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IamOlusa:
I would love to chat with you privately.

Okay. Hope no problem?

Was God rejoicing in your tears for those 5 years?

Jamb score - 221
Putme - 20/50
Admission - Probably by connection. A definite candidate for third-class.
My comments - Congrats, anyway is still a way.


But wait, is this Lalasticlala a robot that pushes any post to the front page?

OkaiCorne:
Have you heard of alternate realities and other planes of existence?

Just to add, have you done some research on the mysteries of time and space in the universe?

Honestly, on a personal note, it feels absurd to ignore the existence of a Creator. It feels like you created a robot... but the robot doesn't recognize you as its creator... perhaps due to how you programmed the robot or maybe due to other factors .

When it comes to robotics, it's a totally different phenomenon you people try to join as one. Life is a mystery, that's true and that includes everything that characterizes life such as time. But must we make a spirit the creator because we don't understand the mysteries?

The existence of a supernatural being doesn't explain anything, there's no empirical fact that support it. There's none.

OkaiCorne:
Have you heard of alternate realities and other planes of existence?

Still talking about the physical realms or the spriritual? That's he major difference, it's the possibilities of a realm or another, it's what realm is it? We can't assume there is a spiritual realm, we can't. I have been repeating this.

daveson07:
nd d answer is nt God

Well, your own answer is not God, but God is another answer that will fit that riddle in my own view.

Mind telling me your own answer?

OkaiCorne:
Good morning boss. Thanks for the clarification. Another question please.

If we agree energy is unconscious, but must be manipulated by Humans to achieve certain goals. Why can't this viewpoint be extrapolated on a larger scale to conclude that Universal energy is also manipulated as a tool by an intelligent life form to create objects such as planets, comets, stars e.t.c. that we can see in the universe?

Good afternoon. You see brother, you have to withdraw from this unseen intelligent life you are imagining. Humans are physical and energy is physical. Any intelligent being that will manipulate energy must be physical and humans will be able to see it. This intelligent being would be eating to maintain its existence, this intelligent being must be able to gain and lose energy but the opposite is the case, right?. To be sincere, it's not like I don't want a God to exist or want it to exist. If it truly exists and it's discoverable by the practicable principles I know, which is science, then I'll believe what's true.

But, the idea of God started when there was no science, when there was no answer to the things the men who lived saw. It's obvious that all that was written came as a result of the inability to discern. That is why they even attributed evil to the God they want us to serve. I wouldn't serve a God who would do evil for any sort for a greater good, is that the only way to achieve a greater good? There's nothing like that. All these concepts were created by men, cavemen who if being called ignorant men, you'll still be on point. Energy cannot be manipulated by spirits, albeit they don't exist.

daveson07:
wrong

I didn't provide the answer, I know it's God. However, I just used weekend instead of wicked. I meant, your signature is wicked.

OkaiCorne:
Okay boss... You know I actually learnt a few things from our interesting discussions. I was thinking and the following questions came up:

1) Is Universal Energy Potential or Kinetic Energy?

2) If it is potential energy, can it create universal materials like planets, asteroids and comets in that state?

3) If it is Kinetic energy, what could be the trigger for its conversion from its Potential state?

1) Universal Energy is not a definite form of Energy, hence the name Universal. It could be any form of energy in its manifestation. Like one way or the other, it's still part of it that we use as our energy currency, ATP, the chemical energy responsible for life.

2)You are still making a mistake when you say energy creates. Energy cannot create, you have to be intelligent to create and intelligence is not one of the energy's attributes. Nevertheless, this universal energy is just a source of power to natural causes. Natural causes have no direction. An earthquake can sweep people out all out today where rain just fell on crops. Natural disasters don't have direction too and it doesn't care about who is affected.

3)Like I said, it can be any form of Energy. But to clear the confusion of kinetic and potential energy. Potential and Kinetic energy are only concerned when you mention a body in motion, an object or a particle. Energy conversions take place at every moment. Energy is the sole of existence. Say, for instance, the earth. The earth is undergoing free fall in its orbit. And since this is happening by the action of a particular force(gravitational) through a certain distance, in this case, radians, there is a certain amount of universal energy being used. We cannot do anything without this thing call energy.

