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ibromodzi:
I really don't know. Any hint?

To make it an android app, you need VISUAL STUDIO. Especially 2017 version. You can make it a shared library code for both Android and iOS. See my Visual studio below

These noobs are always in a rush. Why not calm down and learn more? Do you think you are good to go because you know how to write a simple prompt or how to print out a statement and declare a class? That's just the basic. Give yourself more time to be conversant with the language and then become an intermediate or a junior developer. It takes time. It was just two weeks ago someone was trying to put you through how to set up Java environment on your PC. And you suddenly think you are ripe to create applications after 2 weeks? Hell no

theManOfGod:
Thank you all for your advice. I have completed the GPA calculator and have started practising exercises from "Java How To Program" and "Big Java". If you have any other thing to add, I wouldn't mind.

As a noob that you are, I'll advise you to listen to Asalimpo. You cannot face real-life problems by just watching The New Boston's (Bucky Roberts) 87 Java videos. I have all the videos too, they are not in-depth. Bucky only introduced the concepts so you may read more on them. Read and solve more until you become an intermediate in the language. More power to your elbow.

privatetisa:
I need a 'statistical' mobile app. Can you develop it for me?
A brief 'statement algorithm' of the app is:

1.) Select any 5 different numbers from numbers 00 to 89.
2.) Put the 5 numbers selected randomly in a list labelled ListA; eg ListA = {74 37 00 89 10}.
3.) Create an updatable list (that I'll be able to update from time to time). This list will be labelled

Is that all you want in the algorithm? I believe there's more.
Contact me for a lengthy discussion on the App and the language you prefer. I can use Java, C++ and C#

08069271881
akindavid84@gmail.com

Will be expecting to hear from you.

OkaiCorne:
Now you are trying to categorize me into one of the prevailing belief systems on earth. Just call me a TRUTHSEEKER.

There is no religion under Heaven that has monopoly of the TRUTH...

For the records...I'm not a Christian but a TRUTHSEEKER

Do you know Jesus was a Judaist? Do you know he followed and practised the religion of Moses calling the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Truthseeker, but you have a definition of a truth in your mind already. I am happy you agreed to the energy explanations I gave you, but you didn't accept it.

Let's really stop here. It's been wonderful discussing with you. But I don't mind if you're still interested in further discussions now or maybe later.

otr1:
Isn't it ironic calling God a Tyrant seeing what you wish He had done to satan for his rebellion? I bet you know what a typical Tyrant would do to rebels. For the rest of your points up there, yea, it's ok for you to blame God for the gift of free will choice...he never had issues with other animals/living creatures.

Either way, isn't it ironic? But it would have been reasonable if God had cut off the finger that sinned instead of allowing Man to suffer for it. Don't you think so? Any ruler who punishes rebels is not a tyrant. Or not so?
Are you saying other animals don't have free will? Think about that again, please.

otr1:
It was recorded in the Bible that God sent Jesus to destroy the work of satan(ie, sin). The true intent of satan, no doubt, had been made manifest even before the coming of Jesus. Satan was created perfect (Ezekiel 28:13-15). He once loved God,but then, he has free will. Call that a flaw if you want

Destroy means to eliminate, but that's not the case, is it? Satan was created perfect, yeah we've all heard that before. But see this - Can what God creates go bad? Did God know this before it happened? If it's a flaw, that means God is not perfect. Yeah?

OkaiCorne:
Go check out a part of the book of revelation that said stars will fall from heaven if the book was written in the literal sense then I leave you to conclude on the possibility of stars falling from heaven. Also recall that this book was written when technology wasn't what it is now.

That is just one out of the numerous instances of misrepresentation, lies and errors. But let's end it here...

So you agree that you are a Christian but you just don't believe some things in the Bible? Nice.
Since God can do anything, there's no big deal if the stars fall lol.
Are you a Jehova Witness?

OkaiCorne:
I am working on a diary. The worst form of lie is a partial truth (99% truth, 1% lie) and this is where religion has deceived Humanity.

Thankfully...we are in an Age of Mental Liberation from this bondage. I don't care what I evolve into, as long as myself, my Creator and Humanity is better off for it.

I'm sure if you met Jesus one on one...you'll call him an atheist or agnostic because even the religious people of His time totally misunderstood him My conscience is clear...I bear no ill-will to anyone.

