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Patchesagain:
Citation needed that brazil gave us tech
No citation = trolling

You feel superior? No one cares how you FEEL fact is, we build better weapons than you.

Patchesagain:
Ours is better than yours

And maybe your ATR is a cheap entry level variant? Since it is as cheap as a helicopter!

Patchesagain:
SANDF is responsible for border security

Patchesagain:
Your weapons are trash

Patchesagain:
Your weapons are trash

That is all that is relevant

Patchesagain:
SANDF gets R15 billio (50% of 30billion)

SANDF is responsible for border security

Deal with it fagget

alcmene:
Nigeria has hired mercenaries to combat Boko Haram as military chiefs face a December deadline to crush the militants, according to senior military sources.

Turkish news agency, Anadolu Agency, reports that the mercenaries, estimated at around 250 personnel and hired from South Africa-based private contractor Specialized Tasks, Training, Equipment and Protection (STTEP), are being deployed along with fighter jets in Operation Fire Force, a source at Nigeria’s defense headquarters said on condition of anonymity.

“The mercenaries have been reengaged and their platforms are being deployed,” the source said. “By platforms, I mean fighter jets, helos [helicopters], coms [communication], surveillance, medics, etc.”

STTEP includes veterans from the South African apartheid era who will work with and train a Nigerian strike force, according to the source.

Another army source confirmed the development to Anadolu Agency. “There is definitely something happening in that direction,” the source said, again on condition of anonymity.

According to STTEP’s official website, the company’s trainers and advisers are drawn from “conventional, clandestine, and covert units of the pre-1994 South African Defense Force”.

It claims to have a proven track record of success in Africa, the Middle East, the Far East and Central and South America.

Describing the use of mercenaries to fight militants as “shameful” during the March 2015 election campaign, Nigeria’s President Muhammadu Buhari condemned the practice. Buhari, a retired general, said the practice represented the depth of weakness of the Nigerian army.

Asked why the Buhari administration is again deploying mercenaries, the defense HQ source said it appeared to be the most practical option if headway was to be made against militants whose guerilla tactics are new to the Nigerian military.

Nigeria claimed significant success against the militants in the run-up to the March election, with some analysts crediting the mercenaries.

Boko Haram threat

Boko Haram has emerged as a serious threat in Nigeria. More than 1,700 people have been killed since Buhari took office on May 29, according to an Oct. 7 report from the International Society for Civil Liberties and the Rule of Law. Since then, more than 100 have died in suicide bombings in Borno and Yobe states.

According to the army HQ source, the Buhari administration initially terminated the mercenary contract because it was “opaque and without accountability”. However, a new agreement was reached to boost the counterinsurgency operation.

“As it stands now, huge amounts of monies are owed to the contractors as fulfillment for the previous engagement,” the HQ source added. “So they are starting a new engagement for an initial period of three months. As for their outstanding balances, investigations are being carried out to ensure everything is above board.”

The Nigerian military did not respond to Anadolu Agency’s request for comment.

However, presidential spokesman Garba Shehu denied the government was engaging mercenaries again.

“It is true that the previous administration hired South African mercenaries to fight Boko Haram,” he said. “They, however, left with the government that brought them.”

“Since coming into office, this government did not have any engagement with mercenaries of any kind and there are no plans to do so.”

Siphiwe Dlamini, a spokesman for the South African National Defense Force (SANDF), said his country did not have any troops in Nigeria but could not say if private mercenaries were operating there.

“I wish to reiterate there are no SANDF personnel in Nigeria fighting Boko Haram,” he told Anadolu Agency. “If there are South Africans who are there as you allege they are not our members but private citizens.”

“I cannot comment on what private citizens are doing in any part of the world.”

STTEP did not respond to emailed requests for comment.

Earlier this year, South Africa’s Defense Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula issued a stern warning to South African mercenaries, saying they had no business in Nigeria and should be arrested on their return.

