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DictatorZAR:
Your own navy can't even properly protect a small maritime area of only 822km against piracy yet you wanna compare to SA that has a 2800km maritime area.

Our Lynx is way more advance then anything in service anywhere in sub saharan navies and that's a fact.

Nigeria is an embarrassment to africa.

Nigeria saves Angola and protects Ghana down to your SADC region when they are attacked by pirates in deep ocean, they call our navy not South Africa.

Your SAAF Lynx is far far inferior to NAF ATR-42 mighty Surveyor.

Both cost the same basic price before any upgrade or extra hardware !

Super Lynx SAAF $ 40 million

ATR-42 Surveyor NAF $ 40 million

You see how foolish the whole nation of South Africa is? Britain ripped you off again with those over-priced Lynx patrol/rescue helicopters
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DictatorZAR:
What is your rust bucket A109's worth that has even less capabilities then the SAN Lynx 300

What makes Nigerian AW 109 a rust bucket ? They are brand new helicopters we purchased around year 2003.

Are you drunk?

patches689:
Are the Lynx basic rescue helicopters? NO

What are they, you clown, what are they ?
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patches689:
So the fact that it is a targetting platform for the Valour Class means nothing?

LOL

Ever heard the naval saying "whoever radiates first dies first"?

Think about what that means and think about how the Lynx fits into this

And I think the .50 ma'deuce counts as a weapon, dipshit

Nigeria has weaponized armed AW 109 helicopter.

SAAF has basic rescue Lynx.

Show us proof that your SAAF Lynx has all the hardware you listed apart from radar and FLIR.

There is NO machine gun on your Lynx, it is said to be an option weapon which you DO NOT have.

Show me a SAAF Lynx armed with .50 cal machine gun , show me now !
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patches689:
No, but the:
- Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation System
- Telephonics Ocean-Eye radar
- Sysdel Sea Raven Electronic Support Measures (ESM) suite (which is used for passive target detection and identification)
- Denel Optronics Argos 410-M Electro Optic Sight System (with a forward-looking infra-red (FLIR) sensor and a day camera passive target identification and recording.)
- Sysdel electronic warfare suite
- a Saab Grintek Avitronics EW countermeasures system
- infrared exhaust suppression system
- electro-optical sighting system (EOSS)
- Tellumat an Identification Friend or Foe system.

While Target tracks and video images can be transmitted to the parent ship in real time using the Datalink unit supplied by Thales Advanced Engineering

Add about 30 million to the price.

And citations:

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/aircraft/46/super-helicopter-300

http://www.agustawestland.com/product/helicopters/superlynx300

As you can see, the Lynx is hardly "just a SAR platform"

Show us proof that SAAF Lynx has all those hardware you listed, apart from radar and FLIR.

Your $ 40 million was purchased stripped of every lethal and high performance hardware, you were ripped off by your British masters again.

Your Lynx is not even armed with any weapon, it is a mere coast guard helicopter for patrol/rescue.

Finished !
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patches689:
Nigerian Navy

- The Nigerian Navy (NN) says it is unable to fulfil its constitutional obligation of defending and protecting the country's territorial waters

- NN Chief of Naval Staff Vice-Admiral Ibok Ekwe Ibas said most of vessels are down due to negligence on the part of the navy officers who use them.

- He said most of the operations designed to eradicate the oil bunkering syndicates operating in the country's waters were still achieving limited success b[b]ecause some navy officers and other security personnel were involved in the illegal activities.[/b]

- In 2012, the Nigerian Senate Committee on navy toured naval bases in the five states of the Niger Delta and found the equipment and infrastructure in a broken down state which made it impossible for the force to secure the country's territorial waters.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40477:fifty-per-cent-of-nigerian-navy-vessels-broken-down-says-naval-chief-of-staff&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

Nigerian Airforce

- Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft. The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant.

- There are six times as many general officers and flag officers in the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) and Nigerian Navy (NN) as there are operational ships and aircraft.

