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mzilakazi:
A-Darter is V3E missile project which Denel started in 1995. Stop misleading people.


You have no knowledge of what you are talking about. A-Darter is the property of DENEL DYNAMICS. Brazil have only invested money that's all. Denel have been looking for a partner ever since the project was only on paper.

Brazil gave A-Darter missile technology to South Africa, go and google the missile technology capacity of Mectron company Brazil, they built modern air to air missiles before South Africa ever did, they are your masters, stop claiming all glory to yourself, o thief!

http://odebrecht.com/en/communication/releases/mectron-participates-brazilian-air-force-missile-launch-campaign

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ssaengine:
I don't understand why you purposefully turn this thread into a joke. Are you here for a serious debate or not? What you do is pathetic.
Denel is building the Badger using the Patria Finnish IFV chassis under license, with South African weapons and communication systems used. Even a 7 year old can find that information on the internet. You know that for a fact, but you just bring this topic down with such useless comments. Compare this thread to a year or so ago. Look at how slow it is now, because of non.sense like this. Just grow up.

If I expose your hidden facts, you start calling me a joke, well since Finland's Patria and South African Badger are the same about 80%, then yours is a copy...FACT !!!

China too got license from Russia to use MiG-21 design for the early model F-7 jet and you Southies call F-7 a copy of MiG-21 so sweet in your mouth, but now I am giving you a taste of your own medicine and you say I am spoiling this thread....so you cannot tolerate payback time? I hope you have learnt a lesson now.

The only jokers messing up this thread are you South Africans who say all the time that Eben Barlow used 100 ghost mercenaries to defeat Boko Haram by liberating a whole 45 towns in 45 days like spirits from the heavens with supernatural powers, South African pilots flying Nigerian Mi-35 helicopters, Alpha jets, F-7 jets, operating Nigerian T-72 tanks, Bofors FH-77 artillery, leading a whole 30,000 troop Nigerian army plus it's brigadiers and generals, sweeping across land equal to the size of Scotland, killing every Boko Haram....all done by ordinary rifle men from a South African PMC....you did not tell your fellow South Africans to stop messing up this thread everytime they say that, did you? No.

Now you want to shut my own mouth? I think you are alcohol drunk sir.

mzilakazi:
Umkhonto Block II (15km) is currently in service with SA navy and FINLAND. Thank you.


http://www.deagel.com/Surface-to-Air-Missiles/Umkhonto-Block-2_a001076002.aspx

Thank you for admitting that India beats South Africa in missile technology, Indian Akash is 30 km range, double you Southie goat heads who claim to be among the best in the world
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mzilakazi:
You have run out of ideas. I have only deployed to other countries other than Sudan.
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I was talking about @fighterpilot who claims to have been deployed to Sudan.

Me too can claim I was deployed to Iraq with my PMC colleagues, it's easy, isn't it?

mzilakazi:
UMKHONTO MISSILE FAMILY.

Operational
range 12 km (7.5 mi )(Umkhonto-IR Block
1) [1]
15 km (9.3 mi ) (Umkhonto-IR Block
2) 20 km (12 mi)(Umkhonto-IR Block
2 [Extended Range])
30 km (19 mi) (Umkhonto-ER)
60 km (37 mi)(Umkhonto-R) [2]
Flight altitude 8 km (5.0 mi )(Umkhonto-IR)
12 km (7.5 mi ) (Umkhonto-ER)
15 km (9.3 mi )(Umkhonto-R)

Stop posting nonexistent planned proposals. India too has plans for extended range Akash.

Show us source that says Umkonto missile range above 15 km exists in service anywhere in this world....citation needed
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mzilakazi:
Umkhonto has 60Km range version. You are a disgraceful fool.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_(missile)

60 km Umkhonto version does not exist, the one you have is 15 km....and stop quoting Wikipedia here...foool !
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mzilakazi:
We deploy with hundreds of officers from lieutenant, Captains, Majors and Colonels. So, what exactly do you want to say?

Let @fighterpilot Show us proof that he was deployed to war zone in Dafur.

mzilakazi:
After China had copied A-Darter's original tech, Denel had to come with a completely new tech of A-Darter that behaves completely different to that of the original but with same capsule or body.

Liar !!! Who told you Denel built A-Darter?

