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jln115:
Wow!! one of the rarest posts one will see on NL!! Augustine being truthful!!

I even liked your post mate!!! well done!!!

You just making a noise about nothing, I have always said ATR-42 is not ASW and has no sonar, I have said that since 2012, so what's your mouse about?

It's you and patches who have been telling lies that Nigerian navy Lynx ASW helicopter is a civilian version, you keep telling lies about it despite many sources including SIPRI clearly saying it's Nigerian Lynx helicopters ASW version.

You Southies are the ones telling shameless lies here, and your foolish friend @Saengine will close eyes to that and be grumbling about that he posted sources and Augustine is still arguing.

Southie fraudsters !

iblawi:
Nigerian airforce looks good

....and fights good !

iblawi:
Nigeria ATR 42 maritime patrol(ASW).

ATR-42 is MPA not ASW. The bigger version ATR-72 is the ASW, nobody has it in Africa.

FighterPilot:
Nigerian Navy has only small boats with zero missiles. Such number even when they were 200, could be cleared in ten minutes by only two South African frigates.

South Africa has ONLY 13 anti-ship missiles, so how will you use it to sink 200 vessels? Dullard

Nigerian navy has NNS Aradu with missiles and she is going for refit this year in Lagos shipyard, officially confirmed.

Nigeria has NNS Centenary with anti-missile decoys so we can waste all your Soweto missiles and it becomes a gun battle, Nigeria has longer range ship guns and we will sink Mandela's navy in 10 minutes
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patches689:
1. A ship on water is a ship on water

2. why then are the lynx blades spinning?

3. I have provided photographic proof that this is untrue.

4. Why cant you show us one single photo of a Nigerian helicopter landing at sea? Just one single photo?

This argument you are making is pathetic.



South Africa: 4
Nigeria: 0

1. Nope, you know nothing about naval operations, a ship at harbour, docked at seaport and not moving, anchored and tied down to the land port facilities is NOT AT SEA, a helicopter landing on it is NOT LANDING AT SEA, it's landing at harbour, you dummy

2. The Lynx blades can spin for photo demo or static simulation, it's common, or just warming the engine.

3. You proved with photo that South African helicopters CANNOT land on a moving ship at sea.

4. I have posted 6 different photos of Nigerian navy helicopters landing at sea, we have 6 such helicopters. You still asking? Dullard.

South African air force can only land 1 helicopter at sea, Nigeria can do 6 times that number......and South African navy does NOT even have one single helicopter talk less of pilot.....obsolete navy with ZERO fleet air arm

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patches689:
1. Prove you have 400 vessels
2. 50% of Nigerian vessels are inoperable

FighterPilot:
Provide the source and I will gladly give you the source that guarantees over 50% of your 75 vessels down to ashes.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40477:fifty-per-cent-of-nigerian-navy-vessels-broken-down-says-naval-chief-of-staff&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

NIGERIAN NAVY HAS NO MORE THAN 75 VESSELS.

You are still asking me for sources? Your reply was to my post containing two sources. You are so shocked with the evidence that you cannot look at it twice or else you start crying bottle load of tears.

How many vessels does your tiny South African navy have?

"Between 2001 and 2008, the Nigerian Armed Forces entered into contractual agreements and/or taken delivery of the following:

FOUR Balsam-class 61m logistics ships
TWO stealth offshore patrol craft
A NUMBER British-made supply vessels
MANY DOZENS of Chinese, US and Singapore-built fast response boats, troop landing craft and gunboats in the 10-25m configs."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/navy-modernization.htm

Yes Nigerian navy fleet is by numbers, as large as those of Russia and America, and we have a superior IPV force better than any super power in the world today.

ANOTHER 30 NEW GUNBOATS THIS YEAR 2015 : http://www.african-defense.com/?p=1903

50% of Nigerian navy fleet is almost 200 vessels of ALL SIZES.

How many vessels does the entire South African navy have ?

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DictatorZAR:
1998 pics, one helo operated back then a single mercenary.

Those old helos are all non operational even the Aradu.

2012 to 2014 pics dude. Nigerian navy sea exercise Obaganme year 2014.

https://cimsec.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ADMalade-300x199.jpg

Nigeria received naval version AW 109 E-Power helicopter in 2012, and the ship NNS Thunder in 2011, so how did we take the photo in 1998 ?

Mumu

Nigerian navy has 6 helicopters and dozens of qualified pilots to land at sea, a feat that is too big for tiny South Africa to attempt as you have only one sea landing qualified pilot in your Southie 50 million population of dullards.

