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.[size=13pt] Brazil's Army Comes To Nigeria To Learn Jungle Warfare

Aftermath of Naija's victory over Boko Haram, the whole world has started flocking to Nigerian army for expert training ! No serious country goes to South African army
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South African army went to Brazil for jungle warfare training 2013/2014, but their master Brazil is coming to train under Nigerian army 2015, then SANDF will soon be in Abuja begging for Nigerian training 2016....watch out...

http://dailytrust.com.ng/news/news/nigeria-army-to-partner-brazil-on-jungle-warfare/108912.html
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patches689:
According to Aerospaceweb and RAF (Australian) Air Power Development Centre Bulletin Classification's its 4.5 gen

http://airpower.airforce.gov.au/publications/Details/475/170-Five-Generations-of-Jet-Fighter-Aircraft.aspx

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0182.shtml

Wiki summery of the two:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fighter_generations#cite_note-aerospace-7

SAAF Gripen is NOT 4.5 gen....it's got a 20 year old pulse doppler old school radar ! Your jet is basic 4 gen.
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patches689:
1. Botswanas army arrived late (after the fighting)
2. The initial invasion force was of 600 men
3. Not a weak hungry force - 2000 men of the LDF
4. No, it was 600 v 2000 thats a simple fact
5. Who said we asked them for help?

Tell me how was the operation in lesotho a failure?

What objectives did we fail to meet?

Dude dont come here and try to creat argumenents where there are none

We took complete controll of the army in 49 hours
We killed over 100 men for the loss of only 10
Political order was restored

The operation met all objectives

Nope, SANDF was defeated by Lesotho coup plotters as proved by sources posted yesterday.

Shame on South African army for it's endless losses in every war since Mandela took over
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mzilakazi:
DO YOU MEAN SAUDI ARABIA THAT BUYS FROM US?


MASMAK IS INFACT SOUTH AFRICAN MRAP.

Nope !

The MRAP is legally and officially a Saudi Arabian product, project was funded by Saudis, designed and manufactured in Saudi factories NOT South Africa. Yes, they partnered with Paramount group South Africa ONLY FOR CONSULTANCY ON SALES PROMOTION, but it is still a Saudi product and manufactured in Saudi Arabia ONLY.

"Unveiled during a 2011 arms show, the Al-Masmak (“Fortress” in Arabic) is the latest among the growing number of locally made wheeled armored vehicles in the Arabian Peninsula. The Al-Masmak is manufactured by the state-owned conglomerate Saudi Groups.

Although Saudi Arabia has been manufacturing personnel carriers since the 1990s, the Al-Masmak is its first genuine mine-resistant truck for the armed forces. But the Al-Masmak was soon being marketed abroad. In 2012, Saudi Groups partnered with Industrial and Automotive Design South Africa (IADSA), a vehicle consultancy, to promote the Al-Masmak –re-designated the Nyoka Mk2."

http://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2015/04/30/armored-cars-saudi-groups-al-masmak/

Saudi Arabia builds a better MRAP than South Africa.

patches689:
A failure?

We conquered their country in less than 48 hours, by just 600 men with no preparation - facing over 2000 LDF soldiers!

We inflicted over 100 casualties for the loss of less than 10 men. Political normalcy was restored and the Lesotho Highlands Project was protected.

Operation ran perfectly

Nooooo, not 600 vs 2,000.

Botswana's army was there to help you with 200 troops and SANDF had 700 troops, against a hungry weak rebel force of coup plotters in tiny Lesotho nation. So it's like about 1,000 vs 2,000 and SANDF had a lot of armoured vehicles/APCs for protection and advantage.