“Now that the matter has been brought to our attention, it is [up to us] to verify that information as the government,” she told broadcaster SABC at the time. “The police have a responsibility to make sure that when they come back these people are arrested.”

South African law forbids its citizens from participating in foreign wars. Most South African mercenaries are believed to be soldiers who fought for the apartheid regime.

Impending campaign

The Nigerian army has spoken about impending military deployments against Boko Haram, saying in a statement over the weekend that the country’s sovereignty was under threat.

“The next few days would be crucial to the operation Lafiya Dole [Peace by Force],” army chief Lt. Gen. Tukur Buratai said in a message to troops. “It is also crucial to our country Nigeria. Our sovereignty as a nation is threatened.”

“The Nigerian army and indeed the military as the symbol of our nationhood is being challenged. Our ability to stand and defeat the Boko Haram terrorists in the next few weeks will determine the future of our country.”

The use of mercenaries is not a new phenomenon in Nigeria’s conflicts. Hundreds of French mercenaries fought on the side of Biafran rebels against the Nigerian army in the late 1960s.

However, recall that President Muhammadu Buhari recently gave a December deadline to the military to end the insurgency ravaging the north-east.

But in a dramatic u-turn last Monday, Service Chiefs told the President that their effort to completely rout out Boko Haram insurgents in the insurgency-ravaged region, may not be feasible after all, as it was being threatened by weather and logistics.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/10/dec-deadline-again-nigeria-hires-mercenaries-to-battle-boko-haram/

DictatorZAR:
There are cheap of the shelf drone I can buy today from my local goods story that are better then your drones.

Tell me why did Nigeria go buy knock of CH3 drones if your local garage drones are that good. Why didn't you arm Gulma.

So the Umkhonto, Mokopa, Ingwe, Seeker I, II and 400 were also not high tech. So the Umkhonto naval SAM that is in service in both Swedish and Finnish Navies are not high tech either.

70% of the Badger IFV is indigenous SA tech including its weapons systems. Show me one IFV in Nigeria that has a made in Nigeria sign.

Denel just bought BAE land systems from BAE.

Denel produce the fuselage for the A400M and other components also. What does Nigeria produce that is currently used by French, UK or German airforces.

Come back when you are more mature and not ranting like a jealous ex biitch.

Pic one throws your argument straight to the dustbin.

Pic two is actual SA made Denel tech being exported to the world, even your own army has a few.


Black engineers my @Ass now run of you useless so called military analysts.

SPOPOVICH:
nigeria has the most useless military in the world.

https://www.nairaland.com/2683485/nigeria-hires-mercenaries-battle-boko

andrewza:
For SAR it carries some rather powerful radar, wepaons opstions and comuncastion sytems. It all so still better at ASW than any thing you have and a better MPA than your ATR42.

