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vedaxcool: Evidently someone is on a pity party, get some sleep -really there is no peace for the wicked, poor you your challenge met over and over again, your assupmtion that writting in bold would change the facts on the ground is one based on fear and shame of wrong headed boast, so again you agree your bible is corrupt? twisting and swerving over this issue is one taht serves as amusement, below is the bad news you would never bring your self to answer but clearly shopws teh futility of your life, indeed your god said a sinful and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. Like i said I relieve you of your boast, which was out of your sheer ignorance and inability to reason well;

You can post it in RED, in BLUE, in GREEN - heck you can even post it in the Quran - it wouldn't change the FACT that your Allah honors Jesus. He honors Him so much that no other prophet in your Quran comes close. You can accuse my God of a lot of things, that doesn't move me or change Him. Your god followers are the ones killing your OWN people in Northern Nigeria, attempting to kill innocent people in Canada and the US. For some reason, your god is interested in the blood of christians - we don't know why, perhaps you can tell us.

If my Bible is corrupt - I CHALLENGE to show me the original one you quote from. I CHALLENGE to tell me the one the Quran quotes from. When you do - then we can tackle my bible is corrupt issue. Sunnis have a Quran that doesn't include one full Surah and the Shittes have one that has it and YOU COME HERE AND OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND TALK ABOUT MY BIBLE BEEN CORRUPT - are you deluded?

I placed a CHALLENGE but somehow you see that as a boast - So, you either have a comprehension deficiency or reading dis-ability - whichever it is, is your cup of tea not mine.

So your attempt at [size=20pt]MANIFESTATION == CREATION[/size] lacks evidence mate. Try harder. It is only Jesus in your Quran that has the ABILITY OF CREATION. Your Allah didn't choose anyone else

The CHALLENGE still stands mate. Try defending Allah harder, I am sure he is proud of you but you can't go against his own words in your Quran.

vedaxcool: Lol somebody words is hunting him, indeed there is no peace for the wicked, that someone was awake 2:15 a.m and na NL him rush post shows how your own words are eating into your conscience, if you are not getting enough sleep because of your boast, please know that I relieve u of your words, SLEEP is one of the wonders God created for men, I enjoyed mine last night, in fact I could write entire threads on how sleep is a mercy from God to mankind . . . Hopefully when u have gotten enough sleep you would be able to answer these question, yes bad news does go away easily, the good news is that I HAVE RELIEVED YOU OF YOUR BOAST: but the below questions must be answered!

And my challenge still stands - you and I are not in the same time-zone, I can post whenever I want. Unfortunately you haven't. You have given new INTERPRETATION TO YOUR QURAN. It's not the first time muslim apologist like yourself has done it. Whenever a FACT is brought up in your Quran - muslim defenders try desperately you drag the Bible and be-little it or OFFER NEW INTERPRETATION as if Allah didn't know what he was saying.

So far, all you have said is manifestation = creation. Such secular mentality is devoid of any spiritual knowledge. I placed a CHALLENGE, I didn't boast = clearly, you should know the difference. Read my post again.

As if Abraham and Moses are Islamic characters, your Quran includes them. You guys don't have any ORIGINAL ISLAMIC PROPHETS?. Why didn't you use Mohammed? Why is Allah only interest in Biblical prophets?

You lift stories from the Bible and twist them. Where in the Bible will you read that Abraham killed 4 birds? SUCH NONSENSE. And you come here and offer them as proof. THERE WAS NO PROPHET IN THE BIBLE THAT IS COMPARED TO JESUS - NOT ONE. Your Mohammed doesn't even COME CLOSE. He was poisoned by a Jewish woman and died of it.

So your attempt at [size=18pt]MANIFEST ION == CREATION[/size] lacks evidence mate. Try harder. It is only Jesus in your Quran that has the ABILITY OF CREATION. Your Allah didn't choose anyone else.

vedaxcool: The above questions has gone no way it is here to stay till it get a response . . . Phew for a moment there I thought the man who his god address as a dog had done the unthinkable SUICIDE all because he didn't want to fulfill his words by becoming a muslim that would have bothered me for 2 seconds, but I am glad he did not die a dog deaths! what next?