Cheers

So you're attaining the status of Jesus now by becoming one with God by claiming to raise your sole power to him and become one with him, abi? Now it's becoming clearer what you are trying to paint. Are you the Jesus of our time?

I had to edit this when I remembered Jesus said you people should be like him, is that what you are doing? Creating another controversy? Lol, Bro you're a Christian, I just don't know why it's so hard for you to accept it. Okay let me assume it's because you don't believe Jesus was God, you believe Jesus was a man who threaded the path you're threading right now. I just realized you never disagreed God has a son because you subscribe to the whole Jesus story too. Wonderful.

No wonder you said some part of the Bible is filled with lies and errors while some are filled with the truth. You believe the teachings of Christ, what part of the bible is filled with lies? Can you say?

OkaiCorne:
Doomed ke...if the TRUTH will take me to Hell, then forget it...because even Hell will never make me believe in a Lie.

And the Holy Books says...the TRUTH shall set you free...so I got nothing to fear bro

The same holy book where truth and lies were mixed? Wonderful.

OkaiCorne:
That takes us back to the basics...

Do not depend on written TRUTH alone ("Holy" books that mix TRUTH with lies and errors), place more reliance on unwritten TRUTH (Obtained by meditation, intuition, common sense, wisdom and dependence on the Spirit of the Eternal One). Where there's a contradiction...just know there is a lie or error somewhere...

Your point of view works for you...Just as mine works for me. My meat might be your poison...but there's no harm in trying all the same...

My thought process goes beyond the Bible...I do not believe in applying ancient solutions to modern problems...although certain solutions are still ETERNAL e.g. Power in the name of Jesus e.t.c.

I do not want to pour old wine in new wineskin...but that doesn't mean the old wine is totally useless or is it?

Do not depend on written TRUTH alone ("Holy" books that mix TRUTH with lies and errors), place more reliance on unwritten TRUTH (Obtained by meditation, intuition, common sense, wisdom and dependence on the Spirit of the Eternal One). Where there's a contradiction...just know there is a lie or error somewhere...

Written truth mixes truth with lies and errors. Shouldn't you call it written half-truths instead? Your understanding and description of things really make me laugh hard though.
In this "written truth" of yours, it was stated that this book contains all you'll need to find God. Your statement has pointed to the fact that you believe the bible to an extent.

You're tending towards accepting atheism, you don't want to totally accept it now because you feel you might be doomed. Well, you are disbelieving religion or better yet Christianity, but you think you can hold on to God, your version of Eternal one without Christianity.

From here you will become an agnostic, and then finally find peace with atheism. I am exhausted too, I wish this was happening over nice drinks and pepperish ponmo. Well, we'll catch later. I also have a diary to write and a program to debug.

OkaiCorne:
Okay bro, but we are not totally dissimilar in what we are saying as well.

Onto Question 1: I sought "God" and in return for a fruitful partnership, there are certain agreements that should be . Again the Christian Bible can give you a clue inasmuch as I don't want to reference the Bible...it is a book that contains incontrovertible principles (TRUTH)

You have the same God as described in the bible, you just have your way of understanding him which is not much different from the Bible's God.

I was a deep Christian, a preacher before I saw all the lies. There's nothing the Bible can offer except more lies.

OkaiCorne:
Question 1: The Eternal One is not another Idol to be worshipped... you have to be in sync (be one with Him/It) so you can become the TOTAL MAN. It's like tapping into a boundless reservoir of ENERGY to do more than what you will ordinarily do by your limited energy. You achieve this through meditation and asking of questions by mind and mouth...

Question 2: I can use my life as an experience and not some religious books. I seeked Him out and found Him

Question 3: The Uncreated One knows every possible outcome to everything subject to my choice and decisions and that of others considering the impact of time as well (FREEWILL & TIMING) ...It's like node programming or finding your way out through a maze...

1) I am not asking if he is an idol, I am asking if this eternal one requires some sort of allegiance from you. But I guess your answer pointed to the fact that it does. Which means this your eternal one is conscious of who he is, you don't need to ask energy questions because it doesn't even hear anything and it doesn't answer too. Your eternal one is unlike Energy though.

2)I can understand from the number 1.

