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lanrexlan: Brother,in every age ALLAH(swt)has sent down revelation to the people to guide them,as ALLAH said in surah An-nahl 16;36-'verily,we have sent among every ummah(community,nation) a messenger proclaiming;worship ALLAH and avoid false deities'.So every nation has its own prophet and a revelation given to them.In the quran,only four revelations were mentioned by name,/zaboor/ is the revelation given to prophet david(pbuh),/taurah/ is the revelation given to prophet moses(pbuh),/injeel/ is the revelation given to prophet jesus(pbuh) and the /Quran/ is the revelation given to the last and final prophet muhammed(pbuh).All the prophets that came before the last and final messenger muhammed(pbuh)were meant for their people,and their message was meant for that time.After a prophet leaves,another prophet comes,from Noah(pbuh) to abraham(pbuh) and so on like that.Although the main teaching of all the prophets is THERE'S NO DEITY WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH.Because the revelation revealed to the prophets is meant for their people,the prophet and that period of time,so there's NO point preserving it because another prophet will come with another revelation.But because the glorious quran is the last and final revelation of almighty ALLAH revealed to the last and final messenger muhammed(pbuh),so the quran isn't meant for the arabs or the time of prophet muhammed(pbuh)only,it's for the whole of humanity.As ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-hijr 15;9-'it's ALLAH that sent down the dhikr(quran),we will surely guard it(from corruption).So because the quran is meant to be a guide for mankind starting from the time of prophet muhammed(pbuh)to the time the world will come to an end,then ALLAH will surely guard it and preserve it because it's final instruction manual for mankind.There may be some remnants of GOD's word in the bible but bulk of it are words of historians because it has undergone changes from time to time.Hope that clarifies your question....Peace brother

I don't doubt that - All I am asking muslims to do is PROVIDE PROOF OF THE INJEEL THAT ALLAH GAVE JESUS. Allah gave the Torah and Psalms and we still have those today. How come those are not lost but the injeel is lost.

If you claim the bible is corrupt - you must PROVE it. The proof is to bring the uncorrupt one Allah gave Jesus. If that is lost - then you have to SHUT-UP and swallow your tongue. You can't base your claim on a lost item - it's shear nonsense to say the least

maclatunji: “Woe to those
who write the Book with their own hands and
then say: ‘This is from Allah’ to gain from it a
paltry price. So woe to them for what their
hands have written and woe to them for what
they gain from it.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 79]

So many contradictions in the Bible as this verse in the Qur'an explains. As for actual contradictions, visit this page http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

QED.

Dude - you keep repeating yourself. You have said the Bible we have today is corrupt. All I am asking if for you to provide a copy of the uncorrupted one. If you can't say you can't - that is all.

talk2me006: i can see that terrorism verses from bible touch u down.it is either it is the first time you come across it or it shock u to the extent that u cant bear it.
the question is:are those verses are not terrorism? yes or no.
ALSO, do christians always quote from beginning before you conclude to 72 virgins verses.

TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 :
33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. ( So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE)

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

So you can beat the hell out of your slave as long as the slave does not die, this is straight from the Bible
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AS AYYENNY02 SAID:

I challenge any Christian to come and tell me those verses which I posted are not evil and not terrorism.


NOW IT IS EITHER YOU SHOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOVE OR REMAIN PERMANENT CONFUSED MIND.

Let us give you some education . Your reasoning faculty is that of an infant - wanting milk all the time. Crying and blaming others for the fouls in their back-yard. Not standing up as a man and condemning acts of violence in the name of a God.


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The grace the Israelites enjoyed in the OT was because their forebears - Abraham, Isaac and Jacob believed in God and it was "counted unto them for righteousness. While many people in other parts of the world gave themselves to idols, built images and called them the god that made the heaven and the earth, the ancestors of the Israelites knew and followed the true God wholeheartedly. God says He punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to:

....the 3rd and 4th generations of them that hate me, and shewing MERCY unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments - Exodus 20:5-6

These nations and wars that were mentioned in the OT committed unprintable sins, one of the worst sins they committed was human sacrifices and especially burning their own children alive to the idol Molech (Deuteronomy 12:30-31). So, you mentioned the terrorism in the verses above, it was judgement for the abominations these nations performed.

