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OkaiCorne:
I have given you countless logical examples at the basic level, just tell us why this cannot apply at the advanced level...

Wait a minute...because it is not Scientific? or because you now know more than a Nobel Prize winning scientist?

YOU CANNOT RELY ALONE ON LOGIC TO UNDERSTAND CERTAIN THINGS BEYOND YOUR FIVE SENSES. if you choose to be blind..then remain blind

Yes, you have given countless unrelated logical examples because you don't have the logic. Your examples are illogical, your logic about your God is zero. You have been ranting based on intuition.

And I told you that there is no sixth sense in science. It is categorized as pseudoscience. Psychology is not science and psychologists only explain intuition. Do you want links? In fact, take one.

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/What_is_the_sixth_sense%3F

The expression "sixth sense" is a misnomer that falsely suggests that there is only one additional sense besides the traditional five senses of sight, hearing, touch, smell, and taste, a classification attributed to Aristotle.[2] Humans have at least five additional senses that include: nociception (pain); equilibrioception (balance); proprioception and kinaesthesia (joint motion and acceleration); sense of time; thermoception (temperature differences); and possibly an additional weak magnetoception (direction).[3]

Go and educate yourself in science, you need it.

OkaiCorne:
Today, I have encountered a caveman atheist who said intuition is not scientific...yet he has not heard of a Nobel Prize winning Scientist Daniel Kahneman who made a revolutionary breakthrough on understanding intuition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kahneman

I guess Akin1212 knows more than a Nobel Prize winning scientist that Intuition is not Scientific.

In addition please digest this link on intuition of you think it is not scientific;
https://www.livescience.com/54825-scientists-measure-intuition.html

Come and argue that these people are not Scientists too or Science doesn't support Intuition

We are not talking about scientists who won Nobel prize, we are talking about intuition as regarding the existence of a creator that can be seen and here is another excerpts from the link you yourself brought to us.

Intuition is what we use to handle everyday problems such as predicting limb positions and controlling muscle movement, to understand and generate speech, to read, to analyze what we see, to drive a car, etc. In short, all the things we do that we take for granted and which we do "without thinking". Many of these are non-trivial and hard or impossible to do using current computer technology.

They simply said intuition is what we use to do the things we do without thinking... Do you want to discover God without thinking?

OkaiCorne:
Please come and tell me that these psychologists don't know Science and are talking thrash na

You are the one who is talking trash. Please read this because I noticed you don't read before you respond.

As it is you don't have logic about your eternal creator because your information about it is not complete. So it's zero logic.

Your intuition which is fallible is divided into he may exist and he may not.

It's only when your information about it is complete and your logic is 100% that you can now know the part of the intuition that is correct.

We all had the intuition that god may exist and he may not at one point in time, some people stick there and they are called agnostics. Some of us go ahead and strengthen our logic to be 100% through science and now that our logic is correct, we know the part of our intuition that is correct.

OkaiCorne:
And Intuition must complement logic so you can use common sense to Understand. I can see you are the weakling that needs help now.

You cannot back logic up with intuition, you are going wrong again. What intuition can do for you here is solidify your logic. But your logic must be correct first. Intuition cannot back up a wrong logic. Is the English too hard for you to understand? Logic insists on correctness, if it's not correct then it's not logic. When your logic is correct, then you will know the 50% of your intuition that is right is true.

OkaiCorne:
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/publications/observer/obsonline/what-is-logical-is-not-always-true.html

Come and argue with these psychologists that states logic is not always right.

I will post more details for you to read.

Lol, you have started looking for more links? Lol, just go and take a nap, you need it.

OkaiCorne:
Can Logic hold water in the face of incomplete information?

That something is beyond your level of reasoning does it make it wrong or does it mean it does not exist?

Yes, good point. If something is beyond your reasoning, then your information is incomplete. Just like your eternal creator which is beyond your reasoning as you have claimed. So, you don't have the logic to back it up.