3) If the uncreated one only knows the outcome and not the choice itself, meaning it cannot read your mind, but definitely know the outcome. It is like the God in a way and unlike Energy. Energy does not know anything we do, we only use it. Energy doesn't know if I will decide to eat rice for dinner and maybe I will purge if I do. God, on the other hand, is supposed to know but he doesn't. Your eternal one doesn't know either, he only knows if I will purge if I decide to eat rice.

So, this erases the facts that we are talking about the same thing.

OkaiCorne:
Instead of calling Him/it God, I rather see Him as the

1.) Uncreated One,
2.) The starting point behind the creation of everything seen and unseen
3.) The Eternal One.

Study Science, Nature and Religion closely. You will see a pattern where one does not contradict the other. Under ideal circumstances, these three things amongst other things work together in Harmony...but it takes wisdom to pick out the common pattern. To the ordinary eye it seems they are contradicting each other...but they are not if you see the BIGGER PICTURE

Everything seen and unseen(I think Science calls unseen stuff dark matter) has its source from Him/It.

Everything from molecules to the Multiverse operates on the Pattern and Principles of Systems...and I see the Eternal One as the unseen hand behind all of these...

You are talking about Universal energy. The truth is science and religion are not the same paths, they actually contradict.
But these questions will reveal if you get it right or wrong.
1) Do you think this uncreated one wants to be worshipped?
2)Do you think this uncreated one contacted Man and told them who he is, or Man found him
3)Do you think this uncreated one knows everything? Things you have done and haven't done?

There are many more questions but just answer these first.

OkaiCorne:
I wish we can discuss this matter face to face over some drinks or something... I swear, this discussion goes beyond words lest I'm misintepreted.

This "God" you want me to explain is like using words to capture the wind in a container. I know you're curious...I only use the word "God" because that is what the mind of man ... particularly religious people see Him/It as and can easily relate with...

Words cannot do justice in describing it...but you'll be able to relate with me on this subject matter from the view point of ENERGY, because that is the perspective you see it from...

Your question honestly is very difficult to answer with words...

Give it a try. Once you step out of the energy perspective I'll let you know. What do you call it for real if "God" was just a faux?

We could have discussed it over a drink but our locations differ I guess.

OkaiCorne:
Bro, I totally respect Science, it fits perfectly into demystifying a bigger picture.

That is why I do not believe in disturbing my Eternal Creator over answered prayers.

I get your point of views totally well. Science and Religion tries to explain one BIG PICTURE from totally dis-jointed perspectives. One is just a bigger brother to the other.

Cheers, I wish you safe journey...

God and Energy aren't the same I repeat. God is Jealous, Energy is not. God has angels, Energy doesn't. God has created hellfire, Energy hasn't. God has a son, Energy doesn't. God has an enemy, Energy doesn't. God will judge humans, Energy won't. So many more differences as perceived by the descriptions. Stop calling them the same. Again, God doesn't even exist and Energy does.

If you have moved on from the bolded, tell me a little of the God you believe then.

OkaiCorne:
It is fine, I am not attacking your views o, but your views still fits into a bigger picture I'm on a journey to figuring out.

Would you like to join me on this Journey or stay comfortable at your bus stop of Science?

Science no get bus stop chairman, it's a moving train.

I am glad you are on a journey, soon you will discover all I've been saying. But I wish you had science at your beck and call. But it seems you are not oriented in that field. Right? I want you to look at the possibility and impossibility from the same distance, use logic and intuition throughout. I am sure you will see the real thing. As for me, I am already on my own Journey which started long ago, but I would like to know the outcome of yours.

otr1:
If God was to destroy Satan the moment he sinned, what would go through the minds of all the other angels? Fear would enter into their hearts right? And then they would end up serving God out of fear rather than love, which would destroy the very reason that God created heavenly beings and humans in the first place. And not only that, the universe could also be in a permanent cycle of sin and destruction. Someone sins, God destroys them, someone else sins and God destroys them. Then there wouldn't be an understanding of what sin is and why God is destroying those who sin. And the universe would never be a place of harmony and peace again. Also, Satan sucessfully caused a third of all God's angels to rebel and join him. Which means Satan was able to cast doubts in the minds of the angels. So if God just destroyed Satan and the angels who followed him, then the angels who didn't join with Satan could forever be left with doubts in their minds. And even if God just destroyed all of His creation and started again, there would be no guarantee that it wouldn't happen again. So God Had to have a plan to rid the universe of sin FOREVER.
First, God HAD to let Satan's rebellion take it's full course, so that the universe could see the wicked nature of Satan's plans. Until fully developed, Satan's rebellion would not appear the evil thing that it was. Second, God HAS to let sin and destruction (suffering) continue in this world in order for the RESULT of sin to be seen by all. And by seeing the result and utter suffering because of sin, it will stop sin and rebellion from rising up a second time.

