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zaandrew: You do know the sub that hit the bottom sufferd no majore damge and sailed 1000km back to siommons town before taking part in wargames a week latter.

The news report there was wrong. They had no source and the entire artical is a out right lie.

The other submarine on that date was conducting routien maintance and the 3rd is a a refite.

nonsense.

anyway, i will still reply that long post of garbage you wrote about submarines yesterday. dumbo !

zaandrew: You welcome to look him up your self. He is chairman of the "South African affiliate of Economists Allied for Arms Reduction"

that proves he knows military stuff to a leve as the South African affiliate of Economists Allied for Arms Reduction. i am an accountant and i spent over 20 years of my life studying war history and military weapons. some lieutenant colonels have not studied all 3 armed forces to that level. some civilians are damn good at military stuff. saddam hussein was a civilian too.

leave the south african man alone, he said your submarines messed up, let him be in peace. mind your own business.

zaandrew: Terry Crawford-Browne is a banker and anti milltary. He is not a milltary expert, he has zero insider knowldge and would be happy only with the complet dissbanding of the SANDF.

every body that says what you dont like, you label them as 'not a military expert'

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[size=16pt]South Africa's deputy disability minister says the government is investigating how a man who faked sign language at the Mandela memorial was given security clearance.[/size]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25345627


[size=16pt]i am violent, fake south african interpreter confesses

americans angry.....say obama's life was in danger with south africa's madman[/size]

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[size=16pt]Owners of company that supplied "fake" Nelson Mandela signer vanishes

south africa's popularity turns into insanity[/size]

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/africa/owners-of-company-that-supplied-fake-nelson-mandela-signer-vanishes-29832805.html


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some south african people have more than the fake interpreters claimed 'schizophrenia', they have full blown insanity....one of them posted the last comment of the previous page 894, a comment with no source no fact no brainwork, that is full insanity, i wonder how many insane madmen in south africa have internet access and misuse it randomly.

Msauza: You should have listened to yourself before uttering such a gibberish. It is not the first time he interpreted on public dormain. The man has a proven condition of bipolar disorder.

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

let him show us correct sign language now that he is off stage and we will see if he was sick or not

fake man fake excuses


south african security systems were fooled 100% by a fake man, you have to live with this fact or commit suicide if you dont like it

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Msauza: That man suffers from a bipolar which was diagnosed some while ago. This condition is very popular to academics. However, he was found to be a qualified sign language interpreter, since it was not the first time he was used.

http://news.ng.msn.com/africa-news/mandela-fake-interpreter-blames-schizophrenia-1

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/mandela-mimer-hits-back-i-m-sign-language-champion

you are busy posting cheap stories that have no writer/source from yahoo and msn, you this yahoo yahoo boy

credible newspapers and world standard media sources say south africa is actually full of these fake interpreters who scam your country randomly


[size=16pt]one fake man fools south african security system in pretoria[/size]


"Ingrid Parkin, principal of the St Vincent School for the Deaf in Johannesburg, received complaints from deaf people across the world, from Canada to China. “This man himself knows he cannot sign and he had the guts to stand on an international stage and do that,” she said.

She added that bogus sign-language interpreters were a problem in South Africa, “because people who know a few signs try to pass themselves off as interpreters. And those hiring them usually don’t sign, so they have no idea that the people they are hiring cannot do the job”.

The fake man has so far not been identified."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/nelson-mandela-memorial-bogus-interpreter-made-mockery-of-barack-obamas-tribute-8997486.html



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NaijaPikinGidi: I had hoped for some form of direct response to the clear facts of the serious security breach and risk posed to world leaders yesterday! But clearly not even one of our usual blockhead South African "bingos" on this thread will touch my comment with a 10 kilometer pole. Truth is sacred. Touch truth the wrong way and die!

As usual beautiful pictures of spineless security personnel are the best response to the scandal televised and seen the world over! One man has proved us right about South Africa ... fooling themselves in such empty grandeur for a revered Mr. Mandela. Any more sign linguists in South Africa?