You know something ironic - [color=#990000]GOD EVEN DESTROYED ISRAEL WHEN THEY WORSHIPED IDOLS[/color] and when they were lured into the sins of these Moabites and other idolaters. God told Israel that if they indulged in the wickedness of these Canaanites, He would punish them.

In fact, Israel has suffered more for idolatry than any nation in the world. God has dealt with them MORE than their enemies. God chose to use them to reveal the true God to the world. But this privilege carried a great responsibility.

Moving on - the 1st war that the Israelites fought was a direct assault from the Amalekites. There was a shorter way from Egypt to Canaan but the Amalekites were there. So God too Israel through a hazardous wilderness to avoid any confrontation (also to take away the sinful practices of Egypt from them). But as they were resting at Rephidim, the Amalekites suddenly struck - unprovoked, determined to destroy Israel.

Moses sought the face of the Lord and then sent out Joshua and some chosen men to the battlefield. With the help of God, the Amalkites were defeated - Exodus 17:8-13.

And the same-thing happened, many nations that heard about Israel's fame attacked them whenever they heard they were passing by their lands. On all occasions, the Israelites asked:

Let us pass, I pray thee, through thy country; we will not pass through the fields or through the vine-yards, neither will we drink of the water of thy wells: we will go by the king's highway, we will not turn to the right hand nor to the left hand until we have passed they borders - Numbers 20:17

So Moses made an oath and pleaded with the King of Edom but the King refused and they had to turn back.

I can narrate all these wars for you to understand. When you defend yourself - it is not violence. Just the same way in Islam, there is Jihad against those that wants to harm you and attack you - DEFENSIVE JIHAD.

I can give you many many many more examples and will be happy to debate and answer your questions.

talk2me006: i dey laugh in kanuri.so u mean u cant answer my question.
well if u cant answer those terorism sentenses i quoted for you other time, that mean we can conlusively say that your bible preaches terrorism .no difference between your religion and boko haram sects.

You can laugh die mate. What you fail to realize is this:

1. By you trying to find violence in the Bible - YOU HAVE JUSTIFIED RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE IN THE QURAN. You just confirmed it. Your attempt is trying to compare Christianity as a violent religion as Islam.
2. Let us expose your level of thinking . The Fallacy of Force: The Qur'an commands Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims and apostates (Surah 5:33; 9:5, 29) - Your brothers in Boko Haram, you yourself that justifies violence, Ansaru and many others.

Some Muslims (you included) use a false analogy to answer this argument. They respond by saying, "Well, what about the Crusades? You Christians use violence just like Muslims." What about the Old Testament, there were wars in there has well

It is logically erroneous to set up a parallel between Muslims killing people in obedience to the Qur'an and Christians killing people in disobedience to the Bible. While the Qur'an commands Jihad, the New Testament forbids it..

Omo, you can worship a stone if you like - don't through it at me . The blood of innocent people are crying for justice and God Almighty will answer and give them justice.

maclatunji: Hahaha... When someone tells you something is corrupted or lost, what does that mean? It means the original is no longer available. So, what is your point?

Are you making any sense at all? Sit down and listen to yourself.

1. The Bible that Christians have is corrupt. It is not the original Injeel/gospel given to Jesus [Allah never made this claim - muslims like you do]
2. The original Injeel/Gospel is LOST - So, if it is lost how do we know it is the ORIGINAL ONE?
3. How can you accuse ALL christians around the whole world of using a CORRUPTED BIBLE yet you can't back it up with one AUTHENTIC VERSION
4. How did it get LOST? Surely, if Allah can preserve the Quran, He should be able to preserve the Injel that he gave Jesus - no?
5. Who lost it? Since you know it got lost - Can you tell us who lost it so we can perhaps trace and try and figure out some "remnants" of the "LOST" and "TRUE" Injeel.