My Paul My Paul Why have thou forsaken me? Evangelism by Lies!

You can continue to quote and paste your illogical conclusions but your conclusions are not in the Quran - are they? Allah must give you extra 72 virgins for all the hard work you are doing .

WHENEVER YOU FIND A MUSLIMS PROPHET THAT HAS THE POWER OF CREATION LIKE JESUS - THEN OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND TALK

So far, you have been shouting empty air and pasting your crack-o-barrow in every thread for it to appear important. Try harder Imam vexacool

vedaxcool: Personally no one expect much from one who god calls him a dog buhahaha the challenge met here over and over again maybe this best time to shout why why have you forsaken me ;

No so far no attempt has been made to address the final push above, none, answering the above question would be suicidal for a career liar in any case we take solace in the fact that this is critically the nature of people like him, just as his master does!

Imagine the same Jesus you claimed call others "dog" is the same Jesus "Allah" gave power of creation. I wonder why he didn't give Mohammed that power. Allah seemed to like the Jewish prophets because they were the only ones that performed miracles but for some reason Allah didn't want Mohammed to have miraculous powers. Allah must really like this Jesus . Allah likes him so much he mentions Jesus more times in the Quran than your prophet Mohammed.

Vexacool for some reason doesn't see that. To justify the hate Allah has for Jews and Christians, he wants to drag Jesus into the same boat. As if that is not enough - He has started personal attacks - Alexis is a career liar, and insulting Jesus in the process. However, when we talk about How Mohammed killed innocent people and his sexual lust - He is the 1st one to shout - we are insulting Islam.

The fact that the deity of Jesus bothers you so much is my fun side kick for the weekend . More funny is the fact that your Allah endorses Jesus. If you don't like it - GO JUMP OFF A BRIDGE. Write a book about it, start an Islamic school - However, it wouldn't change what your god said about Jesus - JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THE POWER OF CREATION IN YOUR QURAN.

vedaxcool: I think it is deaf dumb and blind they shall never return to the path for they are false to themselves.

Even Jesus said something similar: seeing the see not, hearing they hear not!

Lol all his lies because he foolishly boasted and when he was shown the truth, tears and lies were hired to save the day, when would this man honor his words and become a muslim? Abi there is no honor from where he is from?

Tears and lies huh - Isn't that a movie? The challenge still stands. So far, you have actively been TRYING TO GIVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE LIVING BEINGS to Biblical characters in your Quran. Allah didn't but some-how vexacool does.

It's funny because:

1. First, you tried to disprove it - It didn't work
2. Then you tried to help tintingz out - it wasn't enough
3. Then you tried to put words in Allah mouth - it back-fired

So, the only other thing to do is attack me . I have jujitsu training in a bit, let me go spar with my team-mates. I await your next concussion.

If na my reputation you want to attack, you have the floor. Your Quran is clear mate - Allah cursed Jews and Christians. Because I mentioned that, it offended you so much you went on "Jesus calls gentiles" dog spree. In doing that, you fail to realize that you justify my point.

It's not common on NL for muslims to twist 360 degrees when their Quran comes under the micro-scope. Your god curse Jews and Christians and you come here and talk about racism. , lol. You are funny.

Your brothers are BOMBING innocent people in the US and attempting to kill people and cause havoc in Canada and you are here talking about Jesus

tintingz: Na waa o... alexis no wan gree sha

I understand you Mr. You dont wanna accept the truth, you keep repeating same question just for arguement sake... Oga oo Allah(swt) has already talked about people like you in the Quran

Tintingz - WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT MARY WAS 9 WHEN JESUS MARRIED HER?

vedaxcool: Regardless of whether u are happy or unhappy does not affect telling the truth in fact I care less if u r currently in a state of tears , your words are your burden, writing in red does not change your words, that Moses. Created a. Live snake from a dead wood is FACT! Cry all u want, Abraham RECREATED a bird that was cut into several portions and lo they were all brought back to life FACT all this happen by Allah's leave! You started your question with lies Yet we patiently bore with you,now ur challenge has been met, u are begging for amnesty like the christian Haram that attempted to burn down a mosques in Nyanya Abuja; you are eminently a joke: this quote still stands unanswered

lol, me cry - over your LIES! Haha. You can tell your lies a million and one times - it wouldn't change the prints that Allah wrote in your Quran . Paste it all over NL and tell all your muslim brethren will not change Allah's mind about Jesus.