"While dignitaries were addressing the crowd in the FNB stadium in Johannesburg, the man with an official security pass around his neck produced a series of hand signals that experts said meant absolutely nothing.

Police say the hunt is on for the man, but they do not know who he is."



http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/43a4fd804226548f8373af1c2eddf908/Government-investigates-fake-interpreter



How is it that your fabled Gripens, Rooivalk helicopters, and ground soldiers, security personnel and operatives were so unable to detect this man? More proof for my comments on this thread over the past few months. Remember the Park Station matter of a few months back?

now this is my favorite post for the festive month of December.....what a merry and funny christmas this will be.

good job @Naijapikingidi, all south africans have no courage to reply this your story, they are running away from it in shame, soweto fools got fooled 100% on their own homeland soil

100% south african security system with admirals and generals, helicopters and jets, electronics and radars, all in place and position, yet all fooled and penetrated 100% by one single man !

south africa is finished, one boko haram will capture jacob zuma alive and demand for $100 million kidnap ransom


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG57ncLTCNc
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Mike..ZA:
I can too ask: Show me where your anit-ship missiles destroyed a stealth frigate,armed with point defence surface to air missiles..........The American navy's butt has been kicked many times by the Gotland class diesel submarine. NATO too had its ships sunk by a South African diesel submarine. America uses advanced detecting systems that are way advanced compared to Nigeria's,yet they fail to detected diesel submarines.

[size=16pt]Submarines Vs Warships....who is stronger ?[/size]




first, i remind you that NNS ARADU's Otomat missile itself is partially stealth anti-ship missile.

a stealth warship is NOT invisible to radar, it only looks smaller like half its real size. dont carry your imaginations beyond reality man !

south african warships have only a short ranged surface to air missile defence, but NNS ARADU's Otomat is a surface to surface anti-ship missile, it does not go up like an aircraft in the sky for your surface to air missiles to stop it, Otomat hugs the ocean waters as a sea skimming missile and south africa has NO defensive missile against that.

only an anti-missile Missile can attempt to stop an Otomat, and south africa has no anti-missile Missile designed for that special role.




next point....you think submarines are a magical weapon platform ? against civilian ships yes. against naval warships no !

in world war II germany lost about 800 of its 1,200 submarines in combat and 300 of those submarines were sunk by warships.

germany's 1,200 submarines sank about 2,700 civilian merchant ships but only 180 naval warships in battles at sea.


http://www.navyhistory.org.au/british-and-german-submarine-statistics-of-world-war-ii/

if submarines are the magical weapons you south africans think they are, all big navies of the world will sell off their warships and buy only submarines. you dont know the technical limitations of submarines in naval warfare.

you think they are spirits that cannot be sunk while they have fun sinking ships, reason why i posted that link for you above.

out of 1,200 german submarines, ships sank 300 of those submarines in world war II, while the submarines sank only 180 of the warships.

who won the battle between ships and submarines ? the ships of course, statistics prove it in real war.

on the average for sea battles, when submarines sink one ship, the other ships sink two submarines also.

in year 2004 American Navy upgraded its anti-submarine capability against even the very modern Gotland class submarine which they wisely bought and experimented with to know how to defeat the Swedish submarine.

no real war has ever been fought in history between a warship with modern sonar and modern submarine. War games are only exercises for training, no live weapons are fired on each other, training is NOT war of fight to finish, kill and be killed.


The weakness of hidden submarines is that once they fire torpedoes, their hidden position is detected and the ship fires anti-submarine torpedoes too.

warships like NNS ARADU at almost 70km/hr moves 10 times faster than submerged submarines of only 7km/hr.

also, NNS ARADU at 70km/hr moves faster than torpedoes of 55km/hr coming from submarines.

enemy submarine moving at 7km/hr is 6 times slower than torpedoes of speed 45km/hr fired by NNS ARADU's.

i just showed you the technical reason why warships sink more submarines in real battle, not your games played between friendly navies that no weapons at all.