Again, if you use instincts or intuition which is fallible. There is a 50% chance that you are wrong and a 50% chance that you are correct. This means uncertainty. This is all we have been trying to hammer into your skull since morning. You cannot say there is a God because you are not sure. This is agnosticism, also remember I told you earlier that this is where you stand. Now, who's winning?

You brought the link that ended everything. Thank you.

Frank317, abeg come brother don expose himself.

So many times instinctive knowledge(intuition) have been wrong. You will think you know something but you actually don't. But logic is always correct. You can fill this gap between knowing and not knowing with intuition.

OkaiCorne:
I guess you were conveniently blind to the fact that logic never works where information is not complete. Baba use your 5 senses to reason before concluding...

There is a knowledge gap in Logic and Intuition can adequately fill for...and vice versa. Find the equilibrium and advance with your life.

And who are you to tell someone that his information is not complete? Does that change the fact that intuition is fallible? Or is it intuition that completes information? Look, just accept the fact for once, you brought the link here, I didn't.

OkaiCorne:
http://artificial-intuition.com/intuition.html

I will post the strengths and weaknesses of both logic and intuition. Every human being needs a healthy blend of both;

The strength to logic is that it is a very black-and-white process whereby we can gather knowledge and information, analyze and consider it from a very objective viewpoint and act upon it secure in the knowledge that it was based upon a sound process that removes much of the subjectivity and emotionalism as factors. It can provide an understanding that at times there really is the right or wrong decision or solution to a problem and that this process was based upon that concept.

The weakness to logic is that it requires the person to have access to all of the information that is relevant to the decision they need to make or with the problem they need to solve. Sometimes this is possible but at other times the situation is outside of the realm of knowledge. Logic also requires to be considered in an idealized condition. This means that based upon all the information that can be gathered this information is constant and stable thereby the means of measuring it can be reliable and unchanging. Without this than the logic begins to fall apart as unforeseen and unknowable conditions outside of the decision or problem can alter the condition that the logic was based upon.

The strength of intuition is that it does not require a long deliberation process. A person can thereby make a decision or solve a problem immediately based upon a sense of “knowing”. Intuition can be viewed as humans earliest radar system in that they were often confronted with life-and-death decisions and only had their intuition to rely upon. This ability involved an increase in a person’s chance of survival in a very unknown and constantly changing environment. For people that are deeply intuitive and make decisions and solve problems based upon it, they feel more comfortable because it is viewed as a process of using one’s heart, not their head therefore it resonates with them in a deeper way.

The weakness to intuition is that it is subjective and come from more of an ego-based process. As our ego is designed to protect us the problem with it being used in problem-solving and decision-making is that it may come from a place of fear or anxiety which will prevent a person from making a decision or problem solving to the best of their ability. There is also a greater chance of making decisions based on impulse without taking into consideration relevant facts that are needed in order to understand the bigger picture of the problem or the decision to be made.

https://coachcampus.com/coach-portfolios/power-tools/michele-spencer-intuition-vs-logic/

The parts I bolded are the root cause of our arguments. The major thing is to gain a mastery over the weaknesses of Logic and Intuition so you can learn a lot in a less time...

From your link, you must have skipped this. Although, the writer only provided his own opinion, this is noteworthy.


Intuition is fallible. Intuition attempts to make short-term predictions in Bizarre Domains. This is a best-effort process. Intuition can often make useful predictions in spite of ambiguous, incomplete, or misleading information in constantly changing chaotic environments.

Even extremely simple-minded agents can benefit from Intuition. If the best you can do is to try and try again, and if you do not track what you have done, then there is nothing from preventing you from repeatedly trying one and the same failing thing. Even a single bit of memory might allow you to discover the winner when given an alternative that works and one that fails. I plan to add a so far unpublished paper named "Primitive Problem Solving" on this topic to this site at some date.
Since Logic requires a good high-level theory, and in general also insists on correctness, it is incapable of making any predictions at all.


I asked you earlier if intuition can be wrong and right, due to your dribbling you avoided the question, here it is, you brought the link.