In all honesty, you keep going around in circles. You and I know that you are UNABLE TO provide ANY direct link to the lost Injeel because it never existed. Allah never said it got lost - Muslims did.

In Summary, if you can't provide the "lost" injeel, it is as good as it never EXISTED and the attempts of accusing the Christian bible of corruption has no basis. It's a simple concept, provide proof and backup your CLAIM. Until then, your statement is invalid. God bless you

maclatunji: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_in_Islam

You just sent me a link that explained what you have been saying, that the present Bible is corrupt and Allah gave Jesus the Injil - I asked for PROOF and link to the actual text of the original Injeel and you sent me to the same thing you have been telling me.

maclatunji - Please provide me a link, an online copy of the ACTUAL Injeel that Allah gave to Jesus if you can.

Can you DO this or NOT?

VULCAN: Possibly the worst post here attempting to rebut deSika is that of justme006. He has only succeeded in weakening the argument for Islam by such a post. I have to say it is nothing short of pathetic and shows that the poster is either very superficial in his knowledge of the bible or very dubious. True, there is nothing untoward in lacking biblical knowledge especially as he is a muslim but why base your points on utter and complete falsehood. He is quoting a verse in the bible in an attempt to show that Christianity supports killing those of other faiths and he then uses a sentence in a story that Jesus was telling his disciples about a king. Justme006 takes one line out of the whole story and wants to build a case out of that. How shallow can one get? Even 8yr olds who attend sunday school know such stories are called parables- A very short story that is told to show forth a truth in a way that all can understand. Talk about taking a sentence out of context. I hope justme006 doesn't represent the best muslim minds that nairaland has to offer because that would be a letdown.

There are a couple of reasons this happens, I will give a few:

1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.

Some Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Qur'an judges the Bible.

2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing:

Examples:
#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.
#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.
#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

There are so many I could list but I will leave it for now

VULCAN: A thread that was meant for intellectuals has been hijacked as usual by weaker minds. deSika has taken time to delve into both the Koran and other ancient manuscripts and uncovered issues that require explanation. Unfortunately there isn't anyone yet who has met him point for point,logic for logic. The attempts at rebuttal were rather weak and reveal that none of the responders has sufficiently thought these questions through. Its not enough to quote some verses that DO NOT sufficiently floor desika's points. We all know what a knock out looks like in boxing. I was looking forward to someone matching him with deep, incisive, well rounded and sound explanations. The responses so far seem rather knee-jerk and sound like "this is what I was told" and not "this is what I have found". The response to DeSika's submissions demand logic, references to the Koran AND other ancient manuscripts. Just quoting from the Koran is weak in this respect because deSika implies that the questions are asked by a non-muslim. If a non-Christian asks a Christian why they believe that Jesus is the Messiah that the Jews are still waiting for- then quoting the words of Jesus alone is rather weak because as a non-Christian he is'nt expected to exercise faith in Jesus.

Thanks for your insightful input mate. I don't know who you are put your objectivity is admired

tintingz: Queen James bible is a prove that the bible is far corrupted, a guide book for gayz

Mr alexis can you show us the Quran that was edited?

I haven't engaged you tintingz. If you can provide PROOF of the Injeel that Allah gave Jesus that wasn't corrupted - hold your tongue. In the mean-time, please provide EVIDENCE that Mary was 9 when she married Joseph.

I will provide the information to lanrexlan - he appears to be more of an honest person than you are

maclatunji: The Qur'an speaks about this. Those scriptures were corrupted, even the Bible sees new versions being discovered by archaelogists.

maclatunji - You are yet to provide me with a PROOF mate. Imagine me saying the Quran is corrupt yet I am not able to provide a reference that it is corrupt or show the one that is not corrupt. You haven't given me ONE link to the original Injeel.

In essence, you are saying - "I am sure the Bible is corrupt but I CAN'T prove it". Until you can, don't make such statements.

Even the Quran claimed the Injeel was given to Jesus. How can a book be given to Jesus when He never wrote the gospel himself?