- As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities

- Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm


Nigerian Army

- Nigeria's military is underfunded and poorly equipped in its battle to check Boko Haram's rampaging insurgency, the country's outgoing chief of defence staff said on Thursday

- "I was head of a military that lacked the relevant equipment and motivation to fight an enemy that was invisible and embedded with the local populace," Badeh said.
http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-military-poorly-equipped-fight-boko-haram-military-234506887.html

- Stories of Nigerian soldiers running away from Boko Haram militants have been widely reported - but low on ammunition and allocated vehicles that don't work, a former soldier says they are being outgunned and overpowered.

- I have heard many reports of Boko Haram attacks where the soldiers ended up running away with the civilians.

- After the night-long battle his soldiers were low on ammunition but when they urgently called for more supplies each soldier was given just 10 rounds.

- There were other problems. He tells me about armoured vehicles that were in such poor mechanical condition they would just produce smoke and wouldn't move
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30930767

Lol, Henry120 points his finger at us but forgets that 4 fingers are pointing back at him!!

It's easy to demolish the garbage you wrote above.

1. Nigerian army has won the Boko Haram war and the enemy is in disarray and 99% dead, many now surrender to the mighty Naija army !

http://neurope.eu/article/scores-of-boko-haram-fighters-surrender/

2. Your NAF news is old 2009, we did not even have any F-7 jet in those days, we have purchased over 70 new aircraft from 2010-2015

3. The Nigerian navy chief also said the ships faults were very minor and easy to fix :

"The committee also found that several navy vessels - including NNS Damisa and NNS Victory - and light patrol boats were broken down with minor mechanical problems which could be easily fixed".

Nigerian navy has about 400 vessels and 50% down means 200 still active, 5 times more than the entire South African navy.

All your 3 points are demolished in 3 minutes
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patches689:
You dont have enough pilots

Hence the white boys flying your hinds

Show us the white face of the white boy....I DARE YOU
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DictatorZAR:
You sound more and more like @Augubugu

I just wanna settle this one first

First of all we currently operate 3 Oryx helos in the DRC.

Secondly we had 2 Oryx's and a A109 operating in Mozambique during flooding earlier this year doing rescue missions.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-37560/

Just this alone de bunks your foolish claims that we don't have pilots

3 in DRC + 2 in Mozambique= 5pilots and Oryx platforms

Nobody trusts you Southies any more, even your photos lie !

patches689:
According to the NSRI

NSRI =/= SAAF

Wait for the SAAF to respond.

You jumped too quickly when SAN was accused of shooting at fisherman and you were shown to be the fool that you are.

You are jumping to quickly again and your foolish ways will be demonstrated again.

Forget the fisherman and shooting case, we never heard a report from Germany to confirm South Africa's claims.

You guys have tell a lot of lies lies lies, you lied for 5 years on this forum that your Lynx are ASW and you were showing fake photo evidence.

Nobody trusts a South African.

BTWN, how many times have you people said wrong things like 2,000 people dies in Baga when Boko Haram attacked?

Does anything change the fact that your Lynx helicopters are basic rescue choppers? NO.

Stop fooling around. SAAF has only one or two Oryx helicopters to fly at one time
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patches689:
Facts are simple, we will never know what our Lynx has

Facts are simple, we all know what your Lynx has....

SAN Lynx basic search and rescue helicopters with ZERO weapons or anti-submarine warfare capabilities, South Africa foolishly paid $ 40 million for a basic rescue helicopter for pulling drowning men out of the ocean you fool
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patches689:
What fake Lynx helicopters?

The fake ASW South African Super Lynx helicopters that you claimed were CONSTANTLY embarked on the Valour frigates.

Same helicopters that you Southies showed us photos some weeks ago flying above your submarine in a current drill you call ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE TRAINING that no navy can do in Sub Saharan Africa.

Yet those Soweto Lynx are ordinary patrol/rescue harmless and powerless over-priced helicopters !!!!!!

They say photos don't lie, but not in South Africa where photos lie everyday !

Only God knows how many fake things are inside the SANDF, SAN, SAAF military photos you have been posting here to deceive the world since 2010 that this forum started.

If Naija guys did not burst your weak navy's burble few days ago, the fraud and deception would have continued all because you have many photos of South African military equipment all over the internet.