vexacool

Maybe you are blind or playing pretend, I don't know. If you insist that Jesus calls Christians or Gentiles dogs, that is your delusional inheritance -

Did the author that wrote the book and the verse believe it - certainly not. But you insist Jesus meant we are dogs. Jesus was kind enough to his woman he called a "dog", He must have "hated" her so much because He healed her daughter.

Maybe Allah should have learned a lesson from Jesus, wouldn't you think? Heal people instead of cursing them.

It's amazing because you mention Jesus so much than you mention your own prophet. It's no surprise Jesus is mentioned so many times in your Quran than your own prophet. Allah spoke highly of Jesus but vexacool is smarter than Allah. Vexacool understands the Quran more than Allah

vedaxcool: Lol you would really need to cry hard for this question to disappear or better beg Seun to delete this entire section from Nairaland for you to save your honor here it is again, no amount pleas or threats or mockery can shield this truth that would stare your conscience till eternity!



Both the story of Moses and Abraham meets your challenge, but we wonder are you honorable enough even it is certain you are a liar, are honorable enough to live to your words? We certainly know (though we wish we would be disappointed) you aren't! Failure to live up to your words is not new, EVANGELISM BY LIES thou are of satan!




2:260 And [mention] when
Abraham said, "My Lord, show me
how You give life to the
dead." [ Allah ] said, "Have you
not believed?" He said, "Yes, but
[I ask] only that my heart may be
satisfied." [ Allah ] said, "Take
four birds and commit them to
yourself. Then [after slaughtering
them] put on each hill a portion of
them; then call them - they will
come [flying] to you in haste. And
know that Allah is Exalted in
Might and Wise."

I never tire to tell people

You can paste it a million times, it still doesn't change anything mate. The Bible never mentions Allah so I wonder how Jesus can work Miracle by Allah - another cheap lie in Islam.

You keep saying Moses changed the wood into a snake - READ MY POST WELL, I SAID CREATED - MOSES NEVER CREATED A SNAKE - YET YOU CALL ME A LIAR. Look at the Surah

Surah 26:32 === So (Moses) threw his rod, and behold, it was a serpent, plain (for all to see)!

WHERE IN THAT SURAH DID IT SAY MOSES CREATED THE STAFF INTO A SERPENT?

So, you can come up with your own theory and rationalize it but history is not on your side. Your Quran never said anything about Moses creating a snake from a staff. Na you they force Moses to create snake oh - Omo, na wa ooo!

Surah 26:32[/b] === So (Moses) threw his rod, and behold, it was a serpent, plain (for all to see)!

[size=18pt]WHERE IN THAT VERSE DID YOU SEE HE CREATED THE SERPENT?[/size]

I will tell you again, I was careful not to mention the miracle of raising the dead because I know it wasn't only Jesus that raised the dead. Elijah did as well. SO, RAISING THE DEAD IS NOT THE ACT OF CREATION. You tend not to read before you start talking.

You all seen to have forgotten what you are here for. You didn't come to this world to play games. Awaken, you all!

002.036 فَأَزَلَّهُمَا الشَّيْطَانُ عَنْهَا فَأَخْرَجَهُمَا مِمَّا كَانَا فِيهِ وَقُلْنَا اهْبِطُوا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ وَلَكُمْ فِي الأرْضِ مُسْتَقَرٌّ وَمَتَاعٌ إِلَى حِينٍ
002.036 Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."