Thank you, you just described a God who is a Tyrant, a gambler, a God who can't see tomorrow, a God who will allow evil to happen for whatever reason, a God who wasn't sure of his hand works.
In light of this, I ask. If God wanted all these to happen, say for instance this in bold God HAD to let Satan's rebellion take it's full course, so that the universe could see the wicked nature of Satan's plans. Until fully developed, Satan's rebellion would not appear the evil thing that it was. Why then did he send Jesus? Or was the rebellion's full course had come to pass then? has the universe seen the wicked nature of Satan then? God created heavenly creatures to love him, why did Satan not love him? Would you say there was a flaw? Which means God was prone to mistakes. You have made it more difficult than it seemed.

Thanks for your contribution

OkaiCorne:
Bro, do you know the funny thing, if we view all these things we are saying on a Higher level, it all comes down to viewing the same concept from totally different perspectives...there's a creator (whether na God or Energy), there's a starting point to everything (whether na God or Energy we call am), at the basic level, na the same story we dey talk.

Mallam na Mallam, whether you spell am from front or back...na still Mallam

Cheers...

Hmm, you're still missing the most important ingredient. There is no creator. Energy didn't create. And my point of view is not that there is a creator whatsoever it is.

Here is my point of view. Reality is a function of energy. For the sake of understanding let me call it a creator maybe you'll get it straight this time

there's a creator (whether na God or Energy)

There's a creator, for understanding sake, but it can only be energy and not God. Why?
Because God is a being with emotions, energy is not. Energy is not self-aware.

there's a starting point to everything (whether na God or Energy we call am)
For understanding sake again, yes but it is energy and not God.
We are not saying the same thing. God is not in the same descriptive with Energy.

Mallam na Mallam, whether you spell am from front or back...na still Mallam

This analogy would have been valid if you had said God s God, whether you spell am from front or back..... na still God as regards this discussion.
But unfortunately, you're saying God is Energy, whether you spell am from front or back.

God and Energy aren't the same I repeat. God is Jealous, Energy is not. God has angels, Energy doesn't. God has created hellfire, Energy hasn't. God has a son, Energy doesn't. God has an enemy, Energy doesn't. God will judge humans, Energy won't. So many more differences as perceived by the descriptions. Stop calling them the same. Again, God doesn't even exist and Energy does.

OkaiCorne:
And why would a renowned atheist like you attempt to discredit the same Bible to score points on the fact that God doesn't exist?

Because I am disproving it to be incorrect, are you proving the bible to be correct?

OkaiCorne:
If you see those at the tip as Humans...you are absolutely correct. That's if:

1) Humans can create a new planet and solar systems from the scratch OR
2) There's something more than Humans responsible for the formation of the solar system; OR
3) Your mindset is limited to what is happening on planet earth alone.

And please don't tell me unconscious energy is responsible for life as we see it right now.

But hey!!! what do I know, I might just be ABSOLUTELY STUPID and you sir are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I guess I have been blabbing rubbish all day and you sir are the Genius that knows it all...

I'll mark you further so I can tap further into your infinite wisdom sir

I don't have infinite wisdom, but I know what I know, thanks to science. And I know you know what you know too. But that's not a reason for us not to disagree on certain grounds, like now.
Humans create planets from the scratch? Why are you moving so fast? You see that was the cause of the main problem, we didn't know and we created God to be responsible for our ignorance. If science had started from the beginning of our existence, no one would have believed any God. We found ourselves here, and we concluded a spirit who is hiding in the clouds is responsible. Why? That's stupid I
We don't need to create a planet before we can be at the tip. We don't even have the 1/billionth energy to do that. But this universal energy is responsible for everything. Do you want to eat? It's energy you need. You want to wash, it's energy. You want to sleep, it's energy, you want to sleep, it's energy, you want to think, it's energy. It's only when you're dying that you are losing energy, then the body is in equilibrium, the zero state.