When it comes to addressing sensitive issues like the existence of God, you don't need intuition because you might be wrong, a fallible concept. Fallible means imperfect.
All you need to be correct is LOGIC because it insists on correctness. I'm done with you, since you finally brought the link that finished everything

If you don't agree, it's your cup of tea.

frank317:
Isnt this quite sad. I really feel bad for him. The bad news is that the guy thinks he has found the truth.

Imagine this guy leading some ignorant bunch. The way he comes out so confidenly can make an ignorant person think he has a lot to teach... this is how pastors mislead people with their so called truth.

It's quite sad my brother. But what can we do? We cannot stop him from intuiting his way to the truth.

He found the truth he simply cannot explain directly. Truth doesn't need time to explain. But for him, he can take forever.

The ignorant will surely lead the ignorant. I don't feel pity for those who will follow him.

Can you imagine the dude said I have to believe Stephen Dawkin to be an atheist, that's laughable.

He does not know that the sixth sense concept is not accepted in science, he does not know that the parallel universe is a science fiction, he does not know that the planes of existence have their roots in religions. In fact, he does not know anything at all.

I pity him though, nothing is worse than living in a lie.

OkaiCorne:
An imbe-cile is someone who is struggling with arithmetics but asks for FurtherMaths problems and answers.

Kindly give us examples of how life can exist without a Creator or Source at the most basic level...then we can think of how the Universe was created by nobody...

Chai...e sweet me for belle

Or an imbecile_ is someone who doesn't know answers are blabber...

Lol, wetin dey sweet you? Your confused state or what?

OkaiCorne:
And how is that different from what I have been saying? Your 512mb ram is just booting ba?

If Imagination is not a subset of intuition...then what is it? Something totally different and unrelated to intuition abi?

I am enjoying this...keep on displaying this scientific wisdom of yours to the whole world

How is that different? Tell me, are you just pretending to be an imbecile_ or what?

Don't associate with me abeg, we are not saying the same thing. You just blabbered that imagination is a subset of intuition.
You also said ignorantly that logic + intuition = insight. How are we saying the same thing.
Do you need some rest? I need to work abeg, I can't continue this shambolic discussion.

OkaiCorne:
The atheist that cannot even use his 5 senses properly...

Do you recall I said;

INTUITION+LOGIC = INSIGHT

For the records...Imagination is a sub-set of Intuition...or do you want more links to brush up your knowledge?

Imagination is not a subset of intuition. Enough of all these your blabberings.

Intuition + logic = Logic
abundant logic = Insight. You don't need intuition to be logical

Intuition - logic = intuition = uncertainty

It seems the self-acclaimed further maths professor needs some tutoring.

frank317:
Relate edisons process to creating a bulb to ur creator lets how it fits... seems u are fund of throwing up examples without thinking them through.

Imaginations are just what they are. They can run wild and they and can be so illlogical. Logic only brings imagination to life. If logic cannot bring ur imagination to life it will only continue being imagination and cannot be the truth.
Ur imagination about a creator has failed to stand the test of logic thats why u cannot answer simple logical questions. Hence it will continue to be what it is...YOUR IMAGINATION.

He does not have the IQ capable of realizing this. He just can't fathom no matter how hard we try.

OkaiCorne:
My FurtherMaths answer will only confuse someone who is still struggling with Arithmetics...

I am not going to put my answers on this thread for an ignorant caveman atheist to piss off on

There is a perfect place I will put this answer and I will mention your moniker to see it. Cheers

You like running sha, do you think this is temple run?

OkaiCorne:
I have given you countless instances at the basic level on how life cannot exist without a Creator...I wonder why you are finding this equally difficult to accept on a Universal level?

So where you come from...the same rules that applies in Arithmetics (BASIC LEVEL) does not apply in FurtherMaths (ADVANCED LEVEL) abi?

You cannot figure out how basic answers will lead to solving advanced problems...but you are just foaming in the mouth for an advanced answer YOU ARE NOT READY TO ACCEPT.

Repetition of the same thing over and over is a clear sign of low IQ.

I am giving you the cghance to mess up by answering my questions. Don't you want to mess up?

OkaiCorne:
1) Do you want to learn? or
2) Do you want to prove me wrong?

Which one is more important to you?

