigeria has yet to do) and preparing africa's first rapid response formation

Show us proof of where South African jet fighters, tanks and artillery did any combat in this world in the last 15 years....I can show you where Nigerian military did all that few weeks ago.

The difference is crystal clear
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DieVluit:
Dude,

Answer the damn question!!!!!!

Not interested in your diatribe. Answer what you were asked so we can move on.

Some request.

Go back and look through my posts on Biafra or just shut upp, why should I waste my time repeating the same posts and photos for every Soweto fool that joins this forum, do you pay me salary for my time here?

Go back and find it or confess you cannot afford to pay for browsing megabytes, jobless ANC governemnt dependant

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