South African army was afraid to go alone that 1998 and asked Botswana for help (Same way they are helping you now 2015 against Rhino Poachers)

Hey, with all the help you got, SANDF still failed in Lesotho battle, you cannot even intervene inside a tiny country the size of Maryland city that is completely surrounded geographically by South Africa ........means if 20,000 Boko Haram spread all over South African cities, your national army will collapse in one week

#Born To Fail.....SANDF
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Thiza:
PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICA

Even ordinary Saudi Arabia produces better MRAP than South Africa now...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/saudi_arabia_army_wheeled_armoured_vehicles_uk/al-masmak_masmak_nyoka_mk2_mrap_apc_mine_resistant_armored_personnel_carrier_technical_data_sheet.html
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mzilakazi:
SOUTH AFRICAN SOLDIERS ARE ALMOST NOW USED TO GIVING TRAINING TO VARIOUS MILITARIES ACROSS AFRICA. DRC AS USUAL ASKS SOUTH AFRICA FOR A TRAINING.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40435&catid=74&Itemid=30

Many African countries train each other, Nigeria trains over a dozen African countries including South African forces, we trained you in COIN last year, it was posted here many times.

patches689:
Augustus left me on the floor?

He doesnt even know what i am talking about! He is so poorly informed that he does not even know of the 1998 invasion

Even the 1998 intervention in Lesotho was a coup detat crisis, not a war. It was a game of rifles, or did you deploy artillery, tanks, and jet fighters there ? NO 1

Haaaaa !!!! It was an SADC regional operation involving Bostwana's army and South African army, stop talking like your army went there alone, you needed help from Botswana's army and they there for you big time as your SANDF could not do it alone despite the fact that the whole of Lesotho is geographically surrounded by South African nation, Botswana still had to help you inside your own land

[size=13pt]South African army failure in Lesotho 1998 [/size]

"At 6h30 South African Time on Tuesday, 22 September 1998, 600 troops backed by AFV's and APC's crossed the border into Lesotho in an armed intervention designed to quell the unrest in Maseru and the purported mutiny of junior officers in the Lesotho army.

They achieved the exact opposite. Moving in against fierce resistance, with poor information from their intelligence apparatus, they failed to secure their objectives timeously, and stood by while the Basotho basically looted and burnt down their own capital. The major causes of this failure were due to a lack of intelligence as to the situation on the ground, and the fact that they were understrength militarily for an operation of this nature.

I suspect that most of the South African casualties occurred in the first few hours as the South Africans waltzed in like some sort of colonial expedition, expecting the natives to see our "maxim guns" and run away. Wars don't happen like that. Something the South African general staff only realised to its dismay when it was too late. Not only was order not restored, but the South African army and the Botswana army stood by and watched Maseru go up in flames. I think it would be accurate to say that they failed to achieve all their objectives in this "splendid little war".

http://www.ecn.org/communitas/en/en121.html

#Failure Magnets....SANDF....Zero Victory In All War History
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DictatorZAR:
You are truly pathetic and a foolish liar who come and claim here.

The only fraudster here is you on this thread who change stories and don't even know shiiiit.

Do you "Mr Military Analyst My Foot" even know that he was referring to the 1998 invasion of Lesotho when Buthelezi ordered an armed incursion to Lesotho to support former lesotho Prime Minister Mosisili.

Get your facts right.

Blah blah bubble gibber gibberish all you want !

Fact remains :

"Meanwhile, the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) refuted claims that it was involved in foiling the alleged attempted coup. Spokesperson Siphiwe Dlamini said that as “far as [he] was aware” there had been “none whatsoever”.

http://mg.co.za/article/2014-09-01-lesotho-unrest-sadc-leaders-meet-sandf-dismiss-reports

Your amateurish army of 'unemployed soweto half illiterate blacks rookies' has ZERO experience of modern war
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iblawi:
https://www.change.org/p/president-zuma-of-south-africa-please-send-more-military-into-national-parks-to-protect-wildlife-from-poachers

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/africa/2013-03/31/c_132274604.htm

SANDF is deeply involved in fighting Rhino war
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FighterPilot:
Rhino poaching is not a national threat and has had positive response since SANDF was involved yet to a lesser extent. Sorry, I just only had to correct you.


