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Msauza:
SAN has fully Anti Submarine Warfare capability

Which ship or helicopter will SAN use for ASW ?

Dundee

DictatorZAR:
The IRST was tested and Qualified using Denel's Target SKUA at Overberg. So your garbage don't mean anything.

As a so called military analyst who works in the defense industry you know very little.

Who told you IRIS-T was never tested in Germany before anywhere else? They can test it again for SAAF in your own land to get sales business and make you buy.

IRIS-T is not an anti-missile missile, it cannot stop a missile like the PL-9C of NAF. Period.

Msauza:
Attach the source because most sources so far tell of only two drones.

Show me a source that tells of only two drones in NAF, show me your source.

SIPRI is free on internet, you don't need my help to open the page for Nigeria-China arms transfer and read....except you are most dumb of all South Africans
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DictatorZAR:
Tested against the best target drone in Africa SKUA.

980 km/h slow speed Skua drone, used to test Umkhonto, then you came out to say Umkhonto can catch up with an F-7 jet that has 2,200 km/hr speed or stop/intercept a PL-9C missile that has 4,000 km/h speed even almost double times faster than the Umkhonto.

U dey crayzeee
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Msauza:
All missiles are tested against preferably drones to simulate aircrafts and missiles. Do you by any chance think that missiles are tested against a real fighter jets with pilots on board? You must be kidding me.

Advanced countries test missiles against high speed supersonic drones, not the slow speed subsonic drone used by South Africa to test Umkhonto missile and then begin to claim it can do what it has not been tested to do, desperately trying to defraud innocent buyers.

Msauza:
JUST A FACT THAT CAN NEVER BE DISPUTED.

Nigeria's F7 jets have never, will never and can never fire missiles throughout its history.

How did our F-7 fire PL-9C training missiles with Pakistan? Why did we buy them armed with PL-9C air to air missiles?

SAAF Gripen jets cannot fire missiles in combat.

DictatorZAR:
It would be even greater if African countries can get together and put away petty nationalistic ideologies and start a single African Aerospace Company and develop there own systems.

African leaders don't cooperate to that level. Shame. Envy, hate and incompetence won't allow them to cooperate profitably.

MikeCZAR:
High speed target drone. Test are there to check if the missile performs as expected or designed to(operational requirements).

That's why in many cases the drones are not destroyed in the tests.

In that picture you can see the missile makes a climb before moving to attack the target .

That picture is not real life you dunce

It is an artist's computer generated 3D photo of Umkhonto missile imaginary capabilities

Mumu, artist's drawings are mere imagination put into images.

Umkhonto was ONLY tested against a slow speed, SUB-SONIC speed Sea Skua drone, yet you claim it can magically stop a supersonic PL-9C missile that has almost double the speed of Umknonto.....fool, does a donkey run after a horse and catch up with it ?

Mumu

Msauza:
RAYTHEON SM-6 (STANDARD MISSILE) IS CATEGORISED AS AN SAM BUT IT CAN SHOOT DOWN BALLISTIC AND CRUISE MISSILES, SAME AS UMKHONTO MISSILES. AGAUGUST DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING LIKE THIS, RATHER WOULD EXPECT THE MISSILE TO BE CALLED ANTI-MISSILE MISSILE. IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS MAN DOESN'T MOVE WITH TIMES.


http://breakingdefense.com/2015/08/sm-6-can-now-kill-both-cruise-and-ballistic-missiles/

Does South Africa have the American Raytheon SM-6 missile you are quoting here? No.

Case closed.

MikeCZAR:
I came back thinking you now understood how missiles work.

You think a missile is a miracle weapon that can do and undo ? Mumu.

DictatorZAR:
You expose your ignorance again

Tell what is the
1)Ingwe
2)Badger
3)Skyshield CRAM

All of this are budgeted for and currently being delivered. Some CRAM systems are already deployed.

If I were you I would shut up because Nigeria don't even have anything in the class of our Skyshield.