SPOPOVICH:
Nigeria has hired mercenaries to combat Boko Haram as military chiefs face a December deadline to crush the militants, according to senior military sources.
Turkish news agency, Anadolu Agency, reports that the mercenaries, estimated at around 250 personnel and hired from South Africa-based private contractor Specialized Tasks, Training, Equipment and Protection (STTEP), are being deployed along with fighter jets in Operation Fire Force, a source at Nigeria’s defense headquarters said on condition of anonymity.
“The mercenaries have been reengaged and their platforms are being deployed,” the source said. “By platforms, I mean fighter jets, helos [helicopters], coms [communication], surveillance, medics, etc.”
STTEP includes veterans from the South African apartheid era who will work with and train a Nigerian strike force, according to the source.
Another army source confirmed the development to Anadolu Agency. “There is definitely something happening in that direction,” the source said, again on condition of anonymity.
According to STTEP’s official website, the company’s trainers and advisers are drawn from “conventional, clandestine, and covert units of the pre-1994 South African Defense Force”.
It claims to have a proven track record of success in Africa, the Middle East, the Far East and Central and South America.
Describing the use of mercenaries to fight militants as “shameful” during the March 2015 election campaign, Nigeria’s President Muhammadu Buhari condemned the practice. Buhari, a retired general, said the practice represented the depth of weakness of the Nigerian army.
Asked why the Buhari administration is again deploying mercenaries, the defense HQ source said it appeared to be the most practical option if headway was to be made against militants whose guerilla tactics are new to the Nigerian military.
Nigeria claimed significant success against the militants in the run-up to the March election, with some analysts crediting the mercenaries.
Boko Haram threat
Boko Haram has emerged as a serious threat in Nigeria. More than 1,700 people have been killed since Buhari took office on May 29, according to an Oct. 7 report from the International Society for Civil Liberties and the Rule of Law. Since then, more than 100 have died in suicide bombings in Borno and Yobe states.
According to the army HQ source, the Buhari administration initially terminated the mercenary contract because it was “opaque and without accountability”. However, a new agreement was reached to boost the counterinsurgency operation.
“As it stands now, huge amounts of monies are owed to the contractors as fulfillment for the previous engagement,” the HQ source added. “So they are starting a new engagement for an initial period of three months. As for their outstanding balances, investigations are being carried out to ensure everything is above board.”
The Nigerian military did not respond to Anadolu Agency’s request for comment.
However, presidential spokesman Garba Shehu denied the government was engaging mercenaries again.
“It is true that the previous administration hired South African mercenaries to fight Boko Haram,” he said. “They, however, left with the government that brought them.”
“Since coming into office, this government did not have any engagement with mercenaries of any kind and there are no plans to do so.”
Siphiwe Dlamini, a spokesman for the South African National Defense Force (SANDF), said his country did not have any troops in Nigeria but could not say if private mercenaries were operating there.
“I wish to reiterate there are no SANDF personnel in Nigeria fighting Boko Haram,” he told Anadolu Agency. “If there are South Africans who are there as you allege they are not our members but private citizens.”
“I cannot comment on what private citizens are doing in any part of the world.”
STTEP did not respond to emailed requests for comment.
Earlier this year, South Africa’s Defense Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula issued a stern warning to South African mercenaries, saying they had no business in Nigeria and should be arrested on their return.
“Now that the matter has been brought to our attention, it is [up to us] to verify that information as the government,” she told broadcaster SABC at the time. “The police have a responsibility to make sure that when they come back these people are arrested.”
South African law forbids its citizens from participating in foreign wars. Most South African mercenaries are believed to be soldiers who fought for the apartheid regime.
Impending campaign
The Nigerian army has spoken about impending military deployments against Boko Haram, saying in a statement over the weekend that the country’s sovereignty was under threat.
“The next few days would be crucial to the operation Lafiya Dole [Peace by Force],” army chief Lt. Gen. Tukur Buratai said in a message to troops. “It is also crucial to our country Nigeria. Our sovereignty as a nation is threatened.”
“The Nigerian army and indeed the military as the symbol of our nationhood is being challenged. Our ability to stand and defeat the Boko Haram terrorists in the next few weeks will determine the future of our country.”
The use of mercenaries is not a new phenomenon in Nigeria’s conflicts. Hundreds of French mercenaries fought on the side of Biafran rebels against the Nigerian army in the late 1960s.
However, recall that President Muhammadu Buhari recently gave a December deadline to the military to end the insurgency ravaging the north-east.
But in a dramatic u-turn last Monday, Service Chiefs told the President that their effort to completely rout out Boko Haram insurgents in the insurgency-ravaged region, may not be feasible after all, as it was being threatened by weather and logistics.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/10/dec-deadline-again-nigeria-hires-mercenaries-to-battle-boko-haram/

DictatorZAR:
Whenever you loose a argument you resort to your racial antics.

You quickly forgot we blasted this very shiiiit you wrote now some months ago when it was proven that black engineers actually worked on the A-Datar system.

By the way black, white or coloured who cares when they all are SA citizens. You have to come up with a better argument you f@ckup f.ool still suffering from racial inferiority complex.

andrewza:
And yes we dont have the best ASW helcopter, nore have we. Its still better than yours and we actually have submarines unlike some countries.

