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Madawaki01: This man is here again.

Henry120: The F-7's are not good enough. That's not new. Nigeria requires an superiority fighter.

Henry120: Your onyx helicopter is developed from the super-puma which nigeria operates.

Mike..ZA:
That's stupi'd. Everybody knows the west designs or produce weapons that can defeat any of its eastern counterparts. Nigeria needs to replace that F7 by a real multi-role fighter. Most of the weapons Nigeria buys are not fitted for the African battlefield,your armed forces don't bother to modify them. They're designed for armies that have huge supply capabilities from trucks,transport aircraft(planes) and utility helicopters.

Mike..ZA:
I bet that radar is not as advanced as the one fitted on the Cheeter C. The F7 can't swing between air to ground and air to air mission. SAAF is the most advanced air force in sub-saharan Africa.

itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32385/

drag_on: A possible new radar for the f-7's ?

The Aviation Industry Corporation of China's (AVIC's) Wuxi-based Radar and Avionics Research Institute detailed two of the People's Liberation Army Air Force's (PLAAF) airborne radar sets at the recent World Radar Fair in Beijing.

First up is the Falcon S-7 radar, which is based on the Alenia Grifo S-7 radar and has been installed in different variants of the Chengdu F-7 fighter aircraft. AVIC stated that the latest model of this radar has a track-while-scan envelope with a 90 km look-up and 80 km in look-down range in the air-to-air mode. In the air-to-surface mode, it can acquire sea targets out to ranges of 150 km in ideal conditions, extending that to 240 km over land.

The Aviation Industry Corporation of China's (AVIC's) Wuxi-based Radar and Avionics Research Institute detailed two of the People's Liberation Army Air Force's (PLAAF) airborne radar sets at the recent World Radar Fair in Beijing.

http://www.janes.com/article/28907/plaaf-radar-details-emerge-from-the-dark

drag_on: And we really should consider sending those jaguars to the Indians(for repair and upgrades);

The first avionics-upgraded SEPECAT Jaguar strike aircraft for the Indian Air Force (IAF) made its maiden flight from the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) facility in Bangalore on 28 November, the company announced.

The enhanced aircraft is fitted with the Display Attack Ranging Inertial Navigation III (DARIN III) avionics suite, which includes a digital 'glass' cockpit comprised of two multifunction display screens and a new head-up display.

In a statement, HAL said that the DARIN III avionics architecture improves the aircraft's navigation, electronic warfare, and weapon delivery capabilities through the incorporation of a new state-of-the-art mission computer, engine and flight instrument system, a solid state digital video recording system, a solid state flight data recorder, additional functions in inertial global positioning system, autopilot, radar, and a radar warning receiver system.

http://www.janes.com/article/19739/upgraded-jaguar-for-india-makes-its-maiden-flight

We were the very last export nation
http://www.targetlock.org.uk/jaguar/service_nigeria.html

Henry120: Sea Platforms
Details of Nigerian naval shipbuilding plans revealed

Mrityunjoy Mazumdar, Alameda, California - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
23 October 2013

This computer-generated image of the P18N OPV was shown during the IQPC OPV Africa conference. The first vessel is being built in Wuhan, the second will be completed in Nigeria. Source: CSOC
The Nigerian Navy (NN) is moving ahead with plans to build naval vessels locally by collaborating with foreign partners. "The Nigerian Navy is extremely keen to have their own in-house shipbuilding capacity and has opened the floor to constructive partnerships in that regard," Dr Karen Sumser-Lupson, the chair and commissioner of the African Maritime Safety & Security Agency (AMSSA), told the inaugural IQPC OPV Africa conference, which was held in Lagos from 27-29 August 2013.

The drive to develop a shipbuilding capability stems partly from the Nigerian government's 'Vision 2020' self-reliance drive and also a desire to create an industrial base that is capable of maintaining the naval vessels, which typically suffer from poor operational availability.

"Localising building of naval vessels in Nigeria will make more naval ships available for patrol and protection of critical offshore infrastructure in Nigeria's maritime domain for the benefit of all," Rear Admiral Emanuel Ogbor, the NN's chief of policy and plans, told the conference.

Leveraging its experience gained from building the 31 m-long NNS Andoni (P 100), the first Seaward Defence Boat (SDB) to emerge from the Nigerian Naval Dockyard in Lagos, the NN is proceeding with the construction of a larger, 38 m SDB.