Brazil's Mectron company supplied technology by joint venture to South Africa for A-Darter, Denel never succeeded until Brazil sent Mectron company to give you Brazilian technology and experience with build modern missiles like Piranha.


Glory thief, you guys completely refused to give glory to Brazil that helped you and now claim South Africa built A-Darter....you Soweto glory thieves !!!!
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mzilakazi:
AKASH VS UMKHONTO MISSILE FAMILY.

WHICH ONE IS THE BEST?

Akash range 30 km, ceiling 18 km.

Umkhonto range 15 km, ceiling 8 km.

India beats South Africa, yet the Indians don't go about calling themselves one of the best weapons producers in the world
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FighterPilot:
Well said, I agree 100% and I believe some of other Nigerians agree deep on the inside that @agaugust must keep away from Geography and military. I have been reading a lot of his posts lately and have seen that his reasoning has reduced into peanuts. I was further puzzled by the fact that he did not know that Sahara desert passes through Darfur, the region that I was once deployed. He is very ignorant indeed. He should hand over his account of Nairaland to someone else or follow other topics.

You are non-combatant, you are an admin work related air force man, yet you say you were deployed with combatant army units in Dafur? Even if you pay bribes, nobody will post you there.

Your comment got 6 likes....people love your lies and comedy

mzilakazi:
Iris T and A-Darter behaves completely different.

A-Darter can curl backwards, used as defensive weapon and even resist jamming mechanism of the most powerful EW systems. All of those Iris T cannot do.

Denel bought the rights to produce Patria IFV of their own version (Badger) legally so. The same way Americans did.

South Africa copied Finland to build Badger IFV, show proof that Denel piad for the hull design.

You are copy cats too

mzilakazi:
Read the source and hear what the Denel official said about SA-China botched deal.

Post proof that Denel gave China engineering documents, or you have no proof?
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DictatorZAR:
You are no military analyst you claim to much yet you cannot prove shiiit.

The PL-9 is not even listed as a top 10 best air to air missiles. It is obsolete nothing more. The A-Datar under this list is listed as one of the top 10 as of today no PL-9 copy.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/features/featurethe-worlds-most-effective-air-to-air-missiles-4167934/

Bad list, pro west pro NATO, it carefully avoided mentioning Russian and Chinese new 5th generation missiles, the new Russian/Indian missile beats every rival on planet earth....Novator K-100

http://www.allmilitaryweapons.com/2011/06/novator-k-100-russia-india-aam.html?m=1

Even India makes better missiles than South Africa...Indian missiles like Akash, Barak, Brahmos, Novator, etc
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mzilakazi:
China had already been oriented about the project. SA pulled out after China appeared to be shady.

Show us proof that the 'orientation' included giving A-Darter engineering secrets to a rejected potential partner that you refused to cooperate with.....or Denel board of directors if full of Zulu fools?

ssaengine:
The Chinese also travelled 10 000km to steal various American military data at gun point? Interesting. Google what the Chinese have stolen from America.

Show proof that South Africa did not copy German Iris -T missile by reverse engineering to produce A-Darter, because Denel never succeeded in building A-Darter until 7 years after you got hold of German Iris-T.

Same way South Africa copied Finland's Patria IFV to build Denel Badger IFV...you Soweto thieves, accusing other people!
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mzilakazi:
Clearly you didn't even read the source. China had previously had interest to partner on A-Darter.

.....but South Africa refused the partnership, so when you rejected China's offer they pointed a gun at yöu and robbed Denel company of the A-Darter engineering documents?

Mumu.

mzilakazi:
China is busy copying A-Darter as we speak.


http://majalahmiliter..nl/2009/01/south-africa-defense-equipment-copied.html?m=1

Firstly your source is a mere blog of private opinion, secondly it says Denel suspects China but has no proof. How does suspicion become fact?

A-Darter missile is not yet in service anywhere, not yet exported, not yet sold anywhere, so how did China get a copy of it to reverse engineer, they traveled 10,000 km to South Africa and rob Denel factory at gun point ?

You cannot even think, full time fool

mzilakazi:
You are a fool for life.


http://www.darfurdevelopment.org/node/2


Let me quote for this stupidd fake MBA accountant from the source above.



