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what does a Lynx Anti-Submarine helicopter upgrade process look like ?


In parallel with the dead-end Army Lynx 3, Westland mocked up a corresponding "Naval Lynx 3" with the same fat tailboom, tailfins, and other airframe changes, plus an undernose drum radome for 360-degree radar and a FLIR turret on top of the nose. Nobody bit on the Navy Lynx 3 either, but some of its advanced features would be used in the third-generation naval Lynx, the Royal Navy "Lynx HMA.8" and its export "Super Lynx" equivalents.

Seven Lynx HAS.3S machines were modified from 1989 for evaluation of new gear; these evaluation machines in particular featured the RAMS 4000 Central Tactical System, which integrated the Lynx's combat avionics systems and a datalink system to provide unified displays and system controls. These machines were redesignated "Lynx HAS.3CTS".

http://www.airvectors.net/avlynx_2.html

http://www.eurocopter.com/site/en/press/German-Navy-to-Upgrade-Sea-Lynx-Fleet_176.html?iframe=true&width=700


nigerian navy is upgrading our Lynx Anti-Submarine helicopters close to the best modern standards in the world now, you never knew that.

"Informed Nigerian sources suggest that the long-stored Lynx Mk.89 naval helicopters of the Nigerian Navy Air Arm which can be armed with torpedoes, are about now undergoing upgrades and are due for delivery sometime in March 2014."

http://beegeagle./2013/12/03/spotlight-on-the-harbin-z-9-helicopter-and-type-056-corvetteopv-matchup-ship-design-from-which-nigerias-incoming-and-enlarged-1800-ton-p18n-stealth-opvs-were-derived/



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[size=16pt]modern sea warfare : ships vs submarines[/size]

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zaandrew: There are only 2 types of ships. Submarines and targets.


Since when is the ottmat stealthy, it is very unstealthy. I mean it is a big missiel no radar guided missiel is stealth since the use of radar is like shout I am here over a megaphone.

Suface to air means it shoots things down in the sky missiels fly in the sky thuse are targets. Not to menstion they bossted the range to 20km and the umkhonto has a secondary land attack role.

Anti missiel miessiel? The umkhonto was built to target air craft, drones, missiels, small boats, and a host of othere targets.

Modernday submariens are not the same has ww2 subs. That like compairing WW1 biplanes to modern jets.

There are certain jobs that subs just can not do. They execel at one thing sea denneail. You need surface ships for all other roles.

Yet that diessiel still out manvourses them. Not to menstion your NN does not have modern sonar.

Falcklands war, sub 1 surface ship zero,

It not that simple, a sub can evade a torpedo far better than a ship.

That why you wait for the surface ship. If the taget is say capetown you lay in wait let it come to you. Submarine warfare is hours of boring nothing with a few minuents of acstions. If the people on this forum are a reflecstion of nigeria your eagerness would make you a poor submarine users.

You do not use speed to out run them.

It showws how you used another appel v orgen comparsion. But that a standard of yours.

When last did your lynx fly?

2014? Nigerians invented time machines? Please show exactly what sytems are on your lynx?

This is not ww2, subs can now spend days under water and only come up to perscope depth to snorkal

You are fool.

submarine and targets is an old saying popularized by submariners who think they are invincible and cannot be killed, they should go as their colleagues from the 300 sunken U-boat submarines whose final graveyard is in the bottom of the sea where mammy water is watching over them.

Otomat anti-ship missile is partially stealth as i said because skims on ocean surface at only about 6 feet above water and it is passive with no use of radar in flight until only 6 km from the target activates the on-board radar to reduce reaction time from the target, that is partial stealth, very hard to detect.

you said umkhonto anti-aircraft missile is built to target small boats ! you must be a real navy chef/cook
your over-rated anti aircraft missile has suddenly been re-named as an anti-ship missile, you think we are fools here ?

umkhonto missile is ONLY designed to fight aircraft or cruise missiles in the air, NOT anything on the sea water surface. DENEL never tested it against any sea hugging enemy weapon. click and read the words on the photo below and stop deceiving yourself man !

it says "Umkhonto missile is speciafically designed for providing defense against air attacks from aircraft and missiles", it does NOT say defense against sea attacks from anti-ship missile, or in your own small brain an Otomat anti-ship missile kissing the surface of the ocean water is an air attack ? fool

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7627/ordsamumkhontoirmissile.jpg


why did the British navy HMS Sheffield in 1982 falkaland war with all her powerful radars did not see Argentina's Exocet anti-ship missile and the jet fighter that launched it until few minutes close to the British ship and then sank the ship ? the Etendard jet and its Exocet missile were sea skimming, thats why sank the powerful British warship unseen until too late to stop them.

why did British ship HMS Sheffield not use her powerful high speed Sea Dart anti-aircraft missiles 3 times faster than the enemy's Exocet anti-ship missile to defend herself and stop Argentina's 3 times slower Exocet antiship missile that sunk the British ship ? you dont know how real combat is fought dude !