In real war, both the warship and submarine have a nearly close balance of power, but war history gives the victory of greater kills in favour of warships.

Worst for the submarine are the Lynx antisubmarine helicopters of Nigerian navy carried on board our NNS ARADU, once a submarine fires torpedoes the location is revealed as well as it's bearings /cardinal point direction at it moves at 7km/hr slow snail speed it will be hunted and sunk because the submarine will be about only 20km away from the ship due to short range of torpedoes.

a nigerian Lynx anti-submarine helicopter armed with its new upgraded year 2014 detector sonar and torpedoes flying safely at speed 300km/hr pursuing a south african submarine just 20km away while the slow submarine is trying to run away at snail slow speed of 7km/hr, it takes on 3 minutes for the helicopter to be exactly over the head of the submarine ! soweto's submarine is going to its sea bed grave for burial that day !

also, submarines hidden and submerged cannot stay more than about 24 hours under water without rushing back to the surface to save diesel fuel from finishing, only nuclear fuelled submarines can stay underwater hidden for weeks and no country in Africa has it.

You think a submarine is a mammy water spirit that cannot be destroyed ? No sir, you got it all wrong !

NNS ARADU, supported by our two new stealth Type 056 warships will lead a nigerian sea invasion of south africa and there will be terror and fear in your country when we arrive your waters !

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Mike..ZA:
Air defence is not about ground based systems only. Air superiority by fighter jets and scanning the skies with radar is what really counts. Your Roland can be destroyed precision guided munitions like the paveway smartbombs or the Umbani PGM. You too remember images of the palamaria 155mm self propelled howitzer destroyed by NATO air strikes in Libya. And please wonder why France used LGM in Mali.

first point, south africa is NOT equal to NATO/EUROPE, you are mere soweto mofos of africa

nigerian Roland SAM missiles will shot down all south african jets. we proved that many times here.

Umbani bomb of south africa CANNOT work against nigerian air defence because it uses laser to find the enemy, nigerian army will see the laser ray from the south african hawk jets and shoot them down.

your hawk jets have very weak radar and cannot find the Roland without getting close, then the Roland radar or electro-optical will pick up the Hawks and shoot down all your jets even before they launch any laser guided bomb.

worse for your Gripen jet that has a stronger radar than Hawk jet, but Gripen can only carry Paveway guided bomb with range only 20km, and Gripen needs to find the Roland and light it up with laser beams, then it gets too close within the Roland missile range and gets shot down.

all your guided bombs are slow speed weapons designed in reality, for stationary targets like houses that cannot move away from a slow speed bomb, so all your Umbani and Paveway bombs will be shot down by nigerian Type 90 computerized anti-aircraft gun with superb rapid fire and super high speed anti-aircraft 35mm shells.

you dont know how guided bombs work, they need laser beam to guide them to their targets, and the jet fighter needs to find that target first, be very sure it is the right target, and illuminate it with the laser light beams, hoping their will be no air defence from the ground against the jets now in close range to enemy air defences....

but no, nigeria will dash that hope, we have the best anti-aircraft weapons in all africa as at today.

laser guided bombs are NOT magical weapons dude, they work well against an enemy that has weak air defences only, not Nigeria's level


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Mike..ZA:
1. Nigeria doesn't have amphibious assault ships to transport troops in long ranges like from Nigeria to South Africa. 2. NNS Aradu can be sunk by a SAN submarine. 3. Your invading troops will need air cover or support against relentless air strikes by the South African air forces. 4. Nigeria doesn't have the capability to transport heavy weapons like tanks,fuel trucks and recovery vehicles,this can be proven by the fact that Nigeria can't retrieve/bring home its weapons from Mali which were flown there by the RAF. 5. Nigeria lacks the capacity to treat its wounded soldiers,currently some were sent abroad. 6. Nigeria would be forced down to her knees by sanctions,coming down to which country between the foes can produce and service its weapons systems.