Tell me about SANDF ancient 1950 to 1980 equipment still in frontline service :

1. Dakota MPA
2. Ratel IFV
3. Olifant Mk1 tank
4. Casspir MRAP
5. Samil vehicles
6. Batleur rocket launcher
7. Cessna aircraft
8. Warrior class patrol boats
9. Recoilless anti-tank gun
10. Vulture drone

That's ten different obsolete junk equipment in your arsenal, yet you pick on other people's old weapons, you have tons of them too

MikeCZAR:
In your case you can't comprehend the simple fact that an enemy submarine presence in Nigerian waters would move your armed forces/navy from being proactive to being reactive at sea.

Giving the opposing enemy navy full control of events at sea.

Causing your navy to divert massive resources/equipment to hunting an elusive sub or protecting high value targets/warships/oil installations.

Nigeria has no anti-submarine capability.

Nigeria has reserved anti-submarine capability on Lynx helicopters and NNS Aradu itself having her ship sonar and torpedoes.

South Africa has been proved to have submarines but zero anti-submarine capability.

If you send submarines to threaten a country, you also miss the use of that submarine in you own home, travelling far to attack leaves you exposed at home with less defensive capability.

The size of the navy you attack with submarine, actually matters, for example Nigeria has the biggest navy in Africa with about 400 vessels.

Too many platforms are available to Nigeria to hunt and sink a submarine, it is delusion and ignorance for a South African diesel-electric engine submarine to be called elusive.....only a nuclear power engine submarine can be truly elusive.

Diesel submarine will be forced to snorkel in 2 days or else battery power dies and it will sink to sea bottom.

With powerful coastal radars, coastal TV cameras, ATR-42 surveyors, Beechcraft 350 ER, Diamond ISR aircraft, armed CH-3 drone, armed stealth Catamaran IPV with echo sounder underwater object detectors, armed high speed ocean interceptor with radars and FLIR, Alpha jets and Mi-35 helicopters.....your snorkeling submarine will be found and killed after 2 days underwater, it must part-surface to snorkel and death will came that hour !

It's hard to fight a major African power like Nigeria, it's very hard, Nigeria has too many things to throw back at the enemy.

DictatorZAR:
The Rooivalk Block F is more advanced then any helo in your inventory.

With your ordinary gun and unguided rockets on the Rooivalk ?....and 20 year old design and avionic tech...old junk Rooivalk

Msauza:
There were only two CH-3 drones in Nigeria, one crashed and only one is left.

SIPRI records 5 CH-3 drones sold to Nigeria, insider sources from MoD say we ordered 10 units.

DictatorZAR:
SA is also the only African country that a has the legal rights to upgrade and service all MI helos

All Mi-35 owners have legal right to service it at home if they have engineers, upgrade is allowed if they have experts.

SA just got commercial licence to do the work as profit making venture, that the difference.

Nigeria services her Mi-35 at home with our own NAF technicians, and we fabricate some spare parts locally for it.

Msauza:
UMKHONTO MISSILE PROVIDING AN ALL ROUND 360 DEFENCE AGAINST AIRCRAFTS, CRUISE MISSILES AND SEA SKIMMING MISSILES. AS PROVEN AND TESTED. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED, ONLY HAS MORE TO DO WITH WHERE IT MEETS OR ENGAGE THE TARGET.

Your so called test or proof photo is a computer painted 3D image, it's not real life, mumu

Msauza:
Umkhonto missile is a multi purpose SAM. Call it the way you want because it can shoot down missiles as well and it has been proven.

Show me where Umkhonto missile was tested against a missile, to shoot down a missile. Show me proof of that test.

patches689:
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The report actually SAYS CLEARLY and confirms that :

"Some of the equipment that must be replaced dates back to the 1950s, including trucks and aircraft."

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/09/15/SANDF-goes-shopping

Msauza:
Chief I am not at your messy not at all. I asked you to provide a source but you failed.