In terms of geography and demography Darfur is divided into three regions:

1. The northern semi-arid desert extending between the Sahara and northern belt of South Darfur State where scanty rains fall during short rainy seasons.
2. The central region centred by and split into two halfs by Jebel Marra volcano massif, at ten thousand feet above sea level. This region is characterised by heavy torrential rains, terrace cultivation at the top or steppes of the Jebel, hemmed in by sandy and rocky plains in the east, and by vast plains in the west.
3. The southern region which lies between the second region and Bahr Al-Arab and characterised by heavy rains and rich alluvial soils.

Born möron, you cannot even understand your own source, it does not say Dafur is in Sahara desert, it actually conforms my map, Dadur is between the Sahara desert and the scanty rain region.....I quote your own source:

"The northern semi-arid desert extending between the Sahara and northern belt of South Darfur State".

A town between Johannesburg and Pretoria does not include Johannesburg itself, go look up the meaning of the word between.

Dundee Soweto mumu.

See, the real Sahara desert is yellowish sand dunes, not the brown sand in Dafur, reason why Egyptian army wears yellowish camo uniform to blend with the environment, not your type of SANDF brownie uniform that will make your entire army an easily visible target for enemy snipers, mortar, and aircraft.


http://saharasafaris.org/sand-dunes


Mumu Domingo

jln115:
which Chinese artillery outranges ours? Which Swedish artillery is better than ours?, Which Chinese HMD is better than the Cobra HMD?, P.S we invented the HMD, Which Chinese WVR missile beats the A-Darter? Which british ATGM beats the Mokopa? Which MRAPs do Israel, China and US have that are better than ours?, Our EW suits are some of the most modern in the world!! How is the BMP better than the Badger?

LOL....dreamer.

Chinese PLZ-05 mobile artillery ranges shells to 100 km, beats your G-6 Rhino .

Swedish Archer artillery shellls range 60 km and are guided PGM, your Southie G-6 fires about 70 km unguided shell with zero precision and poor performance.

Russian BMP-3 IFV has 100 mm gun beating your Badgers 30mm gun, the BMP-3 is also amphibious and has composite armour, yours is far inferior

See, South Africa makes weapons, we agree, but you are mot among the best in the world, that's why you sell much less than your masters in other continents.

patches689:
Nope

Prove the points you made

Ingwe is not a man portable system - Milan is, thats why we got it for the infantry, oldo

Now, substantiate your statements

No proof = trolling

Thanks for admiring your Ingwe is inferior to world class ATGMs and due to it's lack of portability you had to import Milan ATGM from France.

What proofs again you dummy? You just proved me right.

Anyway, Israel MANPATS ATGM also beats your Ingwe, the Israeli missile is both man portable and vehicle portable, does both anti-tank and anti-aircraft role, also naval use sea to land.

Your Soweto weapons are far from ranking with the worlds best .

patches689:
1. Never said it was civilian
2. How does it hunt subs without sonar?

Facts are facts

Deal with it

Your fellow fool jnl115 said it's civilian lynx, I told him that even you patches knows its ASW then you said no you don't agree, now I proved you both to bufooons with clear source that NN lynx is both ASW & SAR super combination, then you quickly dump your friend jnl115 to make him look foolish alone.

Bwahaha möron, primary ASW detection tool is sonar, if the lynx has no sonar, it cannot be ASW.

Yo will be the first fooo to build ASW helicopter without sonar.

Nigerai has storage or reserve anti-submarine lynx helicopters to find and destroy your Soweto subs, we don't have such threat so we store them and use our 8 Augusta maritime helicopters to fight the current water surface crime that pirates present, simple common sense in using resources.

patches689:
No proof = troll

Conclusion: Augubug is trolling

FYI: the USMC platform (also a patria AMV) can swim because it is not as heavily ARMORED as the badger

What proof ? My points prove themselves, google search is free.

You need proof that your Badger cannot swim? Your navy man Andrewza proved it with photos.

SANDF imported French Milan ATGM after producing your own Ingwe ATGM, no proof needed, you yourself boast of your French made Milan.

The proofs are all over the internet and on this thread backpages.

#Defeated.

patches689:
No one cares what you call them, facts are this:

1. They are not operational
2. You have no qualified crew to operate them
3. They have no sonar bouys
4. They can only hunt surfaced submarines

These are simple facts, if you cannot deal with that then it is your problem.

Bwahahaaha

I made you and jnl115 look like bufoons , you said our lynx are civilian versions, now I showed you proof they are ASW plus SAR included for full multirole maritime operations.....shame on you.