South African navy has ZERO aircraft
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DictatorZAR:
When did I say its a warship you fool don't shift goal post here. What I said is that Agulhas II has two Oryx helos stationed in hangers when they go on expeditions.

You are no researcher you've been caught here many times giving wrong info and not knowing the basics.

Case closed fraudster.

You said it's a navy ship, you named it as SAS Agulhas, but the true name is S.A. Agulhas.

SAS means South African navy owned ship, so you called it a navy ship....I corrected you, you were wrong.

Say thank you to the Nigerian military researcher or else.....

FighterPilot:
Only America, Russia and China can have vessels to that number and not poor Sub-saharan countries. Nigeria used to have only about 24 vessels until recently when they bought up to 30 small gun boats. You clearly only have no more than 75 vessels in your inventory majority which are not in operation.


Fact…facts…facts

South African navy has about 25 active vessels of all sizes, at 50% operational capacity, you have ONLY 12 vessels sailing.

Nigeria has 75 vessels and at 50% capacity we have about 35 sailing, that is still more than 3 times the entire South African navy.

Yes Nigeria has about 75 major vessels of sizes 24 metre to 140 metre, that is from Shaldag interceptor to NNS Thunder sizes.

All the 300 gunboats of 10 metre to 20 metre sizes purchased in 2008 by President Yar Adua for Niger Delta war are not counted in the number, e.g. the dozens of Stealth combat catamarans are not counted because they are just about 12 metre patrol boats.

"Between 2001 and 2008, the Nigerian Armed Forces entered into contractual agreements and/or taken delivery of the following:

FOUR Balsam-class 61m logistics ships
TWO stealth offshore patrol craft
British-made supply vessels
Many dozens of Chinese, US and Singapore-built fast response boats, troop landing craft and gunboats in the 10-25m configs."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/navy-modernization.htm

Yes Nigerian navy fleet is by numbers, as large as those of Russia and America, and we have a superior IPV force better than any super power in the world today.

Even now 2015 Nigerian navy just bought another 30 new gunboats brand new http://www.african-defense.com/?p=1903

50% of Nigerian navy fleet is almost 200 vessels of ALL SIZES.

South Africa will never achieve that in this century

DictatorZAR:
Jealousy is embedded in your flat poorly developed brain.

That very ship has hangers where the helos rest when they usually. How can those photos be 10years old when the ship was launched in 2012.
http://https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._A._Agulhas_II
That ship is also the only of its kind in africa and there's nothing in that class in Nigeria.

1)Are you implying that the NNS Thunder is a ice breaker now and that it can operate during winter in Antarctic.

2)Does Nigeria have any research base in Antarctica.

Your NNS Thunder is as dead as your Aradu even less modern less sophisticated than the Agulhas.

Every major nation on this earth has ice breakers and research ships but Nigeria is still living in the 1950's. What are you contributing to the world of climatic science.

Stop your jealousy and recordnize when someone is ahead of you period.

Oh just a ad on the SAS Agulhas II has a 28000km range far better then your hand me down second hand coast guard cutter.

Unfortunately, the ice breaker ship you are bragging about does NOT belong to South African navy, it is a civilian ship :

S. A. Agulhas II is a South African icebreaking polar supply and research ship owned by the Department of Environmental Affairs (DEA).

http://www.sanap.ac.za/sanap_agulhas2.html

It's not a warship or combat ship or navy ship dude !

Say thank you to the Nigerian military researcher for this free education.

Case Closed

patches689:
1. No, one is clearly a lynx the other is clearly an oryx
2. Again, no, the second picture shows a helicopter taking off from a The Drakensburg. As clear as day.

If you want more pictures consult Henry120's thread - they were taken last month during EX Young Lion

How many pilots does nigeria have who can take off and land on vessels?

South Africa: 4
Nigeria: 0
Conclusion: SAAF>NAAF

End of story

The Oryx is landing on a ship at harbour NOT at sea you liar ! Look at the first photo and the buildings/houses beside the ship.....or houses and buildings are in the middle of Atlantic ocean? Liar !

The Lynx boarded the the Valour frigate on land too at the harbour/sea port when the ship was anchored and not moving.

The 4 men dressed as pilots are qualified to wear pilots uniform, that does not qualify them to land at sea, they did that photo as Hollywood show, or else, how do 4 pilots fly a helicopter that uses only two pilots, they sat on top of each others head? Fool !

South Africa has only ONE pilot that can land at sea, so only one Lynx ASW helicopter can go to war !

Nigerian navy has 6 fleet air arm AW 109 SAR helicopters that have been seen landing at sea, no report says NN has only one pilot to land at sea, the report of such problem is that of South African air force.....your navy even has NO SINGLE HELICOPTER talk less of a pilot, Nigeria is 20 years ahead of SANDF and SAN, we have army aviation corps NA, and fleet air arm NN.