OkaiCorne:
Thanks bigger boss

Yeah I was looking at all sorts of intervention. Either through force or any other possible means science can manipulate energy.

The truth is that it is possible, Potential energy does not mean that the energy is static. The energy is only stored and used when the object that possesses the energy is moving and consequently converted to kinetic energy. But the body or object must have another type of energy interactions which migh cause the potential energy to be used or converted to kinetic energy.

OkaiCorne:
Good morning bro...

Trust you had a refreshing night rest. I also hope your day started on a bright note.

Quick one please... is it possible for potential energy to become kinetic energy without any sort of intervention?

Welcome back boss. A sort of intervention as how, a force?

ashjay001:



Ur ogas, d scientists, dont even know wtf they are doing! Be changing their minds n positions, since time immemorial! So, how does both ur opinions on a deity hold any water![


Do u know, german scientists av been able to confirm an afterlife?

Can you try to pretend to be sensible by not throwing abusive words around for once? Act as an intellectual you are portraying yourself as or is it that painful that I deny the existence of whatever God you worship? Am I responsible for your stupidity?
If you have any point to raise as to the existence of your imaginary friend, type it and let's see. Beginning an e-war wouldn't make God send angels to your aid if he exists. I don't want to derail this thread and fill with going back and forth with you, if that's too mature for you to carry, go and pour your frustrations elsewhere.

Now to address your post.
Believing and disbelieving in a diety is a personal thing. You only come together with people when you have the same line of thoughts with them. Christians and Muslims don't have the same line of thoughts about God, and their disagreement is obvious even to a new born. I don't have ogas anywhere when it comes to believing that God doesn't exist. I started the journey personally and I don't need anybody to put me through. And that's unlike you who might have religious leaders or someone you look unto. Can you grasp the difference between us?

Seriously, I am disappointed you don't know a lot of things. But you place yourself as someone who knows. It is a big big crime. Just stop already. Science and atheism are two different things, I expected you to know that already, but unfortunately, you don't. There are scientists who are theists, there are scientists who are atheists. I'm glad you learnt that from me. So, you can continue to research on what you have learnt here now.

Scientists didn't confirm an afterlife where you go to heaven or go to hell. They only said, the brain still functions for a few minutes after death. Which I knew even before you could help yourself out by browsing it. It's a pity that science has suffered so much in the hands of the ignorant ones, it's really a pity and I weep for science. Well keep coming up with what you don't understand, I will keep explaining them to you.

ashjay001:
To me, when a programmer claims not to believe in a god, its like saying AI came to be, without d input of a supreme intelligence It was a result of d evolution of d internet. A self creating programme from all other brilliant programmes available

Do u know how ignoramusly that sounds
Thats how amazed I am at atheistical foolishness!

Is this what amazes you about atheism? Wow, so much thoughts you have there. Now read below.

1) Do you agree that we are supreme to AI when it comes to intelligence? Your words show you are, but why are you "self preserving" yourself from something you're more intelligent and powerful than? Why are you so bothered about the communication that can ensue between AIs since we are still superior to them? Brother it seems your logic is coming back to hunt you, isn't it? Now who is sounding ignoramously? Now I am more amazed about your theism indeed.
Theism is an illusion which you just showed. You said we should stop creating AI because they can be dangerous, and be more powerful, now to claim or show that there must something that created us, you implied we are superior than AI because we created them. Are you confused? Come let me help you.

2) Atheism is not foolish, you just need to give it a chance in your life. We were not created by something immaterial. We must have been created by something material because we are physical. This is reality sir, face it. This is what could have happened. Energy vs Spirit, I have chosen Energy because it is more logical and reasonable to me. So, if some scientists can't see it and some can see it the way I see it, why are you hurt about it?

This is not a competition, if you don't have anything logical to bring to the table than jabs, go and take a piss, please.

ashjay001:
And, pls, cut out any assumptions! As a supposedly thinking man, jumping to assumptions is quite unbecoming. Also, since u do a lot of reading, u need to upgrade on ur comprehension n deductive reasonings. Improve on ur ability to recognise salient points. It tends to delay ur exposure as a nincompoop.