you are wrong dude, nigeria has NNS AMBE assault ship that carries artillery, tanks and anti-aircraft weapons.

how did you think nigeria moved 15,000 soldiers from lagos to liberia/sierra leone about 3,000 km away moving our heavy armour and artillery ?

you think we drove our army on land through 6 other west african countries territories ? fool

nigeria has capacity to invade south africa. i have studied it carefully and i have an invasion master plan. FACT !

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/nns-ambe.htm



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CraigB: On this thread, it's been shown that Israel's customers sent the drones back, the complaint being poor quality and performance.

Facts. Not dreams.

Msauza: The fact remains you have been stripped of cash for scraps.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey-to-return-israeli-made-drones-citing-technical-problems/

sorry dude, on this thread it was wrongly quoted, the drones returned by Turkey to Israel are HERON drones NOT Aerostar drones of nigeria.

QUOTE

"Turkey decided to send the three Heron drones back after technical problems were found with the aircraft, Turkish news outlet NTV reported. Turkey acquired the drones four years ago as part of a 10 drone, $183 million deal with Israel Aerospace Industries."

SOURCE

http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey-to-return-israeli-made-drones-citing-technical-problems/

CraigB: Try again. You can't sell us a dud on the thread.

Weak defences are for the babies of Naai-geria.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/poland-cancels-aerostar-uav-purchase-377210/

still no big issue in the different case of Poland that does not want the Israeli Aerostar drone ONLY because it does not do automatic self take off and landing ATOL, so it must be manually guided to take off and land at base, thats all the complaint Poland has, NOT that the drones dont do the job they are meant to do in war.

Poland can complain, but America, Russia, Holland and about 10 countries do NOT complain since the drones work well in battle fields.


nigeria uses israeli aerostar drones along with 15 other countries including Israel, America, Russia, Holland, etc

"Aerostar Tactical UAV was introduced in 2001 and operated since by some 15 customers worldwide, accumulating 130,000 operational hours (Nov. 2013). Aerostar was one of the first UAV to operate in civil missions such as an oil rigs protection program near the shores of Angola, as well as in military leasing programs in the Middle East and in Afghanistan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronautics_Defense_Systems


the Dutch chose the same israeli-nigerian aerostar drone above all other european options because it is GOOD.....you fool

"The Dutch have picked Aeronautics Defense Systems’ Aerostar UAV, and that firm has just confirmed the contract with Israel."

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Dutch-to-Rent-Israeli-UAVs-for-Afghanistan-05254/


same aerostar israeli drone performing well in america, russia, holland, etc
.https://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/uav/aerostar/aerostar_p1.jpg

Mike..ZA:
France has helicopters + fighter planes doing recce missions. After two of their men were killed they stopped patrolling for hours. You out of all people know I like talking about facts: Show me where South Africans ran. Cause even right now the FDLR in the DRC is on the receiving end of our precise weapons.

south africa's useless army ran so fast out of seleka rebels combat zone in CAR, they left their uniforms, 4x4 trucks, and gecko vehicles behind....with that speed, even usain bolt olympic 100m champion will envy your running army's speed

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Mike..ZA:
Bloody terrorists escaped and Al shabaab is increasing its attacks on Kenya. It is about time Kenya gets drones to patrol its boarders.