You people were deceiving everybody here last month claiming fraudulently that South African navy was conducting Anti-Submarine Warfare live training showing us many of those photos below, that your Super Lynx ASW helicopter was hunting after that submarine.....but it was all fake....fake....lies....fraud....deception !

When South Africa is involved, seeing is NOT believing o ! Photos do lie in South Africa !
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patches689:
This is an accusation levelled by the NSRI - an NGO

The SAAF has of yet not responded on the matter

Give it time, it is a developing story

Excuses excuses excuses all the time !!!!

Accept the fact :

""......Going back 10 years, SAAF 22 Squadron would be able to put six Oryx into the air while the squadron’s current
situation is such it has one, possibly two, of the rotary-winged workhorses available at any given time."

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40595&catid=74&Itemid=30"
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patches689:
are you illiterate?

patches689:
MOTHERFUCKKING

patches689:
YOU CLOWN

Congratulations on making a fo.ol of yourself.

LOL....@Patches spewing out tons of insults and anger after his Super Lynx fake ASW helicopters got shot down by his own bullets

#Butt Hurt
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patches689:
Provide cutations to prove this please.

Until proven otherwise - nigeria is unable to train its own pilots

Nigeria trains it's own air force pilots, South Africa is trained by tiny Cuba :

NATIONAL MIRROR NEWPAPERS
20/11/2011

The Nigerian Air Force 303 Flying Training School, Kano has trained over 127 basic pilots, conducted recurrence training for over 216 pilots and instructor pilots, as well as produced 16 instructor pilots for the air forces of Nigeria, Ghana and Zimbabwe, since its establishment in 1967.

This was disclosed by the Commander of the Kano Flying School, Air Commodore L.T Danbaki, at the graduation ceremony of Batch B of six Belarus Student Pilots. He revealed that the school was primarily tasked to conduct basic flying training on Jet Aircraft for graduates of flying and to conduct instructor pilots training. The unit also conducts conversion training for new instructors and pilot recurrence training for older ones, he added.

It was against this back-drop that they were sent to 303 Flying Training School in February 2010 and subsequently grouped into two batches for ease of instruction and this bold step returned huge dividends as student of the first batch graduated in December 2010 and are now fully operational in the field

Before passing through 303 Flying Training School, Nigerian pilots undergo ab initio training at 301 Flying Training School (FTS) at Kaduna. The unit flies Air Beetle and Dornier aircraft for ab initio and transport pilot training. Since inception, the unit has produced more than 600 student pilots for the NAF, Nigerian Navy and some other African countries.

For helicopter pilot training, students complete primary training at 301 FTS before moving to 305 FTS at Enugu. Before the establishment of 305 Flying Training School, helicopter pilots were sent overseas. In 1986 the NAF acquired Hughes 300C helicopters for 305 FTS, but they were withdrawn and replaced by Mi-34s.
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patches689:
READ

THE

MOTHERFUCKKING

ARTICLE

The USAF is STRUGGLING to keep enough pilots BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING POACHED BY PRIVATE AIRLINES with the result that they are now short 600 fighter pilots and are trying to figure out better ways of keeping Commercial pilots in their reserves.

I dont post citations for fun.

Read them, understand them, comment accordingly

Dude stop, adding your own fraudulent language to the news report !

USAF is NOT struggling to keep enough pilots, the source does NOT say that, it says they have vacancy for 520 pilots, every military force has vacancy at some times, NOT like SAAF that has 90% vacancy permanently killing the air force of Mandela with chronic pilots shortage.

USAF has 13,000 pilots , so stop comparing South African air force that is dead in the valley of dry bones

BTWN....this is an African military thread, so what is America's business here ? It's Nigeria Vs South Africa
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patches689:
Its a developing story

All we have is the allegations of the NSRI

SAAF trying to make use of SAA pilots is common practice amongst airforces around the world.