Umkhonto missile is built to defend against AIR ATTACK NOT SEA ATTACK, you south african fools !


now to submarines vs warships.


my post contained detailed analysis of speed and ranges of NNS Aradu, Type 209 Submarine, and their Torpedoes. i used basic mathematical calculations to simulate combat between both of them using all their basic technical details, then you did no calculations and comparison, you just picked your laptop and speak out your mind like a real navy cook chef that is better with tomatoes and onions than with combat weapons.

a hidden submerged south african submarine can only run at 7km/hr snail slow speed, while NNS Aradu can run at about 70 km/hr. your submarine will fire a torpedo and its position is not hidden any more, it is revealed. if ARADU fires back with her own torpedo that moves at about 45km/hr, then your submarine cannot escape ARADU's torpedo while ARADU can out-run your own Torpedo.

NNS ARADU can send its Lyxn anti-submarine helicopter to fish out and sink your submarine.

death is almost guaranteed for any submarine who's position is discovered when it tries to attack a ship.


now a submarine snorkeling by sticking out its big tube (called a snorkel) out and above water surface to get air, must be almost on sea surface due to use its very short snorkel, it becomes partly visible and exposed to danger and more easy for a ship to find and kill. see photo below...

USS Chicago attack submarine, at snorkeling submerged depth in Pacific Ocean and photographed by an unseen helicopter flying in the air.
https://www.afcea.org/signal/articles/articlefiles/1054-Pic1-RRsilent.jpg


snorkel creates waves and water wakes in along trail showing the movement path of the submarine and making it become clearly visible to the enemy ships and ship borne helicopters.

submarines fear helicopters because they have no radar to know a helicopter is flying above the ocean, a major reason why submarines need to always submerge in hostile war zone because helicopters have radars to see them on sea surface emerging or just snorkelling.

the man in the air cannot be harmed by submarines as they have no defence against ship borne helicopters.

you dont know how weak a submarine is when it faces a good navy ? let me show you....

"A submarine's effectiveness depends on its ability to remain submerged and undetected. From this position beneath the surface, a sub can search, track, and attack using the element of surprise. The element of surprise has always been the submarine's greatest asset and is still considered its most powerful weapon. When surfaced, however, submarines are quite vulnerable, since modern subs operate more slowly and have less armament than surface ships. By surfacing, submarines surrender their invisibility."


http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/teach/dive/elem.htm



nigerian navy Lynx helicopters will see a submarine snorkel tube popping out clearly above water surface level disturbing the water surface with waves and wakes in a long trail in an open sea, nigerian ATR-42 surveyor aircraft will see a snorkel from over 200km away with its NATO standard year 2013 electronic search radars, and FLIR, TV cameras etc, nigerian high resolution satellites will see a submarine snorkel due to its waves and water wakes creating a long path of disturbance on the sea water surface.

in 1982 falklands war a ship borne Lynx helicopter of nigeria's type sank a submarine that came a little near the water surface, and in that 1982 war, it was one-one draw ship vs submarine last time they met in real war in falklands Britain vs Argentina.

Sante fe submarine was hit by depth charges from ships helicopter and sank.

General Belgrano is a world war II warship of 1945 with no anti-ship missile and was sunk by a 1971 nuclear powered submarine NOT the weaker and less capable diesel submarines that south africa has today.

about 250 of u-boat submarines in world war II were sunk by warships while the submarines were fully submerged by depth charges

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:U-boats_sunk_by_depth_charges

nigerian navy is upgrading our Lynx anti-submarine helicopters close to the best modern standards in the world now, you never knew that.

