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Patchesagain:
Your politicans wouldent dream of it? pic related! In the middle of a war, when your military is desperate for funding and new equipment... your politicians still found time to buy a new toy


The Department of Defence’s 2013/14 annual report noted that the SAAF flew a total of 18 454 hours, or 87.65% of the planned flying hours for the year ending March 31. Of the targeted 6 300 force employment hours that were planned, only 4 471 were actually flown as “the requirements of force employment were less than predicted.”
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=36879:feature-operationally-stretched-saaf-flying-fewer-hours&catid=35:Aerospace

18 000 hours, 4 471 for training alone.

Deal with it

How many combat sorties for SAAF ? .....ZERO

Should we add NAF training hours and military liaison hours across the whole country including outside the NE war zone, shall we add NAF daily patrol hours of Niger Delta oil region ? NAF combat sorties alone is 6,000 flights not hours, if ATR-42 does 10 hours flight and Alpha jet does 2 hours flight, those 6,000 sorties could be over 36,000 hours combat hours alone.

Add the training, daily liaison, and daily anti-piracy hours flown by NAF but not detailed to public.....
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iblawi:
Stop claiming what you are not.

Let me remind you of a old post on this same thread 2584.



For example, back in 2009, the South African Air Force stopped automatically releasing data on how many hours combat pilots flew for training. When the numbers were finally obtained, it was discovered that in 2008, fighter pilots were in the air for 325 hours (less than two hours a month per pilot). In contrast, pilots on VIP flights (carrying politicians and government officials) were up there 1,932 hours.



https://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp

You wrecked Patches, he will cry tonight o !
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FighterPilot:
Bwahahaha…

F7 jet cost just less $5 million a unit. It unit price ranges from $3-$5 dollar. Gripen cost $68 million a unit. You are a fool and that's why I specifically found you a website dedicated to fools like you


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/06/07/fighter-jet-worlds-top-10-best-sellers.aspx

Mumu air force wannabe pilot, NAF F-7NI jet is a 2010 version with western equipment and costs $15 million each.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/nigeria-spends-251m-for-chinese-f7-fighters-after-oil-deals-01269/

Patchesagain:
1. We use Skysheild standardized to latest generation GDF-006 AHEAD and GDF-007 AHEAD standard. Yes they are 100% better

2. Nigerian Bofors is an ancient WW2 weapon - developed in 1933

3. Nope, your man beeguggug says its GDF-02... is he wrong?

4. We know the numbers, you have only got 16 GDF-20

5. Yes, and we have more AAA guns than you (148 in total) and they are more advanced.

And lets be clear:

- Nigerian GDF 02 = OBSOLETE
- Bofors = OBSOLETE
- Shilka = OBSOLETE
- Type 90 = Copy of the GDF-02

Your air defence is a collection of obsolete systems with obsolete fire-systems! Pathetic rag tag army!

1. SANDF has NO single AHEAD ammunition today 2015. Your GDF-005 is a 30 year old 1985 weapon

2. Bofors is still manufactured today 2015, Sweden mounts Bofors 40 mm on their current 2015 CV90 IFV....you olodo

3. Show us source to prove Nigeria has 16 units of GDF 002

5. Our total number of guns is classified, nobody in public knows how many Bofors, GDF 002, and Type 90 that Nigeria has.

SANDF air defence system kills it's own soldiers, the enemy aircraft does not even need to attack, your own GDF 005 attacks and wipes out your own army gun operators.....modernized for suicide

"9am when a battery from 10 Anti-Aircraft Regiment in Kimberley began a live-fire exercise at the Army Combat Training Centre at Lohatlha as part of the SANDF's Exercise Seboka. By the time the gun had emptied its twin 250-round auto-loader magazines, nine soldiers were dead and 11 injured. It appears as though the gun, which is computerised, jammed before there was some sort of explosion and then it opened fire uncontrollably, killing and injuring the SANDF soldiers."

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838

SANDF has ZERO air defence capability

Patchesagain:
Lets compare shall we?

Roland SAM - obsolete 1970's missile system
Blowpipe SAM - obsolete 1970's missile system
SA-7 MANPAD - obsolete 1960's MANPAD system

Starstreak - most advanced MANPAD currently in operation, no known countermeasures.
Uhmkonto - latest generation of SAM missile systems

So, conclusion:

SANDF missile defence - state of the art
Nigerian missile defence - obsolete 1960's and 1970's junk


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Your argument is dead on arrival.

SANDF army does NOT have any Umhkonto missile in service today, it is under development you fraud.

