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andrewza: when was the last time a NAF aircraft was shot at. The rooivalk and oryxy where shot at in the DRC.

i hate repeating posts dude, NAF Alpha jets and Mi-24 Hind helicopters were shot at and damaged by Boko Haram anti-aircraft guns in battle this very year 2013.

"No fewer than 50 Boko Haram militants and three soldiers died in separate battles . The militants fired anti-aircraft guns at JTF jets and helicopters and attacked ground troops with missiles and guns.

The militants hit a JTF helicopter with anti-aircraft weapons during the operation.

However, the pilot was able to navigate the damaged aircraft to safety with no casualty on the part of the crew members."

http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-militants-may-be-tried-for-war-crimes-un/


now show me source weblink to prove south african Gripen jets, Hawk jets were shot at by enemy anti-aircraft guns.

if your air force is so inexperienced that their jet fighters have never fought any battle, let me pity you a little, now show us weblink source of where your Oryx and Rooivalk helicopters were shot at by enemy air defences in the last 20 years till today

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Fighter Pilot: The records speaks for themselves.

South Africa is undoubtedly the Africa's military power. Egypt only has an experience of defeat in almost every war they fought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Egypt

Nigeria has a poor combat history and had never experienced any outing on both world war 1 and 2.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Nigeria

your fellow south africans here like @Mike.ZA finally admitted when we proved it to them that Egypt almost defeated Israel in 1973 war and they both settled in a ceasefire after America rushed new weapons into Israel. google is your friend.

Nigerian army celebrated its 150 years of existence this very year.

the internet is full of photos and comments of tens of thousands of niegrian army soldiers who defeated Germany and Japan's powerful armies in world war I and II.

only a fool will waste his precious time repeating all those old posts on this forum just to satisfy your growing insanity

.....and your weblink source says nigeria has victory in ALL the wars she fought and ended....so what's your point ?

Fighter Pilot: The records speaks for themselves.

South Africa is undoubtedly the Africa's military power. Egypt only has an experience of defeat in almost every war they fought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Egypt

Nigeria has a poor combat history and had never experienced any outing on both world war 1 and 2.


photo of south african airforce jet pilots drinking their life and youthful days away...booze and boooozeee !!!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Nigeria

[size=16pt]current south african airforce drunkard pilots have zero combat experience[/size]



nigerian Alpha jet and F-7 jet pilots have been engaged in air to ground combat for the past 20 years till today, even against enemy forces that fired anti-aircraft guns on them.

south african air force pilots spend all their time drinking alcohol and posing for @THIZA to photograph them.

they get salaries paid to them every month, yet cannot fight war !

show us any war where your soweto Hawk and Gripen jets have fired any weapon against even one cockroach

photo of south african air force jet fighter pilots drinking their time and youthful life away...booze and boooozeee !!!
https://img824.imageshack.us/img824/374/5683c9191edf4b9cb4bbff0.jpg

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zaandrew: There is a producstion order placed. Does this drone have a producstion order?

nigerian airforce produces the drone, not a private company or a federal government company like DICON.

the air force produces the drones for itself with its own funds. same way nigerian navy did for NNS Andoni ship, we did not order it from any company, our navy built it and uses it now.

nigerian policy and regulations are different from those of south africa. what limits you does not limit us.

Henry120: My friend sharap your mouth. No one here is seeking your validation. The undeniable facts for nigeria is, we are constantly and rapidly developing our defence industry.

The drone is able to spend 7 hours in flight, and it functions perfectly in night-time flights.

Capabilities of nigerian Gulma drone and South African Hungwe drone are about exactly the same.

there is also one of the two designs of Hungwe (it has two different designs available on internet) and the Gulma drone looks almost the same too.

then the Gulma and Hungwe drone are both to become operational in first quarter 2014.

i dont know why, is there some competition going on between nigeria and south africa ? a drone rivalry ?

first photo is Gulma drone

second photo is Hungwe drone

who is copying who ?

https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2013/PIC%204%20NAF_0.jpg?1387306045
https://www.janes.com/images/assets/832/22832/p1513427.jpg

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next generation....nigerian army

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zaandrew: Yes you building mock ups and proto typs. Congrats once it is operastional I will be impressed. Has of now it still a dream.

as of now the south african Badger IFV is a dream, i will be impressed when it is operational in year 2015

http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsdenel-first-sandfs-badger-2015

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zaandrew: Who so secruit civlians with no secuirty clearance know about it.