"Informed Nigerian sources suggest that the long-stored Lynx Mk.89 naval helicopters of the Nigerian Navy Air Arm which can be armed with torpedoes, are about now undergoing upgrades and are due for delivery sometime in March 2014."

http://beegeagle./2013/12/03/spotlight-on-the-harbin-z-9-helicopter-and-type-056-corvetteopv-matchup-ship-design-from-which-nigerias-incoming-and-enlarged-1800-ton-p18n-stealth-opvs-were-derived/

sorry my south african friends, we nigerians on nairaland are NO longer deceived by the nice photos of your shiny modern weapons, we now study and anaylyze all your weapons and we keep discovering new weaknesses and limitations, thus we match them against nigerian weapons and we have proved that nigeria does not have the most shiny painted weapons, but we are more powerful than you are in many aspects.

Otomat, Roland, ATR-42 surveyor, Bofors F-77B, BTR-3U, Cobra, Shaldag, Seastar, Spy Satellites, etc.

Learn to respect the giant of Africa so you can live long, dont fight war with a Titan, nigeria is an 'incredible Hulk'

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zaandrew: Considering we sailed a submarine without a escort to south amerca I do not see how nigiera is a challenge.

was that in a war ? you sailed submarine to Brazil for friendly visit, same way Nigeria sailed NNS Thunder alone to Australia for friendly visit.

zaandrew: Would not be the first time our SF and tatical intelgiance guys have done it. And what experiance in this does your SF have.

ngerian army special forces sneaked on boko haram leader shekau's secret hidden forest/jungle base on top of a mountain and we killed him, he did not know nigerian army had crept into his stronghold.

you are foolish enough to ask what experience nigerian special forces have, your south african special forces never found seleka leaders base or even smell it from a distance.

south african army's old SADF 1980s angola bush war special forces are almost all old and retired by now and gone with all their experience.

today's current south african special forces have no combat record and NO combat experience. who did they fight in war ? who ?

nigerian army's current special forces have been fighting combat and recce against boko haram for 4 years now and have sneaked unseen and undiscovered to spy and fight and snipe in jungles and mountains after their other war experience against niger d.elta militants for about 10 years in year 2000 to 2010 inside thick mangrove swamps and jungles every day fighting about 30,000 m.ilitants.

nigeria has the most experienced special forces in Africa, south africa's current special forces have almost ZERO combat experience, they just pose for @THIZA's photographs and get paid monthly salary for sleeping with their wives at home in soweto.

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zaandrew: ...

i will later reply your foolish submarine warfare post of yesterday, i just finished dealing with that @Mike..ZA the comedian who tries to be a soldier

zaandrew: and the lack of radar is a problem how? most attack choppers do not carry them and i have stated befor it is the only thing the apachy has on the rooivalk

no it does not, why does the piloit need to find any thing. when the mokape was being test from the rooivalk the used a ground team to lase the target and the rooival fierd in a lock on after launch mode. and if a apachy had to fly arround with it's radar on it would be shouting here i am.

your south african army ground team will be inside nigerian army occupied positions ? we can also put our soldiers inside south african army base too. use your head dumbo

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Mike..ZA:
Your ship will need escort ships to escort it to SA against threats posed by submarines,meaning without any frigate protecting Nigeria's water a group of special forces can attack your armament ports.

Your ship can only transport 540 troops,whom will need another supply ship carrying munitions,water,food and fuel trucks 3. Nigerian artillery will be useless cause there will be no air strips for your drones to fly from.

Nigeria won't come guns blazing,with 5 T-55 tanks which the SANDF uses as training shooting targets.

Your ship will have to stop at some port making it a nice target for the Umbabi PGM

one NNS Aradu, two NNS Thunder I and II (second NNS Thunder sister ships is joining our navy next year 2014), two ultra-modern Type 056 Stealth warships will escort NNS AMBE landing ship to invade south africa. that is one of the most powerful escort force you can get in Africa.

two NATO standard nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor maritime patrol aircraft and 50 jet fighters plus 400 patrol boats, 660 coastal artillery, two La Combattante warships NNS ANYAM and NNS SIRI armed with Exocet M38 anti-ship missiles are enough to keep away threat at home nigeria.

south african navy will be too busy at home facing a deadly nigerian navy fleet and will not risk travelling 5,000 km away to nigeria in a counter attack that will expose them to sinking by nigerian air force jets and coastal artillery.

any south african special forces troop will meet their sudden death from nigerian navy special forces, nigerian army amphibious forces and nigerian navy massive force of 400 sophisticated in-shore and mid-shore fast patrol gun boats in the first group photo below. you think Nigeria is equal to Botswana ?

second solo photo below is NNS AMBE landing ship of nigerian navy with its flat frontal landing ramp for armoured vehicles and artillery to land.

