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ActivateKruger:
I think you and your buddy should do yours. Nigeria does NOT make planes they only assembly something South Africa assemblies for civilian use.

South Africa too does not make planes, you import the pieces and assemble them same way Nigeria does.

AHRLAC is a backyard toy that people build at home is USA.

The best you achieved is to weld metals for Rooivalk helicopter and put tyres on it, the Europeans own the avionics and they refused to sell more to DENEL leading to loss of a potential Rooivalk customer
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South African defence industry is controlled by imported spare parts from USA/Europe, only body metals are welded in South Africa and tyres put on them.

Where's ma LaBella gf ? Wanna rock ya, let's go backstage behind the scene. LV ya babie

mzilakazi:
You really do not understand and you are really missing a point. It is not like we claimed that SA is the first country to invent that plane. Fighter jets and aeroplanes have been existing for many years ever since the Wright brothers' invention and continue to be built by many countries to date. What is most important here is that something that looks like AHLAC was always built somewhere away from Africa for civil use and now for the first time is built in Africa as a warplane. Is that not great news even though is not a huge achievement?

Soweto AHRLAC is a foolish toy plane that civilian amateurs have been building in their private backyards at home in America for over 30 years.

Your defense industry 'super plane' is a piece of amateur joke stolen American design, if we didn't expose you SA guys you would have continued boasting.

Glory thief, bad luck with your South African fraud again
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Centrifude:
Its still ugly though...
And we've yet to see a demonstration of it taking a direct hit from a mine, or IED.

Weapons are built for war to destroy and be destroyed, not for beauty contest on Nairaland. Mumu.
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Henry120:
Lies, lies and more lies.

That thing is done to give you guys the rainbow bla bla bla feel.

You black boys are a bunch of illiterates and never do wells in school.

Wasted Soweto black generation ruined beyond repair by their Boer white masters
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Henry120:
100% nigerian designed, built,manufactured, and fielded.

Soweto mofos will buy an APC based on beauty instead of performance because they won't go to war, they need beauty for their Hollywood military photos, THIZA will not mind Honda Accord for military use as long as it looks fine for his photo album
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mzilakazi:
proudly South African

No, AHRLAC is stolen design and technology from overseas, from your usual white masters still ruling your economy today and forever...

SOUTH AFRICAN BUILT 'SUPER' DEFENSE INDUSTRY

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/AIR/Air_new/AHRLAC_400x300_Guy_Martin.jpg

AMERICAN CIVILIAN HOME-BUILT

https://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/attachments/soaring/9978-twin-boom-pusher-sailplanes-n455cbbarlowacapella100l.jpg


The combat aircraft you are boasting about is a copy of 30 years ago simple planes built by amateur private civilians in their house backyard in USA/Europe/Australia

They are called home-built planes....

http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/soaring/9100-twin-boom-pusher-sailplanes.html

http://lightsportaircraftpilot.com/sadler_vampire_ultralightaircraft/index.html

South African defence industry is a thief of other nations' glory and technology

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MikeCZAR:
1. Sandock Austral built the chasis of the Ratel, which then were sent to Pretoria to be fully kitted.

2. Rooikat 76 or 105mm guns are designed by Denel.

+ Unless you wanna tell people that the Rooikat uses a naval artillery gun, with range of around 14km.

3. The Rooivalk is South African designed, sub-contractors supply certain components. Similar to how America will supply engines for the Gripen E and while SA will supply EW kit among other sub-contractors.

+That's done to reduce costs of development.

4. The Rooikat chasis was developed in SA, a month back I posted pictures of the prototypes.


Where's Nigeria? They criticise but have nothing to show?

"Oh you're stronger than me, but I swear John is stronger than you", type of argument.

South Africa does NOT produce vehicle engines, ALL your IFV, APC, MRAP, etc are just welded steel put on American/European made imported engines.

Rooikat gun is Italian, they gave you 100% technology to make copies....

"The Rooikat is fitted with a fully-stabilized GT4 76-mm main gun, which was developed from Italian OTO Melara naval gun."

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/rooikat.htm

You CANNOT fool a Nigerian, keep on posting your fraud and lies
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Patchesagain:
NTW with the 20mm barrel will punch right through it and through the one next to it.

Nigerian defence industry does not compete with South Africa, you have nothing which even compares to what we make.

Rooivalk is an advanced peice of hardware - Igiri is a armoured car. There is a difference

100% black nation is irrelevant.