Look at what lanrexlan said:

Jesus himself! We sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God.That was the injeel,the good news and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel.In his life-time Jesus(pbuh)never wrote a single word, nor did he instruct anyone to do so.What passes off as the "GOSPELS" today are the works of anonymous hands!

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So, where is the Book that Allah gave to Jesus? Who wrote it?

Now, look at what the Quran says:

He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet." S. 19:30

It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). S. 3:3 Al-Hilali & Khan

ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU GIVE ME REFERENCE TO THE BOOK (injeel) THE QURAN TALKED ABOUT.

Thanks mate

maclatunji: Present day Muslims don't use the Injeel. Jesus (AS) had the Injeel as his scripture. After his demise, the scripture was corrupted beyond belief. Muslims acknowledge that other scriptures existed before the Quran but the Quran effectively abrogates their being law that must be obeyed and a great part of them have been lost too.

If you want to learn , be humble. You cannot debate and learn at the same time. Choose one.

Since you know the scripture that Jesus had was corrupted after His death. Since you know that for a FACT - Can't you show us a copy of the ONE that is not corrupted. I find it hard to believe that EVERY SINGLE copy of the "TRUE" Injeel was corrupted and not one was left for us to refer to.

You are making a claim you can't backup - ALL I AM ASKING FOR IS PROOF OF THE GOSPEL THAT JESUS HAD THAT WASN'T CORRUPTED. Give me a link that I can refer to or an online store where I can buy the original.

Scholarship encourages debate and education mate - We are not confirmed to either or both.

lanrexlan: Brother,I am sorry if my words hurt I don't mean it in a bad way.How do you also know the japanese is hard to translate? You said anyone can read,i agreed but most important thing is to read the quran with an open heart or learn arabic as a language,being to islamic schools don't signify you know much about islam,you may not develop interest in it.I also went to a catholic school..That's it brother...Peace

My point was - if you haven't translated other languages, how can you say Arabic is the MOST difficult. For example, have you tried translating the Calabar language or the language of the native indian american? Your claim that Arabic is the hardest to translate holds no grounds without PROVABLE FACTS. Next time, confirm first before you post such unprovable claims.

Again, you don't know me. How did you know I didn't develop interest in it? By having a debate with you on a public forum or because we don't share the same views mean I didn't have interest in it?

lanrexlan: Thank you brother,INJEEL means the "Gospel" or "good
news" which Jesus Christ(pbuh) preached during his short ministry.The
"Gospel" writers often mention that Jesus going about and
preaching the Gospel (theInjeel):
1."And Jesus went . . . preaching the gospel . . . and healing
every disease among the people." (Matthew 9:35)
2. "... but whosoever shall lose his fife for my sake and the
gospel's, the same shall save it." (Mark 8:35)
3. "... preached the gospel. . ." (Luke 20:1)
The "gospel" is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus
preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small
fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus.I explained in one of my posts the 3 categories in the which the bible falls.The Christians
boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew,according to
St. Mark,according to St. Luke and according to St. John,but
there is not a single Gospel"according" to (St.) Jesus himself! We
sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and
blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God.That was
the injeel,the good news and the guidance of God for the
Children of Israel.In his life-time Jesus(pbuh)never wrote a single word,
nor did he instruct anyone to do so.What passes off as the
"GOSPELS" today are the works of anonymous hands!
Hope that clarifies that.
To your point about shias and muslims,brother i'm still for that extra surah because I never come across such in my life.Let me tell you something,i don't want to know if anyone is shia or sunni or hanbali or tebilig or anything,prophet muhammed(pbuh)who was the last and final messenger of ALLAH was a muslim,not any of these.And ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-muminun 23;53-54-'but they have broken their religion among them into sects,each group rejoicing in what is with it(the beliefs).So leave them in their error for a time'.And also in surah Ar-rum 30;32-'of those who split up their religion and became sects(they invented new things in the religion and follow their vain desires),each sects rejoicing in that which is with it'.Also ALLAH said in surah Al-anam 6;159-'verily,those who divide their religion and break up into sects,you(muhammed(pbuh)) have no concern with them in the least.Their affairs is only with ALLAH,who then will tell them what they used to do'.So brother,all the aboves said making sects in islam is forbidden,but unfortunately people has broken into sects,their affairs is with ALLAH alone,prophet muhammed(pbuh)said in At-Tirmidhi,Ibn Majah and Abu dawud that his ummah will be divided into 73 religious sects,all in hell except one and that's following strictly the quran and prophet's sunnahs.Brother,if you read the link you posted,all what shias do has no basis in islam,and prophet muhammed(pbuh)said;Beware of newly invented things,for every newly invented things are innovations and every innovation is a mis-guidance and every mis-guidance is hell fire.That's why I said the other time that you shouldn't study muslims to know about islam,study the quran and authentic hadith...Peace brother.