002.037 فَتَلَقَّى آدَمُ مِنْ رَبِّهِ كَلِمَاتٍ فَتَابَ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّهُ هُوَ التَّوَّابُ الرَّحِيمُ
002.037 Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

002.038 قُلْنَا اهْبِطُوا مِنْهَا جَمِيعًا فَإِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ مِنِّي هُدًى فَمَنْ تَبِعَ هُدَايَ فَلا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ
002.038 We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. Al-Qur'an, 002.036-038 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])


007.024 قَالَ اهْبِطُوا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ وَلَكُمْ فِي الأرْضِ مُسْتَقَرٌّ وَمَتَاعٌ إِلَى حِينٍ
007.024 (Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." Al-Qur'an, 007.024 (Al-Araf [The Heights])


020.123 قَالَ اهْبِطَا مِنْهَا جَمِيعًا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ فَإِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ مِنِّي هُدًى فَمَنِ اتَّبَعَ هُدَايَ فَلا يَضِلُّ وَلا يَشْقَى
020.123 He said: "Get ye down, both of you,- all together, from the Garden, with enmity one to another: but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery. Al-Qur'an, 020.123 (Ta-Ha [Mystic letters Ta-Ha])

I don't doubt that that Allah said what you just wrote. However, he quoted and said these as well in the same Quran:

Surah 9:29 = "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Surah (9:111) = "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, [b]and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."[/b]. Why is Allah asking people to fight and kill and be killed as well. Aren't we all suppose to be united and live in peace?

Surah (48:29) = "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" = Who are the believers here and who are the disbelievers. Didn't the Quran teach we should all live in peace?

vedaxcool

You still didn't answer my question.

Had she taken what He said as an insult, as it sounds to you, her faith would have been damaged and her daughter would not have been healed. It is obvious that she understood His reference as nothing more than a metaphor. Jesus calls us his sheep and He is our shepard, DOES THAT MEAN LITERALLY WE ARE SHEEPS

Christians are Christ sheep and He is our Shepard. Does that Literally mean we are ANIMALS?

Na your Allah vex so much that he placed a CURSE on people because they have a different religious view that he. Here is one of your Hadiths:

Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:

Allah's Msessenger (may peace be upon him) said: The last hour will not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the muslims will kill then until the jews will hide themselves behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: Muslims, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him, but the Gharqad tree will not say this, for it is the tree of the jews.

Na Jesus you wan come drag into the picture and claimed he called a woman dog and as a result, he hates us. Go chop your ogi and akara abeg.

ayenny02: Pls explain;

"Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful.  A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you!  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30)"

Can I ask my question now?

vedaxcool: The above nails the lies of alexis, the fact that I have gone as low as breaking down the information into tiny bits for all to see, shows us all, evangelism by lies in action. It makes it clear that a man who has no honor would not keep to his words, the fact that you have been show what you demanded puts the burden upon you to live up to your words, I have already confined you to my book of liars, but you still have the chance to live to your challenge and save your honor! Maybe being a muslim would abolish lies from your craig list!

So you accept the bible to be corrupted?

Lol

Omo, you can attack my reputation all you want - it doesn't move me . The burden of proof isn't on me. My test case still stands - NO OTHER PROPHET IN YOUR QURAN HAS THE ABILITY OF CREATION EXCEPT JESUS.

So, fight it, twist it, bend it over, shake it, shout, scream, infact DIE - It doesn't change the fact that THERE IS NO OTHER PROPHET THAT YOUR ALLAH DEEMED WORTHY WITH THE POWER OF CREATION EXCEPT [size=15pt]JESUS[/size].

If Allah wanted other prophets to have the same power of creation - don't you think, he would have said the same thing of Moses or Abraham (I wonder why he didn't even pick Mohammed). But for some reason, you tend to know more than Allah. It irks you so much that Jesus could not be a mortal man from your own Quran and you can't seem to live with that

Omo, swallow a chill bill.

Infoman51: so u mean if person A has physical advantage over person B. It is allow according to bible for person A to beat person B severely to cast out evil from person B. Wich mean husband wu always naturally has physical power over his wife is allow to beat his wife severely to cast out evil in her.

For example - When a thief is caught stealing - what do they do to him? No be beat them they beat am? The beating is the discipline that he shouldn't steal again.

The verse never taught that beating should be used as a tool for oppression or domination but as correction. Abeg, read am well

Oga vexacool - Answer my question and stop going around in circles - WHAT OTHER PROPHET IN YOUR QURAN HAS THE POWER OF CREATION LIKE JESUS.