Americans are trying to do exactly the same thing

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/04/20/airlines-increase-pilot-hiring-threaten-af-retention/25941529/

While the SAAF has made extensive use of civilian pilots since its very inception
http://www.af.mil.za/reserves/reserves.htm

You are desperatly trying to create controversy where there is none

patches689:
1. No, I am not comparing the size of our airforce to theirs. Please learn how to read.
2. "Your pilots run to the civies once the get trained because there is no iota of patriotism" WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM THE AMERICANS ARE HAVING YOU CLOWN

In future:
- read my post
- understand my post
- reply accordingly

Congratulations on making a fo.ol of yourself.

Fraud, you are a fraud !!!

Stop lying, America is not doing the same foolish thing that SAAF is doing, it's actually the exact opposite in America.

Your own source says USAF military pilots are so many and so good technically, that commercial airlines want to employ them and offer higher salary.

"This is sort of low-hanging fruit," Harvey said. "We've got amazing individuals coming out of the military, that are ready and excited and passionate about starting a career, or continuing a career, that we can utilize and capitalize on their experience. We have to look at every pipeline available."

The commercial airlines hope to lure military pilots away by offering hefty salaries, extensive benefits and job security without having to deploy, a Rand Corp. study found."

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/04/20/airlines-increase-pilot-hiring-threaten-af-retention/25941529/

I am using your own source to prove you a fraud as usual.

South African air force is having current shortage of pilots today 2015 and are asking South African airways a commercial airline for help

SAAF is dead, I have always said it.....September 2015 news reports proves us to be right !
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[size=13pt]South Africans ...Bwhahahahaha

Desperate Southie people, when Naija people wreck their military with facts, they start posting random photos .

# Defeated SAAF has ZERO anti-submarine helicopters...Proved, Mandela's Super Lynx is NOT Super [/size]
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MikeCZAR:
The Valour class can carry light torpedoes.

Shuut Up and stop lying you fraud !

South African Valour frigates have NO SINGLE torpedo purchased for them. So eat the humble pie

Nigerian Navy is the only navy with ship and helicopter torpedoes in the whole sub-saharan Africa
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MikeCZAR:
No navy in Sub Saharan Africa has modern helicopter launched light torpedoes.

The SAAF Super Lynx helos come with stuff maritime surveillance radar, data link, FLIR etc they're the most advanced in Sub Saharan.

Nigeria has near zero anti-submarine capabilities. In a war the NN can easily be contained denied sea mobility and destroyed if needed.

Nigeria has helicopter launched AS244 light torpedoes, we purchased them from Italy and we have them. We are the only ones in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Nigeria has Lynx ASW helicopter and NNS Aradu frigate ship ASW as our reserve anti-submarine warfare platforms, we have them in reserve and can use them if a submarine threat arises, BTWN the NNS Aradu refit is about to start and she will return to sea from reserve to full operations.

Meanwhile, South Africa has ZERO anti-submarine warfare capabilities.

If you threaten us at sea, we can decide to use our reserve ASW platforms by bringing them out of reserve, or we put our ships safe in harbour, shielded by anti-submarine and anti-torpedo nets, then we wait for your Submarine to part-surface in 2 days to recharge it's battery for survival, then we send Alpha jets and CH-3 guided air lto surface missile armed drones to destroy your submarine.

Those Nigerian navy small boats you underrate are very very dangerous in littoral warfare to protect Nigerian territorial waters, Nigerian Shaldag Ocean Interceptor armed radar guided cannon gunboat speed runs twice faster than your torpedo and Shaldag almost does not stay on water, it almost skims and flies in the air and our X-38 automatic grenade launcher armed Stealth combat Catamarans are almost invisible to radar plus high speed and low noise near silent mini engine so hard for sonar to detect as they almost fly on sea surface, they are also equipped with echo sounders to detect underwater objects.

Nigeria can also deploy 50 armed Shaldags and Stealth Catamarans to sea, to deny your Submarine a chance to part-surface and snorkel, fear will not let your submarine snorkel, and lack of oxygen will kill Soweto sailors inside their unlucky submarine after 2 days, your maximum submarine time under water is a short and brief 2 days or else your Submarine battery will die and the submarine will perish with all the sailors inside it choked to death, and down to the sea bed sinks Mandela's Submarine, wasted $300 million sub in one day.

