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The most important thing is to teach us what the Quran and Hadith says on how muslim men should treat women. We don't have to put personal interpretations in it or read books to understand it. I will appreciate it verses from the Quran or Hadiths can be quoted so we can get factual evidence.

vedaxcool: SO did Moses actually do? lol why do you like Lying? or are insuating the staff was already a snake or the staff transformed on its own accord? . . . the challenge is what did Moses actually do?

- Staff was a dead piece of wood

- Moses turns staff into [size=18pt]living[/size] Snake -----> created life from the non living

- [size=18pt]living[/size] Snake swallows up other snake ---------------> the created life making tangible actions

- Moses turns [size=18pt]living[/size] Snake back to dead staff

Simply put it Moses, created life from a dead wood? or do you deny the wood did not become a living snake? Poor you, stake you entire belief for miracles, which have been outsandingly done by Moses, what sensible people I know do, is they copnvert from one religion to another because the other religion offers something better . . . Jesus describe people like you as sinful and adultrours generation;

A Sinful and aldutrous generation seeketh after a sign . . .

Please quote the verses that said Moses CREATED the snake? Also, please tell us if you are quoting the Bible or quoting the Quran

vedaxcool: But you can follow a god that hates non Jews?

Mark
7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
7:29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
7:30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

What has the Book for Mark in the NT has to do with Allah cursing Jews and Christians? Side-stepping the question I raised and trying to taint the image of Jesus

If He hated her - why did He heal her daughter?

Hey mate, how's it going. I hope you are well

I can understand why, considering some of the unbefitting utterances found in the Old Testament Bible, will not be found in Al-Qur'an. What I cannot understand is how someone could believe God spoke something so beneath HIS (SWT), Exalted status.

You lost me here, what are you talking about?

Muhammad PBUH, received The Holy Qur'an from Allaah (SWT), through the Arch Angel Jibril/Gabriel; The Spirit of Truth.

Many times when Muhammed said that a sura had just descended from heaven, many Arabs suspected something was fishy. And so, we have this verse:

"Whenever there cometh down a surah, the look at each other, (Saying), "Doth anyone see you (when it was coming down from heaven)? Then they turn aside: Allah hath turned thier hearts (from the light): for they are a people that understand not - Surah 9:127

History tells us that Mohammed had a "Christian" friend called Jabr, whom Mohammed always visited at Marwah Quarters, not too far from his house. The allegation was that when Mohammend visited Jabr and heard the stories of the Bible, some were put on record. People believed that Mohammed usually presented these parchments and claimed he had received them hot from heaven through the angel Gabriel. Mohammed refuted this strong allegation through another "revelation" from "Gabriel" in Surah 16:103.

Surah 16:103 says that it couldn't be Jabr because he was of a foreign tongue and the revelations came down in Arabic. So, the Quran is denying that it was Jabr because he couldn't speak Arabic. The question is this - How could Habr be a close friend to Muhammed (if he did not understand arabic?). Jabr lived long in Arabia. Besides, Mohammed was an illiterate and understood no other language. We must also realize that Mohammed main secretary was a Jew. That means too that the Jewish background of Jabr could not be a plausible reason why he couldn't have helped Mohammed in his collection of what is now called the Quran.

Let us visit the claim again from the Quran that it couldn't have been Jabr that was helping Mohammed. The reason the Quran gave was that Jabr didn't speak pure and clear Arabic. So, the Quran is saying that all it's contents are in "Pure Arabic". However, there are Persian, Syriac, Hebrew, Old Egyptian, Assyrian and Greek words in the Arabic Quran. There are over 107 non Arabic words in the Quran. So, the claim that the Quran is in pure and clear Arabic doesn't hold water and the revelation of "Angel Gabriel" has some question mark on it. The use of many foreign words, rather than supporting Muhammed's defense, is strong evidence to the contrary, indicating that the mysterious finger behind the Quran is that of a man who knew more than one language.