More importantly, the Nigerian Naval Shipyard (NNSY) in Port Harcourt (formerly the Witt & Busch shipyard) is being upgraded and modernised with Chinese assistance so that it can build offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) and carry out maintenance on vessels of up to 10,000 dwt.

China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Company (CSOC), which signed a contract with the NN in April 2012 to build two 95 m P18N OPVs, is upgrading the NNSY so that it will be able to complete the construction of the second vessel. Around 50-70% of the OPV will be carried out at Port Harcourt, suggesting that some construction and the majority of the outfitting will take place at the NNSY.

The OPV project is a major step up for the shipyard, which built a 90-passenger naval ferry, Sauka Lafiya (A 483), in 2009 and is currently building a 16.56 m, 92 ton naval tug.

Speaking at the IQPC OPV Africa Conference, Xu Ziqui of CSOC revealed the scope of the dockyard upgrade. A new jetty and "auxiliary facilities" capable of repairing 5,000 dwt vessels and offshore projects will be built in Phase 1. A new dry dock and auxiliary facilities to build and repair OPVs and 5,000 dwt ships will be constructed in Phase 2. Phase 3 calls for a fully modernised shipyard that is "able to build and repair OPVs, and up to 10,000 dwt sea-going vessels and offshore projects", said Xu.

Industry sources say the first OPV, which is being built at Wuchang shipyard in Wuhan, is expected to be delivered in mid-2014. The second will also arrive in Nigeria in 2014 and is expected to be completed later that year or in early 2015. Photographs posted on the NN's website in October showed that the chief of naval staff, Vice Admiral Dele Ezeoba, recently attended a "hull formation ceremony" for the first OPV in Wuhan.


Suncraft presented this concept for a 90 m OPV during the IQPC OPV Africa conference. (Suncraft)
Despite the growing Chinese influence in Nigeria, a number of non-Chinese companies are trying hard to sell OPVs and patrol vessel to the NN. Singapore-based Suncraft International is pushing two new 'low-cost' OPV designs: one for a 60 m vessel with a helicopter pad, the other for a 90 m vessel that has an integral hangar. To date, Suncraft has supplied more than a dozen 17 m Manta and two 38 m patrol craft to the NN.

In another development, IHS Jane's understands that the Nigerians rejected an offer of one or more second-hand Israeli warships, most likely ageing Saar-class missile vessels.

OCEA is set to deliver the first of two 31.8 m FPB 98 patrol craft, NNS Dorina (P 101), to Nigeria. The company delivered three 24 m FPB 72 patrol craft to the NN in 2012.

The NN is also interested in acquiring a second Hamilton-class cutter, USCGC Gallatin (WHEC 721), from the Unites States. The transfer is expected to go through in mid-April 2015.


The Nigerian Navy's Seaward Defence Boat NNS Andoni was built in Lagos. (Nigerian Navy)

The FPB 98 patrol boat NNS Dorina pictured at St Nazaire in France ahead of its delivery to Nigeria. (Bernard Prezelin)


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http://www.janes.com/article/28865/details-of-nigerian-naval-shipbuilding-plans-revealed

drag_on: it seems the Angolans are trying to flex their oil muscles down south. [b][/b]
They seem to have bagged those su30s russia has being trying to flog off.

http://www.janes.com/article/28466/angola-reportedly-lines-up-major-arms-deal-with-russia

AfroArab: I am not Mr, I am a woman, I am soldier of the Sudanese militia but I have the Egyptian blood. Is the Arab league that we are both included with the Egypt and the Sudan, all is Arab league land of brothers. Your Army of Nigeria is still in the Liberia for twenty years and never will go. You want to rule all over Africa now in the Sudan your Army send a new renforcements again one battalion this month we are now, so why? Your Army is ten years occupying my Arab land and you trick to stay for ever and is like the Americans Army is still in the Iraq land all of you do this invading of Arab lands and we dont want the black peoples or white peoples to rule Arab land okay. Go back home we have a peace in the Sudan.

souldust: @all i was watching Startacus and i saw where a Roman soldier was r..a..pe..d by another soldier superior to him in rank. My question is, dont you think that this will have an adverse effect on the morale of the soldiers if this still happens in 21st century military? Do the military punish culprits? How are they punished?

snydergp: I weep for you a illegal Igbo immigrant in the U.S who continuesly shows his ignorance. I've told you and your fellow fucktarts already about my rank in the SAAF I dont have time to stoop to your monkeys level of debating.