You are right - Jesus never wrote any gospel. His followers recorded His work and events - that is what is called the Gospel. For example, Mohammed never wrote any Surah himself - it was after he died that the Quran, was compiled. So, can I say because it was compiled by others and not Mohammed, then it makes it corrupt?

Did Mohammed instruct anyone to write the Quran - remember, the Quran is a recitation and not to be documented. So, your logic that Jesus didn't write it himself holds no ground.

Now, look at what the Quran says:

And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2). S. 5:46 Al-Hilali & Khan; cf. S. 57:27

Sura 5:46 states that the Injil was given to Jesus by Allah. Sura 19:30 and 3:3 then clarify that the Injil is a book just as the Qur'an and the Torah are books that were sent down by Allah.

The Quran continues:

Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel [Injil] (which are) with them. S. 7:157 Pickthall

These verses make clear that the Injil is the book of the Christians, the book that is with them and which they believe in. The author of the Qur'an even admonishes the Christians to fully obey (the Torah and) the Injil that they have.

So, you are here telling me that the Book we have is corrupted when your Allah clearly recognize the present Bible. EXCEPT YOU CAN SHOW ME THAT THE INJEEL THE QURAN WAS REFERRING TO IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PRESENT BIBLE - YOUR CLAIM IS BASELESS. To prove it is very simple - Show us the Injeel (a link) the Quran was talking about?

In regards the extra Surah, give me a few - I will have it for you

Let me ask you a question - are you Sunni or Shia?

lanrexlan: Brother,you are talking as if you know much about the quran and hadith,you have no knowledge about both you just visit some anti islamic sites,then copy and paste rubbish here no problem.You now the glorious quran wasn't revealed in English language,the language was arabic and brother,the most difficult language to translate is arabic.People who translated the glorious quran only translated it so that it will be close to the original arabic writings,for example the arabic word ''Rabb'' is found many times in the quran,but there's no proper english equivalent word for this word ''rabb'',so to make the readers understand it the word 'lord' is used.Rabb in arabic means the one God of the universe,the cheriser,the sustainer,the provider,the creator,master,organizer,provider,owner and giver of security.So that's why there's tafseer of the quran(explanations of the Quran),this tafseer will make people understand the glorious quran very well,that's it.Brother,I challenge you to point out a single teaching of islam that's against humanity as a whole.I have explained about the concept of JIHAD in one my posts,feel free to read it.And also if you wanna read the quran,read it with an open mind not what people are saying about islam or that conflict way or the media...Peace

Dude - you don't even know me. You have no idea about my back-ground, where I am from, my current and past religious leanings - you don't know. How can you open your mouth and say I know nothing of the Quran and Hadith?

How do you know the most difficult language to translate is Arabic - Have you translated Farsi? (Persian language) or Chinese or Japanese. How can you make such shallow claims without any authoritative references?

Please refer me to the link you talked about JIHAD - I am interested in reading it. Listen mate and listen very well. The Quran is a book that ANYONE can read - muslim, Christians, people that want to be muslims, scholars, former muslims etc. So, stop coming here and talking like you are an AUTHORITY on the Quran. THE ONLY AUTHORITY ON THE QURAN IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QURAN AND MOHAMMED HIMSELF. So, if you say something otherwise and contrary to what Mohammed said - then you are INVENTING your own religion.