Same way 20mm Cannon will penetrate and wreck ALL South African made MRAPs even if you use spiritual magic protection on your MRAPs

First Roovalk helicopter prototype that flew, is an ugly Vulture.

100% black means Nigeria is the greatest black nation on earth and Soweto blacks are 100 years behind Nigerian blacks intellectually
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Patchesagain:
You still posting stats for the Starstreak that is in service with the British Army?

This is relevant how?

Perfectly relevant because that is the stupiid 1km max ceiling missile SANDF imported from Britain to make your weak army air defenseless against Togo Republic
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ActivateKruger:
Wishful thinking that all it is, you can't even make a rifle.

Nigeria makes more than rifles, we make heavy machine guns/light anti-aircraft guns and mortar artillery as well as jet fighter air to ground attack rocket pods, the pods that South Africa does NOT manufacture.

You are a big time mumu
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mzilakazi:
Proudly SA. We will come with something new soon.

If you repeat that lie here again I will embarrass South Africa in the next 6 hours, so you better shutt up
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mzilakazi:
Do you mean China doing it for you?


SA is many years ahead of Nigeria. When SA started making weapons Nigeria was nowhere to be found.

Nigeria got 100% technology transfer from China to build a super stealth warship. We are building 70% of the second one already, South Africa has not yet dreamed of entering the stealth ship building world like Nigeria

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GreenandGold:
That would be the Igirigi with a foreign chases and foreign armor.

South African Rooivalk if 90% French, Ratel engine and chasis is imported, Rooikak chasis and engine is European, Ratel gun is Italian, Rooikat gun is Italian, ALL South African MRAPS are built on imported American/European engines and chasis.

You want some more butt hurting truths?
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GreenandGold:
Stealth Warship? Wow you're now excelling in fabrications and hallucinations. Rockets? Robots?

lol... oh yah agububu

I have posted all those photos and sources here before. Denying proved facts is the reason I hardly ever comment on this thread again. I am looking for productive and intelligent debates, not time wasting rounds of falsehood.

If the thread is mot worth it anymore, I go off
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mzilakazi:
proudly South African

No, a 100% stolen foreign design and technology
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MikeCZAR:
In which area from missile capability, Stand off weapons capability, Ammunition, Mortar capability, EW capability to Sensors can Nigeria compete with SA?

Reminder: SA will be supplying EW kit for the Gripen E.

Nigeria has 100% capacity to build stealth warships of 2014 modern generation, South Africa CANNOT do it.

Nigeria built bomb detonation Robot, South Africa does not.

Nigeria produces ground attack rocket pods, South Africa does not.

I can agree South Africa is about 5 years ahead of Nigeria in defence industry, and that's only because Nigeria helped you to inherit the Boer whiteman's legacy, infratsructure and technology handed over to you after being fully built by your ex apartheid European race white masters who wasted all your black and coloured peoples destiny in the process, those your wasted illiterate, lazy, and jobless generations are the ones now being fed free food and houses by the new black ANC government as a permanent annual expense that swallows large portion of South African budget, knocking your country into a massive $40 billion foreign debt that your grandchildren will have to repay both principal amount and loan interest.

Nation of wasters and financial prisoners of Europe

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MikeCZAR:
What is ALHARC before we can go any further.

It is the aircraft South Africa copied from overseas and stole glory from the foreigners who designed it for you
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Frankenstein:
Russia fled from Osama's boys in Afghanistan. Almighty France and USA. fled from the NVA in the 60’s. Iraqi army fled from ISIS.

The Nigerian army never fled from boko haram. We've had our successes and our shortcomings on the war against boko haram. In a conventional warfare, the gallant men of our armed forces will crush the terrorists in just hours.

Mubi was a deliberate withdrawal by a handful Nigerian army officers who ordered their men to pull out even before Boko Haram arrived where they were in Mubi, they seem to have betrayed and handed over Mubi to Boko Haram without a fight.

We have had many misfortunes of fifth columnist Nigerian military officers selling weapons to Boko Haram secretly or leaving weapons and vehicles behind deliberately by withdrawing from base and allowing Boko Haram to possess the weapons.

It's hard for us with 50% of Nigerian military being Islamic faithfuls to now fight against Islamic Jihadists of Boko Haram, no nation in this world can find such a war easy.