540 troops on NNS Ambe, no, we will about 3,000 troops on ordinary troop transport ships like we did in sierra leone war.

NNS Ambe is not limited to the weapons list on global security website i posted to educate you since you never even knew NNS Ambe exists.

we can put only Cobra/VBL armed with swingfire anti-tank missile or BTR-3U on NNS Ambe, why should we use an old T-55 Tank when we have modern armoured vehicles that can launch anti-tank weapons ? we can even put in Sagaie wheeled IFV with 90mm guns.

i wont tell you now how many intelligent weapons mix we can do on NNS Ambe. you just think like a kid

NNS Ambe has range of 10,000km enough to sail from nigeria to south africa and return back to nigeria without refuelling. use your head well.

NNS AMBE DATA


Displacement: 1190t standard, 1470t full, 1590t design limit Dimensions: 285’4”x45’9”x7’5” Machinery: Diesel-reduction: 2 MTU 16V956-TB92 diesels, 4 shafts Max speed: 17kts

Range: 4900NM @ 10kts loaded (about 10,000 km range).

no south african air force jet or helicopter will ever dare to fly when nigeria's NNS ARADU is threatening your homeland with Aspide Beyond Visual Range anti-aircraft missiles of 75km range. get it ?

the aim of an invasion is not to win but to shake south africa to its foundations with the fireballs of war on your homeland soil !

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Mike..ZA:
Your lack of military knowledge is proven here again.

1. The Roland has never shot down any supersonic jet,it show dowm sub-sonic jets,it even has small range of 8km which makes it exposed to the Rooivalk mokopa missile

2. The Umbani has a range of 120km out of your Roland range,read my next point carefully I'm about to teach you something .

3. No computerised gun can shoot down incoming(mortar,shells and missiles),only the USA and Israel have systems that are CRAM capable example being the Iron dome air defence system. Your type 90 gun is not a CRAM system STOP DREAMING.

5. Laser guided bombs can be guided by special forces operators with laser designation binoculars or other hand portable small systems


6. The Gripen can "light up" the target with its laser while hawk launches the bomb and the bomb shall be guided by the Gripen.

7. SHOW ME WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT THE TYPE 90 IS CRAM capable.............Mike..Za again whooping your blue balls

sorry dude, you were actually crushing your own tiny balls and they are already leaking like a broken bag of pure water

i will answer your posts number by number same way you raised your foolish points.


1. Roland missile of nigeria shot down two supersonic 2,400 km/hr speed NATO Tornado jets in combat, you failed there my boy .

"Iraq is believed to have received 100 Rolands, and a Roland SAM is believed to have shot down 2 Panavia Tornado jet aircraft during Operation Desert Storm"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland-(missile)


next, you CANNOT use a slow speed Rooivalk helicopter against a Roland that shoots down the most powerful jet fighters in the world. it will foolishness and calamity for the south air force to try that with nigeria.

Rooivalk helicopter has NO RADAR dude !

your soweto helicopter fires only by sight and seeing target.

"The Rooivalk is not equipped with a fire control radar,” says Van Rooyen, unlike the AH-64D Apache and the Tiger. the Rooivalk is only fitted with an electro-optical sight system which incorporates a FLIR and a TV sensor, targets are only found by aided sight."

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/the-rebirth-of-the-rooivalk-2011-05-20


abuja's Roland anti-aircraft missile has a radar range of 18km, we see your Rooivalk helicopter from far away 18km, now dude, that is death !

your 10km range mokopa missile is just a useless distance, Rooivalk needs to come close to Roland SAM and to find it by electro-aided eye sight and lock on it and keep on locking while it exposes itself to Roland anti-aircraft missiles. even the mighty world best Apache long bow helicopter gunship radar range for targeting is only 8km so it has to get closer than 8km to the target.

Rooivalk is even worse, it will be less than 5km to the target to find, identify, and confirm the Roland target because Rolands usually hide like other air defences under heavy camouflage nets, or behind buildings, or in the bush, see sample photo below .