Again, we are not ignorant Oh!. Some of us have been in Islamic schools since we were kids - so stop the arrogant tone as if you are the only one that knows the Quran

lanrexlan: Where's your proof brother? I agreed they are sects in islam,but if we analyse this,all these sects believed in the same fundamentals of islam-one GOD(ALLAH),one holy scripture(the Quran) and the last and final messenger(prophet muhammed(pbuh),there may be little differences but the fundamentals are the same.Unlike in christianity,many sects different teachings,the protestant bible has seven books lesser than the catholic bible,the protestant bible has 66books and catholic bible has 73books,the outcast books according to the protestants are:
The Book of Judith
The Book of Tobias
The Book of Baruch
The Book of Esther,etc.
These books are which they contemptuously refer
to as the"apocrypha" i.e. of DOUBTFUL AUTHORITY.
Notwithstanding the dire warning contained in the Apocalypse,
which is the last book in the RCV (renamed as"Revelation" by
the Protestants), it is "revealed":
"If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall
add unto him the plagues written in this Book."
(Revelation 22:18-19),but the protestants had removed seven books!!! What about that brother?....Peace.

You don't have to drag the Bible into this my friend - the CLAIM is on you to provide the original Injeel. If you can't then you have NO GROUNDS and basis to claim that the current Bible is corrupt.

My point is simple - I never CLAIMED that the Quran is corrupt or the version that the Quran is using is different from the one that was used in 7th century Arabia. Muslims are the ones claiming the Bible is corrupt or mixed with fiction and facts and that they true Injeel is not the same as the Bible we have. SO, THE BURDEN ON PROOF IS FOR YOU GUYS TO SHOW US A COPY OF THE INJEEL SINCE YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS.

In regards the Sunni Quran and Shitte Quran been different - I am not referring different in terms of the theme or the message of the Quran. However, the Shitte Quran has an additional Surah which is not in the present Sunni Quran. So, we all know that muslims claim the Quran is perfect and there are no differences - however, how can we MISS A WHOLE SURAH in the Sunni Version but present in the Shitte Version.

Here is an Islamic website talking about the differences between Sunnis and Shittes - http://www.discoveringislam.org/sunnis_vs_shia.htm

I will post my evidence on the differences between both Qurans.

excondido: @ayenny02
i supose this thread is to enlighted non muslims about islam as religion, apparently to put islam in good light. but you ayenny have demonstrated that you lack the intellectual capacity to do so. you succeeded in derailing the thread, instead of sticking to the purpose of the thread.

first, you started by exonorating the quran and described the bible as the "corrupted book" even when no one had engaged you with a debate pertaining ur assertions. obviously u couldn't defend ur supposed fact without refering to the corrupted book....how ironic.

secondly the reason most readers kept on with the thread was the reasoning and references of desikas rebuttal to ur statements which u barely backed with facts except name callings when u cant provide logical evidence to back ur claims.

thirdly, u think everyone that is non muslim is therefore a xtain....corroborating ur scarthing attack on christainity instead of making ur points. beside enlightening someone does not require proofs instead appeasing for understanding where u think non muslim have misunderstood.

i think u have failed to convince and enlighten anyone about islam with this thread. unfortunately we were mired the more on how tolerant islam is to other faith.

That is normally the plan - Here is what muslim apologists like to do:

1. Say non-muslims are quoting the Surah and verses out of context
2. When we back it up with the Hadith, they will say the Hadith we are using is weak.
3. When we give example of the Surah and how Mohammed interpreted it - they will say no, that is not the interpretation (As if Allah couldn't make it clear to Mohammed and muslims alike). Allah doesn't need any muslim help to interpret the Quran
4. They will derail off topic and start dragging the Bible in. Common example, when we show them the Quran justifies violence and the actions of muslims like Boko Haram are justified in the Quran - they will go 180 degrees and start talking about the Crusades and how America is in muslim land and how Jesus used violence in the temple of God (I mean really).

