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MTN refuses to leave Nigeria despite $5 billion fine, they are even paying more....heehehehe

The Nigerian Communications Commission has approved the renewal and consequent extension of the tenure of MTN’s operating spectrum in the 900MHz and 1800MHz frequency bands, and that of Airtel Nigeria Limited for the sum of $202.2m.

http://punchng.com/2015/11/3711

jln115:
Dude!!! the max sling load for an Oryx is 4500kg!!! There's no fvckimg way that it would be able to lift 6 tons on a sling!!
http://www.aviationdimension.com/articles.php?aid=142

If you still don't believe me go check out the sling loads of other similar helicopters.....NOT ONE comes near 6 tons mate!!!! EVEN an Mi17 can only carry 4,5 tons on a sling!!!!
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-17v-5-military-transport-helicopter/

Lastly the Cobra weighs 6+ tons mate and 5,2 Tons without weapon stations(Direct from the Manufacturer Leaflet):http://www.otokar.com/en-us/products/Pages/cobra.aspx http://www.military-today.com/apc/cobra.htm

Oh and lastly the MAMBA which is classified as a MRAP weighs only 5565kg .....and its also better protected than the Cobra.

1. Cobra weight is dependent on load, yes it's minimum weight is 4,800 kg so Oryx will carry it.

"Max Weight: 6,200 kilogram
Min Weight: 4,800 kilogram"

http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Cobra_a000678001.aspx

Weapons station type and weight is a matter of user choice, Browning heavy machine gun weighs only about 40 kg, add to Cobra you have 4,840 kg and even if you say it's 5,200 kg, add Browning gun and its 5,240 kg so Oryx will carry it.


2. Oryx carries 6,000 kg on external sling according to air force technology, I don't care what Mi-17 carries, it's not the topic of argument.

"Oryx was first launched in 1991 as a transport helicopter for the SAAF. It can accommodate a crew of three members, 20 fully equipped troops or six wounded personnel on stretchers with four attendants. Oryx can carry 6,000kg of cargo on the external sling."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atlas-oryx/

Mamba does not have Cobra's interior instrumentation technology, TV camera, night vision equipment, amphibious capability, etc. Mamba is just an MRAP like a city transport bus for carrying people and saving them from land mines. It's far inferior technology compared to the Cobra's hi-tech capabilities loaded in the interior
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Patchesagain:
1. Oryx sling load is 4,500kg - LIAR

2. Provide proof Russia sold the tanks.

This guy - spends all day calling people liars and then comes and tells us lies about our own equipment... what a joke!

You were first to claim South Africa sold T-72 to Algeria, you FAILED to post one single citation of the sales, you coloreds are even more fraudulent than Zulus, and even less intelligent, ZERO achievement by Cape Colony coloreds except fabricating lies daily.

jln115:
1. The Cobra weighs 6200kg not 4800kg
2. The Oryx has a max takeoff weight of 8000kg and an empty weight of 3600kg, 8000-3600=? so even if the Cobra did weigh 4800kg the Oryx would still be unable to lift it.
3. Yes we sold them those T72s just like we sold them the Super Hinds......P.S we said we sell tanks, never did we say we manufacture them!!

Lastly I DONT GIVE A FVCK ABOUT MTN........Im at Vodacom anyway!!!

There is NO SINGLE CITATION in your post, white boy with dull Zulu brain

1. Cobra weight is dependent on load, yes it's minimum weight is 4,800 kg so Oryx will carry it.

"Max Weight: 6,200 kilogram
Min Weight: 4,800 kilogram"

http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Cobra_a000678001.aspx

2. Oryx carries 6,000 kg on external sling you dummy !

"Oryx was first launched in 1991 as a transport helicopter for the SAAF. It can accommodate a crew of three members, 20 fully equipped troops or six wounded personnel on stretchers with four attendants. Oryx can carry 6,000kg of cargo on the external sling."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atlas-oryx/

3. Post a citation that says South Africa sold T-72 tanks to Algeria. You cannot sell T-72 to Algeria when the tanks were purchased from Russia, your youtube video says you upgraded them with fire control electronics, does that mean you own that tank and sold it? White people can be so fraudulent like you?

STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A WHITE FOOL

jln115:
- Can an Oryx carry a Cobra? NO!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AZKbO5UL7c

1. Oryx sling carries 6,000 kg. Cobra weight is 4,800 kg. Yes Oryx will carry a Cobra.

2. Your youtube video boldly say UPGRADE and shows T-72 tank that Algeria purchased from Russia, being many years later upgraded in South Africa. Did you sell the tank to Algeria? Is an upgrade of fire control system same as selling a tank to somebody?

Now you complain when MTN gets fined for deception and manipulation, but ALMOST EVERY South African is fraudulent, now you want to claim falsely that you sell T-72 tanks to Algeria, tanks that were sold by Russia.

Reason why your MTN got into trouble for trying to deceive the Nigerian telecom regulatory authority. Is honesty hated in South Africa?

Patchesagain:
CS/VP3 Unit cost: $500,000
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4741.htm

Reva cost is not listed, but the RG-33 which is simular costs $600,000-$1 million
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3551.html

Citations for RSA leasing bell and Gazelles please.

Yet again, you have been shown to have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

You are just a bag full of fraud and lies. Nobody will buy a REVA MRAP for $1 million you fraud !

CS/VP3 cost is $545,000 http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4741.html

REVA cost is $333,000 Source : SIPRI arms sales log, sales to Thailand 87 units cost only $29 m

Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


South Africa
L: Thailand 87 Mamba APC 2007 2008 (87) THB900 m ($29 m) deal; Reva-3 version

Chinese MRAPs cost us almost double the price of South African MRAPs, yet we bought almost 3 times more quantity from the Chinese....Nigeria does not need South African weapons, even though yours is cheaper, we can afford more expensive stuff.

You lose Patches # FVCKING WRECKED LIKE MTN
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Patchesagain:
How will you sink our Valour Class or Submarines?

How?

Rather than go back to repeat the same answer I have posted 30 repeatedly times in 3 years, I will just ignore you and keep writing my Christmas shopping list budgeted with MTN's free money .

Patchesagain:
1. LAV = Light Armored Vehical, they all comply with the definition in one way or another.

2. Reva is of the same class as the RG I compared it to. You said it was cheaper than the Chinese vehicle - prove it

3. Who says we dont own them and sell them? Buyer? Algeria

MRAPs are NOT LAVs, can Oryx helicopter carry an MRAP ? The heavy armor of MRAPS makes it's weight double an LAV weight. If you don't know how military equipment are categorized, just ask for free education. Nobody calls IFV and MRAP as LAVs in military circles, get it?

2. REVA MRAP official brochure on website.

3. Show citation to prove South Africa sold T-72 tanks to Algeria....I am waiting.....you see why MTN is paying $5 billion fine? Too much lies, fraud, deception, manipulation, dishonesty comes from you South Africans. Now show me source to prove you sold Tanks to Algeria
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Patchesagain:
LOL: THE FACT THAT YOU ALLWAYS ONLY TALK WITH NIGERIA DEFENDING AND SOUTH AFRICA ATTACKING CONFIRMS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE A COAST GUARD

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[size=13pt] Both Nigeria and South Africa have no capacity to attack each other, whoever sends out his navy will lose it's vessels in battle as they will be sunk [/size]
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Patchesagain:
1. What LAV does South Africa sell? Marauder, Matador, Marauder Patrol, Mbombe 4X4, Gila, Rg-32, Rg-34, R35 and a large number more

2. What tanks does South Africa sell? T-72 ATE variant

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CS/VP3 Unit cost: $500,000
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4741.htm

Reva cost is not listed, but the RG-33 which is simular costs $600,000-$1 million
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3551.html

Citations for RSA leasing bell and Gazelles please.

Yet again, you have been shown to have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

1. Fool, those are not LAVs, you listed MRAPs and IFVs you dummy ! South Africa has no single LAV so you don't know what LAV is.....example is Cobra or Igirigi

2. Quote price of REVA MRAP and stop comparing it with $1 million MRAPs, the REVA official website said it's built to be cheap and very affordable, you want to price it like a tank? Fool.