Learn what I know more than you?

I am pushing you to mess up, just answer the question and let me burst your ego.

OkaiCorne:
I see you are coming around slowly...leading you to the parallel universe is just a starting point to the plane of existence(s).

I guess your 512mb RAM is picking up gradually...you are really eager to prove people wrong rather than learning...

I hope your employer does not know your nairaland moniker..

Oga, answer the question that will reveal how unintelligent you are, you want to continue jargonizing this question too?

If you don't answer this one, then.... It's a shame.

OkaiCorne:
So Edison never Imagined what the bulb looked like abi? He just started using logic to figure out something he never imagined abi?

Please stop embarrassing your fellow atheists abeg? This is really disappointing coming from you.

So the picture that must have been imprinted on Edison's mind was not imagination...but Logic...wehdone sir...

Do you really want me to get a dictionary definition of imagination before we continue further?

Do you even know the definition of imagination at all?
Thomas Edison never imagined the light bulb oga, he worked his ass out using logic(physics) to make such a great invention. The design of the light bulb was not imagination

Besides imagination and intuition are not the same.
Are you just pretending to be dumb? Why na?

OkaiCorne:
Asides Stephen Dawkins...do you want other leading atheists points of view on the existence of a parallel universe?

Or do you just want to remain an ignorant caveman atheist in the era of internet?

Is the parallel universe tantamount to planes of existence? Time to fuck_ up again.

So anybody who doesn't have an opinion that aligns with other atheists is ignorant? Kudos to your intuition, it is the stupidest thing I have come across, ever.

Babacele:
Yes I have seen a lot of persons who have suffered one form of mishap or the other for bringing about an imbalance in the environment knowingly or unknowingly. And you or me too try to cause this imbalance , we may pay for it too unless a balance is restored by a experienced person be it our pastor, doctor or healer.

So an slowpoke energy can give forth to the most marvelous ,intelligent manifestation s, rythyms as well seeming chaos itself? If I like I can employ His feminine or mother nature or attributes to qualify Her as well as Its Neutal qualities .
Creation is a conscious process that an unconscious force, being or energy cannot bring forth.

Experience is the only knowledge and reexperience confers wisdom. To you and I a piece of metal with electrical charges means evil but to the adept it means light, fridge, radio etc.
So how do know that the creative energy of the universe is unaware of Its existence if you who can't control your metabolisms is aware of your being or existence?

1) Your point was that there is a force that kills microorganisms. You stated categorically that the force which kills all microorganisms do because it was created to do so. But the force doesn't kill microorganisms most times. Why?
I specifically asked you about the death microorganisms not mishaps in the environment, we are still coming there. Don't bury me before I die.

2) You speak of imbalance, what is this imbalance and how is it caused? You must know what you are talking about before you venture into it.

3)Imbecile_ energy, how did you know that this energy is an imbecile_? Imbecile_ is a term used to categorize people with low IQ. But this energy is not even conscious, how can something not conscious be imbecile_? You don't even know what energy is, like I said earlier, go back to pages 2,3, and 4.

4) How could you see this world and call it intelligent manifestations? There is nothing about the world that is intelligent, have you seen the Bermuda triangle? Is that an intelligent design to you?
Or you're confusing artificial intelligence to nature? If you were to create the world, would you create it with the tragedies it came with?

You don't have to do anything before tragedy can strike you.

OkaiCorne:
I brought your attention to the thought process of a global leading atheist on the possibility of a parallel universe...you no gree accept

Common Sense ... you no gree accept.... for your mind Universe na the only Orchestra without Choirmaster...no problem...

Intuition+Logic ....you no gree.... but you wan insult person ba?

If you no sabi arithmetics...how Furthermaths go take help your life na?

by the way...keep posting more pictures, they are really cute babies...

Am I supposed to accept Stephen Dawkins before you breathe?

Common sense, don't even mention bro, you don't have it.

You don't need intuition when you have logic, do you need to be seeing this every time before you realize it? Intuition is for those who lack logic

Which arithmetics are you even screaming since sef, your analogies do not point to the answer of who created the planes of existence. You know your answer will be deadly so you played the game of not answering. I like that though, but you lost bro.