Even Canada that is 99% Christian origin had their government Parliamentary building penetrated by an Islamic terrorist who almost got face to face with Canada's prime minister, the terrorist k.illed a soldier guarding the Canadian Parliament inside the building while all Senators and Legislators locked themselves behind closed door of the parliament. Canada's prime minister escaped with bodyguards through the back door.

Now Canada has ordered all soldiers to stop wearing military uniforms inside Canada because they can be killed by Islamic terrorists.

This war is the most difficult to fight anywhere in the world, Nigeria is strong to have survived alone, Iraq has USA, UK, France and Canada sending in massive force of jet fighters and special forces to stop ISIS from capturing the whole of Iraq.

Nigerian army has arrested the 5 traitor officers that gifted Mubi to Boko Haram....pure internal sabotage, if tried and found guilty those officers will be sentenced to death and shot, executed by firing squad

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ActivateKruger:
Not even close... what you perceive as military strength in Nigeria is what we call low-class military.

In case you haven't been up to date with military happenings, countries like Algeria and South Africa are far advanced (I didn't include Egypt for the obvious reasons).

Weapons we field are very advanced compared to what you're accustomed to, from land to air via the seas Nigeria cannot and will not compare.

That photo you are laughing at is the first prototype Igirigi I APC prototype, the final product is reasonably different.

The first Rooivalk helicopter gunship prototype is an ugly vulture.

Sniper rifle will be wasted by Igirigi, then watch the Igirigi turn a 12.7mm Browning HMG on your sniper location and the sniper will meet his ancestors that day.

Nigerian defense industry is more advanced than Algeria or Ethiopia, only Egypt and SA can compete with Naija defence industry on this continent of Africa.

No other 100% black nation in the world has done what Nigeria has done.

Igirigi II APC

https://chronos-studeos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/line-ray-camo-3a.jpg

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mzilakazi:

DENEL modified their starstreek missiles by enhancing their thrusting power and hence their operational range. Those technicians have been working with missiles for many years and I do not understand what is it that you find difficult to believe that they have modified their VSHORAD to operate under the conditions of SA.

Look here, go fool your village farmers with lies, DENEL modified the single launch/multiple launch mounting vehicle structure NOT the range or ceiling. The British sold you only hand held pieces, DENEL modified them to be carried on vehicles, thats all. Then the British winter thermostat that warms it up could be removed for tropical climate use, to avoid overheating because in winter missile systems can freeze, in South Africa you have a warm climate.

The max veiling remains 1km for eternity, and if SANDF landed in Ivory Coast war as you tried to do in 2011 from SAS Drakensberg, ECOWAS will not send Nigeria against you, we will send Togo Republic's Alpha Jets to fly at 2km ceiling and mass R.ape your weak and helpless Air-Defence-Less army

Show me proof of the enhanced range by DENEL, the Starstreak missile range has always been 5.5km to 6km since Britain sold it to you
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ThaVluit:
Dude, you did transpose a Nigerian source over the UK one.

So, unless you post the original link so we can read for ourselves, we deem you a fraud.

You can sulk as much as you want, but the fact remains, you tried to misrepresent things. Why did you have to marry the two sources and why did you hide the rest of the UK source under the Nigerian one?

I did not marry the two screenshots, I posted two different images, and because they are HP computer screenshots, they have no boundry line and appear like merged, you are a computer illiterate and an IT mumu.

Each photo screenshot mentions the news media that published it, Janes says Janes, Tribune says Tribune, or your fish brain has ever seen Nigerian adverts pop up on Janes pages? Can't your dull head figure out Nigerian local adverts on the second screenshot from Tribune newspapers? Soweto Retaard.

Call me a fraud 1,000 times and I don't care, I have developed thick skin, so I don't care.

I have those weblinks repeated over 20 times in the past one month, and I will NOT repeat them for you, keep on devaluing this thread, I am out, have fun !
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ThaVluit:
Experienced in what, Auguby? Running?

What's good here is that we can finally do away with beegeagle because you now understand the concept of "respectable magazines", with beegeagle being neither respectable nor anything close to a magazine.

If these fighter jets are hidden, how come you found them?

Anyway, anyone who writes "arriving the country" is not British. Anyone who writes that is as Nigerian as a big pile of yam.

Post the link and stop transposing sources over each other. That's fraud!

I have posted the link over 20 times in the past one month, so I won't repeat it.

I did not transpose anything, they are two separate screenshots and each one mentioned it's source, the first is Janes Defense, the second clearly says Nigerian Tribune.