3. South Africa upgrades T-72 for countries who own them, you have NONE to sell, show me your tank exports and name the buyer.....I am waiting.

Patchesagain:
Aradu is not operational - so you dont have Otomat or Aspide missiles.

When she enters service... them come talk, until then - silence please and accept Coast Guard status.

And no, Aradu does not have more firepower, dont be a fool.

Aradu? Approximate firepower : 180 km anti-ship missile, 75 km BVR anti-aircraft missile, 25 km range anti-submarine torpedoes, 13 km range anti-aircraft guns, 30 km range anti-ship guns, 100 anti-missile decoys....only Egypt, Algeria, Morocco have warships that can dare to challenge NNS Aradu when she comes back from refit
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Patchesagain:
And our Navy is worth more than you navy... both in capability and in ability to wage war

bwahahahahaha

Every missile on your Frigate is neutralized by our stealth OPV anti-missile defenses, and your sunmarines cannot survive in Nigerian waters.....never mind our new navy FALCON EYE which you don't have an answer to
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Patchesagain:
1. We dont need South African Arms - pic related, jackass

2. Hurr durr Bell helicopters derp derp - we dont sell Bell or Gazelles or any other light helicopters, jackass

3. Born losers - RSA is top 20 arms exporter and Denel is top 100 Arms manufacturer in the world... where is Proforce?

FYI, we do sell tanks and LAV's, and you bought Chinese because you cant afford what we sell

If you want to say we did it out of fear - provide citations, no one gives a sh1t about your opinion

What tanks and LAV does South Africa sell ? Name them.

REVA MRAP was a deal done before the $9m saga, 48 units only....we bought 120 units of Chinese MRAPS.

We can't afford what you sell? The Chinese MRAP we bought is more expensive than your REVA MRAP, and we bought almost 3 times more quantity of the more expensive Chinese MRAP.

Their are South African companies leasing Bell helicopters and Gazelles that's why the $9 m deal included Bell helicopters
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Patchesagain:
Read the citation, you complied with our demands - all Nigerian arms purchases in South Africa must pass through Armscor and get Armscor approval

Stop wasting my time, if you wish to make a claim - provide a citation.

....and we refused to deak with ARMSCOR, we cancelled the deal and demanded our money back, you obeyed our demand and you are refunding the money....we rejected your ARMSCOR demand. We own you, go ask MTN
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Patchesagain:
No, that is a collection of obsolete vessels... none of which are capable of waging war... no operational warships!

And you dont have "hundreds of vessles", dont be a clown.

It is an indesputable fact that we have an actual navy

While all you have is a coast guard

Coast guards do not own Otomat and Aspide missiles plus torpedoes.

NNS Aradu is confirmed for refit and reactivation next year, posted that info here from NN HQ. You too refit your ships don't you?

Aradu is far superior in firepower to all your four frigates and has ASW capability, Aradu is coming back to operation 2016 confirmed.

iblawi:
Your three subs worth less than $800 million.
Your incomplete Frigate worth $300 million each = $1.2 billion

$0.8 billion + $ 1.2 billion = $2 billion.

Your navy is worth less than half the money we would collect from MTN.

Bwahahaaha

Patchesagain:
Where does it say we did it out of fear?

Weird that we agreed to give back your money after you complied to our demands

What demands?

Nigeria did not comply with any South African demand, we are actually the ones making demand.....return our $9 m.....Pretoria obeyed Abuja's demand.

You fear us, your government fears our giant status in Africa, we own you.

Patchesagain:
How is it fear?

We won jackass - everytime you want to do arms buisness in RSA you must now go through Armscor (ie: us)

You lost ! Nigeria is getting back the $9m.

Nigeria does not need South African arms, what do you have to sell that we cannot buy from Russia or China?

We bought more Chinese MRAP than South African, you don't sell tanks, you don't sell LAVs, we bypassed your grenade launchers to buy Chinese.

The Bell helicopters are American product wanted to lease from south Africa, but you foolishly sat on the money and Nigeria has bought Gazelles and Eurocopters from France.....you lost business, you are born losers. When you mess with Nigeria you always end up as losers......go ask MTN....