Like I said before your a foolish school boy who thinks his funny while he exposes himself as a amateur trying to create an impression of being knowledgeable.

You try to make simulations on your terms with some laughable tactics while being completely ignorant on the ability of what the opposing force. I guess this is youthful exuberance on the forefront coupled with fantasies.

rka1: 37 Boko Haram fighters killed in northern Nigeria: military

At least 37 Boko Haram fighters died in a coordinated air strike and ground raid by the Nigerian Army and Air Force on Monday, a military spokesperson said on Tuesday.

The troops in collaboration with Nigerian Air Force launched air and ground attack on the insurgents camp at Alagarno, eastern part of the northeast Borno State, killing at least 37 insurgents while many fled with wounds from gunshots, Captain Aliyu Danja, spokesman of the 7 Division of the Nigerian Army told reporters in Maiduguri, the state capital.

"Based on available intelligence, troops of the 7 Division of Nigerian Army launched an attack on Boko Haram camp located in Alagarno," Danja said. The operation which commenced on Monday involved a coordinated ground and air assault by troops of 7 Division in conjunction with 79 Composite Group Nigerian Air Force Maiduguri destroyed the terrorists camp. A total of 37 terrorists were killed in the fire fight while several others fled with gunshot wounds, Danja said.

He said the military recovered arms and ammunition while it destroyed three operational vehicles and many motor cycles belonging to the insurgents in the camp.

According to him, troops from the army division have commenced currently aggressive patrols around the area to trace and destroy other Boko Haram elements for their terrorism act.

The military raid came barely 48 hours after more than 20 persons were killed by suspected members of Boko Haram in Borno State.

Last Tuesday, the Nigerian military announced the killing of 40 Boko Haram fighters in Borno State in operations against the insurgents, who were alleged to attempt coordinated attacks in the three remote towns of Bama, Gwoza and Pulka.

The Boko Haram sect has proved the biggest security threat in the West African country since launching the insurgency in 2009. It seeks to enshrine the Islamic sharia law into the constitution and declares war against the Western education.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/819655.shtml#.UmgG2L5waFQ

souldust: @all no one has answered the questions i asked in previous pages. I just want to have answers to those questions.

NaijaPikinGidi: Nigeria in the Military mix.
http://www.africom.mil/Newsroom/Article/11233/us-army-africa-nigeria-exchange-intelligence

snydergp: Like I told you before im way more qualified then you or any of your naai-ja baffoon on commenting on even your own j-7(F-7) aka Mig 21 upgrade which is even below a hawk-120 trainer.

Your simulation lacked substance, to amateur and not even worth responding. I've been to war zones as recently as a week ago, something which not you or your fellow compatriots has never even seen nor has the slightest grasp of, so BOY please dont put me on your internet soldier level.

Just answer a simple question as in your claim of your f-7 that will fire rockets 13km above a warship, do you even know the difference between 38000 ft and 13km high or away without using a radar is beyond me.

I dont know how the hell can you put a Aermacchi and a albatross against a anti ballistic missile warship capable of detecting all 3 three of of your 2nd gen planes over a 100 km away just by detecting there huge IR signatures.

50 jets available hahaha you can have hundreds of jets who cares, because all of what you currently have is not even modern and is easy target practice.

you also do know that the pl-9 is a AAM and a surface to missile how the hell would you use it in a maritime situation is beyond me, only a naai-ja fool can come up with such fantasies.

Abuja killed what That state capital of you cant even cater for its own citizens

drag_on: i told you both forces (Nigeria and South Africa) don't use BVR, which is the ultimate sensor,and significant advantage of any 4th Gen fighter in a air to air confrontation.What is the significance of your long range radar if you have to enter the range of your opponents tracking radar to fire? When you both see each other it's up to the pilots. Do you not know the role tactics play in a fight? Weapons without tactics is Hollywood.

chris365: you know you can just pick up a gun and join the sharia fight since you are so fascinated by boko haram. cos all you are doing is making senseless noise. more will die and i will be happy to be given an opportunity to partake in sending them to their virgins. you and amnesty international can go suck on that. dummy head

it's good you just posted that their attacks is gradually moving to cameroonian border towns instead of the capital and lagos. am glad it's due to the uselessness of Nigerian military

Stup1d little spammer. how's red October doing? are you a member yet? i heard it's a white only upcoming terror group in response to the incessant murder of whites in SA. i hear EFF is now a registered party. hehehehe... i'll pray for your white piggy azz

oh i forgot. you are already on asylum for your their life Idiat

[size=16pt]Red October: The Plight of Whites in the New South Africa[/size]