Roland has 18km radar and 8 km missile....all your eleven Rooivalk helicopters will not survive 2 minutes with a our deadly Roland SAM....fool !

Roland radar range 18km vs Rooivalk zero radar and its 10km mokopa anti-tank missile. Roland sees the Rooivalk from 18km far away distance in an open and exposed sky, while the Rooivalk cannot see the Roland. Now that is imminent death for your unlucky helicopters.

Rooivalk cannot see Roland camoflagued in bush or city behind tall buildings unless Rooivalk moves to close visual range and identify the Roland like 5km then Roland miissile fires and roasts all your Rooivalk helicopters in 2 minutes.

even nigerian Type 90 computerized anti-aircraft guns with over 6km range will shoot down all south african Rooivalk helicopters with ease.


2. Umbani guided bomb of south africa has NO RADAR too dude !

Umbani too is only laser guided and needs an aircraft to help it illuminate the target on ground, so how does your Hawk jets find a Roland without getting close to it and being shot down like a mosquito facing Baygon insecticide

Hawk jet has NO RADAR to fire control support a 120km bomb, and the bomb does not even allow radar guidance, so how does it travel 120km to the exact target Roland that is hidden deep inside enemy territory of nigerian army ?

dont let the shiny paints on south african weapons fool you, they have very many limitations and weaknesses that you guys never research into.

so your laser cannot find Roland, your Paveway II and Umbani slow speed guided bombs are a waste when you face a powerful country like nigeria. go try your bombs on Burundi or Namibia


3. see mister comdey ,a CRAM (Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar) is for stopping very high speed ammunition like rockets, shells, and mortars that fly at about 3,000 km/hr high speed, NOT your snail speed slow Umbani guided bomb of speed 80 km/hr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Rocket,_Artillery,_and_Mortar

nigerian Type 90 anti-aircraft gun has muzzle velocity speed of fire about 4,000 km/hr and is designed to shoot down even cruise missile.

"The weapon was designed to engage high-speed, low-flying aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and cruise missiles."

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/antiaircraft/type90towed35mm.asp

ordinary nigerian anti-aircraft guns alone will shoot down all south african slow speed guided bombs, anytime, any day FACT !!!!

4. there is no number 4 in your comments....your leaking balls must be paining you seriously


5. where will your south african special forces be to be lighting up nigerian weapons with lasers, inside nigerian army base or what ?
okay then maybe i can say nigerian special forces too will be operating inside south african army base ? fool

6. the same death i explained for your Hawk jets, also awaits your Gripen jets, i wont waste readers time on this forum again with Roland vs Gripen simulation, your soldiers have agreed we will shoot down your nice looking jets and waste your money.

7. i answered that in number 3 above.

now that your two balls have been crushed by nigerians, how will you give your wife 'belle' ?

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weakness of South African Rooivalk helicopter gunship revealed[/size]
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over-rated DENEL Rooivalk helicopter gunship has NO RADAR ! it finds and attacks ground targets only by eye sight aided by optics

this proves that the south african made half-french helicopter is NOT the best in the world as claimed by the usually fraudulent south africans.

American Apache Long Bow with its Radar for attack and fire control remains the world's best combat helicopter.

"The Rooivalk is not equipped with a fire control radar,” says Van Rooyen, unlike the AH-64D Apache and the Tiger. the Rooivalk is only fitted with an electro-optical sight system which incorporates a FLIR and a TV sensor, targets are only found by aided sight."

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/the-rebirth-of-the-rooivalk-2011-05-20

this means that even with a long range air to ground missile, the Rooivalk pilot needs to physically find and confirm the target on ground before depending on the electro-optical aid for firing weapons. thus, finding target by sight forces the helicopter to fly close to the target and become exposed to enemy anti-aircraft defences. this is a major weakness of the over-rated Rooivalk helicopter gunship.

my next 1 or 2 posts after this will show how a nigerian anti-aircraft defences will easily tear south africa's 11 rooivalk helicopters into pieces

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andrewza: You have yet to show a weakness in any of your posts. Ever single one of your points get debuffed for the dribble it is

hahaha ....you missed this many last month november, another weakness of a south african over-rated weapon exposed


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[size=16pt]weakness of south african navy Type 209 submarines[/size]


south african navy Type 209 submarine has only a submerged range of 740km and nigeria is 5,000km away.