While here is some hard facts, your budget is not secreiet. Your RnD budget is a joke. Yes you building mock ups and proto typs. Congrats once it is operastional I will be impressed. Has of now it still a dream.

what will you say ? we shocked you right ? nigerian Gulma new drone/UAV is a shock for you because all you knew was the older Amebo drones versions I, II, and III.

nigeria has over $60 billion cash dollar reserves and only about $7 billion debt, we are 5 times more cash liquid than your over-rated south africa.

all your 3 submarines were bought on credit for south african navy, interest on the debt is mounting everyday, and you have no money to pay those debts , yet you boast of bigger defence budget while your military runs your country aground with massive debt on arms purchases and the bribery scandals involved.

nigeria does not buy weapons on credit, we have more dollars than we need.

we got so much dollars from Brazil through oil sales, about $10 billion, so much that we want to splash some of that on new Super Tucano warplanes from Brazil.

south african Hungwe drone too is not yet in service until april 2014

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31287:seeker-400-to-fly-in-october--denel&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107


if you die tomorrow, i know the surprise appearance of new nigerian Gulma UAV/drone gave you heart attack because of your senseless envy

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kwame tut:
EAST COAST BABY!!!!!

just curious, does your conscience tell you that what you are doing is good ? on a military thread you post tons of tourism photos.

the true greatness of south africa will not be measured by the nice buildings and beach girls in bikini you post here....but by how well human brains function in the heads of those of you who live there.

the quality of a nation's people, their minds, hearts, conscience and civil behaviour....is the real greatness that does not fade away with time, but do you think you have it ?



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souldust: i agree. The Amebo name carries more weight + its can be easily related to by almost anyone in Naija. BTW, the Gulma means what? How i wish, the Amebo would continue. It can become a brand for our drones which will only become more sophisticated with time. The name "Amebo" carries this thing the name "Gulma" doesnt carry. We can go on and have Amebo I, II, III, Amebo Ajagun, Amebo eye (bird), etc. Lol

amebo and gulma both mean gossip

maybe ihejirika caused it by naming the APC igirigi....language from his side of the river.
so badeh come retaliate. abeg wetin andoni mean ?...NNS Andoni

Donian007: I dey kamkpe, just went backstage 4 small work. E b like say all doz ignorant thread spammers don retire. Gud 2 knw ure kpn naija flag flying.

spammers still dey o ! but sha dem dey do hit and run like boko boys, no be full time like before .

Henry120: It is definitely a lot bigger than the amebo 3. It is in my opinion, a smaller sized areostar drone.

not happy name changed from amebo.

because oga NAF be arewa no mean say make dem drop amebo because na Yoruba/ndigbo people language and change to gulma.

every naija person na the same colour naa !

wetin dey cos dis division according to river niger ?

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Nigerian Air Force Female Drone UAV Pilot get her wings
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Donian007: HALLELUIAH! GOOD PEOPLE GREAT NATION! M back comrades!

long time bros, how you dey ?

chris365: after different prototypes and testings, it seems the AMEBO name has been dropped. and the new name still has the same meaning.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/12/jonathan-unveils-nigerias-first-indigenous-unmanned-aerial-vehicle/
https://dvsl3w2q45hb8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/aerial-vehicle.jpg

there are plans to build more.

kudos to the airforce

nice job there bros.

...south africans believe everything nigeria is building for our military is just the ones they hear publicly.

secretive nigerian military.

Epe rocket/missile project will spring a surprise next year.

as i always said, a country that guides a drone in the air has capacity to guide a missile too. same basic scientific principles.


GULMA DRONE/UAV DATA :


Weight 40 kg

Flight altitude of 10,000 feet

Cruise range of 923 kilometer at a speed of 86.4 km/hr

Engine-3W 157 xi (17HP)

Structure is fully composite

Avionics of Micro Pilot FCS.

Role is tactical cum strategic UAV single payload

Operational deployment is first quarter 2014.



Badeh said with the establishment of NAF Optimising Local Engineering (OLE) team in 2012 after the dissolution of the Presidential committee on maritime safety and security, to among other things “spearhead the development of indigenous aircraft” with specific instructions to produce an operational UAV. The intention was to match “the growing versatility of UAV as a prime tool for enhancing success in virtually all military and security operations”.

Badeh said the OLE team has trained 15 Nigerian UAV pilots saving Nigeria huge cost as quoted by the foreign vendors, to which he stated that Nigeria can make huge savings “if we look inwards and rely on our capacities and capabilities as a nation”.

He called on the Federal Government to transform NAF OLE from a mere innovative research outfit into a viable aircraft production centre, as well as increase funding to develop human capacity and infrastructure to sustain the tempo and facilitate the possibility of mass-producing the drones.

http://www.theguardianmobile.com/readNewsItem1.php?nid=20568


https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2013/NAF%201_0.jpg?1387306044

Fynline: http://ntanews24.tv/News/Africa/2013/DECEMBER/DECEMBER16/Award%20Winning%20Cadet.html

Nigeria Military always excelling

[size=16pt]best British Military academy graduate is a Nigerian soldier [/size]

na so nigerians dey beat all other people dem o !


http://ntanews24.tv/News/Africa/2013/DECEMBER/DECEMBER16/Award%20Winning%20Cadet.html

[img]http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/thumbnail.php?file=image2/Noel_Moses_receiving_his_award_at_Sandhurst_556892552.jpg&size=article_large[/img]

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[size=16pt]NAF ATR-42 Surveyor becomes more powerful with new upgrade...best in Africa [/size]



Picture shows NAF 931 (an ATR 42-500 MPA Surveyor plane) which has become a more advanced Special Mission Aircraft as can be gleaned from the photographs before and after the aircraft underwent an ELINT upgrade.