It's all a trick - but I know them . You can only expose LIES by TELLING the truth.

tintingz: stale question, you know the answer


And was Jesus the only son of God mention in the bible? Note that the word SON in the bible means someone very close to God

I can start quoting out sons of God in the bible...

Stop evading the question - we all know you are KNOWN for that. All over the place but never CONSISTENT. Provide proof that the God of the Bible and Allah are the same. I raised certain questions on the same - dispute if you like but debate it rationally.

In between - WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT MARY WAS 9 WHEN SHE MARRIED JOSEPH, WE ARE STILL WAITING.

lanrexlan: Brother,the bible may be corrupted,the quran is not.Not every book has spoilers,ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-hijr 15;9-'it's ALLAH that sends down the dhikr(quran),and we will surely guard it(from corruption)'.The glorious quran is the only book in the world that retains its purity of language and original form for 14 decades,it's a miracle,miracle of miracles,miracle of all ages...Peace brother.

How is the Bible corrupted? If it is corrupted like you claim - then surely, there should be one that is not corrupted. Muslims seem to know where the Injeel is. Can you show us where this is?

If the Quran retains it's purity and is a miraculous book - why do the Shias and Sunnis fight and kill themselves if their holy book is the same?

tintingz: The christians claim Allah and Yahweh are not the same

If they are the same why did the God of the Bible created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th. The Quran claims Allah created it in 2 and then in another Surah, he created it in 4 and then in another Surah, he created it in 6?

How can both Gods have different days they created the world if they are the same? The Quran claims it is clearly and void of all mis-understanding. Surely, it should confirm without muslims TRYING to EXPLAIN these verses on how many days the world was created.

The God of the Bible DECLARED JESUS was His Son. Allah denies this - So, how are they the same?

Proffdada: Why corrupt what is already corrupt? The Quran is too corrupted to be spoilt joor

Ask him why the Shitte Quran has an extra Surah and the Sunnis don't. Since it is one Quran that they want us to believe

nathdim: Charity begins at home go preach ur brothers in d north or u can go 2 Afghanistan or Pakistan

It is only in Islam that they are radicalized. Hindus, Buddhist, atheist and other religions have no problem with radicalization. Na ONLY ISLAM - NA WA OH!

[quote author=talk2me006]read these below:

[b]Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 :
33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. ( So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE)

So, you want an explanation of the wars in the Old Testament? What has this got to do with the topic at Hand. What has Moses and the Children of Israel have to do with the Boston bombings and Boko Haram?

maclatunji: Ask your predecessors, the Jews. You can also ask Google whilst you are at it.

Here is your CLAIM

It is fundamental for a Muslim to believe in Jesus' scripture which is not the Bible, it is called the Injeel. For Muslims, the Bible is a document that mixes fact with fiction. Where it contains fact, we point it out to you, where it contains fiction we sometimes also point out to you

Since you are an authority on the Injeel and you know that the Bible is mixed with facts and fiction - Please refer us to the Injeel that you muslims use. I don't have to ask the Jews - they NEVER mentioned an Injeel, you did.

Since you mentioned the Injeel, please refer a confirmed google link.

vexacool - It is always funny how people interpret Islam now-a-days.

Many muslims never like reading about the violence and terrorism in Islam as though this were a misrepresentation. But can they ignore their history?

Muhammed not only commanded wars, but was also involved personally. During this life-time, 66 battles were fought by his troop, of which he personally led 27. Islam is the exposition of it's prophet. The real Islam is the life of Mohoammed. If muslims ignore history of Mohammed, then they are creating their own personal religion.