Range:

11000 Nautical miles (nmi) at 10 knots, surfaced,
(20,000 km at 20 km/h)


8,000 nmi at 10 knots, snorkeling,
(15,000 km at 20 km/h)


400 nmi at 4 knots, submerged
(740 km at 7 km/h)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine


this is the weakness of south african navy submarines i said i have seen and i will post, the naval blockade if attempted will be a total disaster leading to the wiping out of south africa's expensive but not so effective navy.


south africa will not be able to torpedo NNS ARADU, she will be safe in harbour because south african submarines CANNOT reach nigerian waters 5,000km away without surfacing or snorkeling and nigerian super spy satellites and the powerful ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft master of the ocean will see your submarines coming, then NNS ARADU withdraws into safe harbour sourrounded by anti-submarine and anti-frogmen nets and mines.

the submarines need to be exposed to surface in nigerian waters to give them range, and they will be sunk by NAF Alpha jets and L-39 Albatross jets, or even Mi-35 nd Mi-171 terminator helicopter gunships, as the submarine sails in that vulnerable mode.

south african navy submarines have NO capacity to remain in nigerian waters for more than one single day (and that is if they ever reach nigerian EEZ ocean territory alive without being sunk by NAF aircraft rockets) and mount a naval blockade without running out of diesel/fuel or being sunk from the air by jets or helicopters.

south african Type 209 submarins have a serious technical weakness, they CANNOT hide submerged underwater for more than 50 hours and must be at very slow snail speed of 7 km/hr in nigerian waters for their maximum time of those 50 hours, or else they run out of fuel/diesel, and become stranded and get sunk in nigerian waters.

they CANNOT mount a naval blockade 5,000 km away from home. FACT !!!!

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andrewza: They do not even care about you any more.

They never did care, if they cared, Nigeria will look like South Africa in development.

estimates say over $100 billion stolen nigerian oil money is hidden in British banks and the British know about it, keeping quiet. European thieves

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rka1: Some people think the country is too populous and are afraid of what influence Nigeria will exert once it has fulfilled it's potential.

Britain is number one in that league

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rka1: Nigeria is Africa's most populous nation and a lot of people are hoping for the downfall of the country and can't wait to post negative news all the time.

There are a lot of good things happening, but it doesn't sell papers, does it?

You can continue to ingratiate yourself on the news online, but it won't change the daily lives of Nigerians.

the whole world is quick to over blow negative issues about africa, especially nigeria that stands up for the weaker african nations.

says professor/diplomat Dr.Alaba Ogunsanwo...

"The fight against apartheid was one that Nigerians of all ages had united strongly against and participated in and succeeded in. So at that point, it was clear that some people did not like that and wanted something to use to denigrate the country. Each time they saw Nigeria, they say ‘419’, at a certain time, they were giving the impression that crime was increasing in South Africa because of Nigerians. But if you went to their prisons, more than 99 per cent of South Africans were in prison there. "

http://www.punchng.com/feature/life-times/nigeria-is-home-to-me-i-cant-be-part-of-brain-drain-prof-alaba-ogunsanwo/

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andrewza: We are corrupt, but not nearly has close has to the level of Nigeria. Murders yes, sectarian violence i far lower.

thanks for admitting that south africa too is corrupt and has more murder/killings.

does not matter who does more crime, both nations have criminals. leave it at that . fisile bee, je ko wa bee.

andrewza: Who cares, the fact that BH is still around is a fact you loosing the war.

Who cares, the fact that Rhino poachers are still around is a fact south african air force, army, and rangers are losing the war against poaching.

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andrewza: You never give a greater range than fact, it is all way under estimated.

The new 20km version is just a minor upgrade to a MK2 version. SAN has bought MK2s

You want to fire unguided rockets from above 10000m? You would struggle to hit the correct grid zone never mind a ship.

again all this was mesntioned before but you just say it can be done because you want it to be done. You are a fraud.

listen up dude, i dont care what irrelevant stories you tell here, this forum has grown past the stage of deceiving us with copy and paste photos of shiny coloured south african weapons.

your navy as at today has umkhonto missile with 15km range and 10km ceiling maximum on board your valour frigates. so shut up !