You must be an internet illiterate and a literary nincompoop

I am not repeating any weblink, I don't care anymore what you South African's think, you made me half quit this thread with your time wasting and incompetent debating capabilities as well as lack of logic, dullards you all are in Soweto after 100 years of Boer imprisonment

Hidden things are hidden by those who know what they are hiding, yes some few people know, but the outside world outside their caucus does not know, a secret cult exists but is secret to the public, the cult members know themselves and their secret activities, so your thinking that any sceret thing is non-exixtent because everybody does not know it, makes you a typical brain-dry South African half-wit.

The people who unload NAF jets from delivery aircraft know a little, the NAF top brass and presidency knows everything, the general public knows nothing except leaked tiny snippets.

Nigerian army is driving around in world class 2013 MRAPS CS-VP3 and STREIT SPARTAN MK III APCs, yet nobody knows details about them, we see AGLs and other grenade launchers, nobody knows how many and no single official news of their purchase, if the smart people who photographed them never did so, does that mean they don't exist?

It's no longer attractive for me to be on this debate because you South Africans have killed the fun and intellectualism, so I will be off again.

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andrewza:
I see aguuby trying to pedel more lies of NAF new fighters.

You can call the globally respected Janes Defense Magazine the liar, not me

Fear of NAF will make you pooh pooh in your sitting room

Nigeria has the most experienced ground attack pilots in Africa today.

There are 12 units of world class new 4th generation jet fighters hidden in NAF base at Makurdi, secret of NAF, no details.
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ThaVluit:
Starstreak now part of Army inventory


SA Army Chief, Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo, yesterday officially took the Starstreak ground-based air defence missile system into the landward forces inventory.

The handover took place at 10 Anti-Aircraft Regiment headquarters at Diskobolos, Kimberley as is part of the Army’s drive to rejuvenate its hardware, alluded to by Masondo last month when he met the media.

The system, according to an Army statement, comes in two configurations: a multiple launcher unit and a shoulder-launched unit. This is a very short range air defence (VSHORAD) system that will be utilised by the Air Defence Artillery Formation as a fire unit to defend critical installations....


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The system came to South Africa early in 2004. I[b]t then underwent extensive modification and enhancement at Denel Land Systems to adapt it to African conditions and the specification requirements of the Air Defence Artillery Formation to the point where it is now ready to be taken into service with a six kilometre range.

The testing phase saw both the multiple launcher and shoulder-launched unit trialled at AFB Zwartkop and Denel’s Overberg Test Range as well as the Air Defence Artillery range at Riemvasmaak in Northern Cape.

Foolish SANDF, you imported British missiles that need tropicalization to work well

Remove the thermostats on them before they overheat and blow up your own army

The foolish missile still has maximum ceiling of only 1km, worst in Africa

Nigeria has Roland missiles with 5.5km max ceiling, we are 5 times better in air defence that South Africa

Togo Republic will R.ape SANDF with Alpha jets flying at 5km ceiling

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Sbura:
There's nothing new about these news, just look at the date on that News article(image) he posted. It is hypothetically impossible to deduce which military is most secretive. About NAF manufacturing their own jets, LOL, I'd like to see that happen with Nigeria's financial situation.

Nigeria has been invited by Pakistan to be Joint-Venture Develpment partner for the JF-17 Thunder in 2012, the jets block II version which NAF is interested in, just came out of factory production line few months ago. My story is very logical, your own thinking is incoherent and deranged.

NAF is interested in copying our navy that now builds modern stealth warships in Nigeria. The Pakis want some hundreds of millions of dollars for technology transfer on JF-17 Thunder to Nigeria.

Nigeria just pumped $2 Billion into new weapons in the last 4 months and more to come, Nigeria has no financial problem, our foreign debt is about $6 Billion while South Africa's foreign debt is about $40 Billion, you Soweto mugus are the ones broke and living beyond your means, surviving and shining gleefully on borrowed $40 billion dollars from your European white masters in EU, I see a rope of debt tied to Pretoria's thin neck and gets tighter by the day.


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EVarn:
with this,boko haram is a pile of sushi!!,this is what i call sushi machine!,but,JF-17 Thunder?,for real?

Details not yet revealed to public, that's why I said it's a secret NAF deal. However, insider observations from inside Pakistan say a deal was signed for something that includes aircraft industrial manufacturing technology, my guess is NAF will buy this jet and manufacture it locally in Nigeria in future, also NAF was shown a Pakistani mini COIN light aircraft.