Note the dome on the fuselage just behind the wings in the bottom (upgrade) pic.

The now ELINT-compliant Surveyor plane can thus undertake the gathering of military or other intelligence through the monitoring of electronic signals such as satellite transmissions, rocket telemetry and radar emissions while itself being difficult to detect.

https://beegeagle./2013/12/03/nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-naf-931-now-a-more-advanced-special-mission-aircraft-undergoes-elint-upgrade-world-exclusive-photo/


[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/12/screen-shot-2013-11-03-at-12-34-23-am.png?w=640&h=385[/img]


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zaandrew: Very important since the sub does not need to leave, it can just snorkal and recharge at night.

The turm fully sumberged is critcal, since it can snorkol to recharge the battry.

So you admit you a civlian now with no ties to the defense industry. Can you proof I am liying. No one doubts how casulties not seleka, france, red cross, un, chad no one only a simply civlian with no experiance. You want to know why so many died. I can shoot you in te arm with no medcal care infecstion will kill you. We have all ready explian the diffrence between rout, retreat and withdrawl we withdrew.

And I still do.


When did I say that.

Never said we had a satligh I said we had access to uptodate satlit pictuers and posted saide pictuers has proofe and a artical where they where used in a miltary role.

there are thousands of civilians working in defense industry all over the world including DENEL, that job does not change the fact that we are civilians.

....but there are soldiers like you who work in the military and get disgraced by civilians on a public forum.

your G6 artillery has a fake 100km range you claim, and RPG cannot break a wall as you say....fool

you say a sailor will surface a submarine, open hatch door and carry hand held anti-aircraft missile to shoot down an armed enemy aircraft.

you say a submarine will snorkel at night when its infra red emission is 5 times more easy for the enemy to detect.

....and you have to show us source to prove 1,000 seleka rebels died due to battle with SANDF.

you should be ashamed you are arguing with a civilian who posts dozens of sources on military warfare and you the soldier has no single source to post and prove your fake claims.

navy cook/chef, you do better with tomatoes/onions/eggs frying than with how weapons fight in real live combat

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zaandrew: There is no need for me to respond to you, you exposed your self has a fake with zero knowledge on the subject matter. You should quite while you still have some respect among your comrades.

hahaha

you want me to quit this forum so that you can keep on deceiving people with photos of over-rated weapons and exaggerated data...

no sir, my time to go has not yet come. expect more nightmares.

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[size=16pt]this is page 900, and we have proved south african military to be over-rated [/size]




[size=16pt]Top Ten Military Powers Of Africa Ranked In Order Of Overall Strength[/size]


(1) EGYPT

(2) NIGERIA

(3) ALGERIA

(4) ETHIOPIA

(5) SUDAN / SOUTH AFRICA / MOROCCO / UGANDA

(6) ERITREA / ANGOLA


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zaandrew: Again subs have come along way since ww2

Seaskiming is nothing new and does not make it stealthy. All modern SSM are seaskimming. It may not have its radar on but the launch veaseal has it's on and transmets data to the missiel.


We have given you this info how many times. Any case the umkhont can not only target seaskiming missiels but small surface contacts.

The umkhonto was built to provid total air defense vs aircraft and missiels. That includes seaskiming missiels.


Because shefield did not have power full radar. In fact her radar where rather bad. A valour frigat ECM sytem would have dedicted the radar locks from the super entards long before they fired.

The umkhonto was built to provid total air defense vs aircraft and missiels. That includes seaskiming missiels.

That your problem. You don't under stand how a sub hunts. It is a ambusher. It waits for the target to come to it. Speed is not vital for it. And after it fiers it hides not runaway.

Statics do not back you up since many a sub has evaded a enemy.

Hence it snorks at night.

Subs can have radar. Our subs have both radar, optical search sytem and EW sytems that can be used to search for subs.

Not all subs. And any sub can carry SAMs just have MANPAD.

I used to wonder if you really did work in defence industry. I now know you do not.

Fact is NN has never trained in ASW.