...and you soweto fools said nigerian army failed in battle after we killed dozens of boko haram, so what do you call kenyan army that could not kill a dozen islamic terrorists after many days inside one single shopping mall which kenyan army and air force helicopters already surrounded

see how you now condemn your own past posts on boko haram battles...dumbo

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Mike..ZA:
The Gripens aren't equipped with anti-ship missiles. Make no mistake of that cause anti-ship are available for the Griffin from Sweden. Fact is: The Nigerian navy can be defeated by the SAN in the sea.

nigeria's 12 Alpha jets are built to be armed with Maverick multirole anti-ship missile. stop thinking that only south africa can import new weapons

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courtesy of @Naijapikingidi

[size=16pt]fake man breaks south african security

fools the whole nation

endangers obama's life and other world leaders

south african national security arrangement torn into pieces by one man [/size]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/deaf-interpreter-nelson-mandela-memorial-fake-officials-article-1.1544251

boko haram will even enter jacob zuma's bedroom and kidnap him and his 4 wives. foolish south african security system


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/11/article-2521843-1A011CBE00000578-352_634x362.jpg

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CraigB: Captured is Naai-geria. Jonathan has indirectly sought help from South Africa by requesting the support of the rapid deployment force - Zuma's suggestion.

quote source, and even if its true, whats wrong with asking south africa to be part of an African Union force ? sure your racist mind does not like to see your country now part of the African Union that campaigned against apartheid south africa as OAU .

we all know you hate to see black people unite. racist fool

CraigB: The nation of Naai-geria is captured by Boko Haram and they can't move on until they free themselves from the claws of civil war.

ordinary one civilian man defeated the whole security system south Africa master planned to protect over 50 world leaders at Mandela's burial.

Book haram is more sleek, sly and slippery than that young man that defeated south African security paraphernalia.

Obama could have been killed to go meet Mandela in Heaven or Hades, and you still get mouth to dey talk when you should be ashamed of your useless south African security systems.

No wonder ANC rebels entered inside your nuclear reactor at koelberg city and shot with ordinary AK-47 through your heavy military defenses....

Useless south African military and intelligence mugus

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chris365: and obama thought the country south africa was safer

That explains a lot. The man could have shot Obama and excaped without being identified. Funny country.

if boko haram was a south african terrorist group they will capture jacob zuma from his bedroom and south african military will be confused

Mike..ZA:
Name dropping doesn't change a thing. This American anti-submarines detectors are the ones failing the detected diesel submarines?. American and British detectors time by time fail to detected diesel submarines they failed in South Africa and many which I cannot count in Sweden. Diesel submarines are hard to detect by using systems intended for BIG nuclear submarines. YOUR ARANDU WILL MAKE A NICE HOUSE FOR DIFFERENT FISH SPECIES.

Show me source proof of where ARADU's exact brand of modern American anti-submarine detector Sonar was escaped by your Type 209 submarine, show me !

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Mike..ZA:
The best air defence?. With a couple of old Rolands? 16 launchers to be precise and 12 F-7 jets. Egypt,Algeria and South Africa are the best countries in that field.

South Africa has NO air defense weapon in service as at today that can match Nigeria's Roland. Fact proved on this forum many times !!!

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CraigB: It's simple: the Naai-gerian drones are useless, low-quality drones. Smarter nations have sent them back to source.

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Israel is a greater military power than those countries who rejected the Israeli drones, and Israel still uses those same drones as well as Nigeria.

Rubbish Israel if you wish, Israel built 70% of south African weapons manufacturing capacity by direct transfer of technology and scientists in exchange for cash.

Israel is south Africa's master forever.

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Mike..ZA:
The Gripens aren't equipped with anti-ship missiles. Make no mistake of that cause anti-ship are available for the Griffin from Sweden. Fact is: The Nigerian navy can be defeated by the SAN in the sea.

Since your whole air force is now proved useless against NNS ARADU it means Nigeria can invade South Africa by sea and make Mandela tremble in his grave.

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Mike..ZA:
NNS Arandu can be send deep down by a SAN submarine easily.

SAN submarine can be detected by NNS ARADU's new American anti-submarine detector sonar and sunk to sea bottom by ARADU's anti-submarine multiple tube torpedoes.

