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gidgiddy:
What do you mean that the Biafran currency is banned? Is the Biafran currency circulating anywhere as legal tender? Are people using it to trade anywhere? So why should anyone be arrested for having Biafran currency?

There is a board game called monopoly. Monopoly currency is used to play this game. So anyone seen with this game should be arrested for having monopoly money? Laughable

Is there a board game called biafra? That's the difference and you are not seeing it.

Biafra is a menace to the Nigerian government and everything concerning it is banned. And it is constitutional. Let's face facts here and stop bringing unrelated analogies.

Or is Biafra a game to you, why bring up monopoly, it's unrelated abeg.

In a country where ipobs have been labeled terrorists, anybody seen with the Biafran flag, currency or passports will be brought to the book. How can you not understand that?

DontForceUnity:
Biafra remains the greatest nightmare of the Yorubas that will come to past in the future.

I'll remember you if it doesn't happen. Good night.

gidgiddy:
Thsts like saying people should be arrested for having CFA Francs on them since CFA is not legal tender in Nigeria.

You obviously don't know the meaning of a legal tender.


The Biafran currency was specifically banned. CFA was not banned, and I don't think it's not accepted. Besides, it's the currency for identified and legal neighboring countries. Bringing it up is unnecessary.

OkaiCorne:
You just shot yourself in the foot by saying Planes of existence is not scientific. Do you really know this science you're talking about? Or just the part of science that suits your atheistic mindset?

Don't assume, just explain scientifically the planes of existence and drop your references.

And I maintain that any plane of existence written anywhere is part of esoteric cosmology which is not scientific at all in any form. The concept may be found in religious and esoteric teachings. On the other hand, you're the one who doesn't know what the planes of existence are. I have decided not to say anything about it and let you talk but you have refused.
Do you know that one of the claimed planes is a spiritual plane? How can science stoop so low to say there is a spiritual plane? Before you say something, please double check, I don't want to see you as someone who is incompetent. I am still shooting at you, not my foot.

Quote me wrong, I'm not running anywhere.

Babacele:
He has raised thought provoking questions that only a mystic can answer. How many do agree that the He created the tree of 'good and evil' from the beginning? It is a law that guides everything on earth- electricity, day n night, etc

It seems you guys have the same set of beliefs, can you help him answer the questions asked?

He said the planes of existence are responsible for the natural disasters we see around.
I then asked, who created these planes?
He answered again and said the eternal creator. And added that our ancestors have made choices that disrupted the plane of existence of earth
I then asked again, what are these choices?
Since then he has been dribbling me. Should I call it a day or you'll help him out?

OkaiCorne:
Asking if the Eternal Creator is physical is like asking a Human being to become an ant, just to prove its existence to ants.

By the way, I'm obsessed with the existence of the Eternal Creator as much as you are obsessed about it's non existence.

Firstly, I am not obsessed with its non-existence because I am certain of that already.
Secondly, for your eternal creator to be physical doesn't make him an ant, it will make him real. That's what reality is all about. We are talking about the existence of the unseen, using the analogy of the seen with the unseen is not logical. Let's be logical abeg.
Thirdly, answer my questions and let's move on. The planes of existence are not real nor scientific. Answer my questions so I can call your bluff.

What are the choices our ancestors made that are responsible for the natural disasters or the plain of the earth to shift?

frank317:
I am beginning to wonder if he is reading before replying... his whole answers sounds disjointed...

I ask... how do u know the creator is one spiritual being and not many aliens or super machines


Anf he replies... what if the ancestors can produce sexually or asexually...

Am kainda confused

The thing is this, he is so obsessed with this eternal creator of his and he cannot absorb other options. He wants to attribute everything to his eternal creator and he keeps doing it. He cannot answer the questions I am asking him because he knows where I am going to hit him, and when I do, I will hit him hard.
He is just happy to claim that there is a creator somewhere.

How does having parents relate to having a God? His analogies are what surprises me the more, it's like comparing black and white. Parents are physical, is his eternal creator physical? If they are both physical, that's when we can compare.

OkaiCorne:
No research, no discussion. I thought this was a knowledge sharing session... rather than proving who is right and wrong

This is not knowledge. Have I ever asked you to research anything? I started explaining the concept of energy to you without asking you to check it out. That's because I know what I was doing. Probably you don't know about this plane of existence yourself.

I have answered all your questions since last week and you're finding it difficult to answer mine now. If no discussion, then I take it as you don't know what you're talking about. If you're so confident of it, it won't matter if I believe it or not.

Your planes of existence are not even scientific, say what you gotta say or just don't say it. I guess it's obvious you don't know what your creator is, albeit he is nothing.