You tried Moses - E NO WORK
You tried Abraham - E NO WORK

What about your prophet Mohammed? You never try am oh . The burden of proof is not on me; I didn't write your Quran and you don't need the Bible to understand your Quran so stop dragging the Bible in the picture. It's the same Bible you claim is lost and corrupt but wouldn't mind twisting and quoting it when it is appropriate for you.

vedaxcool: lol how do one interpret this sort of behavior?

Can a god calling you and the entire non jewish race dog be done out of love?
This is the simple question, how does one calling you a dog be out of love? Or does dog in jewish language means love? the hypocrisy of christian minds like alexis's is always a source of enigma and comedy indeed, they love to worship a god who clearly labeled their entire race (every other race in the world excepting jews) dog,

Lesson, remove the wood in your eyes before you try removing the speck from others.

So your defense to Allah cursing Jews & Christians is to drag Jesus into the picture abi? Sha, the things muslims do to protect Allah. . Allah don suffer ooooooooh!

If indeed Jesus insulted her - why didn't she get offended? Your education stops when you open your Quran and your common sense disappears Cha! Some-people, lol

Time for Bible Education = Had she taken what He said as an insult, as it sounds to you, her faith would have been damaged and her daughter would not have been healed. It is obvious that she understood His reference as nothing more than a metaphor. Jesus calls us his sheep and He is our shepard, DOES THAT MEAN LITERALLY WE ARE SHEEPS.

It amazes me how some-people can't use common sense.

Mintayo: i will still insist that you don't answer him...he will just be picking a part of the Bible(possibly shown to him by his imam) and twist them,that is what he knows best...he will just be arguing further,that is what he knows best!

Thanks mate - we need to educate both of them together. He and his Imam.

Proverbs 20:29 == Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful.

Explanation == The glory of young men is their strength - Scarcely any young man affects to be wise, learned, etc.; but all delight to show their strength and to be reputed strong. Agility, one evidence of strength, their particularly affect; and hence their various trials of strength and fleetness in public exercises. And the beauty of old men is the gray head - They no longer affect strength and agility, but they affect wisdom, experience, prudent counsels, etc., and are fond of being reputed wise, and of having respect paid to their understanding and experience.

Providers 20:30 == A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you

Explanation == Discipline is an antidote for evil. The verse doesn't explain who should use this and who shouldn't. It was making a statement that beating can be used as a means of control evil in a person.

I have addressed one of your questions. As AGREED, we will ask one question at a time. You asked me to explain 3 verses and not one. Are we on track

ayenny02: You don't see d question I asked u to explain, those verses from proverb.

You threw a question out there and didn't address me. Remember, we had an agreement. Please ask the question so I can answer. Thanks

ayenny02: in any society, there is tradition and there is religion and anything that contrary to what Islam says will not be accepted including Saudi Arabia. Anything that contrary to what Quran and Hadith(authentic) will not be accepted.

There is no law in saudi arabia that forbid women not to drive in islam?

During the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) when there were no cars, and horses and camels were the only means of transport, and the blessed members of the Prophet’s family, his wives and daughters used them. In fact the Prophet (PBUH) commented in an authentic hadith of Al-Bukhari, “The best women who ride camels are the women of Quraysh.”

There is no enforceable law which prevents women from driving, rather it is only a cultural norms. And if you see the law from their law in saudi arabia u can bring it.


Are u now telling me that u don't see those muslim in nigeria that use veil with driving.

I don't know who you are addressing but I didn't ask you any question. I am still waiting for your question

ayenny02: Let me answerr ur question abt banning women ffrom driving?

I never asked you any question about banning women from driving. I don't believe there were cars and automobiles when the Quran was compiled. You must have me confused with someone else.

I give you the floor, please ask your question. Remember ONE question at a time

I will engage ayenny02. Go ahead and ask your questions related to the subject at hand

ayenny02: I don't know why people dodging question, I asked u to explain, is there anything wrong in telling u to explain.