“Immaterial of the statistics, we are not used to this mortality rate. We are not used to being raped at this rate. Most importantly we aren’t used to being raped by other cultures, tribes or ethnicity,” Hofmeyr added.

so how is your government dealing with your social issues as you once hypocritically advocated against Nigeria? don't let me face you again abeg. cos as usual you'll end up running to your cave again. F00L



like @naijapikingidi once said.... ticktock ticktock... the time bomb is ticking for SA's turn

rka1: F7's are flying again and pilots have been keeping up their hours on the L-39s and Alpha Jets.....

rka1: The F4 that was shot down by Syria was on a training flight that allegedly strayed into Syrian airspace. The Germans were using F4s as their front line fighters until this year. Haven't you seen reports of the difficulty modern NATO fighters have had engaging Romanian MIG 21 Lancers within visual range due to their speed and evasive manoeuvres? Continue to underestimate. It is good for us.

rka1: You don't even know the radar, defensive suite and avionics set-up of the F-7NI. It is classified and I remember an officer saying they were pleased with it. So bring on your Gripen and engage in visual range dog fights and get the shock of your life.

Henry120: Brilliant reply. I'd also like to add that, the nigerian F-7ni's are similar to the pakistani up-graded F-7PG. In as much as we do not like the F-7's, those jets are not in any way scraps oh. They good interceptors.



Another thing is, in terms of the overall size of the airforce, the nigerian airforce is larger than that of south africa. We have more air-crafts them.


Same in artillery and MBT's. We operate up-graded T-72', VICkers tanks, scorpion light tanks and T-55's. In overall size again, the south africans are under us.

drag_on: i told you both forces (Nigeria and South Africa) don't use BVR, which is the ultimate sensor,and significant advantage of any 4th Gen fighter in a air to air confrontation.What is the significance of your long range radar if you have to enter the range of your opponents tracking radar to fire? When you both see each other it's up to the pilots. Do you not know the role tactics play in a fight? Weapons without tactics is Hollywood.

drag_on: COMPARISM OF THE Saab JAS 39 Gripen and J7(as interceptors)


GRIPEN
General characteristics
Crew: 1 (2 for JAS 39D)
Payload: 5,300 kg (11,700 lb)
Length: 14.1 m (46 ft 3 in); two-seater: 14.8 m (48 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 8.4 m (27 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 30.0 m² (323 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,800 kg[229] (12,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 8,500 kg (18,700 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (31,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Volvo Aero RM12 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 54 kN (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,204 km/h, 1,372 mph) at high altitude
Combat radius: 800 km (500 mi, 432 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,200 km(2,000 mi)with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 15,240 m (50,000 ft)
Armament
Guns: 1 × 27 mm Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon with 120 rounds (only available on single-seat A/C model)
Hardpoints: 8 (three on each wing and two under fuselage) and provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets: 4× rocket pods 13.5 cm rockets
Missiles:
6× Rb.74 (AIM-9) or Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
4× Rb.99 (AIM-120) or MICA
4× Rb.71 (Skyflash) or Meteor


J-7
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 14.885 m (Overall) (48 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 8.32 m (27 ft 3½ in)
Height: 4.11 m (13 ft 5½ in)
Wing area: 24.88 m² (267.8 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,292 kg (11,667 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,540 kg (16,620 lb) (two PL-2 or PL-7 air-to-air missiles)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Liyang Wopen-13F afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 44.1 kN (9,921 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 64.7 kN (14,550 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 (2,200 km/h (1,189 knots, 1,375 mph)) IAS
Stall speed: 210 km/h (114 knots, 131 mph) IAS
Combat radius: 850 km (459 nmi, 528 mi)(air superiority, two AAMs and three drop tanks)
Ferry range: 2,200 km(1,187 nmi, 1,367 mi)--{drop tanks not indicated by source}
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft)
Rate of climb: 195 m/s (38,386 ft/min)
Armament
Guns: 2× 30 mm Type 30-1 cannon, 60 rounds per gun
Hardpoints: 5 in total - 4× under-wing, 1× centreline under-fuselage with a capacity of 2,000 kg maximum (up to 500 kg each)[37]
Rockets: 55 mm rocket pod (12 rounds), 90 mm rocket pod (7 rounds)
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles: PL-2, PL-5, PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550, AIM-9

note any fighter that can fire a AIM-9 can fire an Rb 98 (IRIS-T)

BOTH AIRFORCES CURRENTLY DONT HAVE BVR.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

wiki uses information for saab and Jane's All The World's Aircraft 2003–2004.

snydergp: My dear fool since when has those rocket pods been certified to fire PL-9 missiles. Those pods are simply to small for that.