BTWN Britain does not build ASW helicopters that cannot attack a submarine under water, any helicopter waiting for submarine to surface before attacking it, has become an anti-ship helicopter, maybe South Africa will be foolish enough to build one like that and market it to the world as 'Anti-Surface Submarine Helicopter '......foool

#Demölished Patches & jnl115 with one ASW torpedo from Nigeria
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jln115:
1. Cobra HMD
2. Mokopa and Ingwe
3. A Darter
4. SERO 400 periscope and OMS 100 optronic mast
5. Actually the RG35,33,31, MambaMK5, CasspirMK6, marauder , matador are some of the best MRAPs in the world.
6. Find me more than 3 127mm MLRSs that can fire further than the bateleur.
7. I suggest you read up on our EW suits, you'll be amazed.
8. Badger IFV

You are not besting anyone, who is producing inferior weapons that you now best them, who? America, Italy, Ukraine, Sweden, Brazil, Israel, China, Germany, France, Britain.....who are you better than to move you up to the best?

Chinese artillery outrange yours, Swedish artillery has better performance, China has better HMD new in town, check out the American HMD on F-35, Russian and Chinese 5th generation missiles beat yours, British ATGM beats yours that's why you still imported them despite your own Ingwe available at home, Israel, China and USA have better MRAP vehicles new in the market, EW you are years behind Europe and America, Badger IFV is far behind latest Russian BMP-3 or America's new marine corp IFV, your Badger cannot even swim.....yet you dumbly rank yourself among the best in the world, how?

You are a day dreamer living in delusion and self deceit
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DieVluit:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40404:sandf-members-to-be-recognised-for-gallantry-after-sudan-incident&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

SANDF members to be recognised for gallantry after Sudan incident


A platoon of South African soldiers from 8 South African Infantry Battalion will be cited for gallantry after being accosted by heavily armed militia in Darfur, Sudan.

On 18 August a team of 37 South African National Defence Force (SANDF) members were escorting an United Nations team on a long range patrol to north of the South African Company Operating Base (COB), Mellit in the Darfur Region of Sudan as part of their deployment with the Unamid peacekeeping mission in the region. The patrol comprised four Mamba Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs), one Recovery Vehicle and two Land Cruisers. The patrol was to a small village, called Selibilo, 51km north of the base. The team was led by Lieutenant Phiri, a Platoon Commander from 8 South African Infantry Battalion.

On the way back to the COB the team was ambushed by an armed group and a stand-off ensued, SANDF Joint Operations said in a statement. As the protection element of the patrol had passed the ambush point, this allowed the militia to stop the second group behind them. The SANDF said that the militia were aiming an anti-tank weapon and 12.7 mm machineguns at them and had further militia members deployed on a hillside nearby.

The militia fighters then ordered the Section Commander to get out of his vehicle while pointing a weapon at him. Two fighters jumped onto one of the APCs, with one pointing a weapon at the SANDF light machine gun (LMG) gunner whilst a second armed man removed the LMG gunner from the vehicle. They demanded to see the Platoon Commander and when he arrived they ordered him to surrender and give them all their weapons otherwise they would kill everyone. “However, the Platoon Commander, Lt Phiri refused,” the SANDF said.

After two hours of negotiations to return the 7.62mm machinegun, the militia told Phiri that his members were surrounded by eight vehicles from a southerly direction and six others from a northerly direction but Phiri still refused to hand over anything. The militia then took firing positions, prompting Phiri to deploy his troops on the ground in a battle formation. He informed his troops that they would move out of the area with all vehicles, walking alongside the vehicles irrespective of the obstruction by the militia members.

Before the patrol started moving out of the danger area on foot, one of the militia members punctured the rear tyre of one of the UN Land Cruisers. One of the SANDF members observed this and pushed him away from the vehicle, all the while with automatic weapons being pointed at him. Phiri instructed the recovery vehicle to come forward and tow the UN vehicle.

The SANDF Mambas were able to move forward with the troops alongside, with weapons being pointed in both directions. “They safely moved out of the danger area and proceeded back to the base after mounting the vehicles one kilometre from the danger zone. The members who stood their ground in the face of great danger will be cited for their deed of bravery,” the SANDF statement concluded.

Around 2 000 SANDF personnel are currently taking part in peacekeeping operations, as South Africa increases its role in regional conflict resolution and peacekeeping efforts. SANDF troops are deployed in Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The SANDF has more than 800 troops deployed in Sudan with the African Union and United Nations as part of Unamid (their joint operation in Darfur).