@zaandrew black fonts
@agaugust red fonts


Again subs have come along way since ww2

Again warships and anti-submarine aircraft have come a long way since world war 2


Seaskiming is nothing new and does not make it stealthy. All modern SSM are seaskimming. It may not have its radar on but the launch veaseal has it's on and transmets data to the missiel.

a weapon is stealthy if it zooms in on you hard to detect. anti-ship missile at 6 feet above water surface is hard to detect, reason why Argentina, Egypt and Iraq all scored direct h.its with anti-ship missiles


We have given you this info how many times. Any case the umkhont can not only target seaskiming missiels but small surface contacts.


only you south africans like to be fooled by DENEL, the rest of the world is not fooled.

DENEL never tested Umkhonto missile against your Exocet anti-ship missiles when your navy test fired about 5 Exocets.

they wont try that because DENEL knows it will fail.

DENEL tells lies and over-rates its weapons for marketing purposes by testing its products against very weak opponents.

Umkhonto was tested against an ordinary seaskua uav/drone that cannot fly less than 30 feet above sea level, why not test Umkhonto against Exocet sea skimming anti-ship missile that flies far less at 6 feet above water level ? also the test target drone has no electronic self-defences like anti-ship missiles have.

same way DENEL used Rooivalk helicoter gunship to fight a defenceless M23 rebel group in Congo DRC after Ukrainian air force Mi-35 Hind helicopters and Tanzanian D-30 artillery have ruined M23 power and made the rebels half dead, then DENEL claim victory for its Rooivalk and told the world that its helicopter performed very well in battle and has proved its worth !

why did DENEL make such fraudulent claim ? a battle tested helicopter gunship is the one that has fought war and survived against an enemy that has radar, anti-aircraft guns, and anti-aircraft missiles.

DENEL marketing tactics and false claims have NOT convinced and deceived 99% of the world's military forces to buy your Umkhonto missile, and Rooivalk helicopter has NO single customer in the world apart from south africa after 25 years of service.

keep lying to yourselves in south africa, the whole world's military standard is that anti-aircraft missiles are NOT a defence against anti-ship missiles that hug the sea surface, the ONLY FIVE world recognized defenses against anti-ship missiles are below, but anti-aircraft missile are NOT among them :

Countermeasures against anti-ship missiles :


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Anti-Missile missiles such as the Russian Navy's 9K33 Osa, Sea Sparrow, the Rolling Airframe Missile, the Standard, or the Royal Navy's Sea Wolf or Sea Dart and the newer Sea Viper.

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Close-in weapon systems (CIWS), including the Soviet-or Russian-made AK-630 or Kashtan/ or the Phalanx and Goalkeeper. These are automated gun systems mounted on the deck of a ship that use radar to track the approaching missile, and then attempt to shoot it down during its final approach to the target.

3.Anti-aircraft guns such as the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun or the AK-130

4.Electronic warfare equipment (such as SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite)

5.Decoy systems



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

anti-aircraft missiles are not a defense against anti-ship missiles, facts proved, CASED CLOSED.




Because shefield did not have power full radar. In fact her radar where rather bad. A valour frigat ECM sytem would have dedicted the radar locks from the super entards long before they fired.


British warship HMS Sheffield has bad radar ? who built it bad ? you ? fool

British radars are the best in the world, the British invented radar and no country has beaten them in radar till today.

why did south africa buy British radar to put on your German valour frigates ?

every time in war history when warships faced anti-ship missiles, the ships were struck and/or sank totally. from arab-israeli war where Egypt sank Israel's navy warship, to falklands war, British navy had 3 ships struck/sank by Argentina's anti-ship missiles, and in persian gulf war Iraq's anti-ship missile struck mighty American navy's frigate...

"The frigate USS STARK did not detect the missiles with radar, warning was given by the look-out only moments before the missiles struck. The first penetrated the port-side hull and failed to detonate, but left flaming rocket fuel in its path. The second entered at almost the same point, and, leaving a 3-by-4-meter gash, exploded in crew quarters. 37 sailors were killed and 21 were injured."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_(FFG-31)

war history proves that warships are not able to stop anti-ship missiles like nigerian Otomat missile, the day NNS ARADU fires on your Valour frigates is the same day your south african navy warships join their ancestors....

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Surface warships and transport vessels are highly vulnerable - and susceptible - to air and missile attacks. This ugly reality has been demonstrated repeatedly since the early 1940s till today year 2013, but the message seems to be forgotten with remarkable regularity."

http://www.ausairpower.net/Warship-Hits.html



You don't under stand how a sub hunts. It is a ambusher. It waits for the target to come to it. Speed is not vital for it. And after it fiers it hides not runaway.