Patchesagain:
Government spending on public order and safety and on defence will continue to increase, from R163 billion this year to R193 billion by 2017/18. Police services receive about 48 per cent of the total allocation

Budget provision for border safeguarding and regional security amounts to R2.8 billion and R4.5 billion, respectively, over the next three years.

http://www.sacommercialpropnews.co.za/south-africa-economy/7134-highlights-of-south-africa-budget-speech-2015.html

Unlike you I dont post bullsh1t

Patchesagain:
1. Yes, in peace time SANDF pays. But in war? Well, just look at Juliet Troop.

2. I dont have to, and yes, missiles are under constant manufacture.

3. Why would we? It falls under GBADS which is a fully funded project.

G6 was not ready for war, yet it was deployed in Angola. Raptor H2 was not ready for war, yet it was deployed in Angola.

The historical precedent is set - if Denel has it, and SANDF needs it then SANDF gets it

DictatorZAR:
You and your amateur garage inventions.

Nigeria produces 0% high tech weapons. I can create garage rockets better then that shiiiit you posted.

Patchesagain:
You call that collection of trash weapons?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Yes, please, factor in your model rockets and sh1tty robots

Patchesagain:
If Denel has it, and SANDF needs it... they get it.

Patchesagain:
Woops!!

Let me dig up the source

Yeah dude just check the mini-budget, they said Defence and Security would go up by R30billion and that 40% of that was going to SAPS

Patchesagain:
The reality is that our list is in the PROCESS of materializing

Yours are not, and never were.

Also, no South Africans on this forum have been acting like we actually have it - unlike you and your famous "Nigerian T80 will crush Olifant" argument

Patchesagain:
1. Moving as planned
2. Moving as planned
3. Cancelled - no one is talking anout it
4. Targos was never planned to enter service
5. And so? Denel has it - we have it
6. Moving as planned
7. Ordered
8. SANDF was never going to order ARHLAC

DictatorZAR:
Come back to us when your juju magic makes this wish list comes true.

1)Tucano
2)Su-24
3)Su-30MKI
4)Apache
5)Scorpion jets
6)J-17 Thunder
7)Akash

Patchesagain:
1. It does not say what... and its from 2012

2. G6 was not in service when it was deployed to battle.

3. Rich coming from the man who is constantly inventing new things for the Nigerian arsenal. If Denel has it, the SANDF has acess to it - this is fact

Patchesagain:
If Denel has it, and SANDF needs it... they get it.

No you may not, and furthermore, that article does not say anything about the Akash.

bidexiii:
I don't think the middle one is D30 howitzer, am talking about the middle picture not the first one?

Patchesagain:
Neither was the G6 in 1987.

Why dont you ask the Cubans about whether or not we deploy weapons that Denel is still developing?

Why not ask the UNITA commanders who had to abandon their HQ? Why not ask all the orphans Juliet troop made?

Patchesagain:
As usual, when his argument runs out... when augbug cant deal with the content of the topic under discussion... he resorts to throwing childish insults around.

My work here is done

Patchesagain:
By talking about things you dont have?

Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy, whatever you need to tell yourself...

Patchesagain:
lol

As usual augubugug has to start talking about weapons Nigeria does not have in order to try to compete with the SANDF

mzilakazi:
[size=13]Nigeria does not have a single oerlikon GDF-002 [/size].

Some stupid edited wikipedia to fool us into believing that Nigeria has GDF-002… Well now we know they have none .

http://www.liquisearch.com/oerlikon_35_mm_twin_cannon/operators

FighterPilot:
[size=13pt] Nigeria has only 16 GDF-002, ask sipri. [/size]

Patchesagain:
1. We use LPD20 from the early 1990's... NA Skyguard is from the 1960's. Ours is being updated to latest 2015 level, yours has been sitting in a shed.

2. Why dont you show proof?