Meanwhile, we sucking Mama Soweto's milk loaded brëästs in Abuja till our stomach is full of free South African protein and glucose
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Patchesagain:
“Turning the screws on a multinational company right before they need to renew their license, sort of holding them to ransom with an incredible fine -- I’m not saying that’s what the motivation here is -- but its the kind of thing that will raise red flags for foreign operators,”

also, from a different analyst:

“These kinds of incidents will only add to the checklist of reasons for investors to stay away for the foreseeable future,” said Brickman.

Only the fraudulent and law breaking investors will stay away.....and we don't want them.

Have we penalized any other company like MTN ? Is Nissan complaining? Etisalat complaining? Only law breaker MTN is complaining !

We go suck ya dollarz, remember last year arms deal seizure? payback time, South Africa now on her knees begging Nigeria for mercy

Patchesagain:
Project Biro is in its final stage - choosing the toys to put on the new vessles

Not a coincidence that they are testing the new mine-survey drone at the same time

You have not chosen the ship, you want to chose it's drone helicopter, where will it land ? In the ocean ?

No wonder MTN management is dull headed.

Meanwhile, I am reaching for a glass of warm milk from Mama Soweto's captured b.ooobies, we now drink free from her n..ipples in Abuja

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iblawi:
$15 million for South Africa

$5 Billion for Nigeria.

Next time don't break our law.

Post of the week !

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FighterPilot:
Forbes noted that foreign investors have lost confidence on Africa's biggest economy. Could SA use that to their advantage?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peteguest/2015/10/30/does-mtns-5-2bn-fine-signal-a-more-inward-looking-nigeria/

Private opinion does not count. Foreign investors are now rushing INTO Nigeria for new business. They like our rule of law and enforcement.

http://businessdayonline.com/2015/10/50-french-coys-to-visit-nigeria-for-business-opportunities/
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FighterPilot:
Any country that harms FDI is set to lose big time.

An American detailing how you stand to lose big on FDI.

https://asokoinsight.com/news/nigeria-risks-fdi-with-unprecedented-5-billion-mtn-penalty/

If a Nigerian company in America breaks American law, will we not be punished? The American analyst is a fool, companies in America pay billions of dollars penalty, fine, compensation etc and go bankrupt after. The American government does not care, law is law.

South Africa in tears as Nigeria sucks $5 Billion worth of delicious free milk off Mama Soweto's penalized b.reas.ts

https://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/South-Africa-Fans.jpg

Nigeria has joined the rank of nations that enforce the rule of law, law is law, MTN can crash for Globacom to take their customers, we don't care a bit......meanwhile, we go chop your hard earned $5 Billion Soweto dollars for Christmas chicken and fried rice
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mzilakazi:
I forsee crisis with the number of FDI shrinking.

Nobody will pity a law breaker who is being punished for it's offence.

It will increase Nigeria's investment ranking as a law enforcing country where discipline is in place, and fraudulence not tolerated.

FighterPilot:
MTN is said that will close down their Nigerian business should NCC fail to heed to their demands with Airtel said will as well follow the suit.

Globacom will take over all MTN customers.....we have always dreamed of that day coming.

mzilakazi:
SA technologists and engineers have criticized Nigeria's trained half baked engineers for their slow technical action of deactivating sims and have suggested that instead they could have shut down all the users' sims and activate only the ones properly registered by taking their time.

MTN hopefully realises that instead they could have hired SA based engineers, but now that they wanted to create jobs in Nigeria they ended up with half-baked fake engineers. Nigerian trained engineers are truly a disaster to hire.

FighterPilot:
Bwahahaha… surely NCC knew the nature of the quality of engineers Nigeria have. They knew they have engineers who are not innovative and who could take ages to deactivate the unregisted Sims. They knew before hand that the money was already on their pockets due to the kind of training Nigerian engineers received. However, that action of Nigeria has already been criticized worldwide and could land them in hot water.

Liar, the other telecoms companies like Globacom which is 100% Nigerian owned, used Nigerian engineers to successfully comply with the law and meet the government deadline.