Just read how the CEO of National Parks calls SANDF just a PARTNER.



Fundisile Mketeni, CEO of SANParks has congratulated the rangers on the recent arrests.

“SANParks, on behalf of all South Africans, wishes to thank our rangers and our PARTNERS in the SAPS and SANDF for their dedication to this fight,” said Mketeni.

[size=13pt]Thanks for finally admitting that SANDF is truly involved in the fight against Rhino poachers.

#Suicide Comment
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shizzy7:
But Chad's president Knows Shekau's successor.. We still have to kill that one too

Not sure if he is still alive, nobody knows. If he is alive, he is hiding and trembling somewhere running away from the same Nigerian army he was boasting against in his old youtube videos....this coward jihadist does not want to die

patches689:
Look Iblawi, you seem like a reasonable guy. So lets be reasonable and discuss this like adults.

First, Rhino Poaching has nothing to do with the SANDF, as I have shown over and over and over again.

Second, lets talk about the successes the SANDF has had, and I mean post democracy SANDF, I wont even mention our battle honors from WW1, WW2, Korea or Angola/SWA

- Invasion of Lesotho.
-- Invaded with only 800 men
-- Captured the entire country in less than 48 hours
-- Completely overwhelmed the 2000 man LDF despite being outnumbered 2.5:1
-- Inflicted over 100 casualties for the loss of only 10 men

- FIB deployment to the DRC
-- Country that initiated the formation of the FIB
-- Biggest contributor, with over 1500 men, well over a dozen armored vehicles, 2 (or more) Oryx, 2 Rooivalk
-- Achieved stunning successes for the loss of ZERO men
-- Achieved one the longest sniper kills in military history
-- Acknowledged as the driving force behind the destruction of the M23

- Training mission to DRC
-- Traned 1 Brigade of DRC troops
-- Said brigade is now considered their best brigade
-- Requested by the DRC Govt to return to train another brigade

- Fighting in CAR
-- 200 men, with no heavy weapons (a couple 60mm mortars and a couple of .50's), no air support, no armor
-- stopped upwards of 1000 (arguably close to 4000) Seleka rebels for over 13 hours
-- Inflicted over 400 dead on the enemy, for the loss of only 13 dead on our side (a Killed:Lost ratio of 30:1)
-- Forced to stop fighting only when ammunition ran low
-- Achieved all primary mission objectives (held onto our base, protected the training team, protected the majority of our equipment)
-- Seleka forced to offer a cease-fire, knowing that while we continued an active-defence, they could not get into the capital
-- We did all this fighting over 5000km from home.

- Operation Corona, the securing of our borders
-- In one single 12 month period:
-> R100 million worth of counterfiet goods seized
-> 15 tons of dagga (marijuana) seized
-> apprehended 80 000 undocumented persons (illigal immigrants)
-> arrested 2 000 known criminals (people with outstanding warrants)
-> seized 300 stolen vehicles
-> seized 18 000 head of stolen livestock
-> seized 103 illegal weapons

- Humanitarian releif to mozambique
-- Stats unavailbale
-- Over 20 aircraft deployed rapidly on short notice on two seperate occasions

- Anti-Piracy Operations Mozambique channel
- Dropped incidence of piracy by 100%
- at any one time there is a South African OPV/Frigate deployed to patrol the waters of a NEIGHBORING country
- As well as 100-200 personelle deployed on Mozambiques shores with Helicopters and MPA platforms (numbers vary)

Our record speaks for itself

Now, you can continue with your faulty argument that the SANDF is deployed for AP duties, which it is not, or you can start trying to have a real discussion with us

Bwhahahaa

South African army invaded Lesotho? LOL. that Lesotho is inside South Africa, even smaller than some of your big cities.

SANDF captured the whole of Lesotho? Wow, the whole of Lesotho tiny nation is completely geographically surrounded by South Africa, you daiy surround them already now !