Statics do not back you up since many a sub has evaded a enemy.




thats were you got it very wrong. in war, the ambusher is unseen until it attacks, when it fires, the enemy knows it is there and they too fire back in counter-attack and that is what finally k.ills submarines, so 750 submarines paid that heavy price in worlds war II as they were sunk because they attacked warships and the ambusher is now seen where he is....he too will die.

war history shows that for one warship sank by submarines in world war II, the warships/aircrafts sink five submarines.

http://uboat.net/fates/losses/

falklands war history gave us a one-one draw between warships/ship borne helicopters.

submarine sank Belgrano warship and ship borne helicopters sank Santa Fe submarine


Hence it snorks at night.

fool, the worst time for a submarine to snorkel is at night !!!!!

helicopters and aircraft infra-red detectors and imagers will clearly pick up its diesel engine exhaust pipe smoking out heat and thermal emmisions ! you fool

you just gave the enemy warships another extra method of finding and k.illing your submarine by FLIR search and detect equipment on aircraft.

snorkeling at night does NOT stop enemy radar from finding the submarine because radar works well both day and night, or you ever hear of daytime only radar ?

the night your submarine snorkels is the night its exhaust pipe smoke and heat will make it a free supper for its enemy to eat .



Subs can have radar. Our subs have both radar, optical search sytem and EW sytems that can be used to search for subs.

Not all subs. And any sub can carry SAMs just have MANPAD.

I used to wonder if you really did work in defence industry. I now know you do not.

your submarine has only a sea search radar but NO air search radar.

best hope is the submarine radar warning sensor that tells it is being radar watched by the enemy, then it is forced to dive submerge, but it has been detected already, the enemy will call in a search and destroy anti-submarine helicopter to find it starting from that GPS location, and how long will the submarine continue under water in that situation ? it surfaced to snorkel because it was desperately low on electric fuel to keep hidding under water, so how does it continue to hide when power is running out for its engines and the enemy helicopter is hunting for it in that perimeter area and beyond ?

you dont know how much hell it is for a submarine to keep hiding for 3 days against a powerful country like nigeria that has ART-42 Surveyors (with its new year 2013 NATO standard ELINT upgrade to detect all enemy electronic warfare emmisions while the Surveyor itself remains undetected ) and Lynx anti-submarine helicopters, plus about 20 sea search Augusta helicopters.....its not Namibian navy we talking about here dude, its Nigeria the giant of africa !


Not all subs. And any sub can carry SAMs just have MANPAD.

south african submarines have NO anti-aircraft missile SAM or MANPAD.....hey dude, you want to fully surface your submarine and a sailor comes out to open the tower/hatch door and fire hand held tiny anti-aircraft missile against enemy aircraft ? that sailor's obituary will be in the newspapers the next day and that submarine will regret the day it was built in the shipyard



I used to wonder if you really did work in defence industry. I now know you do not.

i dont care what you think about me, i have proved my points with data, history, sources, scientific calculations and facts


Fact is NN has never trained in ASW.

i wont repeat that post and source the 7th time here in 7 months, nigerian navy does regular submarine training inside Pakistani navy submarines....source Beegeagle


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now you see why i said you posted rubbish yesterday ?

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zaandrew: Yes thunder had to refuel in south africa and restok stock.

i hate repeating old posts, NNS Thunder is USCGC Chase ship, and it has travel range of 21,000 km without refuelling.

south africa is only 5,000 km away from lagos. NN Thunder will sail from lagos to cape town twice and return back home twice without stopping to refuel anywhere. you are just dumb and dull


Speed: 29 knots (54 km/h)
Range: 14,000 miles (22,000 km)
Endurance: 45 days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Chase_(WHEC-718)

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Mike..ZA:
We are comparing current military capability,to determine who's the best on the continent. Not what a country's future capabilities will be.

Let me get this Nigeria transport 3000 troops+tanks,ammunition,food,howitzers and other heavy equipment on which ships?..........Nigerian armour like your cobra and VBL MBTs would be destroyed by the ZTA3 ratel. The cobra can easily be destroyed by the Rooikat high velocity modified navy gun. Even so 3000 troops will never win any battle against 39 000 well equipped soldiers.

yes current ability nigeria and south africa almost match each other in weapons because each one has its own area of advantage over the other.

go check that from page 1 to 900 of this thread and dont waste our time with noise making. it is a balance of power.

nigeria is far better in current battlefield experience in the past 25 years. south africa has NOT fought ANY big battle at all in past 25 years.

nigerian invasion of south africa with various missiles Otomat, Aspide, Swingfire, SAM-7 Igla, Roland SAM, Blowpipe SAM, Torpedoes,
Bofors F-77B, Cobra APC, Type 90 AAA, and 3,000 experienced soldiers, will give you nightmare for many months, though we will not win, your best south african soldiers and equipment will die and be destroyed.