Secondly you talk about flying the F7's 13km high in the sky hahaha wow!!! Thats truly amazing this would be a world record attempt by a NF F-7 which can hardly reach 38000ft, how nice damn the NAF are truly world beaters.

You talk about optically guided missiles as if when a launch is detected the ships would stand still in one place. Since your rockets would have no inertial guidance system to direct the rockets after launch how the hell would they hit a moving target "13km" away as you stated.

You are a daft amateur on a fantasy trip.

Boy you should think before you write it only exposes you as the amateur wanna be military expert fraud same as your other naai-geria dull heads.

rka1: Whether you like it or not, Biafra, Chad (Armourd corp under Buhari);

In 1983 Chadian soldiers invaded and took 19 islands in Lake Chad within Nigerian territory. The then Brigadier Buhari, who was the General Officer Commanding of the 3rd Armoured Division (which he did from November 1981 - December 1983) successfully carried out a blockade of Chad. After which all the territories were returned. The Nigerian Army under Buhari then pursued the Chadian Army as far as 50 km into Chadian territory. The 21st Armoured Brigade carried out the blockade and the fighting.

http://transparencyng.com/index.php/people2/116-politicians/3246-muhammadu-buhari-

Babangida oversaw the maturation and massive expansion of the Armored corps including huge foreign armament purchases, training opportunities and career development for upcoming junior officers and soldiers during the heydays of the late seventies and early eighties

During the civil war the range of armored fighting vehicles was expanded to include the Fox, Saladin and Saracen family.The Inspectorate of Recce (led by an “Inspector”) evolved after the civil war into four Recce regiments (1, 2, 3, and 4Reconnaissance Regiments, respectively).Then in 1976/77 it matured into the Armoured Corps (led by a “Commander”) at a time of significant expansion of its range of Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFV) to include French Panhard AML 60s and 90s [b] and light Tanks (like the British Scorpion CVRT) . Armored Brigades were created in Enugu (21st), Ilorin (22nd), Bauchi (23rd) and Epe (24th) in the place of regiments.These have long since been reorganized.

Just after the civil war, the School of Armour was located along old Ife Road in Ibadan but moved to ‘Tank terrain’ in Bauchi sometime in October 1979. Later on, medium Tanks (like the Soviet T-55)and heavy Tanks (like the Vickers “Eagle” Main Battle Tank) were acquired.

http://www.waado.org/nigerdelta/nigeria_facts/MilitaryRule/Omoigui/PalaceCoup-1985.htm

Plenty of stories and photos out there in regard to artillery fire in SL & Liberia not to talk of during the civil war.

NaijaPikinGidi: No be everything wey person go follow these idiots dey argue about. Several pages ago we dealt with dis same matter. Dem blockhead South Africans no dey tire at all?

saengine: You logged on, decided to type all of this about unguided rockets ?

Unguided aim and shoot rockets ? You are more delusional than I thought.

Let us assume your source is real (which we all know he's not ).....

zaandrew: You bragging about rocket pods?

drag_on: Those SOUTH AFRICAN RUST BUCKETS that ain't working?

"The 18 Agusta 109 pilots are reportedly not able to fly the minimum number of hours required to maintain their qualifications. "
http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/07/25/vips-flying-high-while-air-force-choppers-gather-dust


"The helicopters were occasionally enabled, but did not ascend, an anonymous source reportedly told the newspaper".
http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/money-woes-ground-saaf-choppers-report-1.1551696#.UmPDIDhQERA

For all intent and purposes,those helios have lost their wings.

http://lanceweyer..com/2013/08/zumas-copter-flights-clip-air-force.html

"This means that there are reportedly insufficient flying hours to actually fly the Agusta 109 helicopters."

http://www.african-defense.com/?p=2794

NaijaPikinGidi: Nigeria trains with NATO countries ... a recent exercise being African Winds. South Africa receives NATO training ... a current listing of training by the US to your SANDF is found here: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/213460.pdf

Now is self denial a disease prevalent in South African genes?

zaandrew: South africa has not received any training from a NATO country before. We train with NATO countries there is a diffrence.