Nigerian army armed scout helicopters : Over a dozen Gazelles and Eurocopters

South African army : ZERO helicopters

Nigerian navy : over a dozen AW 109, AW 139, Bell Ranger

South African navy : ZERO helicopters

We are your masters in the air and landing at sea !
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FighterPilot:
Do you want me to repeat what your navy said about your navy?

You have zero frigate, zero submarine meaning you have no navy and with over 50% of your 75 vessels down, you practically have no navy at all.

We have about 400 vessels of all sizes in Nigerian navy, 50% down means about 200 vessels available to sail, no African country has that much.

Yes there is downtime for ships all over the world, South African SAS Drakensberg had been down dead in dry dock for almost 2 years and you guys have been posting photos of it in action to deceive us on this forum, you biggest warship was dead since 2013 and you were claiming here that it is patrolling Mozambique channel and Angola area, and that it will refuel your Valour frigates at sea in Gulf of Guinea, yet the SAS Drakensberg was dead in dry dock inoperable, and nice photos of it were being posted here every week saying "Great South African Navy".....while you complained that NNS Aradu was inactive, yet your biggest ship was dead until now they just refitted the Drakensberg and it has not even been cleared to return to sea after the refit.

See how you tell lies here and claim false capabilities? I am sure over 70% of South African navy vessels are still dead and inoperable, that includes your German navy donated second hand rust bucket minesweeper ships.

SAN is 70% dead, and only one single Super Lynx anti-submarine helicopter can fight war at sea, the rest have no sea going pilot
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DictatorZAR:
What also amazes me is the fact that our research flag ship which is the only of its kind in sub sahara africa the SAS Agulhas II Ice breaker has two Oryx helos as we speak and is currently on an research expedition.

I wonder who flies them in the arctic conditions including on Marion island.

Maybe ghosts took this pic in the arctic too.

There is no helicopter on that ship photo, and what date is the photo? 10 years ago?

Nigerian NNS Thunder travelled from Alaska ice region of the USA to Lagos, we can sail anywhere we wish to, Nigerian navy has the longest sea voyage range in the whole of Africa, no rival.

Why should Nigeria buy ice breaker ship when we live in the hot tropical climate with burning heat everywhere, you ever see ice near Nigeria ?

South Africa is one the last countries at the bottom of the world towards the south pole where there is ice on frozen waters, yes you need ice breaker ship.....or you see Egyptian and Algerian navy buying ice breaker ship, where is the ice?

Dummy.

patches689:
"only one pilot can land at sea"

Here are pictures of 4 (2 pilots, 2 co-pilots)

Fool, liar, fraudster !!!!

It's the same one helicopter, and it did not land at sea, look at the first photo you posted above, that Lynx helicopter is landing at the port/harbour when the Valour frigate is docked/anchored on the land without moving.

Second photo shows the same ship now sailing to sea with the Lynx helicopter that it carried from the land in stationery mode at the sea port !!!!

All South African Lynx anti-submarine helicopters are based on land where they spend 99% of their time because 50 million South Africans can only train ONE SINGLE PILOT in 10 years capable of landing at sea after 10 years of fruitless labor in training your irredeemable dull Zulu-Xhosa brains
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iblawi:
South African economy is now third in Africa 2015 estimate.
Egypt $324 billion dollars to South Africa $323 billion dollars.

Nigeria 21th in the world, Egypt is 34th in the world and South Africa 35th in the world.

The only hope for South Africa now is a return to total minority white rule or else Burundi will soon be challenging South Africa in many things
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Henry120:
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oplessness of a useless defence force

Beleaguered SAAF apparently reaching out to SAA for assistance
Written by defenceWeb, Monday, 07 September 2015
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The point has apparently been reached where the SA Air Force (SAAF) is aware it cannot fulfill its defence obligations and the airborne arm of the SANDF has turned to pilots flying for the national carrier, SAA, for assistance.
The Afrikaans Sunday paper Rapport said it has a copy of a memorandum sent to South African Airways (SAA) pilots last week. It asks them to help out as reserve pilots at a “few SAAF squadrons”. The paper points out the “emergency call” came in the same week the National Sea Rescue Institute (NSRI) informed Parliament it could not depend on the air force in the event of a major shipping disaster, such as the Oceanos sinking in 1991.
Dr Cleeve Robertson, NSRI chief executive, told Parliament’s Portfolio Committee on Transport 22 Squadron can “at best” put a pair of Oryx helicopters in the air to assist in sea rescue. He put it that the AFB Ysterplaat-based unit could “hardly” be called a squadron any longer.
The squadron apparently does not have any pilots currently qualified to land on vessels at sea. This has been put down to the non-availability of a platform for practice. The SA Navy supply vessel, SAS Drakensberg, is the preferred platform for this training but she has been out of commission for about 18 months undergoing a major refit and accompanying maintenance. She is now back in the water but has yet to be commissioned as fully seaworthy following the refit.
According to Rapport the memorandum issued by SAA Flight Operations is looking for pilots to increase “capacity” at certain squadrons. It goes on to state timescales will be finalised in the near future and, as soon as further information is available, this will be circulated.