OkaiCorne:
Have you researched on alternate realities and planes of existence by scientists? If you haven't anything else I say cannot make sense to you.

I'm not running away, do your research. I'm waiting.

I don't know what's stopping you from telling us how the choices of our ancestors are responsible for the natural disasters we experience. You are talking about research as if they will tell me about the choices. Just mention the choices and let's move on.

OkaiCorne:
I want to assume you have done your research.

The planes of existence were designed to be in harmony as a single line. However, the Earth as we see it today results from the wrong choice of a few ancestors which has made these planes disconnected from one another.

The Earth was designed to depend on a more advanced plain to be in harmony, but owing to a wrong choice, the Earth is now in chaos like an abandoned baby.

Let me just laugh.

Okay, now that you want to blame our ancestors for shifting the plane of the earth due to a certain choice. Do you mind telling us the choice they made that disconnected the planets? I really want to know how a few choices can affect the big planet earth we live in.

OkaiCorne:
Try and use the example I gave you to see the bigger picture.

Can there be a product without a source?

As there cannot be an eternal creator without a source.

OkaiCorne:
The Eternal Creator who is beyond the illusion of time and space created these dimensions...

So, since you brought these dimensions up when I mentioned the tragedies befalling earth, such as earthquakes, tsunamis, flooding etc. Are you implying that these planes of existence created by the intelligent eternal creator are responsible for these tragedies?

OkaiCorne:
Yeah... the Creator enters any of these planes as He please...at the same time can have a helicopter view of these planes at the same time.

Why are you skipping direct questions? Who created these planes of existence? I didn't ask if the creator can enter or hire helicopters to enter them.

Some idiots are screaming why are they arrested, is it a legal tender in Nigeria?

OkaiCorne:
Read up on how parallel planes of existence intersects, you will know where I'm coming from. The Earth as we see it now is a flawed version of what it should actually be.

When you disconnect your laptop from a charging point the battery gradually dies off.

If you can't do the research, then there's no point having this conversation.

These planes of existence, does this intelligent creator by any chance know about them? Or was he the same who created them?

OkaiCorne:
In a world where I give my creation Freewill to do as they like, should I also be held responsible for the bad choices of my creation despite guiding them?

Go and read up on different planes of existence and how each plane intersects with each other.
You'll have an idea of how decadent this Earth came to be.

But let me respond to this before I pause. Are you implying that we humans are the cause of the disasters that we have experienced? Then why are they called natural disasters instead of artificial disasters? These things just happen, we didn't even cause 1% of the disasters. Why must you blame Humans all the time for everything? We are to blame for eating an apple, we are to blame for this and that. You people even went as far as saying when we were born, we were sinners by default. What's all that?

If your creator created this world, then he has done a very bad job, albeit he didn't.

OkaiCorne:
I guess you atheists are more interested in proving me wrong rather than learning.

Frank317, because you see your parents makes you believe they are your parents? What if they are not your parents? Or is everything you learnt in life limited to what you see with your physical eyes alone?

Is your learning limited to your sense of sight?

For now, let me just watch, we'll resume our discussion when you're done with Frank. I don't want you to be disturbed by having to reply us both.

frank317:
Lol and he forgets that the book was an idea of a human like him.

Perhaps the creator made the writer write in under 2hr and made him read to understand under 1hr

There is nothing you won't see from those who believe in a superintelligent being. I have even passed exams without having to read at all, even exams I went to write for people.

frank317:
I SEE my parents... i can conpare them with so many people out there and suggest reasons why i think they are my parents. They care for me... even if they are not my parents... their care is enough. We have so many similarities... i can ask them questions and they answer and if i think they are wrong i disagree and sought to resolve it, i have pictures of my mum with me even as an infant. I look like my cousins in different ways. I act like my dad.

Can u do any of these things with ur supposed creator? Can u even tell if its a them, him, her or it?

He can, but only through what he decides to think, not what he sees with his own eyes. Lol

OkaiCorne:
Have you read a 700 page textbook within hours to pass a tough exam at first attempt?

This made you believe in a creator? That's incredible.

OkaiCorne:
I'll be right back. I need to clear out some confusion in a physical discussion I'm having right now. Please be a bit patient. Thanks

You need to go and clear your head a bit. Are we both too much? Maybe I'll let Frank continue. You don't need to go.

OkaiCorne:
If you assumed I came up with a Creator, let me ask you a few questions.

1. How are you sure your parents are your real parents? Did you:

(a) Do a DNA test to confirm this?
(b) Ask for a video of what happened 9 months before your birth?
(c) Ask for a video of your mother in the labor room?