OkaiCorne:
I wonder if you skipped the story of the Pentecost in your Bible back then sha...but no problem, I assume you made a honest mistake. I am a TRUTHSEEKER, a Christian will fight you for this one o

Why would a renowned non-Christian believe what is written in the bible that was not interpreted well? None of your points should come from the Bible, use your knowledge bank, you have repeatedly said you are no more a Christian, so quit quoting the events of the bible to buttress your points.

Can we respond to posts one after the other so it would be easy to quote? Responding to many small posts is stressful

OkaiCorne:
Did you skip the part where I said you should research outside of the Hebrew language? or were you in a hurry to reply me?

I must admit something though, you made some sense on creation of life from a molecular level.

Now if the molecular level is the base of a pyramid, what is at the tip of the pyramid?

Do you know what extrapolation is all about? if yes...life graduated from a molecular level to the level of man and other mammals, now are there other far more advanced and intelligent life forms asides man outside of planet earth? Let's move this to the Universal level...

Are we still on? I thought you said you can't continue.

But if we are still on, I'll be glad.
I did not skip any part, my response addressed why would I read Hebrew? You see, in your approach, you are not tackling the root of the problem. Why Hebrew? Was Hebrew the language of the world when God decided to come down and introduce himself? Now we have the problems of interpretation which many people have used to garner points. I guess God didn't know it will come to this point either, clueless and not omniscient characteristics again.

Now if the molecular level is the base of a pyramid, what is at the tip of the pyramid?

If by this analogy, it will be humans. Molecular level means life from the lifeless. Proteins, DNA etc. These molecules are powered by measured energy and not supernatural whatever. You are a convoluted mass of DNA, proteins, Fat, etc connected and interacting with measured energy.

The graduation of life from the molecular level to any extent it has now does not extend beyond planet earth. And if there are far more intelligent physical being outside planet earth, their origin did not start here on planet earth, they must have their own history of civilization and they must be very different from us, after all, life is not bound to earth alone.

OkaiCorne:
All the best on your journey. It appears we have no common grounds on our views then except for how we see religion

I don't need to sweat too much to prove a point.

TIME will determine what is right or wrong by the FRUITS we eventually bear.

Have an open mindset like a growing foam sponge and not a closed mindset like a rock.

Try to apply logic where necessary and intuition where necessary. Do not fit square pegs in round holes.

In summary, don't get too lost in the details that eventually lose focus of the BIG PICTURE. Don't be too fixated on a tree so much that you lose sight of the Forest.

Cheers

Please try as much as possible not to see this post as an insult, that is not my intention. Thanks

Lol, so you're giving up? That's easy though.
When the going gets tough, I heard only the tough get going.
Perhaps, you have seen that the inability to prove that God doesn't exist will soon become a reality and you don't want to think about it.
It's alright, we can end the discussion. If I didn't have an open mindset, I will not be a free minded person. I am an atheist for crying out loud, who's more free-minded than an atheist?
On the contrary, you're the one who has fixed your mind on a God who is a being and there is nothing outside of that. And despite pointing out to you the many flaws of that God you so love, you're still adamant.
Logic I have been posting since yesterday, Intuitions I have been outpouring since we started. But you're set in your opinion.

Like I said, you're the one fixated on the picture that a God exists, you don't want an alternative to that. Your God is a being with emotion, and you want to bring my Energy down to that? No, Energy does not have opinions, does not have emotions either. I did't see your post as an insult. I understand you're tired. Have a nice time.

OkaiCorne:
You could write something in Hebrew and it can be wrongly intepreted out of context in English or Greek.

I did some research on what the Spirit of God meant in Hebrew and guess what?! It actually means Life Giving ENERGY, which corroborates your point of view on Energy.

The pretty English Bible Christians carry up and down are full of twisted intepretations and errors.

At times I begin to wonder who benefits from mixing lies and errors with the Truth that forms the Holy Book religious people carry up and down today. Who stands to benefit from this evil conspiracy?