Alpha jet rockets fly at super high speed of about 3,000 km/hr against a very big Valour warship clearly visible and exposed on the open sea travelling like a slow tortoise at 52 km/hr......it takes only about 7 seconds for the Alpha jet rockets to be half way to the valour frigate.

only a south african pilot will not be able to use 3,000 km/hr speed rockets to endanger a 52 km/hr warship since your own Hawk jet pilots have never seen real battle action since the day they were born.

nigerian Alpha jet pilots have been attacking from air to ground over 20 years experience now.

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rka1: Where are the Usual suspects?

BLOODY FRIDAY: 25 killed in Boko Haram, military clash in Borno

VANGUARD

No fewer than 25 people suspected to be members of Boko Haram terrorists have been killed Friday in a clash with troops of the 7 Division, Nigerian Army at Ngauramari villages of Bama Local Government Area of Borno state.

Ngauramari is a small farming community along the Maiduguri- Bama – Firgi-Gwoza federal highway which had witnessed series of attacks and killing of over 20 motorists and passengers this week by suspected Book Haram sects.

Our Correspondent gathered that the incident took place at about 8am on Thursday when some terrorists group who were trying to cross the road from their camps/hideouts in the Sambisa Forest clashed with military troops which led to the exchange of gunfire, a situation that led to the death of three terrorists at the spot, subsequently, those who fled through the riverine areas were later killed by Ariel bombardment/airstrikes.

Sources said, during the encounter with the military troops, all roads leading to the area were closed for over three hours in order to avoid civilian casualties, particularly motorists and their passengers who were plying the road as at the time of the airstrikes.

Short URL: http://www.osundefender.org/?p=137383

[size=16pt]south africans wont see this one now o ! [/size]



the day one nigerian soldier is killed by boko haram, the SA mofos will post 20 comments on nairaland.

only in pretoria have i heard buffoons saying that the army that pursues the enemy running away and kills them in ratio 10:1, is losing the war.

anyway, south africa is a nation where schizophrenic madmen stand beside world presidents to work, so what do we expect from them ?

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andrewza: The alpha jet has no means to strike a valour from 13000m it can not even do so from 10000m. All so have you never though that maybe we lied and it has a longer range. Not to mention the umkhonto MK2 had it's range increased to 20km.


If you had in real under standing you would know these things.

DENEL did not lie, the Umkhonto range was marketed to the world buyers at 15km maximum range, a good marketer would probably have even claimed a longer range than the missile can really go. your own personal marketing skill is equal to zero if you underestimate the power of your product before the buyer.

Umkhonto new 20km range has only been tested and its ceiling only increased to 12km, south african navy has NOT purchased one single unit today, your Valour warships still carry missiles with 15km range and maximum ceiling remains 10km. FACT !!


Alpha jets at 13km directly on the head above your warship will fire 7km rockets and it will saturate your Umkhoto defences with terror and you risk of fire fall debris, F-7 jet is even more dangerous with 22km range missile. i wont repeat old posts already concluded...

go back and read again https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/806

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andrewza: You have yet to show a weakness in any of your posts. Ever single one of your points get debuffed for the dribble it is

for one full month on this forum i dribbled all you south african soldiers with a simple riddle you could not solve

nigerian Alpha jet flying at 13km above sea level and a south african navy Valour frigate with umkhonto anti-aircraft missile of 15km range cannot harm the Alpha jet, why ?

i got no answer from the whole of your country, because you are all so foolish you never knew the weakness of the Umkhonto missile is that it has a limited climb height/altitude/ceiling of 10km maximum above sea level.

all you guys do here is to post photos of your shiny painted south african wespons, you dont even know their technical weak points and limits

....dull brain pretoria mofos, nation of fake men and schizophrenic mad people shown on world Tv

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chris365: US Confirms Shekau’s Death
The United States of America has confirmed the death of the dreaded Boko Haram leader, Abubakar Shekau.
http://thenews-chronicle.com/us-confirms-shekaus-death/

Although i dont expect your brain to interpret this confirmation accurately. Afterall it runs in the south african system.

Hope you Don't see demons as you read this o

you didnt know @CraigB was trying to do ? he wants to divert forum attention away from his fellow madman in south africa....that fake interpreter that almost killed obama if his mad demonic spirit triggered while on stage.

this forum will be rocked by that story for a long time....

south african security allows madmen to stand beside 70 world leaders without detecting he was a mad man schizophrenic

it took the whole world to help the dull south afriacn security system to find out they had a lunatic standing beside obama !