How did you know your parents are really your parents?

OkaiCorne:
If I had the power. YES!

These are the highlights of the fault in your arguments. You keep bringing analogies that don't apply to the bone of contention.

As a matter of fact, Frank asked if you know if your perceived creator is a them, she, or it. And you came up with his parents analogy.
Now answer this, can't he see and touch his parents? Can you touch or see your perceived creator? What's the analogy for?

On the creation of the earth. So you would create a planet earth that can shake and kill people? You would create a woeld where rain will fall and cause a flood that will kill people? I am not surprised you would though, that's what the God you believed in created.

OkaiCorne:
If I had the capacity to do so, why not?

Thanks to Science and other advancements in other areas of knowledge, Humanity is creating the world on its own terms.

Humanity will advance to a point where they can do this. I might sound ridiculous now, just as how Edison sounded ridiculous before inventing the bulb.

You didn't answer the question.
Here it is again. If you had the power to create the world, would you create it in the condition your perceived creator created it? Considering all the tragedies and good things of life.

OkaiCorne:
You are perfectly right in assuming that an intelligent life form, But it's not what religion paints Him/It to be. That's what I want atheists and theists to understand.

Does the universe look like something that was created by an intelligent being to you? Would you create this world like this if you had the power?

OkaiCorne:
Perfect response, can you know more than someone that is wiser than you?

Because you don't know more, does it stop you from Partnering with such a Person?

I can only know better with time as I get closer to such a being...

For assumption sake... imagine my sync level is at 20%, because I do not know it all...for now.


For the records, do not see me as an atheist or a theist. I am a free soul.

Strive to seek for the TRUTH, for it shall set you free.

If you are a truth seeker, then that would make you an atheist. If you believe a creator then that makes you a theist. You can't suddenly form a group out of nowhere which doesn't even apply to anything, but you appear more as an agnostic fellow.

But your creator doesn't seem to be someone. it lives in your perception. Perceptions are wrong 80% of the time. Face reality instead.

frank317:
U synchronize with what? U cant synchronize with what u dont understand... or perhaps u understand it thats why u synchronize with it, which brings me to the question i kept on asking u in our last discussion... how do u know what or who this creator u synchronize
With is? How do u know the creator is one and not many? What image comes to your mind when u mention the creator...what really are u synchronizing with

Good question, I focus on erasing his doubts rather than questioning his belief. Maybe questioning his belief would be a nice idea.

OkaiCorne:
The Eternal Creator is not a physical being nor a Spirit, but a combination of everything your sense can perceive.

By the way, you said a Spirit is not a life form...then what is it?

So the eternal creator exist in our perceptions? LoL, that's ridiculous. How then did it create all these things? No way.

A spirit as described is not a life form. Depending on how you define it, some call it will, strength, courage, disposition etc. According to those who believe in it, they said it doesn't die. Anything that does not die can't have a life form. Anything that cannot die cannot be said to be living.

A spirit, if I am to subscribe to the idea would only be a characteristic of life, not life itself.

OkaiCorne:
If Science needs energy to be manipulated by humans to achieve certain results...why can't an intelligent life form equally utilize Universal energy to create the planet you and I live on?

Or are you saying unconscious energy intelligently designed the solar system?

If energy is not responsible for the creation of the solar system we live in then what is responsible?

Tell me, do you manipulate the energy stored in you as ATP? When I say energy is self-conscious, it simply means it doesn't know that itself is called energy. You appear to have misunderstood my self-conscious points on energy. It doesn't mean energy require our manipulations all the time. Energy is self-manipulating. All you need to do is eat, then you will have ATP which will go to different compartments and do work there.

An intelligent life form you said, an intelligent life form cannot be a spirit because a spirit is not a life form. I hope you realize this? Are you then saying this God you believe in is a physical life form?

To you, is the solar system intelligent? Don't get it twisted sir. The sun can cause a lot of damage, hence it's not intelligently designed.

The universe is not a figurative object, you will need to stop seeing it as an orchestra. It is reality bro. Energy is real too

Maybe there were some beings before us, maybe there were some extraterrestrial beings that existed first before humans outside earth and they manipulate or created everything. But brother, they can't be spirits, they will have to be physical beings that we humans can see, and when we die we won't go and be in their kingdom, they will have limitations, they won't have angels or arch enemies, they don't require worships, they didn't make us from clay, they don't give prophecies, they are just physical and in high places.

But then, scientifically, there is still no empirical facts that prove such or the other(spiritual intelligence) exists anywhere. The only thing we are prepared for is any other life that exists out there but less powerful than the assumed physical creators.