Boko Haram does not have any of those weapons above, and yet nigeria is winning but sweating hard in battle.

if we bring all those weapons into south africa, your president zuma will s...h...i...t inside his p...a...n...t every day for 6 months

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Mike..ZA:
Your Roland has a operational ceiling of 5km the Gripen can flying 11km above it using the DJRP to spot and destroy it with free fall bombs

Roland ceiling is 5.5km, NOT 5km


your high speed Gripen jet cannot find a camouflagued Roland from height of 10km ceiling/altitude, there are too many houses, bushes, cars, trucks, bulldozers, armoured vehicles, tanks, etc scattered all over the ground in war.

only ground attack aircraft flying low will ever find enemy anti-aircraft defences usually camouflagued like this photo...

[img]http://www.focusblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/leobusk.jpg[/img]

no high flying aircraft will ever see such a hidden Roland from 10km high altitude that is 32,000 feet above ground level up in the sky dude !

Gripen jet must come down low to find a Roland, low like 4.5km or 15,000 feet which the Roland builders Germany/France already know before they build the Roland with 5.5km ceiling.

you dont even know how high 15,000 feet in the air really is, you cannot tell the difference between truck and a van from that great height.

notice my simulation of NAF attack on SAN valour frigates, i refused to use freefall bombs even on a big and clearly visible warship on a wide open ocean, it wont work, the chance of a successful hit is less than 1%.

Gripen jet of south africa has no missile to hit a Roland, your free fall bombs from 32,000 feet in the sky will surely miss target because it never saw the target in the first place, unless your pilots use witchcraft spiritual power .

also Rolands dont operate alone, they work in artillery regiment battery of air defences including AAA guns like nigerian Type 90, then that will shoot down all your free fall bombs.

if a Roland fires one missile from point A at 10:00am, by 10:30m the same Roland has driven like a car off to point B so the enemy comes back and Mister Roland is gone away !

anyway, your pilots never know where nigeria put its Roland because it is in our territory, we wont tell you its location in war.


you forget that if your Gripen jet flies, nigerian radar will detect it from over 200km away and we will scramble our F-7 jets to intercept the Gripen jets, afterall both jets have only within visual range missile and will not start air to air dogfight until they are in visual range close to each other

your mistake in war is that you believe only you will be doing things while your enemy will have his hands tied to his back for you to win.

Mike..ZA:
The Roland is "believed" to have shot down,meaning it is not proven we discus facts not rumours. The Tornado in Iraq was flying low one was broad down by AA guns.

some sources say Roland is believed to have shot down the Tornadoes, no source says they are wrong.
some sources say it was anti-aircraft guns, no source says they are wrong.

the British pilots believed only a missile could have downed a mighty Tornado jet and must be the best of world missiles, Roland was the best anti-aircraft missile Iraq has in gulf war.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/RAFTornadoAircraftLosses.cfm

Roland is confirmed to have shot down Harrier jet and A10 Thuderbolt jet, those are very capable ground attack aircraft that really can hunt and find a Roland, but as usual it wil be at the risk of the pilots life because every jet fighter that challenges Roland in war history has been shot down.

finally, show us that war and aircraft that south african Umkhonto anti-aircraft missile has ever shot down in all its history

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Mike..ZA:
Robbers aren't a military threat whatsoever. Robbers or the rate robberies doesn't speak or represent any country's military capabilities. Boko haram is a military threat hampering your armed forces' effort to accomplish its constitutional mandate of protecting Nigerians,who are slaughtered in the northern part of your country.

same way south african police cannot stop robbers from robbing your people every day despite the contitutional mandate given to your police, same way nigerian army cannot stop a few hundred boko haram fighters from waking up at night and killing innocent people.

however nigerian army makes sure the boko haram men too get killed and are forced to retreat and run across the border out of nigeria or else they all get killed by nigerian military.

nigerian military has fulfilled its constitutional role of stopping boko haram from doin the same thing other islamists did to Mali, they took over half of Mali from north to middle, heading south to capital city Bamako, defeated the national army of Mali and Malian air force that has 14 units of MiG 21 jet fighters, 6 units of L-29 light attacl jets, 3 units Mi-24 Helicopter gunships in a few months.

only France, Nigeria, and Chad saved Mali from been overrun and taken over 100% by the same west african islamic terrorists.

Nigerian military not only saved nigeria, we travelled 1,000 km away to go and save Mali.

if you think nigerian military has failed with all that, then i think your own brain has totally failed from working normally

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Mike..ZA:
LETS COMPARE MILITARY CAPABILITIES (from air forces,army and navy) TO DETERMANE WHO'S THE BEST.

that comparison has been done already dude ! pages 1 to 900 of this thread has proved who is who.

weapons :

each country has its own area of advantage and sophistication over the other, so maybe we have a balance on weapons between south africa and nigeria.

soldiers :

south african army, navy, and air force have been dormant and asleep for the past 25 years while nigerian armed forces have been too busy and very active fighting modern day wars using both light, medium and heavy equipment from 1990 liberian war, sierra leonan war, niger delta militancy, mali war, and boko haram insurgency 2013 today.