Meanwhile, Valour frigates will die from Nigerian coastal artillery or F-7 jets rockets and Alpa jets carpet bombing harassment.

See, it is technically impossible for South Africa to blockade Nigeria at sea, we are too powerful for that kind of game, get it ?
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MikeCZAR:
No one ever claimed that private contractor or mercenary was in the SANDF.


There are many like him in SA.

He held a rank of Lieutenant Colonel not Colonel in the SA military. Never dealt with strategic matters of the wars SA was involved in during the cold.

Cool, so Nigerian army 72 mobile strike force was trained in COIN by a civilian head of a private military company and NOT South African army, so you finally come to your senses after all the gibberish you wrote here since last year about Col. Eben and the 120 men of NA he trained.

Meanwhile South African air force is being trained by Cuban air force, not a private military company in Cuba, the real Cuban air force of tiny Cuban Island nation is training big fat South African nation's pilots on how to fly an aircraft.....reason.....simple reason is that Cuban teenage pilots defeated Soth African pilots in Angola Bush war and you have decided to go back to your masters on that tiny Island to finish learning your lessons there in Cuba
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iblawi:
I have every reason to believe you since they can't prove it.

Secondly, their Frigate carry no torpedoes which means they had no plan for ASW.

Thirdly, the only reason jln115 have to prove that lynx have sonar is because of the round object underneath their lynx.

Fourthly, everything equipment they buy is not of full capabilities.

Finally, you have to prove your Gripens have aerial refueling capability.

Gripen C/D normally is built to do aerial refuelling, but South Africa has NO air refueling tanker, their old tanker is displayed in a museum

Look brah, the Southies know their Super Lynx has NO sonar, NO torpedo, NO anti-submarine warfare capability, they don't have courage to challenge us with any fake proof, SIPRI and other global sources I have checked all say they imported ordinary, powerless, and harmless patrol/rescue unarmed version of the Super Lynx, it's as harmless as a Nigerian AW 109 naval helicopter for basic sea patrol.

@Patches annoyed me with the rubbish he was saying about Nigerian navy Lynx ASW helicopter, when sources clearly prove it is ASW, then he kept trying to rubbish other people's weapons, not knowing that those people can retaliate and show him the garbage in his own backyard.

The South Africans have been deceiving us and lying to us for 5 years on this forum, the whole of South African army, navy and air force have NO SINGLE ANTI-SUBMARINE capability on ship or aircraft or helicopter !

They have been fraudulently showing their Super Lynx to us as an Anti-Submarine Warfare helicopter....ALL NA BIG LIE DEM DEY TALK

SAAF + SAN + SANDF = ZERO ASW CAPABILITY

South African military Super Lynx = civilian Coast Guard helicopter ......the truth has finally blown out today....SAN is bursted !
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patches689:
Before the war, France sold Argentina's military junta five Exocet missiles
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17256975

Ships hit by exocets:

- HMS Sheffield
- Atlantic Conveyor (2 hits)
- HMS Glamorgan

4/5 Exocets hit their targets

This is 80%

See, you ask me for citations, I provide them.

Now, chaff decoys effectiveness please

There are NO percentages for missile effectiveness in your source ! You invented the figures at home

Show me official manufactuer's figures or technical data sheet figures.

Then your story is 1982 war 33 years ago, HP-J 14 is a modern day 2014 decoy, so how does it compare with your old school Exocet missile? They are not same generation. Your argument therefore goes to the garbage bin.

Show me manufacturer specs for effectiveness of your missile, or else you get another shame this morning
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patches689:
I have.

Last time we had this debate.

Nope you NEVER did. Show me source of your percentages or another disgrace for @Patches, second time in 5 minutes.

It's a bad weekend for you dude !

Your attempt to be fraudulent about Nigerian navy Lynx has ended up opening a new can of worms on this forum....

South African Super Lynx helicopters have ZERO sonar ZERO torpedoes ZERO Anti-Submarine Warfare !!!!!