OkaiCorne:
Two questions:
Is it possible for an Orchestra (Universe) to play a harmonious melody without a Choir Master (Creator)?

Is it possible for unconscious energy to create things on its own?

Your points on nature, I totally agree with it. I don't worship nature or "God", rather I synchronize with it to have a fruitful Partnership.

Only that the universe is not an orchestra and doesn't need a choir master.

Only that energy is not a creator and doesn't create things.

You keep repeating what has been addressed. Energy is the power that made all things non-living become living. We are a mass of non-living materials that use oxygen. We are proteins(non-living) made up by DNA(non-living). We don't need a creator, we only need energy.

Maybe there were some beings before us, maybe there were some extraterrestrial beings that existed first before humans outside earth and they manipulate or created everything. But brother, they can't be spirits, they will have to be physical beings that we humans can see, and when we die we won't go and be in their kingdom, they will have limitations, they won't have angels or arch enemies, they don't require worships, they didn't make us from clay, they don't give prophecies, they are just physical and in high places.

But then, scientifically, there is still no empirical facts that prove such or the other(spiritual intelligence) exists anywhere. The only thing we are prepared for is any other life that exists out there but less powerful than the assumed physical creators.

OkaiCorne:
Good morning boss... your statement which I just quoted and bolded sums up my challenge with atheists and religious people in general. Trying to figure out the existence of an Eternal Creator is just like using the mental power of an ant to understand a Human Being.

If Science is still on a journey to figuring out whether or not a Creator like "God" exists, I have left that bus stop a long time ago, because the abundant evidences in nature alone (forget Bible and other "Holy" books) aligns perfectly with my common sense.

I must confess, I remain grateful to you though, in my quest for the TRUTH, I have learnt two major things from you;

1) How higher life forms are a product of one-celled organisms.
2) The place of Energy in the scheme of things.

It was really insightful having a productive discussion with an atheist in my quest for TRUTH. I have learnt something from you that no one will teach me in a religious gathering.

Even though we may not agree on everything, I look forward to more fruitful discussions with you going forward.

It seems you have an open mind, and that is what I really admire.

Cheers and Happy Sunday

Good morning. I quickly want to address your points which came as a reply to my comments you bolded. Life is a mystery, yes, a mystery that can be unraveled. Science particularly has been doing a great unraveling what was unknown. Nobody knew genes, cells, molecules some 2000 years ago. At least, now we know and we know how to cure some deadly diseases now, all thanks to science.

The answer to the mysteries of the world is SCIENCE, no doubts.

Religion or the assumption of a spiritual being doesn't bring any knowledge or solution to the mysteries. What religion does is "assume" a creator and leaves it at that. I don't want to be part of that assumption, and the mystery we are striving to understand also does not serve as an empirical fact that something exists out there. Now we know what happens when two couples have sex and one conceives, now we know what happens when mosquitoes bite us, Now we know the name and mode of action of many bacteria, now we can treat Typhoid knowing what we are doing, now we can do a whole lot of things, and all these didn't come by the holy spirit, all these didn't come because we kept assuming, all these came by SCIENCE.

The input of a God is not seen because through this same science where all things are being known, we cannot see the possibility of some spirit creating us or the world.
Now you argue that it is like trying to understand human beings with the mental power of ants, I say no to that analogy and I'll briefly give my reasons.
You would be surprised that ants understand us in their own way and they see our possibility. They know we exist and they try as much as they can to avoid us. What I am saying and will keep saying is, if there is a God who created this world, then that God must be a physical being. The only thing physical that is worthy of attributing the power of creation to is Energy, but it is not self-aware and does not require being worshipped.
There is no empirical fact or anything that hold water that gives evidence for the existence of spirits. Whether it be of God, Satan or humans.

Even if God has hidden his own spirit from us, at least we should be able to test for the spirit of men. But there is nothing like that.

Nature is big, yes we may not understand it all, but nature is not God, is it? But is nature fit to be worshipped?
To me, religious people have mistaken nature for an intelligent being, we are not intelligently made, there are lots of faults in us.

This misunderstanding of nature, that made men to think there is someone powerful who made them, is unreasonable and I withdraw from it.

trytillmake:
As specified in my post angularjs if u know how to use a framework; better.

Seen some CV'S already but not up to the cut, keep it coming we need 2, if taken, u start next week do not forget being a graduate.

A graduate of computer science compulsorily?

doctorregular01:
NL now uses the artificial intelligence feature. The way posts make FP these days

Or NL has appointed zombies...