Nigerian military remains the most secretive in the world, but by next NAF air expo show, secrets will pop out into public domain for sure as the NAF chief of staff in the photo has openly declared in April that NAF has acquired new fighter aircraft and promised to showcase them to the public at a later date, story was published by Punch newspapers and Janes Defense Magazine
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NAF + PAF

Nigerdeltaboi:
if i am right ,is that Bofors artillery gun

Yes, Nigerian army Swedish made Bofors FH-77A 155mm artillery. We have 23 units of A version and 48 units of FH-77B version.

The Bofors FH-77 A version in Swedish army...

http://www.savevid.com/video/swedish-artillery-firing-field-howitzer-77a-boden-2005-2.html

In 2005, BAE company merged with Bofors company to form BAE Systems Bofors.

Probably the best howitzer towed artillery 155mm gun in the world, judging by all round specs, performance and battle history in Kargil Ido-Paki war of the 1999, not just max range alone, there are other contenders for range
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Patchesagain:
You have fallen into my trap!! Just like I asked you to!!


He said that the Range of 42km has been acheived at HIGH ALTITUDE!! not with Base-Bleed!!

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He differentiates a max range of 31km and a max range of 42km at High altitude because high altitude is not where guns operate - unless there is a mountain somehwere in Nigeria you plan on firing your gun off.

You only trap yourself not me. This same topic was discussed few months back and I am tired of repitition.

Indian officer said 31km range with ordinary HE, so what is the Base Bleed range? Always longer anywhere anytime.

At altitude means target is on a mountain you can see from 42km away so you can target it.

Do you think the artillery gun itself climbs to mountain top? Show me where an army today has towed a Howitzer up to mountain top altitude using the wings of an angel.

Like I said, I am out, tired of repeating old arguments and tired of your repitition of same old lies, like you always say Nigeria has no Bofors FH-77B guns, you will soon dispute it again next month despite SIPRI proof that we have it...

Bye, have fun with yourself
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Patchesagain:
Augustus I just watched the Video and the man clearly says at exactly 2:23-2:25 that it has a maximum range of 31km - so you have been shamelessly telling lies again!!! All members of this forum, veiw the video and listen very closely at 2:23-2:25 All known sources say that it has a maximum range of around 30km!! Yet again I have exposed you as a shameless liar and manipulator[/size]

Now come, talk to me about "high altitude" ranges and I will expose you again!!

Same way British army source on Starstreak missile says SANDF has the 1km max ceiling foolish missile, worst in Africa.

Where on the british army website does it talk about SANDF starstreaks?

Where does it say anything about the SANDF?

No military source ever said SANDF ordered AHEAD ammo for CRAM, so you don't have it.

You mean, apart from this one:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6656:fact-file-denel-35mm-dual-purpose-gun&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159


And finally, the SANDF is listing ranges achieved with standard ammunition - VLAP is excluded. FH-77B with base-bleed rounds cannot match our standard range with base-bleed .The ranges we achieve with VLAP are amongst the furthest in the world. This is confirmed by every single source on the topic.

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Only a fool will believe your stories here, you first d.estroyed all your comments by deliberately denying the fact that Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B despite all proofs posted here many times in the past months, that kills all your other arguments and proves that you are a serial liar and not worthy of debating with, before I leave this forum again for you to continue polluting, I will say these...

In that video, at exactly 2:23 minutes the Indian army officer says it has range 31km with HE shell and at exactly 2:26 minutes it says range is 42km with BB shell, you deliberately cut off the 2:26 minute information to preach your lies and fraud here as usual.

SANDF official army website says your G-5 and G-6 artillery guns have BB shell range of 39km maximum, I have posted that here many times, and official army websites that operates all these weapons are superior to any civilian journalist news or website, so I go with SANDF official army source. SANDF has NO SINGLE V-LAP shell, all they have is BB. Same way SAAF has no Mokopa missile despite the fact that South Africa manufactures it, you do not use it, and do not have it.

For the Starstreak I, the British army has proved its max ceiling is 1km. There is NO special SANDF Starstreak I made for only you, NO source says they made a special missile for you, or else I would say Nigerian Roland SAM is special and has missile range of 40km.

See, I have no time for a fraudulent debate with you denying clearly visible information and falsifying facts, I am leaving the forum for you to waste your time not mine.

I am out until sanity returns, the moderators don't even know what to ban, lies and fraud kills this thread more than topic derailment.
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