Infact, I'll advice you research ancient scrolls outside Hebrew and look out for uniform patterns in their messages and stories...you'll find out interesting stuffs. For example compare the story of Genesis to the Epics of Gilgamesh...same plot line, different actors


I always advocate for people to observe the TRUTH in its unwritten form, unwritten TRUTH always complements written TRUTH. Where you spot inconsistencies between written and unwritten TRUTH, you will easily spot a lie or error.

Written TRUTH always gets corrupted over time.

Cheers

I don't know if you are ever going to understand this.

Now check this out, Hebrew is not the only language in the world, is it? If revelations about a supposed God was given in Hebrew, does it mean he only wants the Jewish people to accept him? Does it not give you a clue that this god was formed by the Jews? We are having these interpretation problems because we are neglecting our own gods who spoke our language and accepting other gods, but their supposed messages have to be interpreted to us. That being said, Knowing fully well that there is no god at all and no message was dropped from heaven and that everything is a way of controlling people, Why didn't the almighty god pass his message across the world at the same time at the same instant in different languages. This same god was said to be responsible for separating languages. To me, this god seems to be clueless. The happy thing is that he just doesn't exist.

I don't blame the Christians, only a few people can and have been able to break free from indoctrinations. I blame the cavemen who started it all. But the Christians will need to wise up and that's one of my functions.

It's not the fault of those who don't know Hebrew that their non-existent god didn't think about their tribe in the past.

OkaiCorne:
Remember I told you I've moved on from seeing God through the eye-glass of religion. And the funny thing is you just admitted you believe in God (not the same way religious people see it though) without you knowing it.

One thing I don't like when discussing is when people try to self-validate their points which negates my points. You have to clearly understand this, I don't believe in God. God is a spiritual being who created everything, according to his believers. And I reject the existence of such being. Please, let's know what we are doing.

OkaiCorne:
For you to make sense of all of creation, you have to identify a starting point of a circle, and the funny thing is it works like an illusion. The moment you think you have the starting point figured out, You land into a bigger circle linked to the initial one and so on... You might eventually find out that God was a created by a Bigger God and the Bigger God was created by the Biggest God and so on. Give yourself peace of mind and identify a starting point.

There is no rule which states that for you to make sense of creations, you must identify a starting point of a circle. Or do you want me to believe that because you said it? This theory is yours and it's very invalid to me. It may be valid to you, I can't force it.You're right about one thing though, God is an illusion, it's not there but seems to be there. You keep falling into circles of the unknown and so kept thinking something must be responsible. But for me, for you to make sense of all creations, you must first understand all creations, starting with the essence of life. After studying life at the molecular level, I am telling you that it was not created. Believe what you will, but if it's God, then you're wrong.

OkaiCorne:
Thanks for your answer on my circle question. Everything about creation operates on the principle of circles/cycles. The starting point of this circle is God (or energy as you see it), everything starts with Him/It and ends with him/It. That is why Christians and Jews call Him/It the Alpha and Omega.

Have you ever drawn a circle with a compass or anything before? If yes, you already know the answer to this.
The bolded is my answer to your circle question. How does it point to your above statement? Please let us discuss within the confines of individual posts and answers and not bring what the other party did not say into the discussion.
The starting point must start at a particular time, won't it? Even the starting point must be controlled by some forces. Who controlled God the starting point of creation?

OkaiCorne:
You touch any point of a circle, that point is the beginning and the end.

I want to be honest with you on something. I don't know in exact details how this world began, different religions comes up with funny stories to bridge this gap. However I'm safe to conclude everything has a starting point.

Okay, now I see clearly where your conclusions and belief came from. You don't know it, but yet you explain it. Wonderful!

OkaiCorne:
And as for you, the basic concept of God is energy to you which is correct, but it's GOD to religious people. You are only seeing things from an enlightened view point. Keep it up. Bear in mind though that there's a way to attract and repel this energy...there are principles and instructions.

It may be anything to anybody, it may even be slippers or water or cow or statue, or book, anything imaginable. But what makes it wrong is when they ignorantly claim that he doesn't want you to serve any other god, he is Jealous, he created the whole world, he is angry, he has a son and a host of many claims. Energy that powers the universe is innocent of all these and as I responded in of my posts up there, Energy is not self-conscious, it is not a being, it is not supernatural and spiritual, it does not have angels nor a fierce enemy.