I am not surprised to read this from someone who have been assuming things in real life based on fictions like MATRIX. I guess the line above clearly addresses your situation.

JMAN05:
That's not strange if you know Him. He can allow something to happen if there is a reason to do so. He sis allow Satan to test Job to prove a point. How does it make Him clueless?

I will suggest you read Job 1:6 very well. Job was probably enjoying himself before the deal between God and Satan took place behind him. He didn't even consented. God had to make Job go through hell to prove a point to Satan, right? It still doesn't add up bro.

ashjay001:
What else can I expect from someone who thinks, after all our discussions, that I believe in d bible? Cant expect ur brain to pick out all my salient points, too limited for that!?

Quite surprised u've been replying promptly, seems u just loaded data. It normally takes u 12hrs to reply before.


Yeah! I'm a small boy, still being fed by my parents!? Really dont expect u to come up with anything better than that, with ur limited mental dexterity.




U're past ur bed time, anyway!

You're still here nigga!! Your ma's gonna mad at ya.
Why not go and sleep the stress off and we'll continue in the morning. You started throwing words around and I really don't have the strength for that. Just go to bed already. About the data I buy, well I don't have any comment to make. I will not drag myself in order to make a random useless boy orgasm. This e-war seems to be where you excel most in your life.

And thinking you believed the bible was just an assumption. Grow up and get familiar with probable terms to use. You mentioned a supreme intelligence which doesn't make you less of the ignoramuses I have met in my life. Whatever book you read or believe, for you to believe in any being whatsoever superior to you who lives in the sky, you're just one more fool. Now go to bed boy.

budaatum:
Did you notice how god evolved all through the book? Give enough time and they'll be preaching that god actually created evolution. Perhaps it can become the Quartenity - God the father, God the son, God the holy ghost and God the evolutionary.

The language thing comes from the days when Yahweh only understood Latin. No one knew the likes of Martin Luther would rise up to the heavens, grab a copy and translate it into vernacular.

They don't annoy me though. A few years before I started on the Bible (about 9yo), I had an argument with someone who claimed rats spoke. One day, he pointed to Mickey Mouse on telly and yelled, "hey, you see? Oyinbo rats speak". I of course was speechless. But as the book says, they must be forgiven for they know no more than they have been taught.

Lol, your savagery is legendary. The Quarternity shii got me laughing my teeth out. Don't mind those folks. The concept of God has explained the complexities of life like it was the Bible that told us the Anopheles mosquito transmits malaria. Or it was the Bible that told us about the retrovirus that causes HIV. I am just sick of this people. It's not as if they really annoy me too though, it's just that their ignorance has become unbearable.
Yahweh probably still don't speak English, I won't be surprised. He now understands gibberish too, the one they call speaking in tongues.
I actually noticed the evolution of God, it was from God the fury to God the loving. Brother, I wish I could just touch their brains and ease their pains.

ashjay001:
Fear of what exactly! Seems u're a person!


U read ignorant! I read btw d lines n realised u know nothing! A mouthed programmer! Look at ur cv, if u're any good a programmer, u wont need to be a jack of all trade!?

If u experience half of what I av, u would av gone kolo! How can u be opened minded, yet deny d presence of a supreme intelligence? U worship science, yet science cant explain a quarter of d complexity present in life!


U close ur mind to knowledge, but have d effrontery to accuse a virtual stranger of fear?!

Guy!? I've got brain fatigue! U're worse than ipobs!

You should go and sleep, brother. I 'm too tired for this tonight, Sleep well.
Science says "hi" and it told me to warn you not to speak ill of it because it has explained more than a quarter of the complexities of life, those you people tagged as vitalism. It was actually the Bible that guarded the researchers to the cure for malaria when it was an epidemic disease. It was actually the Bible we read all through while I was studying Biochemistry in School. It is actually the Bible the medical doctors read all through for 6 years in school. In fact, it is the bible the Science community give Nobel prize for.