Your army did not invade Lesotho, or did you fight their national army? You know what Invasion means? No you don't

Lesotho was a coup plot crisis NOT a war, the overthrow of their president was a political crisis, not war....Fool

Even Nigerian police MOPOL teams will solve Lesotho's problem.

The Lesotho trouble makers did not even attack SANDF, so whom did you fight? Nobody

"Meanwhile, the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) refuted claims that it was involved in foiling the alleged attempted coup. Spokesperson Siphiwe Dlamini said that as “far as [he] was aware” there had been “none whatsoever”.

http://mg.co.za/article/2014-09-01-lesotho-unrest-sadc-leaders-meet-sandf-dismiss-reports

SANDF has denied doing anything in Lesotho, no achievement, this your big lie has destroyed EVERYTHING in your long post of fabricated lies and falsehood about Lesotho, Mozambique, Congo DR, etc.....into the dustbin it goes
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patches689:
Africa's best performing army?

- over 400 men fled into a neighboring country for fear of having to fight boko haram
- lost over 42 towns and cities to boko haram
- unable to protect up to 10 000 nigerians from being slaughtered by boko haram
- unable to prevent over1,5 million nigerians loosing their homes to boko haram
- has to call in South African mercenaries and beg help from Chad and Cameroon to win any land back

lol

And again, poaching is not a SANDF responsibility

You are talking about past tense, old story, the story has changed, Nigerian army has won it's war. Nobody cares about the past events. What matters in any war is the end. Germany was winning world war II defeating France, Poland, Holland, etc in 1940-1943 but lost the whole war and surrendered in 1945. Is Germany getting any global praise for the earlier victory? Nope, they lost the whole war at the end.

Best performing army in Africa 2015, Nigerian army has....

- Killed Shekau I
- Killed Shekau II
- Uprooted Shekau III into oblivion
- Recovered or destroyed all lost armoured vehicles
- Demolished all Boko heavy weapons/armoured vehicles and reduced them to motorcycle and Golf car riders
- Executed German army style Blitzkreig war speed flushing Bokos out of 45 towns in 45 days
- Used Boko Haram's caliphate flags to mop the floor
- Set a new world record combat speed of a string of cascading victories in a huge battle theatre the size of Scotland
- Wiped off and blasted all Boko caliphates into total non-existence
- Beat USA/UK/NATO/Russian/Israeli army records of COIN
- Won the heart of Egypt and praise of Israel
- End of story in Nigerian army's favour !

Show me how South African army has achieved the above in the last 50 years

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mzilakazi:
Tell us how is SANDF failing on the duty that is not primarily theirs.

Congo DRC war is not primarily SANDF resposibility, it is a United Nations task with about a dozen countries' armies and air forces from around the world working together, you South Africans have been claiming glory from UN Congo mission because it is successful, you never said it is not your primary responsibility....thieves !

Now at home in your fatherland, SANDF joined Forest Rangers and brought MRAPs, helicopters into the fight against foreign invaders from Mozambique looting your ancestors land, then you say it's not your primary responsibility, so is it a UN job then ?

If you don't want to be linked with failure, never join the battle in the first place. SANDF is involved and Rhino poachers have won, 600 Soweto Rhinos exiled to safety in Botswana after Jacob Zuma had to kneel down and beg a weaker country for mercy

COIN 'experts' failing COIN test in Soweto motherland bush.....SANDF needs Col.Eben's help more than Nigeria does
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[size=13pt]Africa's best performing army...Naija !

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoNVraGIrk

Some mumu army with 700 MRAPs cannot even deal with 200 Rhino Poachers
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iblawi:
Even with their support and tactics they still disappointed your country.
The park Ranger must be disappointed as well.
Going to fight poachers with MRAPs and still no meaniful outcome. It's a shame. Would they have used Tanks and fighter Jets if it wasn't a support mission.
Your military gave their best but they couldn't cope.

They keep shouting Col. Eben Barlow of South Africa, yet SANDF if failing and falling to a few hundred Rhino poachers in their own homeland bush, including bush land belonging to South African army itself !!!!!!