OkaiCorne:
But saying there's no God is like saying there's no Energy, hope you understand me.

I think I have addressed this above. There is no God, but there is energy. They are two different things.

OkaiCorne:
The only part I differ with you a bit is where you said the energy isn't conscious or something like that. It's like saying a body is functioning without a BRAIN ( I can hear Christians shouting Trinity ).

Why are so you confident in not understanding the difference? Can energy make a choice to create humans? Can energy make a choice to throw people in hellfire? Please comprehend.

OkaiCorne:
You have accepted the TRUTH in a manner that religious people cannot comprehend and you are blessed for it.

Cheers, I'll be awaiting your response. Do have a great day ahead.

Religious people cannot comprehend, it's not a new acceptance from me, I have known since I got wise. Don't thank me for it. If you also believe in a God and you worship, you are also religious. And to confirm that you haven't been comprehending since we started discussing. How can you compare energy to the god you know whom is a being? Energy is not a being.

OkaiCorne:
One question, do you believe there is an unseen hand behind the programming of the Universe? Or everything from the planets to the stars to the galaxies are just there by accident?

No, I don't. Why? Because the universe is full of errors. If a God programmed this Universe, then he is incompetent. Vey very incompetent looking around it's very easy to see that. Have you ever seen the universe full fledge? If you believe you God created this universe, then I am disappointed in the creator. But on the other hand, Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Energy is the Alpha and the Omega. You can only convert it from one form to the other. Energy is what most of you perceive as God and worships. But this Energy is not self-aware or conscious, it just acts. This Energy is not a being, it doesn't have angels, does not have a fierce enemy. Is not omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Does not control human beings. Did not create hellfire, Did not do a lot of things.

OkaiCorne:
This energy you keep talking about, does it have a starting point or it just came to be?

What's wrong with just coming to be? Don't you believe it can just come to be? Why believe God then just came to be?

OkaiCorne:
Lemme give a shocker, this energy you talk of that formed the universe and e.t.c. is what ancient people called 'God' back then. Now because of advancements in research and tech, we can see 'God' in its raw form so to speak.
Do you know you are a fragment of this energy? That you and I came from this one source of life giving energy?

Hahahaha, let me laugh a little. No that's actually an irony. This Energy is what you people now call God, and God that you people are going crazy about now has probably always been energy and is not worth being worshipped or feared. You just have to appreciate it.

OkaiCorne:
I am quite sure we are seeing the same thing from different viewpoints. Honestly, I've gone beyond seeing 'God' as another idol to be worshipped. I've moved on from religion to see the TRUTH in its raw form.

Let's not see this as an argument, I'm rubbing minds with you.

Well, my viewpoint is plain. If God exists, then he's got to be perfect. But he is not as you have agreed he is only omniscient "to an extent" of which there is nothing as that. Energy has flaws and we know, so we in the science world have discovered how to use this energy to perfection.
I still maintain there is no being called God, because all these flaws are too cheap for a would be God. Is there anyway you want to explain the deficiencies of an Almighty who is not perfect? brother, we are truly not arguing, we are just enlightening each other.

OkaiCorne:
Perhaps, some religious people gave you a flawed definition of omniscient. I hope you don't mind doing a personal research on what omniscient truly means in Hebrew for instance. Don't let people with narrow views confuse or annoy you further.

As for me, at least you can tell I'm discussing with you with an open mind.

What I don't know, I will never claim to know so I won't prove a point and end up misleading you.

Why Hebrew? For starters, I don't speak it and you don't speak it. And according to the English language, we have both been speaking and writing, all-knowing is omniscient. We don't need to keep dragging this one. If there is a God, he is not omniscient, there millions of proofs to that effect, it's simple.

OkaiCorne:
I will state it clearly again, I'll be honest with you o, I don't know what religious people did to you that they said God is omniscient to the extent that He knew the Devil will rebel after He was created. I will not argue on where my knowledge no reach, if not na lies I go dey tell you.

Hope you understand me right?

Well, I guess they were honest too because, in the real sense, omniscient cannot have an extent. Omniscient covers all extents, 'all-knowing' knows everything. The future, the end, just everything.

OkaiCorne:
Calm down na, no be fight.

I ain't fighting you na.