As a matter of fact, science is better being worshipped than your imaginary friend who lives in the sky

I am not a jack of all trade, I am an autodidact. I doubt you know what that means. I studied Biochemistry and taught myself computer programming. That's something you're never gonna be. We are not much that can do that. And that my cv is better than 10 of yours joined together. I am sure you are a boy who is still deluded about a lot of things, so I won't really go back and forth with you. If you don't want to go to bed now, you can go and play with toys. But if you decide to sleep, look down two lines.

Good night, fella.

Ken4Christ:
If you are the President of a nation and rented a mansion for your first son to stay for the rest of his life. Then, your son somehow gambled with the house and lost it to another person who happened to be your enemy. Will it be lawful for you to use your power to recover the lost house which your enemy got on legal ground? Certainly not. Your enemy will resist every attempt to get it back unlawfully.

In the same sense, God cannot kill Satan because he is God. God gave the earth to Adam but Adam lost his dominion to Satan at the Garden of Eden. So, Satan obtained the right to rule legally and God cannot take it from him unlawfully.

He is a just God and he must act in such a way that he is just to man, Satan and himself. This is the reason he sent Jesus. He paid the penalty for the error of man. Legally, man is free from the dominion of Satan. But Satan's lease on earth has not expired.

Besides God is giving everyone the opportunity to repent. If he destroys Satan now, so many souls will perish as a new kingdom will start immediately.

So, until the gospel is preached and every soul is given the opportunity to be saved, Satan will continue for a short while.

When the time comes, Satan will be destroyed and cast into the Lake of fire.

God cannot do and undo. He is not a crooked God. Everything he does is in righteousness.

Yes, I will, if I am not just called the all-powerful in name but the all-powerful in deeds, I will use all my power to recover the house and my enemy will tremble when he sees me. Why will he tremble? Because I made him. After all, God chased the devil from heaven when he challenged him, is that lawful to you? Albeit I don't believe in the story anymore, but is it lawful? Of course not, so don't bring laws here because according to religion, God is not bound by law.

Like I said up there, I was thought that the law doesn't tie God down because he is above all. What are you saying?
Besides, what was God doing that he allowed Satan in Eden? Satan must have been killed before he went down to Eden. Did God see what was going to happen? If God didn't know Adam was going to be deceived, then he can't see tomorrow. It was all a gamble, maybe Adam will fall or he will not fall.

God can kill Satan without souls perishing. If he can't do that then he can't do everything.
God has been doing and undoing, and he is above everything crooked. When he allegedly destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, who held him for that? When he destroyed the world with water, was he not praised for that? When he killed their firstborns in Egypt was he not worshipped for that? Excuse me, your answers brought more questions you have to be honest while answering.

budaatum:
I never heard anyone say that. Did you by chance read it properly, from beginning to end, with little or no prior priming?

Genesis to revelation.
The people who listened then when I preached it now say I wasn't reading it with the spirit of God then. I wonder why they didn't discover I didn't have the spirit then.

Those who didn't know me too have an opinion of the spirit I had when I was a Christian. It's all messed up. I swear.

Their common statement that annoys me is that you need the spirit to interpret the bible which was written in English. Why didn't they write in the language of the spirits or the ones they speak in heaven.

ashjay001:
Guy, I rest my case!? Seems u grew up in fear, always at ur fingertips!


Nothing wrong, in knowing ur limits, than arguing with one who uses a laptop, yet claims to be better than guys using a super computer!?


Enjoy ur delusions, I'm out! Ciao

It's nice to know your limits when you're not making any valid points. It's nice to know you gave up. It's good because it was already getting boring with you with the amount of fear you have allayed here today. It almost derailed the purpose of this thread. I am not claiming to know more than super-programmers, you can't find that line in my comments. I can see that you don't comprehend the difference between bravery and knowledge. On the other hand, I am claiming to know more than you concerning AIs, which is very true.

But before you go, take this with you because I know you must not have thought about it for once.