Your only SAM in SANDF is a toy MANPAD starstreak with ONLY 1 km maximum ceiling, NAF will r.ape your army with ordinary Gazelle armed helicopters, your army will azz bleed to death

Nigerian SA-7 has max ceiling 4.5 km

Missile Name : SA-7 Grail 9M32M Strela
Max. Range : 5,500 meters
Max. Altitude 4,500 meters

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm

Your SANDF air defence is even worse than that of Tanzania
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FighterPilot:
Skyshield GDF-007 comes complete with AHEAD anti aircraft guided missiles with the range of 8km. That is exactly what SANDF will be having in 2017.

You have NOTHING like that today 2015. Case closed.

FighterPilot:
Seems our fake military analyst has gone wrong again. Bofors aircraft guns can only shoot up to the range of 4km, not fictitious 12 Km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/sweden_swedish_military_army_light_heavy_weapons/l/70_l70_l-70_bofors_40mm_automatic_anti-aircraft_gun_air_defence_system_technical_data_sheet.htBofors

Fake soldier, you need more lecture from a Nigerian military researcher who educated you about your own country's air force uniform, I am sure you have now been trained by me on how to differentiate SANDF army camo from that of SAAF, say thank you baas

Bofors fires effective 4km range without radar, you didn't know that, I have to teach you. Eyesight will not see aircraft beyond that range.

With the normal radar, Bofors shoots to over 12 km and Nigeria beats South Africa again with range.

"This gun was used throughout the war and was the main medium anti-aircraft gun. It could fire at a rate of 330 rounds a minute with a range of 41,000ft."

http://shropshirehistory.com/military/antiaircraft.htm

Nigerians have to educate you South Africans all the time. Dullards.

Patchesagain:
I just worked a 64 hour work week

In a slave labour farm?

Patchesagain:
1. lol I see you dont know much about Skygaurd

2. Your purchase of GDF-02 guns is well documented

1. NA Skyguard is a 1980 radar, SANDF Skyshield is a 1985 radar, both are old 1980-85 generation equipment.

2. Show proof of how many GDF 002 units Nigeria has , credible source not wikipedia that you South Africans edit daily to change data
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FighterPilot:
Nigerian military has war history against only rebels. They have never fought against another country which is equally or better equipped than them.


SA fought against German troops, Russia, Angola, and Cuba all of which were countries which had Navies, Air forces with modern fighter jets and Armies which were well equipped.

When did South Africa fight Germany alone or fight Russia at all? Your country would have been wiped out by Germany that defeated France, and Russia that USA is afraid to fight.

No wonder you have no citations for your tales by moonlight.

Anyway, Nigeria defeats rebels, but Seleka rebels defeated South Africa, so you prefer to get beaten up by people smaller than you
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bidexiii:
Someone pls I.D the 2nd artillery gun in picture?

D-30 top pic and middle pic, Bofors FH-77 bottom pic

Patchesagain:
Boko Haram of 4000 men with no tanks/heavy weapons/air support stole over 40 towns and cities from 20 000 of you


What then do you think will happen when you face the SANDF? We are better equipped, armed and trained.

SANDF trembles when they see Sudanese AK-47 boys in Toyota. SAAF has only 11 combat helicopters, NAF has about 40.

You say 4,000 Bokos held 40 towns....means 100 fighter per town. You manufacture numbers in your bedroom or you came to Nigeria to count Boko Haram fighters one by one....and they did not behead you?

Retärd
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Patchesagain:
cute

we flew 18 000 hours...

....of V.I.P transport
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DictatorZAR:
Are you the so called military analysts really gone come here and tell us about your outdated old 16 GDF-02 guns.

SA has the latest Skyshield upgrade including the Umkhonto SAM and Starstreak which is by far more modern then your nigerian army relics.

Please continue embarrassing yourself fraud.

As a military analyst, I confidently tell you that nobody in the public has details of Nigerian GDF whether 002 or 005 versions, their total numbers are also classified so nobody knows how many units we have.

Wanna bring up missiles? We are talking guns. No need to repeat Roland SAM, Blowpipe SAM, SA-7 SAM missiles of Nigeria. South African Starstreak is a joke and Umkhobto army version is still under development. Nothing in SANDF can match NA Rolands.

Patchesagain:
12-16 units of GDF-02

102 GDF-002 + 48 modified GDF-005 units.


Gee I wonder who wins

FYI, yours are ancient, ours are Skysheild. Get your facts straight

Nigerian systems details are not fully known, we bought Type 90 anti-aircraft guns circa year 2005, that's a modern weapon, so your Skyshield is NOT better.

Also, we have 40mm Bofors anti-aircraft with superior range more than 3 times that your GDF series.

Nigeria has Bofors with 12 km range, your South African GDF range is 4 km only



The series of Nigerian GDF is not known, they could be 005 series.