over 1,200 nigerian soldiers have died in those war zones from 1990 to 2013, show me what battles south african military has fought in the last 25 years involving your currently serving soldiers...not the old and retired SADF of angolan bush war most of whom are no longer in your military today.

current south african SANDF military forces have zero combat experience and just get salaries monthly for sleeping with their wives at home

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Msauza: Special force that has got only 7 years of age. Bwahaha!!!

ignorant boy. only nigerian navy Special Boat Service, SBS is a new force created in 2006 and 7 years old.

nigerian army special forces have existed for over 100 years till today, the nigerian army itself is 150 years old.

the nigerian army specials forces of today, are traditionally called commandos. you are just a clown

http://beegeagle./2012/11/29/world-exclusive-stripes-of-a-nigerian-army-special-forces-commando/

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zaandrew: What is range of those jets? Could easly sail the bulk of the journy on the surfac in a convouy. RAS then opater submerged in hostil warters.

Concidring we sailed a submarein with out a escort to south amerca I do not see how nigiera is a chalnge.

nigerian territorial water EEZ is only about 350km. Alpha jets combat range is about 600km, L-39 jet range is about 1,100 km. more than enough.

the total technical limit of south african navy Type 209 submarines fully submerged is 750km range at 7km/hr speed which equals about 100 hours only endurance under water fully submerged, but only half that can be used to stay inside enemy territory for 50 hours only, the submarine needs the remaining 50 hours to sail out of enemy territory or else it will sink there when diesel runs out !

you south africans dont know how youe submarines work and all its major weaknesses and limitations.

you think you have a magic weapon called a submarine, NO ! you fools

if you sail your south african submarine by snorkel for most of the journey to a place close nigeria say like 350km away from our coast, you already lost fuel for about 50 hours, and then.....

.... your submarine CANNOT stay more than 24 hours submerged inside nigerian EEZ waters or else it will run out of diesel fuel and sink by itself to perish in the sea bottom.

south african navy diesel fueled submarines CANNOT, i repeat, they CANNOT mount any naval blockade of nigerian waters. FACT proved scientifically !


only a nuclear fueled submarine of the world's big military super powers can fight against nigeria without being seen and sunk

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zaandrew: Do you even under stand just how far away 10000m is? Do you realze at that range it is way beyond the ffectiv range of rockets.

And your alpha jet piolts have seen real acstion?

dont quote what i did not say, i said F-7 jet first then Alpha jets second when its safe to use close range 7km rockets.

read people's posts well before you reply, i hate repeating posts, maybe i have to do that again now...for you fool !



topic : SATURATION ATTACK

content :

Saturation attack is a military tactic in which the attacking side hopes to gain an advantage by overwhelming the defending side's technological, physical and mental ability to respond effectively. During the Cold War and after the conventional saturation missile attack against naval and land targets was and is a much feared eventuality.

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"the weakness of Valour frigate is exposed by saturation attack, a fact which south african military experts have identified and worried about since the expensive valour frigates were purchased.

The Valour frigates can have their capacity doubled to 32 Umkhontos, but will probably carry only eight missiles and so "can easily be swamped by saturation attack

Also, after a missile has been fired, empty launch canisters have to be removed from their silos, but: "As far as can be determined, this cannot be done by the Valour-class at sea, so reloading will have to be done alongside in habour port or require a replenishment vessel, as a depot ship, in calm seas".

Heitman admitted the missiles might have difficulty intercepting supersonic assaults.

He added that no navy was able to reload its vertically launched anti-aircraft missiles at sea."

SOUTH AFRICAN SOURCE : http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles10/weak_ships.html


the nigerian F-7 jets will fire their PL-9C missiles from 13km above sea level, in a downward direction (same way a jet fighter uses its air to air missiles to shoot down on another enemy jet fighter that is far below it in combat. this is called altitude advantage SWOOP DOWN ATTACK combat tactic used for several purposes, e.g where one jet fighter is already airborne at high altitude and another enemy jet fighter just after take off from air base, with hope to climb up and challenge the high flyer, the high up jet quickly uses his height/altitude advantage to swoop down on it like an eagle on a chicken and fire air to air missiles downwards towards the ground from as high as 15 km above sea level, to knock out the enemy jet before it climbs up high).

the F-7 jet PL-9 missiles will force the Valour frigate to defend itself from many terrible 4,000 km/hr speed nigerian missiles and thus waste all the Valour figates 16 Umkhonto missiles because the F-7 jets keep firing more and more PL-9C, ATOLL and Rockets until the Valour frigate has finished using all its anti-aircraft missiles in self defence against the nigerian missiles.

however, the Valour frigates missiles only reach the nigerian missiles, the nigerian F-7 jets are safely flying at 13km above sea level beyond the altitude/ceiling range of only 10km that the south african umkhonto anti-aircraft missile can reach and end its journey there at that level.