Despite that I am just using a laptop, there are millions of supercomputer users who are not scared at exploring the world of machine learning. And despite that a number of them are scared, they keep working hard to create more intelligent machines with multi-billion dollars projects. And that's why we are having breakthroughs every day. Now if they were feeble-minded like you, they would all have stopped working.
Your fears can't stop anything. I guess that should spoil your day. Good night.

ashjay001:
I can see u're that good, thats why u're working for google or apple!

You see what you have resorted to? It's a shame though.
But let me quickly quote you to bring your faults out wide in the open, I know you won't see it but then I'll still try.

Must I be working for Google or Apple before I can be bold not to piss in my pants at the mention of AIs? Unlike you who must be struggling to dry your trousers of wetness the fear of AIs has given you.

ashjay001:
Consumate professional scientists are scared, but trust a fanatical baby atheist to thread where giants fear to go!?

Please, for the sake of clarity tell us the exact numbers of the consummate professional scientists that are scared, is it the whole community or the feeble minded ones like you?

ashjay001:
Facebook programmers are scared, but I should believe u're bold enough? Can u give me a little of that ur confidence booster?

So, because facebook programmers are scared, the whole world too must be scared or the whole community of programmers should run helter-skelter? Like I said, it's a shame, really it is. I don't know why you reason this way, but it really is very disappointing.

ashjay001:
They say some is AI-Artificial Intelligence, u claim dey should block a port? Why create it, if u cant let it into d wide web? Or allow it unfettered access? Mere humans escape their tethers, u now think AI can be controlled, if allowed to escape?

Obviously, I have been responding to someone who doesn't know a pin about AI programming. I thought you said you have read about AIs. Brother, just keep mute and learn. Ports can be blocked without tampering with the functioning of the AI. Why do you commit the crime of talking about what you don't know?

ashjay001:
Guy, I always knew it took a drop of d unreasonable to create a fanatic! Religious or atheist!

On this one. I'll allow your conscience to do the work, who's a fanatic between you and me? Say it loud, please.

daveson07:
Jupiler LEAGUE in NETHERLANDS nd also 3rd on d table wit 20 points

Your signature is weekend...

ashjay001:
Dont make me laugh joor!?


Have tot of AI being unleashed on d internet? Taking control of pple's lives, because it knows better?

Can u imagine AI trading in forex or shares? With its ability to access n process info at speeds man can only dream of? How do u shut that off? What does man do, when it replicates itself to avoid destruction? Takes control of our armaments?


I dont think u recognise d ramifications of allowing AI to escape into d world!

Tell me this post I quoted does not smell of fear. You are afraid yet you're denying it, why? Brother, why? Let me tell you something about programming. Do you know why Facebook, Instagram and other mobiles SM apps keep updating their apps? It's because they are either making it better or making it better.
No AI can know better than it's programmers, research that statement. Too much of fictional movies will do nothing but create fear in your mind. You're talking about matrix as if it's real life. Matrix was a literary work of fiction based on AIs, how dare you bring it into the discussion?

Programmers can block AIs from communicating by blocking all their ports. If they don't then the ports will automatically be used by the machine if it is open. A bot which is not programmed to kill will not kill. No matter what we program, we are still in control

How dare you even assert that I don't know what AI is all about, I am the programmer here, you're not. Cancel your fears, my friend.

Abeg, go and read on machine learning and erase your fears. Then come to discuss with me on the wonders of AI

greencard:
[/s][s] I don't even know what to tell you.. but I now get where you are coming from .. the " GOD FACTOR" is your headache. get well soon

You need getting well from the God factor instead, it seems to have made you sick. Where was God when the woman was about to fall? I am not bothered by God because I know whatsup already, I am only bothered about those who have died and those who will die all because they refused to do what's needed but instead will call God to heal them. A call he will not answer because he is not there. In order not to derail this thread however, I advise the OP to seek standard medical treatment for his MOM, no matter the cost. He should not listen to the ignoramuses shouting God and spiritual bruhaha here. It is not beyond medical treatment.