Nobody has numbers of Nigerian anti-aircraft guns, it's classified information.

We have more types of AAA guns than you, SANDF has only GDF, but Nigerian army has GDF, Bofors, Shilka, and Type 90.

FYI, SANDF GDF guns and Skyguard are a failure, your guns kïll yöur own SANDF soldiers instead of killing enemy aircraft.

You have a useless malfunctioning air defense system in SANDF, Nigerian Alpha jets will räpe your army to death
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Patchesagain:
Hahahahahaha

Bullsh1t

No record = does not exist

There are no records of Nigerian Skyguard but I showed you it exists. You Southies always said Nigerian army anti-aircraft guns have no radar guidance systems. Now we proved you wrong.

#WRECKED

DictatorZAR:
Ok let's get to it show me your GBADS since you comparing armies.

My pleasure....

Nigerian army Skyguard GBADS systems unknown to the general world until revealed by bidexii few months ago.

NA beats SANDF in air defence systems
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DictatorZAR:
You still haven't answered Patches question by giving us citation on your 6000 combat hours of your F-7's, while your air force chiefs tell the world your jets are all obsolete.

Quote where I ever said F-7 jets flew 6,000 combat hours.

I said NAF flew 6,000 combat sorties as an air force, all aircraft types.

Learn to read or get free eye glasses under ANC social welfare package for lazy black men

FighterPilot:
SANDF special forces were not send to stop coup d'etat from happening, you useless fake military researcher.

France were entrusted with keeping peace but you won't say anything about how they neglected their responsibility of abandoning their posts.

Let me remind you that we can never stoop to this level that you see under.

Let me remind you that Nigerian army has forced Boko Haram to stoop low to this level and we will do same to SANDF
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DictatorZAR:
What useless post is this shiiit here.

This is the very reason I always call you fake and childish.

Tell me where in this modern world has 250 men without air support defended a country or city against 3000 man 4500km away.

SAAF arrived with air support and landed Gripen jets, Rooivalk helicopters, etc in Congo airport withing striking range of Bangui to blow Seleka's head, but your army refused to reinforce and the troops hiding under French soldiers ampits demanded to be allowed to escape back home to sleep with their wives....SANDF chickened out of the new MoU mandate to protect propert and save lives in C.A.R.

Go read Nigerian military history of Liberian and Sierra Leonean wars.

DictatorZAR:
Your army is useless look at how the Americans will now get involved in a problem that your poorly trained soldiers created due to utter incompetence.

Your useless SANDF and Special forces allowed Seleka to take over C.A.R.

Your useless SANDF 21 battalion and SF allowed Rhino poachers to rule SADC.

Cameroon has always had a NATO power inside their country from before till after their independence, France has permanent military base in Cameroon. As a sovereign nation, Cameroon is free to invite America to join France. It's none of our business.

Last time Chad, Cameroon, Niger were making YouTube videos for BBC claiming they were saving Nigeria instead of blocking their borders to stop escaping Boko Haram fighters being pursued by a rampaging Blitzkrieg of the Nigerian black Napoleons, you were praising Chad and Cameroon, now Boko Haram has relocated to those countries, and I no longer see you praising them.

Your foolish praise brought them to the point of accepting American troops in their soil. Sure Cameroonian and Chadian armies enjoyed the January-April praises of rëtardëd ïmbëciles like you...now they are in trouble for their glory hunting during Nigeria's final offensive.

Law of Karma.

DictatorZAR:
NA has nothing over SANDF only dead platforms facts.

No GBADS

No army wide data link

Nigerian army has many weapons and equipment not known to 99.9% of the public, not even recorded on SIPRI or UN arms log.

Nigeria has GBADS and a data link system not fully explained for public information.

DictatorZAR:
We all know what comes after recon.

The point was its in your direct area of influence. SA's neighbour was approached to host a AFRICOM base and we SA and Angola point black refused and threatened Botswana with diplomatic and military action. What have you done nothing, both Niger Chad and Cameroon will now encircle you with foreign military powers.

SADC is the most peaceful and richest region of Africa today. You don't need AFRICOM base.

War /Refugee crisis /Insurgencies /Terrorism in Mali, Chad, Sudan, Libya,Tunisia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Congo DRC, etc makes AFRICOM a vital help for poor and weak countries.

If the Islamic rebels and terrorists of our Sahel/Maghreb/Sahara region shift base to SADC, you will have about 100,000 heavily armed insurgents scattering your region. That number is double the size of South African army, I wonder how a country like Namibia or Burundi will cope on the battlefields.

DictatorZAR:
Why do SANDF need one when there are air force squadrons who are dedicated with those tasks. As a so called analysts its things you should know.