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jln115:
Jap that why we are building 3 OPVs 3 IPVs(60m), a hydrographic vessel, + we bought several landing craft this year, as we speak Denel is producing A-Darter missiles for SAAF ect ect ect ect

Jap ! You building OPV and IPV on paper, project Biro exists only on paper . Okay, name the shipyard where you are building OPV today

A-Darter missile is not yet in service, date shifted till 2016, maybe by then you will have 6 pieces of it.

Southie military is broke

Patchesagain:
Lol

When I log on augubugug runs away!

Hahahaha, he fears me more than a dose of hot pepper sauce in the nose!

LOL....you that thinks anti-submarine warfare helicopter has torpedoes with no sonar to guide it underwater

FighterPilot:
Almost over 20 000 people are recorded to have been killed in BH war since the insurgency started.

You personally counted them in each town and village?

Patchesagain:
Still waaay worse than a couple of rangers struggling to cope with poachers in an area the size of wales

LOL....you mean a couple of Rhino poachers ruling South African territory in an area the size of Wales, looting your animal resources for export

DictatorZAR:
F@ucktard why you diverting issues, from your gay cross dressing army who run with panties in there hands when they just hear screams from a boko boy assault.

You like to throw punches us, but get angry when we strike back

I see SANDF with MRAP pursuing Rhino poachers and failing at home.....nice photo, it's even in THIZA's album, just ashamed to post it

iblawi:
Pls who are those guys coming out from the MRAP

3 SANDF soldiers and 1 Forest Ranger running after Rhino poachers
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FighterPilot:
That is untrue. Poachers are insiders .

That means SANDF is so dumb you don't even know where your enemy comes from, Rhino poachers are from across border Zimbabwe and Mozambique, South Africa is being invaded by armed men and you cannot stop them for ever.....failed bush war at home

"South Africa is currently experiencing a catastrophic rhino poaching crisis, with 668 rhinos lost during 2012. It is now evident that Mozambique has played a key role in this illegal killing.

The vast majority of rhinos killed in South Africa are poached in Kruger Poached rhino Limpopo South Africa (C) Sarah NelsonNational Park, which shares a long, porous border (356km) with Mozambique, where most of the poachers come from. Poachers from Mozambique are easily able to illegally slip across the border into Kruger National Park, and even if South African National Parks rangers are able to detect them, they are unable to carry out the ‘hot pursuit’ once the poachers have crossed the border back in Mozambique. During March 2013 alone, Kruger Park recoded 72 known cross-border armed incursions from Mozambique. Of the 94 rhino related arrests in South Africa this year, 44 of these have been in Kruger (9 May 2013)."

https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/thorny_issues/mozambiques_role_in_the_poaching_crisis

FighterPilot:
PMCs are banned in many countries including in Europe and so I fail to conceive your assertions that they still train militaries across the world.

Your research is very poor.

You just proved that your BSc Military Science degree is fake http://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/mercenaries-better-us-army-560/
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FighterPilot:
Eeben complained that the western have detrained Nigerian forces by teaching them the wrong stuffs.

Barlow, trained over 4000 Nigerian forces. No ways can only 100 be trained to face over 4000 bandits.

Russia is not western power, it is eastern bloc you fake BSc military science fraudster

Citation for the over 4,000 NA troops trained by Barlow.....fraudster.....4,000 men drive in our 30 REVA MRAPS.....fool
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FighterPilot:
Thanks, Can you tell me what do you meet before you enter the main entrance of Mojave desert battle center? That is so protruding that it can never go unnoticed.
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Image tank/helo

FighterPilot:
In only one sentence. Soldiers are not meant to look after animals .