People like you (DevotedOne) don't want to believe that Mohammeds "visions" could have been obtained from other sources. They do not want to believe that quite a number of people who surrounded him were acquainted with the stories in the Bible. History is not on your side mate. I WILL SAVE MORE FOR MY NEXT POST

Again, your argument probably should be regarding language. The key word, is submission or, surrender: Muslim, Salaam, Shalom, etc.. Think about that. God, is still God. As I have mentioned some people claim that God is nameless. What of, "I AM THAT I AM." As an aside; there was no 'Christian' when Jesus PBUH, was on the earth! Paul, named you all Christians.

It is not a matter of language, it's matter of history and facts. Your Quran tries to identify who the first muslim was contrary to what you are saying:

When Islam fully developed, Muhammed said Islam started from the creation of man, so Adam was the first muslim. However, Surah 6:14, 163 says that Muhammed was the first to surrender to Allah and become a muslim. Yet Surah 7:143 days Moses was the first muslim. So, this disarms your argument that it is a matter of language. You Quran gave 3 different stories on who the first muslim was and it wasn't even sure who it was.

You are right, the followers of Christ weren't called Christians when Jesus was alive. Can you please tell me in the Bible were PAUL NAMED the followers of Christ Christians.

Because the original message was the same as the present message in the Holy Qur'an. Its just that plain. Nothing difficult. This thing that Paul concocted (trinity), is repugnant. Who would not reject it?

Again, Trinity isn't a word that can be found in the Bible. I don't expect you to believe it. However, it's sufficient that you understand it

I am really surprised that Christians will accept something so underhanded, as if it was truth. I must wonder about how, this stealthily formulated doctrine, could have beguiled, so many, for so long a period of time.

Again, I don't expect you to believe it - the FACT that you can relate the Holy Trinity to an atom or vice-versa is sufficient to me. I had to give you a trivial example to comprehend of basis of the Christian faith.

Before I get to the very simple proof, I want to say that true Christians believe in one God, not three. Almost every true Christian denomination or nominal Christian denomination will point out in their statement of fundamental truths that there is only one God. As one reads the Bible assisted ONLY by the Holy Spirit of God, one will clearly see that...

The Father Is God
The Son Is God
The Holy Spirit Is God

BUT there is only God, and can be only one God.

The word "Trinity", while not found in the Bible, expresses in one word, the truth of the Bible that there is one God subsisting as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Instead of the word "Trinity", you will find the word "Godhead"

Let me break it down for you again:

1. There is only one of you or me, we are a body, soul, and spirit
2. There is one substance called water, but it is usually -- found as water, ice, and vapor

You're saying that the Bible is not about deliverance from the power and effects of sin. I've noticed in the verses that I 'd posted previously, that there is the inclination towards 'fooling around'. Is that what you are intimating/hinting at? Concerning violence; war is an act of vigorous conflict, is it not?

That is not what I am saying - the Bible consists of many books. Some talk about prophecies (Isaiah & Jeremiah), some talk about wisdom (Book of Proverbs), Others about poetry and praise to God (Psalms), The creation of the world (Genesis) and so many. Not all the books of the Bible is about salvation. I hope that makes sense

There is a big difference between wars and violence. Check your dictionary

You will have to stop with the innuendo's, towards your Lord God, otherwise I am not permitted to continue with this conversation.
You must tell me what makes them different, mate. I only see similarities in them. They both -- Jesus and Muhammad PBUT, -- prayed to the same God, bowing and prostrating, etcetera. Whom do you believe Jesus PBUH, was praying to if not Allaah (SWT), the Only God. Again, you are only playing with words. I've not detected any sincere effort on your part to grasp the enlightening understanding, of the Infinite Immortal God. You portray God, as a man needing food, shelter, sleep, protection from enemies, and the requirement to use the toilet. That is not befitting of Allaah (SWT), Most Gracious, Ever Merciful, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist.