after this, the nigerian F-7 jets and Alpha jets will all descend lower to 6km to 5km above sea level and use deadly salvo of over 100 rockets with speed 3,000 km/hr against the Valour frigates which is now become an easy target like a fat slow pig, easy to spot and target, a very big and massive warship visually captured by the computer guided gun-sight electronic targeting systems of the F-7 jet called HUDAWAC, this is the built-in weapon aiming computer, meaning Head-Up Display And Weapon Aiming Computer that is 100% accurate.

the only defence the Valour frigate has in its rear/back position is the DENEL CIWS gun but its poor range against air targets is only 4km so all the nigerian jets are safe out of its range flying 6km to 6km away behind the warship and firing hundreds of supersonic speed high e.x.plosive and fireball/incendiary air to ground attack rockets that have range of 7km, against the helpless and terrified south african warships until ALL the valour frigates of south african navy catch fire, collapase with holes punched into them and sink to the sea bottom forever.

Mandela and Zuma have no navy any more, Lagos has k.illed Johannesburg, Calabar k.illed Cape Town !

the swoop down attack maneuver at angle 180 degrees is defensive, while angle 45 degrees it is offensive.

photo/image below shows jet fighter swoop down attack, the missiles are fired at positions between number 2 and number 3, when an angle of 45 degrees is achieved, the jets air to air missile simply travels downwards and is guided by the pilots computer aided 100% accurate optical/visual sight towards any target that the jet pilot has seen in his gun/bore sight systems. this is one of the methods the F-7 jet PL-9C missiles will use to achieve the saturation attack objective.

https://i.imgur.com/IhSKX.png

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zaandrew: And your alpha jet pilots have seen real action ? Bombing people who can't shoot back is like bombing at a shooting range and yet still you have had accidents.

If you really studied milltary you would know just how stupid you look.

mister man, you dont know about nigerian wars.

Boko Haram has anti-aircraft weapons which they fired and damaged nigerian Alpha Jets and Mi-24 Hind helicopters in combat, Boko Haram is more deadly than Seleka or M23 rebels.

Boko Haram is linked to Mali rebels that defeated the national army of Mali and the Malian Air force that has MiG 21 jetfighters, L-29 light attack jets, and Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunships

"No fewer than 50 Boko Haram militants and three soldiers died in separate battles . The militants fired anti-aircraft guns at JTF jets and helicopters and attacked ground troops with missiles and guns.

The militants hit a JTF helicopter with anti-aircraft weapons during the operation.

However, the pilot was able to navigate the damaged aircraft to safety with no casualty on the part of the crew members."

http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-militants-may-be-tried-for-war-crimes-un/

rather, it is your south african air force that was dancing zulu dance because they sent one Rooivalk helicopter in a 30 minute operation against an already half dead and crippled M23 rebels who did not fire any anti-aircraft weapon at your helicopter, then DENEL says Rooivalk has seen war action, is that a battle to boast about ? try it facing Boko Haram's anti-aircraft guns and see enemy counter-fire.

those your inexperienced south african Gripen jets and Hawk jet pilots have NEVER flown one single combat mission since the day they were born and have never used their jets to kill one single cockroach.

nigerian air force of today, has 100 times more combat experience than south african air force of today. from 1990 to 2013 NAF is fighting wars.

many islamic militants/terrorists have anti-aircraft guns so boko haram used it.

https://modelsua.com/images/D/A48101.jpg

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zaandrew: and the rooivalk lack of radar is a problem how?

no it does not, why does the piloit need to find any thing. when the mokape was being test from the rooivalk the used a ground team to lase the target and the rooivakl fierd in a lock on after launch mode.

i thought you said i did not find any weakness in your Rooivalk helicopter gunship, so i now shocked you

it means you made foolish and fraudulent claims that Rooivalk will use some imaginary air to air missiles (which it does not have now anyway, and will likely never get it) to fight a nigerian F-7 jet when your Rooivalk helicopter has no single fire control radar and our F-7 jet has a 37km range fire control radar.

it means Rooivalk has a big problem and cannot use the Mokopa anti-tank missile 10km range from a distance of 10km since it has no radar to see targets

it means Rooivalk will depend on electro-optical aided eye-sight and fly close to about 4km away from target trying to locate, identify and verify it and then gets shot down from the sky in the process by anti-aircraft guns and missils

it means you need south african army to be inside another country's army territory to guide your foolish Mokopa missile to identified target and how will your soldiers enter nigerian army base ?

it means all these DENEL long range weapons south africans have been posting photos and boasting about from page 1 to page 900 of this forum are actually not usable in real practical war from any such long ranges that you claim.

no wonder the whole world military is not rushing to buy DENEL weapons and the company is struggling to survive with government cash gifts

your weapons 'magical abilities' are all totally fake like your schizophrenic madman interpreter in mandela's funeral

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