No aircraft types are stipulated in the memo but there are any number of former SAAF members, who flew helicopters, light and medium transport, VIP aircraft and even jets now working at the national carrier. The paper spoke to serving SAAF officers who indicated that, in addition to aircrews for 21 Squadron, the VIP unit, aircrew was also urgently needed for the SAAF’s maritime capability.
“This,” the unidentified pilot said, “is fast reaching crisis proportions and maritime search and rescue can be said to be in the process of dying”.


Going back 10 years, 22 Squadron would be able to put six Oryx into the air while the squadron’s current situation is such it has one, possibly two, of the rotary-winged workhorses available at any given time.

LOL

This is epic !!!

South African air force has collapsed to the level of begging commercial airline to send them pilots.

Zulus/Xhosas Bantu mumus have wrecked all that their Boer white masters spent 300 apartheid years to labor and build.

No wonder they did not want to hand over power to Mandela, now we all see the reason, Zulu-Xhosa dull brains have ruined South Africa o !
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FighterPilot:
Tell him to throw away that old wooden AK47

It's not AK-47, it's Nigerian made OBJ-006 rifle. BTWN, AK-47 is still the most reliable and never failing assault rifle on this planet today. Nigeria has Beryl rifle and Travor rifle if we want to show off.

Nigerian infantry is the best kitted in Africa, every other country will soon start copying us as usual
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Best kitted Infantry in Africa...Naija ! We are setting new standards, other countries will soon start copy copy...
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patches689:
1. No, Nigeria is BEHIND South Africa because we allready have 2 operational reactors

Nope, South Africa has ONLY ONE nuclear power station at Koeberg, putting 2 reactors inside one plant does not make it special.

LOL....Your nuclear reactors are obsolete in your 1976 ancient nuclear power station.

Nigeria is overtaking you with our 2016 modern technology nuclear power station, we are coming from behind again like the GDP thing, we catch up and overtake, then we lead South Africa, you will follow us around like our tail
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FighterPilot:
Agaugust my friend, I am working with procurements. Should we have any project perhaps of replacing old tiles and ceiling or renovating our buildings and replacing old air-conditioners, we usually request service providers to sign for an agreement and declaration where they will then be captured on our database. If advertisements are made to tender, only those who have signed for an agreement and at that time on our database will be considered for shortlisting.

Naaaa ! You are now calling me your friend after I made you eat humble pie, why don't you scream as usual and call me fake military researchcer now?

South Africa ain't gat no fvcking new nuclear power plant contract, it's all speculation and paper proposal.

Nigeria is now ahead of you, construction starts 2016 in Kogi state location, our own contract is signed for a modern nuclear power plant.

We will build nuclear missile one day and control Africa like a toy.

frumentius:
Around the time of the Umbani/Al-Tariq demonstration, someone here claimed the SAAF Hawk can't carry air-to-air missiles and would be shot down before launching the glide bombs.

Note the date on this pic.

That is not an SAAF Hawk jet in year 2000, the SAAF received their first Hawk in 2006, and they can only carry A-Darter air to air missile which will enter service in 2016. So whoever made that claim you mentioned, is actually correct.

FighterPilot:
Every bidder has to sign that agreement even if they will ultimately not get the contract


For example, read this source.

http://mobi.iol.co.za/#!/article/russia-leads-race-to-build-sa-nuclear-plants-1.1871220

Your own sources proves you wrong.

All you have are different countries bidding for the nuclear project, Russia seems ahead of others, but all still on paper.

No decision on where to even locate the Southie nuclear plant, no decision on final costs and whowill pay the money.

A paper nuclear power plant is all South Africa has, just a piece of paper and debates among the writers

This is another Project Biro dreamland paper project in South Africa.....Keep on day dreaming
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patches689:
2. We allready have a reactor - you havent even caught up yet

You have a 1970s old school obsolete nuclear reactor due for decommissioning and demolition

Nigeria is building a brand new 2016 technology nuclear reactor, South Africa will be looking at us dazzled like football stadium spectators while we overtake you again like we did with GDP
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jln115:
Why do you think I posted 3 sources? Go read the fvcking other 2 and stop being so jealous!!