Let me make it simple for you:

1. If we serve the same God - you would believe Jesus is the son of God
2. Allah said Jesus didn't die and wasn't raised from the dead. God of the Bible said Jesus did
3. Allah says Jesus created a living bird from clay. God of the bible never said anything like that

These are just trivial and simple examples. How can the same God, give two different accounts to the same story?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? What did you find to be 'not clear'? Allaah (SWT), wants HIS (SWT), servants to 'think'. HE (SWT), made the earth in two days, and completed the earth's appropriations - mountains, blessings, sustenance, etc. in four days. Surely you can gather that together. What is more, these 'day's' need not be earth day's.

070.004 تَعْرُجُ الْمَلائِكَةُ وَالرُّوحُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ خَمْسِينَ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ
070.004 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Al-Qur'an, 070.004 (Al-Maarij [The Ascending Stairways])

Ha, so you even know more than the author of the Quran. Let me disarm your statements:

1. He wants his servants to think he created it in 2 days: Why would Almighty God want to confuse his subjects mate. Lets read it again S[b]urah 41:9[/b] === Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds

From the verse above, it clearly asks a question. Allah wasn't trying to confuse anyone. So try harder. At least tell us how many days Allah create the world for a start

I am certain the verse('s) do not refer to believers, those in submission to Allaah (SWT).

Say what? He clearly states that He doesn't like Jews & Christians - How can you deny that?

Surah 9:29-30: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

You must have a reading comprehension problem, mate.

The question again is this - Did he curse the Jews and Christians from the Surah above?

maclatunji: The story of Prophet Salih (AS) http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/salih.html

The fact of the matter is upon the establishment of Prophet Muhammad's (AS) as the final messenger, miracles were deemphasized. As it has been established, those miracles do not convince stark unbelievers and often hasten their punishment. However, there is no longer need to hasten punishment, the Hour is at hand.

Whenever God sends a TRUE prophet, God backs it up with EVIDENCE. It's not a matter of unbelief, it's a matter of ordinance - TRUE PROPHET PERFORMS MIRACLES. How can you give someone something that you don't have? How can you give healing to someone if you can't even heal yourself? THE 1ST TEST OF PROPHET HOOD IS MIRACLES. That is why some of us wonder HOW Mohammed can be a prophet when he did perform A SINGLE MIRACLE.

For example, look at the death of Mohammed - he died because of poison. Do you think poison will harm a true prophet? Paul in the bible wasn't even a prophet but he had the backing and mandate of God - he was biten by a viper, do you know what he did - HE SHOOK IT OFF and no harm came to him - GO FIGURE!

Jesus never created a living thing in the Qur'an and it is useless to argue such things with likes of you. You know why? Even the Jews who saw what you call an 'act of creation' did not believe in Jesus (AS). Every Prophet has the signs he was given.

So, you are denying your own Quran now or I am lying, which one. Here is my evidence:

Surah 5:110 === When Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My favour to thee and to thy mother, when I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit; thou spokest to people in the cradle and in old age, and when I taught thee the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel, and when thou didst determine out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then thou didst breathe into it and it became a bird by My permission; and thou didst heal the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the Children of Israel from thee when thou camest to them with clear arguments -- but those of them who disbelieved said: This is nothing but clear enchantment

SO JESUS NEVER CREATED A BIRD ABI - See a Muslim denying His own Quran oh!

The most clear indication of your foolhardiness is that the same Qur'an that you so eagerly seek to use as a reference for your spurious claims clearly states that Jesus never called himself God

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The test was to prove that He wasn't mortal - Go and read my post again.

Are you then seeking to believe and even overemphasis one part of the Qur'an whilst disbelieving in the other?

The Quran claims to be the GREATEST WONDER THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN AND THERE IS NO BOOK LIKE IT. I am simple stating the obvious - JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE QURAN THAT CREATED A LIVING BEING. It is not for me to believe mate - it's your Quran, not mine. I am not under the jurisdiction of Allah, you guys are. I am simply stating what your Quran said and it seems to make you PRETTY UNCOMFORTABLE

I call on my fellow Muslims not to fall into disbelief by saying anybody created anything other than Allah. It is the way of the disbelievers to ask for the impossible and still disbelieve thereafter. The story of the Prophet Salih (AS) comes to mind. For those who don't know, alexis is simply copying an argument from an antiIslamic website.