OkaiCorne:


I used basic examples to bring your conclusion on the absence of an Eternal Creator to question...and you think you are hurting me?

Thanks for the free advert...You have done a lot of good for the cause of Atheism on Nairaland

Hurting you? Oh, my bad. Do you feel hurt? Eyah, that was not my plan at all.

I only want to expose you and not hurt you. Well, the deed was still done. Don't feel hurt brother, just accept your loss,

You made it a competition, you refused to act by the rule of being direct which I did well at.
Sorry, just don't feel the pain too much. Keep to your intuitions, that should pacify you. No hard feelings really.

OkaiCorne:
It's not my fault you don't know how to reason with intuition

Mr.Logic come up with better insults na...I want to learn from this Scientific wisdom of yours

Do I even need to insult you to make a point? Hell no.

I don't resort to e -insults when I am happy. Especially now that I am happy your deficiencies have been seen by a whole lot of Nairalanders.

OkaiCorne:
Your mind is not mature enough to comprehend what is beyond your reasoning...

You think you are wise...but common sense continually shows how foolish you are as an atheist Calling you an atheist is an insult to atheists...

You are a lost cause

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Always responding emotionally. Go and sit down somewhere and employ logic in your life bro. All your intuitions from A to Z are jargons.

frank317:
I want to be honest and no insult intended... I think u are so unintelligent to realize that ur examples do not answer the question... u are carried away by what u think u know when in reality u know nothing... i am really sorry for u.

frank317:
I know my parents are my parents from learning... I live with them, they love me enough, they look like me, they care for me, i act like them, i belong to their family, they act like other parents, I have learnt what being a parent is and they are a good example.

again how does this answer the question on how u got to know the creator is one being?

He will keep springing up unrelated points. I am so fed up of his intuitions.

OkaiCorne:
I guess you understand why we need a healthy blend of both.

Imagine intuition as water and logic as the bottle. That is what I have been trying to tell your other friend about...but I guess he is a LOST CAUSE.

You see why I said earlier that your reasoning is faulty, it's sad you can't see it.

You don't need intuition when you have logic. It's people without logic that use intuition, and of course, people like you.

Good reasoning is expensive though.

OkaiCorne:
Let an independent person(s) judge who the sore loser is between you and me

According to you...everything great on this planet came through the minds of Atheistic scientists right?

Don't cry, but most importantly, don't assume. If you have seen a post where I said all things were created by atheistic scientists, quote it and let's.

But at least, science was used and the name of the creator was not used to invent anything.

I think science has bruised your creator's ego.

OkaiCorne:
If the Eternal Creator gotta bleep off...tell that to your Parents as well...now that you are all grown and independent

I love this microscopic mindset of yours...I guess everything that was done to advance Humanity were only done by atheists abi?

My parents are not to be compared with imaginary ghost friend. Maybe you parents are...

I think the concept of your creator fucking_ off really touched some nerves endings... Eyah, sorry ehn, I just didn't have a choice than to tell it to fuck_ off. There, I said it again.

OkaiCorne:
Because a puzzle is beyond your reasoning doesn't stop a more informed colleague in your office to help you out. Or you have never in your life asked for answers to things you are not sure of?

Are you a proud employee that would rather bungle a job rather than ask for directions? Someone then gives you directions and you reject it and bungle the job...does that make you a great employee?

Ask someone who depends solely on 100% intuition and zero logic? You are sore loser, I swear.

OkaiCorne:
If I tell you what I know, your feeble mind cannot carry it...so what is the point telling you.

This Eternal Creator has touched my intellect to better my life and also counsel others out of their personal challenges...and I will tell you that Science has no bloody explanation on the experience and encounters I've had.

If your belief in the absence of a Creator works for you...enjoy your life na...

But I can tell you that science has touched more lives than any of your imaginary creator can dream of. Ask Seun, Bill Gates, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, and much more.

Your eternal creator can fuck_ off, and while he does that, you can remind him to invent his own way of communication and stop using one created with science.