OkaiCorne:
But hope you understand where I'm coming from. God knows the possible outcomes of your choice, but HE never knows the choice you are going to make because of the Freewill you have. At least we are clear on this one right?

why did you echo this? We already agreed that God knows certain things only. Like the consequences of actions, but he doesn't know the actions until you take them. Which means he is not all-knowing.

OkaiCorne:
Because the way I understand omniscient is He knows all possible outcomes subject to your choice and that of others too.

The way you understand is important, but the way it really is is more important. Omniscient is all-knowing by all standards. And since we have agreed he doesn't know the actions people will take, God doesn't qualify as all-knowing. That's very simple, don't make it harder.

OkaiCorne:
The TRUTH in its raw form goes well beyond religion, that's why I started with you on the grounds of common sense. Religion gives the TRUTH a form and coloration people can easily identify with. Hope you understand me.

I await your response.

Thanks for agreeing again that the truth can't be found through religion since it is beyond it, this is what we have been hammering to religionists and theists who want to die for religion. If God exists, then he has flaws and he is guilty of so many crimes. Common sense doesn't really apply with any deity at all. In fact, common sense says there is no god anywhere. That's my response.

OkaiCorne:
Good question! Evil came from the Devil via pride and envy...And who created the Devil (that also has a freewill!)...GOD!

Think of the Devil as a cancer cell or mutation.

Cheers

!)So, since the all-knowing God must have known before-hand that this Devil he wants to create will rebel, why did he go ahead to create him?
2)Or should we assume he didn't know that the devil will rebel?
3)Or probably he knew the devil will rebel but went ahead and allowed the evil to stand?

IF 1 is true, then God is a gambler and he is unsure of events that will unfold
IF 2 is true, then God is not all-knowing.
IF 3 is true, then God is Malevolent.

Cheers

OkaiCorne:
I'll tell you something clearly, God has no knowledge of your choice or actions, He can only influence you, and that is why you have a freewill.

The only thing God knows for sure, is the outcome of your choice and actions.

Then he is simply not omniscient, all-knowing. He doesn't know everything if as mighty as he is he doesn't know my choice of actions. At least we agree on this one. Thank you for clarifying this.

juanomowa:
Exactly what I'm saying.

You are thirsty for answer. Adam brought evil by giving ear to Eve.

Adam brought evil? Was Adam the creator of the serpent who deceived Eve? Why blame Adam for listening to his wife?

juanomowa:
And you dont understand a lot. God knows very well what will happen, so He made the Law. But because Eve was thinking they would become like God, she ate of the fruit.

How can you even say I don't understand when you're not listening? Your words "God knows very well what will happen, so He made the Law." Now my Question is this, did God make the law to avert what he knew will happen? Or he knew what will happen despite making the law? Please read these questions more than once to understand them before providing answers. Because if God knew what will happen, then he should have equally known that they will not follow the law, in fact, he should have known that we will argue today 4 billion years ago. But if God was hoping that they would follow the law, then God doesn't certainly know what will happen next, it's all a gamble for him, which means he is not omniscient. Think bro, just think.

juanomowa:
He didn't caged His creatures, we have freedom, and He gave us the Commandments to guide our path. But by disobeying that Commandments comes death, Death never existed before nor evil.

The caging here is that we must obey the commandments or die, isn't it? That's caging bro. A uncaged bird can fly wherever it wants and nobody will punish it for that. Is that how God treats you?

Before the commandments came, there had been evil. The commandments came after the Moses revolution in Egypt according to the Bible.
Prior to the commandments, God had always chosen from the household of Abraham favoring them over others. According to the bible still.
So which other commandments are you referring to?

juanomowa:
These things are too deep, its not something to bite from the head nor to just get its tail, it will only bring more questions.

He didn't allow it to happen like you thoughts, man is responsible for it all for his disobedience. Adam brought death and what you call evil.

Is Man responsible? I am disappointed you have opted to blame Man who was not there when the transaction between God and Devil was struck to disturb man on earth, A clueless man. You blame Adam for listening to his wife, that this same God gave him despite he did not ask for her. This same God probably didn't see the future that Eve will listen to a serpent and in turn deceive Adam.
God created the Devil, God created Eve, God created Adam, God created evil, God himself is evil. Only that he doesn't even exist and everything comes back void. We are alone.