Haha - so you have turned to the protector of Islam abi? Worried that I am telling the TRUTH from your Quran. God been my witness, I haven't visited any website but simply pointing out the fact from your Quran.

We all know Jesus is in the Quran, so much so that it mentions Him WAY more than prophet Mohammed. So, why would I go about trying to get contents from anywhere else.

[size=15pt]AGAIN, the test is SIMPLE - WHICH OTHER PROPHET IN THE QURAN HAS THE ABILITY OF CREATION. WHY DID ALLAH CHOOSE JESUS ALONE WITH THIS SPECIAL MIRACLE - WHY DIDN'T HE CHOOSE MOHAMMED SINCE MOHAMMED WAS THE "LAST" OF ALL THE PROPHETS?.[/size]

Please answer me from your Quran.

tintingz: ^ Prophet Moses(as) created snake and the snake even swallow the other snakes like amala with ewedu

Please SHOW us where it said Moses [size=18pt]CREATED[/size] the snake. Quote the verse from your Quran let us go over it. Dropping a staff on the ground and it turning to a stick means he created it abi? Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha!

tintingz: OGA VEDAXCOOL I THROW-WAY SALUTE SIR...

*clear throat* Mr. Alexis Moses(as) also created a living creature e.g snake... and stop repeating same sh!ts

*clear throat* Daz all...!!

When have you had anything meaningful to say . Your brother vexa-cool attempted to rescue you, he tried . tintingz, you are yet to provide proof that Mary the mother of Jesus was 9

None of you have been able to tell me what other prophet in the Quran has the ability to create a living being. You had to go to the Bible to borrow some of our prophets abi . However, none of the prophets in the Bible could create any living being either. I stuck with the Quran so we could use only one source before muslims claim the bible is corrupt.

I AM STILL WAITING FOR A PROPHET FROM THE QURAN THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE A LIVING BEING

If God wills, another man will tomorrow create a living creature out of clay (or even a monkey can do same if God wills):-). Gods will will always be done and i believe you understand that except you dont believe God does what he wills. We understand there are somethings God will not do but note that God will not hold back to set forth example as required for man to heed the call to salvation. Quran 2:26

I agree God does what He wills, no doubt about that. However, you will also agree that from your Quran HE HAS WILLED ONLY JESUS THE ABILITY TO CREATE A LIVING BEING. There must be a reason why Allah gave that special privilege to Jesus alone. He didn't give it to ANY OTHER PROPHET including Mohammed. So, if Allah wills a monkey to do it tomorrow or in the future, let us know but for now - [size=15pt]JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WITH THE POWER OF CREATION IN THE QURAN[/size]. I don't think you can deny that. Denying that will be disobeying the Quran

I think for a true seeker of salvation, one needs to first define what he expects of God and possible attributes God should have before concluding.

Do you know the story of How Abraham discovered God, Read Quran 6:76-79

6:76 (Asad) Then, when the night overshadowed him with its darkness, he beheld a star;., [and] he exclaimed, "This is my Sustainer!" -but when it went down, he said, "I love not the things that go down."

6:77 (Asad) Then, when he beheld the moon rising, he said, "This is my Sustainer!"-but when it went down, he said, "Indeed, if my Sustainer guide me not. I will most certainly become one of the people who go astray!"

6:78 (Asad) Then, when he beheld the sun rising, he said, "This is my Sustainer! This one is the greatest [of all]!" - but when it [too] went down, he exclaimed: "O my people! Behold, far be it from me to ascribe divinity, as you do, to aught beside God!

6:79 (Asad) Behold, unto Him who brought into being the heavens and the earth have I turned my face, having turned away from all that is false; and I am not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him."

First of all - you can't use the Quran to tell the story of Abraham - you know why? Because it was recorded in the Jewisish scriptures and in the Bible first. How did prophet Mohammed know about the prophets? How did he know about Abraham, David and Jesus? Were those characters revealed to him or did he learned of them from Jewish and Christian scriptures?