Nigeria's allegations about a purported armed drone was raised after the drone was seen crashed in the NE. Many drones were seen in NE including those from the US and France but it never raised speculation that they belonged to Nigeria. Remember ever since chibok girls saga many countries secretly deployed all sort of drones to NE Nigeria trying to spy on BH including China.

http://newtelegraphonline.com/france-china-uk-join-us-search-chibok-girls/

Msauza:
I told you that you don't have armed drone.

Msauza is a born mumu .

"China's sale to Nigeria of CH-3 UAVs armed with AR-1 missiles was revealed recently when one of the aircraft crashed in late January, apparently during a sortie against the Boko Haram militant group in the northeast of the country."

http://www.janes.com/article/49455/update-idex-2015-blue-arrow-9-further-expands-chinese-uav-weapon-options
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Msauza:
SA valour is protected against any SEA-SKIMMING, CRUISE MISSILES AS WELL AS PGMS. We have an intelligent umkhonto missiles which provide an all found 360 defence.

Umkhonto missile is an anti-aircraft missile NOT an anti-missile missile. It was only tested against a slow speed Skua drone, never tested against a supersonic speed target, or small target, talk less of a high speed missile.

Even a NAF F-7 jet has same speed as your short leg Umkhonto missile that cannot run long enough or fast enough to catch up with an F-7 jet.

Keep fooling yourself .

iblawi:
You have never face real battle, all you do is to snap pics. Camera defence force. A whole navy only boast of 15km missile you are a disgrace to Africa.

Have you ever imagined how stvpid you valours will look if they watse all their missile trying to defend missiles from armed drone.

Umkhonto missile CANNOT stop a missile, it's built to stop aircraft.

Nigerian armed drones are a threat to Valour frigates with our 10 km range air to surface missile, the Valour's Umkhonto cannot climb beyond 8 km, if NAF drones can climb to 8.5 km (CH-3 drone altitude is classified) it will sink the Valour frigate and nothing will harm the drone or stop it's missiles.

With these armed drones, any navy sailing frigates into Nigerian waters to fight must come with an anti-aircraft missile that has altitude of at least 10 km or else it risks being sunk by our guided missiles drones
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Msauza:
[size=20]When msauza comes in all Nigerians will clear the way and hide their faces in the sand like an ostrich. Agugububu will only have to bury his face.[/size]

U dey craze

DictatorZAR:
The very same 76mm is also on the FREMM Frigates so its still one of the best there is in the world

Nope, FREMM frigate uses the modern 76mm Super Rapid version, not the obsolete 1970s scrap 76mm that South Africa removed from the old Warrior class gunboats, dumped in a metal scrap yard, picked up in year 2005 to be repainted and fitted on a brand new stealth Valour frigate, a non-stealth gun on a stealth warship.....Zulu + Xhosa = Mental Retardation
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Msauza:
I truly agree that SANDF must at least get a budget worth over $12 billion to curtail its challenges.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/09/15/SANDF-goes-shopping

The report actually confirms that :

"Some of the equipment that must be replaced dates back to the 1950s, including trucks and aircraft."

SANDF is full of obsolete equipment, some dated 1950 generation

Helmod said "Critical equipment, including trucks and armoured infantry vehicles, need to be replaced. We desperately need light anti-tank
weapons and reconnaissance vehicles. Our artillery and antiaircraft weapons systems need upgrading."

Stupart agreed that a lot of SANDF equipment had to be replaced.

Many of your VITAL equipment especially are not operational or unfit for use in war, SANDF is loaded with junk weapons

"R30-billion would go to SANDF border protection."

SANDF is officially responsible for border protection, yet Rhino poachers dribble them, enter your father-land, mess you up

[size=13pt]SANDF cannot protect South African borders, gun smugglers from Zimbabwe, Rhino poachers from Mozambique, hired assassins from Rwanda, all walk majestically like warlords under the wet mucus dripping nose of South African army to do damage to Mandela's fatherland

Useless and incompetent SANDF, inexperienced army of rookies
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FighterPilot:
Is SANDF going shopping or what?