South Africa spent $40 million to buy Super Lynx helicopter that is just ordinary patrol/rescue version = Nigeria's $10 million AW 109 helicopter

All Southies will hate you for this Patrick ! You exposed a big hole in your navy's sea capability, you wrecked your country !

[size=13pt]South African Super Lynx helicopters have ZERO sonar ZERO torpedoes ZERO ASW [/size]
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patches689:
So what?

Does Nigeria have submarines?

No?

Ok then.

# @Patches Surrenders In Shame ! South African Super Lynx have ZERO sonar and ZERO torpedoes !

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patches689:
Those are not my personal opinions.

Those are the actual effectiveness of the Exocet during the Falklands War - real world battlefield testing, as real as it gets. Its HARD FACT.

Those are not my personal opinions.

Post citation for your percentages then, show us a weblink source to prove it , I DARE YOU !!!!!!
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patches689:
You said your Lynx have sonar.

Citation please.

I am warning you to drop this argument, or else it will end up proving that the South African navy Super Lynx helicopters that all South Africans have so much boasted about on Nairaland since year 2010, actually have no Torpedoes !

Just like the Valour frigates that carry them ! SAN is buying things with no torpedoes ! SAAF has no record of sonar and torpedoes for your Super Lynx, SIPRI does NOT even rank your Super Lynx as ASW and that means they have NO Anti-Submarine Warfare capability !!!!

Mandela bought you ordinary patrol and rescue Super Lynx helicopters for 4 x $40 million = $160 million
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patches689:
We have allready shown you.

80% effectiveness in Falklands war.

And we have 17, 80% of 17 is 13 missiles. You need to show your decoys can defeat 13 missiles.

Also, how effective are your ZERO missiles?

Those percentages are from you, and are based on your personal bedroom opinion of 1982 old weapons.

Show me manufacturer specs to prove your claims, or is @Patches now a technical source of weapons data by himself ?
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patches689:
How is it better?

NNS Centenary has technological superiority over SAN frigates
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patches689:
So you dont know how effective they are?

Then how can you say they will defeat our missiles?

You have ONLY 13 missiles, and how effective are they according to manufacturer specs ?
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patches689:
1. We arent talking about South African Lynx
2. Nigeria has no submarines

Stop trying to change topics.

You said your Lynx have sonar.

Citation please.

We are talking about both Nigeria and South Africa on this forum.

We have proved Nigerian navy Lynx are ASW and armed with torpedoes.

Now it's time for you to prove that South African Super Lynx are ASW and have torpedoes plus sonar.

All photos and sources show ONLY radar and FLIR on South African Super Lynx, so game on :

1. SIPRI makes not mention of Sonar for South African Super Lynx

2. SIPRI makes no mention of Torpedoes for South African Super Lynx

3. SIPRI makes no mention of ASW for South African Super Lynx.

Citations please !!!!! Or else all South African super Lynx are basic maritime patrol/rescue and not ASW !!!!

# Chicken comes home to roost !
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patches689:
Define vessel

Your source clearly says Nigerian navy 1999-2009.

Your source is obsolete, it is 6 years behind time.

It was written before we got 4 frigate sized OPVs and 300 new gunboats.

So, desperate, you Southies are so defeated you post NAF and NN sources that date back to 2009

This is year 2015 you dullards, no wonder tiny Cuba is upgrading your Soweto dull brains
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patches689:
Why are you avoiding the question?

No one is talking about South African Lynx

We are talking about Nigerian Lynx

Now, citations please

We are talking about both Nigeria and South Africa on this forum.

We have proved Nigerian navy Lynx are ASW and armed with torpedoes.

Now it's time for you to prove that South African Super Lynx are ASW and have torpedoes plus sonar.

All photos and sources show ONLY radar and FLIR on South African Super Lynx, so game on :

1. SIPRI makes no mention of Sonar for South African Super Lynx

2. SIPRI makes no mention of Torpedoes for South African Super Lynx

3. SIPRI makes no mention of ASW for South African Super Lynx.

Citations please !!!!! Or else all South African super Lynx are ordinary maritime patrol/rescue and not ASW !!!!

# Chicken comes home to roost !
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