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NaijaPikinGidi: And while Archbishop Desmond Tutu was busy dealing with Mr. Mandela's memorial matters in Pretoria, his home in Cape Town was being burgled and fleeced of valuables in Cape Town. South Africa united for Madiba?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521960/Desmond-Tutus-house-burgled-delivering-prayer-Mandelas-memorial-service.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/thieves-burgle-home-of-archbishop-desmond-tutu-while-he-attends-nelson-mandela-memorial-service-8998304.html
http://www.thenational.ae/world/africa/desmond-tutus-home-burgled-while-he-attended-mandela-memorial

A sad but true commentary of South Africa before and after Mr. Mandela.

South Africa is a s..h..i..t hole


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Amhatu: No one does. The recent catastrophe in Central African Republic proves that (09/12/2013 - ongoing ). Foreign Countries not of Africa must provide security for Central African Republic.

Tha Last Strong African Military was Ethiopia under Mengistu Haile Mariam.

Mengistu was a brutal military dictator ! Ethiopia was economically poor in his time.

I agree the military was a great war fighting machine in his time, even Nigeria was not much stronger that Ethiopia then...i mean the Army.

Ethiopia always had a better air force, but Nigeria always had the best air defense in Africa, nobody ever dares challenge our air defences till today.


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CraigB: You did not. You posted a link about South Africans crashing the submarines and doing other things to them.

Irrelevant rubbish.

Answer the question: Who has EVER complained about the QUALITY of our submarines? Where is the proof?

Get on with it. Your petticoat is showing. Move along now. Proof.

go back and read that link, your submarines are prone to electrical faults as one broke down electrically without hitting any object.

i wont waste my time on what i posted 3 times in 6 hours ago.

next south african on the line please.....make your post and lets see how dull you are too

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CraigB: More stories about aunty Mavis's dog.

Tell us who and when has anyone EVER complained about the QUALITY of the submarines as produced by the source.

Don't give us an IRRELEVANT link.

Simple.

Answer the question.

i posted that complaint source 3 times 6 hours ago, if you pretend you did not see it, then pretend to your girlfriend that you have no d...i...c...k

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CraigB: Don't give us long stories about where aunty Mavis may have walked the dog last night. Show us clear proof:

Where and when has anyone complained about the QUALITY of the products as produced by the source? Who has ever returned the prototype to source, citing poor quality and performance?

It's a simple question.

Answer the simple question.

Don't go to town.

I show you how to answer the question below.

south africa did NOT return the faulty submarines because your corrupt politicians and cash greedy navy admirals had been paid bribes to shut up and accept them faulty like that, fact

"He said submarine manufacturer Ferrostaal was under fire for corrupt dealings with Greece and Portugal, whose own arms deals contributed to the current European fiscal crisis: "This [South Africa's submarine deal] is a déjà-vu situation with Portugal and Greece.

This is another example of what happens in arms deals all the time, but it seems to be happening more than most in our deals. We were sold equipment that seems to be of dubious quality, we were sold it at inflated prices because of the bribes that were paid"


http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2012/08/12/not-one-of-the-r8-billion-arms-deal-submarines-is-operational


swallow the bitter pills of truth....fool

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NaijaPikinGidi: Unmistakable and unforgettable photo of Mr. Nelson Mandela who was flown from South Africa to Nigeria in a jet from the Presidential fleet. A grateful Mr. Mandela salutes the Nigerian nation as he exists the plane to a warm Nigerian welcome at the Airport. Forever, history will be a witness to his immense greatness earned not by birth but by the African efforts of solidarity, compassion, and generosity spearheaded by Nigeria and like minded pan African forces.

https://lh4.ggpht.com/-5owRt_ZEtZQ/UqEN1m1gAoI/AAAAAAAAFFg/c-l3U_Sw8gI/s1600/DERIV-216_44-4-670x460.jpg

Rest in Peace son of mama Africa.

[size=16pt]thank you for saving south africa and me too...mandela salutes great nigeria ! [/size]


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