MTN managers from South Africa are actually the dullards who cannot manage a company well to meet deadlines and avoid breaking laws.

Meanwhile, MTN shares are crashing on Johannesburg stock exchange, see Nigeria shaking South African economy !

I am writing up my Christmas shopping list soon, Nigeria is eating $5 billion from South Africa's lean pocket

We go chop your dollars
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Patchesagain:
But the simple fact is that the Badger is 70% South African - be a man, deal with it, accept it and move on with your life.

The heart and soul of any vehicle is engine and chassis, so since Finland is making and exporting the Badger engine and chassis to you, how does South African local content add up to 70% when the entire engine and chassis is made in Finland?

Your 30 mm cannon and welded steel body makes 70% of an IFV ? Why don't you let us remove the Finland made engine and chassis and we will see how your propaganda 70% that remains will be able to move on the road like a vehicle....with no engine and chassis

Badger IFV is 70% product of FINLAND and will forever remain so

Patchesagain:
Why MTN didnt do it is irrelevant

The fact is that Nigerian repeated nigerian conduct towards large multi-nationals sets a precedent that is scaring away foreign investors and companies.

Hence why remain Africa's largest recipent of FDI - people know we can be trusted and that we conduct buisness in a cool and level headed manner.

More investors are rushing into Nigeria, you ignorant local man of Gauteng enclave.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/manufacturing/190957-50-french-companies-on-first-of-a-kind-business-trip-to-nigeria.html

As for South Africa, it's payback time, now you broke our law and we will milk you dry till Mama Soweto's titties have no more milk

Nigeria is sucking $5 billion cash out of South Africa's pocket in one day.....close to christmas time dude, we will eat your dollars
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Patchesagain:
No, you display poor business practices for all the world to see

Hence dissuading foreign nations from FDI or starting up their own firms in Nigeria.

You cut off your nose to spite your face

Nigeria is forcing South Africa to vomit free $5 billion from MTN bank account into our Abuja pockets for Christmas enjoyment.

We own you, we always will kick you around like this

Patchesagain:
There is a 70% difference between those two vehicles.

And we will be producing it

Patchesagain:
No, 70% of the vehical is "local content"

Not "locally produced" its "local content"

It's all propaganda.

Only 5 Badgers exist, all fully built by Finland and exported to South Africa.

The Badger engine and chassis will always be made by Finland since South Africa does not produce such heavy machinery.

The heart and soul of any vehicle is engine and chassis, so since Finland is making and exporting the Badger engine and chassis to you, how does South African local content add up to 70% when the entire engine and chassis is made in Finland?

Your 30 mm cannon and welded steel body makes 70% of an IFV ? Why don't you let us remove the Finland made engine and chassis and we will see how your propaganda 70% that remains will be able to move on the road like a vehicle....with no engine and chassis

Badger IFV is 70% product of FINLAND and will forever remain so
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Patchesagain:
Here is the first Rooivalk prototype... still more advanced than anything Nigeria has made!

Bwahahaaha

What an ugly workshop piece of metal.....looks worse than a world war II aircraft
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iblawi:
Brazilian company mectron produced it with Denel and they financed it together.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-34694/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/brazilian-air-force-commissions-factory-for-a-darter-380258/

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/south-africa-brazil-ready-for-a-darter-missile-test.12178/

The Southies have totally removed the name of Brazil from the A-Darter project, they want to claim 100% glory and rob Brazil.

mzilakazi:
NIGERIA HAS FINED MTN A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO FUND FOR THEIR WAR ON INSURGENCY. MTN IS BEING SACRIFICED AS A CASH COW TO FUND NIGERIAS ARMS PROGRAM. MTN MUST PACK THEIR BAGS AND GO OUT OF NIGERIA.

#MTNMUSTNEVERPAY

We own you, we rule you...

Nigerian Communications Commission has given a November 16 deadline for MTN Nigeria to pay a N1.04tn ($5.2bn) fine for failing to disconnect unregistered SIM cards. The penalty saw the company’s shares crash on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange and raised questions about the renewal of its licence in Nigeria next year if the fine goes unpaid.

http://punchng.com/2015/10/2298