If u studies Quran and hadith in school, does it mean u will understand what Quran and hadith says on particular issue.

You don't need to challenge me to bring proof, islam is not a religion of opinion or head, islam is religion of bring ur proof. If u can see from my first comment, I made mention what Quran and Hadith says abt d topic and how some people misused the it.

Back to my question pls explain?

You asked for it. Before I engage you, I will like to for us to agree on some rules. For example:

1. You ask one question at a time and the other party responds. We ANSWER the question with sources from the Quran, Hadith and the Bible. Is that acceptable?
2. All evidence and proof should be from the Bible, Quran and Hadith and no where else. Agreed?

If you agree to the above, then I will engage you

Mintayo: please don't argue with the guy,He is very good in twisting the Bible- and i guess he loves the Bible so much that he has been reading it to find faults. And again derailing from threads is his hubby(i am not surprised).
@ayeni,leave the Bible and focus on the topic-comparing Bible and quran? Mba,kowole...

It's a common tactic to go off-topic and digress to another irrelevant subject by muslim apologist. I will engage him if he wants proof. A muslims here claimed Mary (mother of Joseph) was 9 years old when she married Joseph because I brought up the FACT (with evidence by the way in the Hadith and Quran) that Mohammeds wife Aisha was a girl of 6 when he married her and 9 when he consummated the marriage. I then asked the guy for evidence where Mary was 9 - AS WE SPEAK, he hasn't provided one.

ayenny02: I don't know how u pass ur WAEC, I asked you people to explain simple question and you insulted. If you look at my previous comment, I explained abt the treatment of women from d Quran and Hadith, and I now asked you people to explain those verses to compare it 2geda, is any criminal in it.

Dude - why should I explain the text you quoted from the Bible when you have totally mis-represented it. Also, how did the Bible get into this discussion. Isn't the thread about Islam and women and how they are treated. I didn't school in Nigeria so I didn't pass WAEC but I was taught that you should stick to the theme and topic when talking.

Omo, there are some of us that has STUDIED the Quran and Hadith since we were kids and we know it. I will challenge you to prove your points with EVIDENCE OH

ayenny02: Does christianity allow wife beating?

The Concept of Beating in the Bible:

"Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful.  A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you!  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30)"

"Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the wrongs that others do.  If you have good sense, it will show when you speak.  But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick.  If you have good sense, you will learn all you can, but foolish talk will soon destroy you.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 10:12-14)"

"A curse you don’t deserve will take wings and fly away like a sparrow or a swallow.  Horses and donkeys must be beaten and bridled— and so must fools.  Don’t make a fool of yourself by answering a fool.  (From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 26:2-4)"

LET OUR CHRISTIANITY TO COME AND EXPLAIN THOSE BIBLE VERSE ABOVE TO COMPARE IT WHAT ISLAM SAYS

Oh Shut Up! What has the Bible got to do with Wife Oppression and women rights in Islam. Can't you stick to the topic and leave the Bible out of this?

If you want education on how a woman should be treated in a marriage based on Christian principles and teachings, I will gladly engage and debate with you. I will bring FACTS from your Quran and Hadith about how prophet Mohammed treated women. Then we can compare them side to side so you should see that there is a legitimate reason for wife beating in your Quran.

Enjoying this ................

Hey mate, hope you had a good day.

Allaah (SWT), has a challenge, for people like you. Write ten suras like it.
011.013 أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِعَشْرِ سُوَرٍ مِثْلِهِ مُفْتَرَيَاتٍ وَادْعُوا مَنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
011.013 Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth! Al-Qur'an, 011.013 (Hud [Hud])

What Surahs are you talking about? I can bring certain Surahs that I need some clarification on if that is what you are asking?

I don't know who it was exactly, but Saul/Paul, was present it seems to me: Acts 11:25-26. Is he a prophet that you follow him?

Get your facts straight next time . However, I will be interested to know

If it is not in your Bible, why do you follow something obviously fashioned from your own desire? And, I didn't say that I understood trinity. In fact I find it quite confusing. Why do you need three gods?