Olodo

All your 3 fvcking sources say the same fvking thing : South Africa is building nothing except on paper, who will pay the money is not yet known, construction site location is not even known....Nigeria is building new nuclear power plant to be located in Kogi state in next year 2016
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jln115:
Dude all my sources clearly state that they want the reactors fully operational by 2023!! Do you even know how long it takes to build a reactor?.....At the very least it takes 8 years to build 1 reactor! that's why they want to start construction at the end of the year!!

We are building 8 reactors....Get over your envy and move on with your life!!

Want is NOT = Reality, want is just emotional desire you wrote on paper like project Biro

Fvcking liar, read your own source that says nothing is happening on ground, Southies have no money... fool

It's just an ordinary paper memorandum of understanding NOT a contract you dundee domingo mumu

"Two memorandums were signed at the 7th Brics summit in Ufa, Russia, between the department and the Russian state nuclear corporation, Rosatom. There was a six-month deadline to award contracts, however, it was not yet clear who would pay for the country's biggest project. "

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-in-new-nuclear-deal-with-Russia-20150708

ZERO contract, ordinary paper MOU....project location is not even known, who will pay money for construction is not known

South Africa is building nothing except on paper, construction site location is not even known ....Nigeria is building new nuclear plant to be located in Kogi state in next year 2016
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FighterPilot:
It is only a stupidd and blind man that will not see similarities.

Only you a blind man cannot see the differences, nose camera, spine antenna, front wheel, body sensors, overall airframe size are all different.

Gulma is smaller in size you blind Southie fool with fake BSc Military Science.....your BSc is likely Agric Science
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Nigerian MOPOL police unit will defeat Ghana's army, we just give our police RPG.....Ghana has no battle tank, not even T-55 tank

jln115:
Sorry to disappoint you dum dum but its happening!!
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-in-new-nuclear-deal-with-Russia-20150708
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/nuclear-deal-090815.htm#.VenqyhgaJrQ
http://mg.co.za/article/2014-09-23-sa-russia-agree-to-50-billion-nuclear-deal

Fool, read your own source that says nothing is happening on ground, Southies have no money... fool

It's just an ordinary paper memorandum of understanding NOT a contract you fool

"Two memorandums were signed at the 7th Brics summit in Ufa, Russia, between the department and the Russian state nuclear corporation, Rosatom. There was a six-month deadline to award contracts, however, it was not yet clear who would pay for the country's biggest project. "

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-in-new-nuclear-deal-with-Russia-20150708

ZERO contract, ordinary paper MOU....project location is not even known, who will pay money for construction is not known

South Africa is building nothing except on paper, location is not even known....Nigeria is building new nuclear plant in Kogi state in 2016
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FighterPilot:
Aerostar-the drone that Nigeria stole from Israel and claim it as theirs after Israel duped them.



The second image is Nigeria's so called first indigenous drone stolen from Aerostar.

Citation needed to prove that the Gulma drone is the same Aeroster....post proof !

Gulma is made by our air force, Aeroster is owned by our Navy. Mumu
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FighterPilot:
South Africa wants to build more power stations than initially planned.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/stnews/2015/09/02/SA-may-increase-nuclear-power---report

South Africa has NOT signed any contract for any 8 nuclear power plants, Nigeria is starting construction of 4 nuclear power plants next year.

Ya gonna keep looking at us as we overtake you in all things from GDP to nuclear power !
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jln115:
Cute! we are building 8 reactors!

You are building NOTHING ! It's all speculation on paper like Project Biro.....Nigeria is starting construction next year while South Africa stands by and watches Naija become Africa's biggest nuclear power !

"In September 2014 Rosatom signed an agreement with South Africa’s energy minister to advance the prospect of building up to 9.6 GWe of nuclear capacity by 2030. The minister said: “This agreement opens up the door for South Africa to access Russian technologies, funding, infrastructure, and provides proper and solid platform for future extensive collaboration." It is expected to involve some $10 billion in local supply chain provision, with localisation of 60%. Necsa later said that the new agreement "initiates a preparatory phase for the procurement process for the new nuclear build in South Africa. Similar agreements will be signed with other vendor countries that have expressed an interest in assisting South Africa with the build program...No vendor country has been chosen yet and no technology has been decided. The agreement refers only to what Russia could provide if chosen."

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Country-Profiles/Countries-O-S/South-Africa/
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