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/09/15/SANDF-goes-shopping

"Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula is on a window- shopping tour to the UK, attending one of the world's biggest military and security equipment expos."

Window shopping according to the report.....that means wasting your country's money on flight ticket, hotel bills, night/day cash pocket allowances, travelling overseas to just look at weapons that can be easily viewed at home on the internet.....ANC is robbing South Africa.....your leaders bought one Super Lynx patrol/rescue helicopter for $ 40 million same price as an ATR-42 Surveyor ISTAR/MPA/AWACS aircraft

RSA...Mumu nation of thieves.

Msauza:
THE OGA ON TOP SAYS AND I QUOTE:

The F-7s are unable to carry precision guided air to surface weapons while the country’s ATR 72 surveillance aircraft are able to detect insurgent activity but not deploy
weapons.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php? option=com_content&view=article&id=37048:nigeria-looking to-buy-scorpion-jets&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

NAF launches precision guided air to surface strikes with armed drones.

SAAF cannot do that.

Msauza:
ANALYSING NIGERIAN AIRFORCE PIECE BY PIECE.


DID ANYONE EVER SEE NIGERIAN F7 JETS WITH TARGETING PODS?

IF YOU DID SEE THEM, PLEASE ATTACH A PICTURE.

ANALYSING SOUTH AFRICAN AIRFORCE PIECE BY PIECE.


DID ANYONE EVER SEE SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE WITH ANY DRONE AT ALL ?

IF YOU DID SEE THEM, PLEASE ATTACH A PICTURE.

Msauza:
I see military men giving support to a mission that is not military by nature. The same way they are giving support to the police when the fight crime.

Rhino poachers are also having fun on SANDF owned army land, so whose job is it to fight them, me ?

DictatorZAR:
You call us untrained yet we have yearly naval war exercises with Nato, India and Brazil while you sit around doing jack shiiiit. You don't test fire anti air missiles on your ships, infact you've never even tested your aspides in the last 30 years. Your navy is irrelevant.


Nigeria has the Aspide MK1 the very first of the aspide family of missile old and outdated, 1970 system.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspide

Your military is outdated fact

The main 76mm guns on all your 4 Valour frigates were purchased in 1970s, removed from scrap yard and repainted to put on a stealth ship.

Your navy is both dumb and out-dated.. Fact

DictatorZAR:
Give your Aradu some cough syrup and viagra.

We are already doing that sir, and after the refit NNS Aradu will ra.pe your Valour frigates

DictatorZAR:
Where and when name the exercise and don't come and show us how they are busy training your incompetent fools

The NATO navies that exercised with SAN were training your incompetent fools in your navy that has ZERO combat experience in 70 years.

Nigerian navy exercises with NATO and they know our navy has war experience from Biafra war to Liberia to Sierra Leone to Niger Delta.

http://thenationonlineng.net/navy-hosts-multinational-sea-exercise/

Nigerian navy did the only Naval amphibious assault in African history on a scale bigger than what Britain did in Falklands war.

DictatorZAR:
Since when can a 22km air to air missile demolish a air defense frigate. Do you even know what you talking about

F-7 will shoot down your Lynx if it flies withing the Umkhonto 15 km range umbrella, we have 22 km range missile on F-7.

Also, we have Drones with 10 km range air to surface missiles, if it can climb to 8.5 km altitude, we will sink Valour frigates .

Msauza:
SANDF will soon take delivery of an armed drones. Denel confirms it has already reached production.



http://www.janes.com/article/53897/denel-confirms-seeker-400-delivery


http://defence.pk/threads/denel-confirms-seeker-400-delivery.395006/

Msauza kills dead!!!!

Saengine and Patches have confirmed that the DENEL Seeker 400 drones are NOT for SANDF, they are for Immigration- Border Agency


Mr. Msauza Always kills himslef dead !!!!!