DENEL should now be selling brain scan machines

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andrewza: O no not another one of your dribl posts only you and your moronic friends beilvie.

The rooivalk is armoured up to 23mm fire, has a low IR signuter and advance EW sytems so i await your report.

i have been one year on this forum, by now you should know that if i said i saw a weakness on a weapon after careful study...i really saw it.

so why dont you just shut up and wait for me to tear your over-rated rooivalk helicopter into pieces tonight ? fool

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major weakness of south african rooivalk helicopter gunship now exposed

.....reason why it is NOT the best in the world, and so easy to shoot it down by anti-aircarft

coming post for tonight [/size]

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CraigB: It also shows a display of weapons the banned Islamist group says it seized in the attack, including dozens of Kalashnikovs and rockets.

Boko Haram’s leader said in a video obtained by AFP on Thursday that the group was behind a daring raid on military installations in the north Nigerian city of Maiduguri earlier this month.

“Allah the Almighty has given us victory in the attack we launched inside Maiduguri (which was) called Borno in ancient times,” said Abubakar Shekau in a 40-minute clip.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/africa/2013/12/12/Boko-Haram-leader-claims-Dec-2-attack-in-new-video.html

shekau is dead dude, nigerian army sharp-shooters killed him

how is a dead man appearing from the grave on video to show weapons captured from nigerian army ?

why dont you post the said video for us to see as evidence ? fake lawyer

since you now communicate with dead poeple's ghosts, you become a necromancer

anyway, why wont you boast of a fake video and a fake shekau ? south africa boasts of fake sign language interpreters

fool

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zaandrew: SA was conducting a emgancy submarine dive exersize then a mechaincal faluer occuerd.

...and you said the man who complained about the quality of your submarines had zero knowledge...now you say the submarine had machanical failure and crashed to sea bottom

you dont even know how to your tell lies properly

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zaandrew: Will find the book. But in there it talks about it and how the nifrain armed forces lakes dirrecstion.

if south african admirals have direction, your navy sailors would not have driven your brand new submarine into the rocks and mud of the ocean floor, or is that the direction back to their naval base/sea port ?

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Mike..ZA:
SA Security is joke?. No bombs here but bombs exploding in Nigeria............ You're so scared of suicide bombers

...and you are scared of armed robbers in south africa. while bishop tutu was watching mandela's dead body at the stadium his house was being robbed, he could have been made to join mandela in the grave if the robbers met him at home

bullets are flying on the streets all over south africa

"In August, robbers broke into Tutu's Cape Town home while he and his wife Leah were sleeping. The two weren't harmed. In 2007, thieves broke into his home in Johannesburg's Soweto township and stole, among other things, his Nobel Prize medal. Police later recovered it.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/desmond-tutu-s-home-robbed-as-he-spoke-at-mandela-memorial-1.1585175

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zaandrew: Nigeria has not done a defense review.

you are nigeria's minister for defence or chief of defence staff ? you must be craaaaaaaazy

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zaandrew: I specficaly menstioned a real war in witch fighters where able to pentraite muiltpil ships, with better air deffence get close, drop bombs and then get out.

south africa does NOT have any jet fighter that can get close to NNS ARADU and fly home again alive in one piece

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zaandrew: does nigeria use the Maverick? No.
that like me saying the gripen is built to use swedish anti ship missiels. nothing stopeing use from buying them.

open your eyes well and read peoples post before you reply foolishly.

@Mike.ZA was claiming south africa will import anti-ship missiles for Gripen jet, so i said nigeria too can import Maverick missiles for Alpha jet to match south africa, or is it only your country that can import new weapons ? dummy

zaandrew: you do know what a bomb is, they have been used to sink ships for yearsM ardus defense sytems are no better if not worse than the RN in the 1980s and the arjies where able to use bombs on them

how does an aircraft carry bombs to go face NNS ARADU ? the pilots want to die young ?

zaandrew: You do know the sub that hit the bottom sufferd no majore damge and sailed 1000km back to siommons town before taking part in wargames a week latter.

jacob zuma's foolish navy sailors ran a $300 million submarine aground into the sea bottom hitting rocks and mud there, fools of pretoria

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zaandrew: You should get your money back since those are 20 waisted years. Your lake of genrail milltary knowldge is just amazing.
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at least i still know about real combat than you a navy cook/chef who says south african G6 artillery shoots to a fake 100km range ...fool

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