Again, the WORD Trinity is not in the Bible. The WORD GodHead is in the bible and it means the same thing. There is no need to visit this again mate - You understand the concept of an atom, that is enough for me

Your relating an atom to three gods, is proof of the materialistic nature, of the gods that you've fashioned in your brain consciousness.

The example I gave was so YOU COULD RELATE, I wasn't relating God to an atom - IT WAS AN ELEMENTARY example for you to understand SINCE YOU HAVE SUCH A HARD-TIME UNDERSTANDING the concept of the Holy Trinity but you can easily grasp the physics concept of an Atom or the different states of water . Again - you don't have to believe or accept it.

You mentioned it; you should know.

Fair enough - this is a whole topic altogether so I will leave it.

Who ever you are getting your stories/examples, from is not the One True God, Allaah (SWT). Obviously, someone is lying to you.

If they are stories, please refute them with EVIDENCE and provide FACTUAL EVIDENCE. So far that is what I have done and you have called them stories.

What if HE (SWT), did? They were instructed, to believe in Allaah (SWT), the Last Day, to forbid that which Allaah (SWT), has forbidden, by HIS (SWT), messenger, and to acknowledge the religion of truth. And you continue to call Prophet Jesus PBUH, the son of Allaah (SWT), even though you have been warned of your error. You people must love the Fire!

You claim Allah is God Almighty, yet he will curse the very same people he created because they hold a different religious view-point? So, if you had a son, he grew up and when he was in college, you instructed him to read and become and doctor but instead he choose to be a lawyer - you would curse him?

I find it hard to digest that the Allah can't love the very same people he "created". How am I suppose to relate with Him?

In between, you still haven't told me how many days Allah created the world

What has Jesus got to do with Allah cursing Jews and Christians? Allah was cursing Jews and Christians because of their belief. Why would the "maker" or "God" of the muslims curse the people He "supposedly" created because their religious view-point is different - FIGURE THAT OUT.

I am tempted to explain the story of "The Syrophoenician Woman's Faith" to you but I see you are trying to compare Allah's solemn utterance to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on Jews & Christians - that is the definition of a CURSE by the way with the faith of the Syrophoenician Woman.

IF ONE HEALS YOUR SICK CHILD DOES HE DO IT OUT OF HATE. Again, please leave Jesus out of this to prove the HATE Allah had for Christians and Jews

tintingz: ^^ Daz all...!!

. We are still waiting for PROOF that Mary was 9 when she married Joseph

vedaxcool: So you are now denying; why the lies?




26:32 So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest

what were you rebutting? Evangelism by lies I hail thee!

I rest my case, Moses performed an oustanding feat, from a wood/staff he created a live snake, then the live snake ate other sanke and then Moses turned the live snake back to a staff, superb feat by any mention, the same moses ripped open a pathway thru the sea, something that occurs mostly when a tsunami happens, anyway, Moses created life from a dead wood!

EOD

[b][size=20pt]So, with all your education, MANIFESTATION = CREATION abi[/size]. Cha Cha Cha Cha.

The flaw in your argument is this - Your Quran DESCRIBED EXACTLY HOW THE BIRD WAS CREATED:

Surah 5:110 === When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; [size=15pt]and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird[/size] by My permission, [size=15pt]and didst blow upon it and it was a bird[/size] by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic

Let us COMPARE YOUR MOSES "CREATION"

Surah 26:32 === So (Moses) threw his rod, and behold, it was a serpent, plain (for all to see)!
Faalqa AAasahu fa-ithahiya thuAAbanun mubeenun

So, what is the difference between what Moses did and the Egyptians magicians did? Let me tell you - NOTHING. That is why the Bible says - The devil can appear to be an "Angel of Light". He can MANIFEST (appear to look like) but he can't be an Angel of light.

Can you describe to me the process of creation from that Surah vexacool? Surah 5:110 described how the bird was created, Jesus breathe into it after forming it out of clay.

[size=20pt]MANIFESTATION != CREATION[/size]. Go look up the meaning of both words then come back and TRY AGAIN. It's amazing how SOOOO MANY MUSLIMS are trying yet they can't even COME CLOSE. From muslim moderators to muslims that can't backup anything they say like tintingz