The SANDF has recorded several incidences in Sudan – for instance, on 11 April 2010, four South African UN Police personnel were attacked in South Darfur and abducted and two vehicles stolen. They were released sixteen days later. On 26 August 2010 the South African contingent had one assault rifle stolen.

An attack on a Unamid patrol in North Darfur on 12 November 2012 killed one South African; an attack on a Unamid patrol on 17 October 2012 killed one South African in North Darfur; and an attack on a South African Unamid patrol in North Darfur on 29 October 2014 injured three. The ambush was on a section dispatched from the South African battalion base to collect water.

Earlier this year President Jacob Zuma, as commander-in-chief of the SANDF, extended the South African deployment in Darfur by another 12 months. Keeping the 850 soldiers in Sudan until March 31 next year will cost R369,079,895 for the 12 months.

Is that real combat/ battle or drama/soap opera?

One sided story as usual, wait till we hear the Sudanese version of that movie.

SANDF is giving it's troops medals for excelling in theatre arts
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mzilakazi:
You are a fucke..n retard, I thought you were much clever since you said you have MBA. Did you buy it?

Map of Darfur


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Darfur_2011.png

Wikipedia, unreliable source from you.

You are the rëtärd using Wikipedia map.

My own source is world atlas map of Sudan, Dafur is show with a downward arrow on the bottom left side and below Sahara desert. Can't paste images from my cellphone.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/sd.htm

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jln115:
A few pics of SAN, doing even more exercises today!!!!!!!!
Rest of the pics on the other thread if you wish to view them.

Only one submarine, thanks for confirming SA Navy has qualified crew for only one submarine.

Two frigates, one with full crew, the other with sailing crew only and no crew for manning combat stations.

Half dead navy.....and no independent air arm, not even a naval maritime version of Augusta AW 109 like Nigerian navy
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patches689:
Its not "google books"

You think google wrote it?

Range is 20km

Deal with it

Who said Google wrote the book? It's random eBook you too can put yours online and write jargon.

A-Darter range is officially 19km and confirmed by South Adrican dedenceweb that you all boast is better than beegeagle.

Post A-Darter range from manufacturer, we are waiting...
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jln115:
OMG!!! you cant even read a map!!!

OMG !!!! See bugler calling the owner a thief. You read the map, Sahara desert ends at Khartoum while Dafur is below the Sahara. You southies box yourselves into a tight corner then try to lie your way out of it but we Naijas always nail yöu.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/sd.htm

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patches689:
Your lynx are export versions of the HAS.3 which only have GEC Marconi Seaspray Radar radar. No sonar bouys
http://pakdef.org/westland-lynx-has-3/
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Dude, inasmuch as we all have national pride, let us not wreck this forum with deliberate falsification of facts as you often do. The people who read this thread have complained about unnecessary repetitions of what has been clearly proved.

Your argument or lying does not remove the 3 Lynx Mk.89 anti-submarine warfare helicopters from Nigerian navy air arm storage facility, we own them for life. Go hug electricity transformer if it hurts you.


Other marks are: 21 (Brazil), 23 (Argentina), 25 (Netherlands UH-14A for SAR), 27 (Netherlands SH-14B for ASW, 88 (West German ASW model and 89 (Nigerian navy for ASW and SAR with 43-1 engines, RCA radar and other updates

http://www.informationgazette.info/Weapon-6.html
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patches689:
Nope

I am responding to YOUR CLAIMS

You have made statements, now substantiate them

Or are you a liar?

Nope, I responded to the claims first made by jn115, so the root origin of the argument started from your South African camp, your side should put heads together and prove your claims.

We are waiting.....liars, please talk and show proof

patches689:
o, and FYI

A-darter has 20km range
https://books.google.co/books?id=dccE7YOi-54C&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=A-darter,+20km&source=bl&ots=0j49b2mGna&sig=pUtcqQRklCk611AUi1RXUPBGDIE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAmoVChMIjaSp8cK6xwIV5eimCh1c1Qgg#v=onepage&q=A-darter%2C%2020km&f=false

Since when did google books become a reliable source of Denel weapons?

Both Denel manufacturer and Defenceweb has said maximum range of A-Dartar missile is 19 km ONLY.

#Short Legged Missile