SANDF cannot protect South Africa's borders from armed invasion, that is why Poachers cross in from Zimbabwe with rifles and ammunition to dominate a huge chunk of your fatherland in Kruger park including army owned land for many years unstoppable by your clueless army
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ssaengine:
The entire Nigerian 72 Strike Force is a creation of Eben Barlow. He said so with his own words. Opening the unit, recruiting men from existing units, and training on search and destroy tactics. A private man, with a private company creating a unit within the Nigerian Army. Nigeria did not have the capability, know-how or motivation to create such a unit. It had nothing to do with teaching your men how to drive our Reva MRAP's. What is so difficult in starting, and driving a vehicle that carries no specialist weapons? It was all about the creation of 72 Strike Force.

PMC as private military men train American and European armies at home, that is nothing new.

Blackwater PMC in America trains US Navy seals special forces, one of the best SF in the world, they killed Osama Bin Laden !

NA mobile strike force of 120 men, a 'whole' unit of just 120 men trained by Eben and his 5 man trainers crew, while Russia trained most of the 5,000 NA COIN brigade....a whole 5,000 compared to Barlow trained tiny 120 .....yet the Russians are not going all over internet claiming glory like you desperate South Africans whose Bush war and COIN tactics is failing you in your own fatherland at home when used by the SANDF, it proves that SANDF needs Eben Barlow's training more than Nigeria
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FighterPilot:
Rhinos are animals. Let them come and poach our people and see our wrath.

Eeben Barlow is not an engineer working for South African arms contractors, in fact he is an ex SADF special force who is a hardened fighter. He and his men trained Nigerian military and that's a fact.

If those Rhinos are useless animals, why are you so worried about them you deployed a whole 21 battalion of SANDF and air force helicopters to fight save them? Why did you use aircraft to fly mere animals like VIP men to hide in escape to Botswana after the poachers defeated SANDF in your own homeland bush where your COIN and bush war tactics have failed you?

Those Rhinos are your natural resources with money value of millions dollars made on Rhino horns in the world market.

Same way if invaders from Zimbabwe cross border to steal your gold in illegal mining, will you say it's ordinary minerals not human beings?

It is the moral duty, and constitutional duty of ALL MILITARY FORCES in the world to defend the territorial integrity of their country when foreigners violate your land from another country, yes the territorial integrity and independence of South Africa is daily violated by Zimbabwean Rhino poachers, that is a job for SANDF your military, not your Forest Ranger men, your national land is now being invaded and your natural resources of Rhino horns is being looted daily in a brutal bloodshed of the Rhinos.

It is the duty of South African military to defend South Africa from armed foreigners, SANDF has failed at home, your COIN skills are ZERO and your Bush war tactics are a FAILURE in your own fatherland......thanks to your INEXPERIENCED ARMY and incompetent Generals

Your South African military has NOTHING to teach Nigerian military, we have succeeded in real combat, you have NEVER achieved that.

Read the story of SANDF current deployment in anti-Rhino operations and the failures....

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37561:sandf-ill-discipline-sticks-its-head-out-in-kruger&catid=111:sa-defence

SANDF troops with MRAP in current anti-Rhino operations January 2015....Failure in Bush War on homeland

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/Ex_Machibini_1_400x300.jpg
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Msauza:
South Africa is not claiming anyone's glory but merely telling the truth. Without South Africans Nigeria was nothing and perhaps the whole of NE could have been in the hands of bandits and converted into caliphate. Eeben Barlow is your messiah and you should treat him as your demi god.

Eben trained only 120 men, Russia trained thousands of the 5,000 man new Nigerian COIN brigade that did final offensive in january to march...

DictatorZAR:
Guy you must be drunk. Nigerian soldiers in SA proving themselves what da f@uck.

By the way we don't claim to be the best but our training systems and SF selection are proof enough that we are amongst the worlds best trained combatants.

Your training in South Africa produced soldiers who decide to surrender when they see Toyota loads of Sudanese boys, what will they do is they see Nigerian troops with T-72 tanks ?

Yes Nigerian army and air force fought in Angolan bush war and also trained ANC freedom fighters who now rule your country, that source was published here this year, clear historical account from the Nigerian military HQ, we trained you and fought for you cowards
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