Nairaland muslims wants us to believe that Islam is peaceful and a few mis-guided people are tarnishing the image of Islam and most of us are Islam phobic and don't understand and know Islam. Let us listens to what Allah says

Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of the truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews & Christians), until they pay the Jizyah - Surah 9:29

If, by believing and practicing the gospel of Jesus Christ, one becomes the enemy of Allah, who is this All that is SOOOOOOO offended by the gospel of Christ? Can he be the God of the Bible who singled out Jesus and marked Him out, declaring - This is my beloved Son, hear him - Luke 9:35

Na wa for this Allah oh

Chukskalidon: Talking abt Dubai and Saudi Arabia is a peaceful Islamic nation is a one-chance statement. Dubai is known for its business and comforting quality. Islamicity there is tolerable as a result what liquid incomes, high rate of different people and religion intermingling in a permanent spot. So, the area is mindful of reputation and money losing but will drop their last money to support other Islam countries in their war for jihad. No Islamic country can escape jihad. Where were Osama Bin Laden caught...Where has he been hiding?
There is no peaceful Islamic nation. Tell me can a religion that lives on blood and wars be peaceful?

Westernized muslims wants to change Islam from what it is. They say Islam is not violent - people that practice violence in the name of Islam are not muslims - they are misguided. Even if Mohammed was here today and practice Islam - they would say he is not practicing true Islam. I wonder what Islam the Sunnis are practicing and what Islam the Shias are practicing while both sects are killing themselves.

maclatunji: That is the best way to relate with you. 99% of you don't read the Qur'an even the likes of Desika.

It is fundamental for a Muslim to believe in Jesus' scripture which is not the Bible, it is called the Injeel. For Muslims, the Bible is a document that mixes fact with fiction. Where it contains fact, we point it out to you, where it contains fiction we sometimes also point out to you.

We definitely don't go to the Bible for religious rulings and edicts. If we did, there would not be Sharia law.

That 'superiority' of the Bible you speak of only exists in your imagination not in reality.

Where is this Injel since the bible is not an authority?

How am I to take you serious when you can't provide proof that Mary was 9 when she married Joseph. How can you call yourself an honest muslim and make a CLAIM yet can't back it up.

lanrexlan: Then explain the concept of trinity? Just explain,I haven't find a christian to explain that to me.

I don't need to - it will be like trying to put square pegs in a round glass. The FACT that you UNDERSTAND it but don't BELIEVE it is enough for me

tintingz: Jehova a.k.a Yahweh and Eloim are they the same?

You should know, tell us!

tintingz: what is homosexual and who is a gay?

I wont insult Eloim/Ellah which is dsame as Allah in arabic language... But still the bible recorded how your god suck bloods right from old testament bible and even suck his only beloved son blood before he could forgive sins

The God i serve is NOT a demi-god that will die on a jewish criminal cross to please another god(confused christians) father ==> son ==> holyghost ==> holy mother of god

And Allah is not moon god: Quran 41:37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him

How many time do i have to post that verse!

The god you serve doesn't know if he created the world in 2 days, 4 days or 6 days - As if God can't be consistent. The god you serve doesn't know who the first muslims was - if it was Mohammed, Moses, The 12 disciples of Jesus or Adam?

The God in the Bible and Allah are radically different. Allah was always nearby to approve whatever Mohammed wanted - when he wanted his adopted son wife's - "Gabriel" was standing by to send a "hot" revelation from "Allah" to approve it.

Allah cursed Jews and Christians - how can that be the same God in the Bible. Allah said Jesus spoke on the first day He was born - Which kind Jesus be that - not Jesus in the Bible. Clearly, Allah is seems to always change His mind whenever Mohammed wanted - Na wa for this Allah oh!

If you think Christians believe in 3 Gods - that is your problem. One can't educate an individual with consistent and constant indelible memory loss

Orikinla: Humans are their own worst enemies.

I don't know why humans love fighting and killing themselves over nothing really.
In most cases it over useless greed for power.

In Boko Haram case, it is to start Sharia and ride the north of infidels.

automaticcarzz: You need to seek help because you are very sick. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Arabs support what the terrorists among them doing. You must have been watching a lot of FoxNews lately. I love to see all these terroists killed by hellfire missile. There is no justification killing a baby. Why should you be happy to see a baby die such death?

I agree, no baby should die like that.