JMAN05:
This article could help. Read all, but if you have less time, start from "A VITAL ISSUE IS RAISED". There is a good answer that can help.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/why-does-god-allow-suffering/#?insight[search_id]=1839817b-838b-4b52-9b37-8fecd1e7ae7d&insight[search_result_index]=0

Seriously you should not have posted this link, it is the most laughable resources I have read in years. WTF do you Jehova witness people think? Even when I was a Christian, I had been disagreeing with you people since I was a child. Please brother, that article discouraged me the more. God is indeed clueless. They even said God allowed wickedness, meaning he could stop it but he chose to let it continue. What a God.

ashjay001:
Saw this n remembered u

Although I doubt the credibility of this, what is the problem if AIs talk in a language? Remember that talk is a literal word used for bridging. Two AIs can connect with themselves, the problem is that we are not ready yet for what we are venturing into. Weren't they supposed to prepare for the possibilities? You said they shut it down, that's a sign that despite that the AIs connected, the programmers were still in control. We are supposed to know beforehand that AIs will connect and give them the chance to do so, but fear will not let Man develop. It's all about fear. Fear of Hell, Fear of AIs, Fear of God, Fear of this, Fear of that.

greencard:
if only you knew my family background you won't quote me with such assertions. My mum issa nurse infact I'm surrounded by medics of all sort ..just let me stop here.

I call GOD and i will forever do

Your family background does not mean your family is the best medical family oga. In fact, just tell us how many of them studied abroad? Tell us how many of them have won Nobel prize in medicine? Please and please, remove vitalism from medicine, it's dragging our country back, this issue is not beyond medicine. If your family is a medic family, show them and let them do more work in proffering a solution than calling who can't do anything.

greencard:
can u provide a picture of that if u can and he can get it?
As for those coming here to form enlightened..i pity u. U didn't read the part he said ..doctor couldn't find anything wrong with her abi?

May God heal you mum and provide you the wisdom to go about the whole issue

And do you know that there are doctors and there are doctors? Do you want to compare general hospitals to teaching hospitals? Or you don't know there are large differences between them? I guess only those of us forming enlightened can know, not people like you who call God.

ThuGnificenX:
She fell and injured her leg last year. The injury healed but afterwards the leg started decaying now it has spread to the other leg in the same position.
The doctors at the general hospital has run series of tests including diabetes which they confirmed her blood sugar is okay.
We haven't seen anything like this before.
Please can someone help with a drug that can help.
She has been on antibiotics and other drugs ever since.

It may be arthritis or a disease related to arthritis. Take her to a teaching hospital where they will test for anything possible. Don't take her to any community hospital, the charges may be high but all the best. You can also try herbs, they work too.

cytell56:
Don't blame you. You lack knowledge of the fact that anything you see in the physical already was made manifest in the spiritual. Sorry for your shortsightedness

With your longsightedness, how many spirits have you seen in your life? Please, swerve and don't come and open a church on this thread.

pinkbae:
Village people at work

When will you people ever have sense? You cannot even say something reasonable.

agwaisrael:
This sort of tone is what discourages people daily. There is no advice here, no answer to the question, it's just useless.

It's in our drive to learn and achieve more that people became programmers and battle new challenges, at least for me.

It not your fault though, it's the Nigerian mentality, originating from our education sector. There's nothing stopping this guy from creating the next autodesk alternative today...

The main problem with Nigerians is the lack of comprehension. You definitely lack it. I am not surprised you didn't see the advice in my comment, instead, you are crying about the tone. The OP already responded and I don't need to justify what I said to him because he already digged it. Now Mr self-righteous best adviser, motivation is key, not what people say to you. If you are influenced by what people say, why become a programmer in the first place? I only challenged the guy and motivated him to become better first then explore the world of programming. If you didn't see that? It's not my problem. Good day.

privatetisa:
Okay. Can I call you now? And if it's already late for you, I'll call you tomorrow morning. Thanks.

Sure, you can call now.

privatetisa:
I have updated the algorithm.
Ok. I'll contact you. Thanks.

Okay, I'll prefer you call instead. If you can't then Telegram would be okay because I am currently off Whatsapp for personal reasons.
Cheers.