NA has nothing over SANDF only dead platforms facts.

1) No dedicated AH helo platform

2) No multi role jet fighter

3) No JDAMS

4) No GBADS

5) No army wide data link

Need I go on. Your army is useless look at how the Americans will now get involved in a problem that your poorly trained soldiers created due to utter incompetence.

I am comparing Nigerian army and South African army, then you reply me by saying SANDF has jet fighters and attack helicopters , or maybe it's not only @Fighter Pilot that does not know the difference between army and air force, you South Africans seems to have a nationwide brain rëtärdation epidemic
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FighterPilot:
We all wear the same camo in all arms, Army, Navy, Air force and special forces. Yes, our Air force wear same uniform and work in the bush. Even though that were not Airforce on that picture of soldiers preparing vulture drone for a take off does not mean SAAF does not wear camo.

The seeker 1 of the now dedunct 10 squadron in Potch belonged to the Air force and were again put into use to patrol our borders.

SAAF wearing camo.

SAAF camo goes with blue caps and blue shoulder/collar epaulettes dummy! That army man in the bush has no blue chips. You do not even know SAAF Uniform.....fake officer !

Nevertheless, your fellow southies have ALL agreed with me that Vulture is army drone, you don't even know SAAF equipment, yet you claim to be an SAAF officer with BSc military science degree, you are getting lectures and education about your own office from a Nigerian that you like to call fake military researcher.....so who is the fake now ?
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FighterPilot:
Dont reduce the thread into some fiction. The unit price of gripen can without any doubt buy you 10 F7 jets.

F-7NI costs $15 million. Gripen C costs $40 million . Both prices dated back to NAF and SAAF purchase dates of contract.

How does 1 Gripen buy 10 F-7 ?

FighterPilot:
Does Nigerian army not have a drone? I can also equally say that. The drones were used by 10 squadron (SAAF, Potchefstroom) and are now used by the army. Who cares by the way who use them? For so long they belong to SANDF.

Bwahahahaha…

Nigerian army has Ichokwu mini glider drones, Aeryon mini quad copter drones, and army aviation wing with army owned Gazelle and Eurocpter armed scout helicopters .

Does SANDF have army aviation ? No !

NA is more advanced than SANDF in multiple role functionality
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DictatorZAR:
You claimed that SANDF had no drone. We now proved we have operational drones used by the Army

I said SAAF has no drones, Go read my comments, I said it's army drone not air force.

Thanks for proving that Vulture drone belongs to your army not air force, thanks for agreeing with me sir, thanks for calling @Fighter Pilot a foolish air force officer who thinks SAAF operates Vulture drones
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Patchesagain:
Citations needed for 6000 sorties

SAAF flew 18 000 hours last year

Citation for NAF flying 6,000 combat sorties has been repeteadly asked for by you and repeatedly posted here over 20 times in the past few months. Nobody will waste time repeating that for you, it's been over repeated. Stop messing up this forum by asking for repetitions of same thing over and over again.

SAAF has flown ZERO combat sorties this year, so when you attempt what NAF has done, we can measure your own accidents crash rates.

6,000 sorties of Northern region war not counting non-military flights in South, East, and West, NAF has only 3 accidental crashes.....one of the best records of safety in the world.

SAAF, please show us how you flew 6,000 combat sorties this year 2015
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FighterPilot:
http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/07/23/sandf-drones-patrol-borders

Same army drones....you dummy.

Your BSc military science degree certificate paper should be used by groundnut sellers to wrap and sell roasted groundnuts
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FighterPilot:
That's not army dummy, its air force or army it does not matter. We have them. We have been using drone before you were even born. You hardly have one year experience of using drones but your mouth is already big.


SAAF drones in Potchefstroom.


http://www.uasvision.com/2013/07/25/south-african-national-defence-force-uas-patrol-borders/

Jane's defense 2015 report says SAAF drone inventory has been closed down, you are posting old photos of retired dead drones.

That Vulture drone photo in the bush, does your air force wear that uniform and operate inside the bush to fly drones?

The drone is CONFIRMED as army drone....

"The Vulture UAV will serve as the airborne forward observer for the artillery arm of the South African Army"

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/sandf-to-receive-first-unmanned-air-vehicle-later-this-year-2004-03-26

SAAF has no drone.

You don't even know the difference between an army man and air force man IN YOUR OWN SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY where you claim to be an officer.

Now we all know you are fake !

FighterPilot:
Tell me what is this?

Army drone you ïmbëcile !

SAAF has NO drone, you fake air force officer !

DictatorZAR:
1 Gripen is worth 10 F-7's.

With your Gripen pilots not combat qualified? No.

1 F-7 is worth 10 SAAF Gripens