That's blasphemy. Who should know best, man, or his Creator?

You and I don't agree who is the creator and who isn't. For example, It has been proven that Allah and God of the Bible are not the same. Please correct me if I am wrong - how did Mohammed receive the words of the Quran?

You cannot prove that the Bible came before Islam. All of the Prophets PBUT, were in total submission to Allaah (SWT). Hence, they all were Muslims, and they all submitted to Allaah (SWT), in Islam, never mind what name was used for it, in what ever language. Your argument probably should be with language. One Creator Only, made the entire creation. HE, Is The Self-Sufficient, The High Exalted, The Self-Subsisting in whom all subsist. What other god do you know of, that can create anything without the help of Allaah (SWT)? There is none. Because Allaah, Blessed Is HE, Forevermore, Alone, Is God.

I can prove Jesus came before Muhammed - you can't deny that fact. The concept is simple. For example, there were no Christians or anyone called a Christian before Jesus was born. There were Jews and Judaism but not Christians. There were no followers of Christ. So, how can all the prophets like Abraham, David, Elijah be Muslims when they have never heard of Allah. Allah came on the scene when Mohammed came of the scene. I don't think you can argue that. For example, I can't claim Abraham was a Christian because he never heard of Jesus but parts of the Jewish laws and Christian laws are common.

You may give The Only God, a name that makes you glad. Some insist that HE (SWT), Is Nameless. In Islam, Allaah (SWT), Whom Is without gender, is referred to as HE, due to the fact of Adam PBUH, being the first man in creation.

I am not talking about the gender of God. I am talking about His attributes, His character, His teachings, His laws. How can the God of the Bible and Allah be the same if they both teach different things? For example, The God in the Bible confirmed Jesus is His Son. Allah denies that.

The trinity is confusion. I understand the concept of molecular structure. What you fail to come to terms with, is the fact that Allaah (SWT), Is uncreated. And, the fact that HE, All Praise Is Due HIM, had no beginning, (has always existed), and has no end (and cannot die!). Everything else in creation, had a beginning, and will be given an end.

There is a difference between UNDERSTANDING and BELIEVING. You have proven my point. I don't expect you to BELIEVE it but I expect that understanding the concept of the Holy Trinity is as simple as understanding the molecular structure on an Atom

How are any of the verses I've posted related to God? What purpose do they serve regarding a persons salvation? Do you care about who Samson visited? Why was it even mentioned?

The entire Bible is not only about salvation. Just the same way the entire Quran is not only about violence.

What of their similarities? They all submitted to Allaah (SWT), in Islam. You may not recognize what remains of the past religions due to alterations that have taken place in them. Hence, the appearence of Prophet Muhammad Mustafa, with the right Way of life, Qur'an's revelation, to put things into righteous order.

I asked what makes them different mate. How could Jesus submit to Allah when Allah was non existent when Jesus was alive. What proof do you have outside the Quran that Jesus submitted to Allah. Remember, Jesus was a Jew, His life and teachings were recorded in the Bible before the advent of Islam. So, give me some historical facts and evidence that He submitted to Allah outside of the Quran.

I would think that you, not knowing what your Creator knows, should accept HIS (SWT), truthful Word. Allaah (SWT), does not err! Qur'an 5:110, 19:34. Imran is not found in the Bible. Amram can be found in Exodus 6:20, Numbers 26:59, 1Chronicles 1:41. The metaphoric use of 'sister of Aaron' in Qur'an 19:28, need not be taken literally, it is figurative language, I would think. If memory serves me correctly and traditions are accurate, Mary's mother was named Hanna (not Jochebed).

Another blunder. Allah should be consistent when describing biblical events, wouldn't you think? He is suppose to be all knowing - won't you think He should have made it clear as to what He meant? The Bible made it clear when it described Moses, Aaron and other characters of that generation. Your attempt at rescuing the Quran is at best laughable . Here is another one. HOW MANY DAYS DID ALLAH TAKE TO CREATE THE EARTH IN THE QURAN

1. Surah 41:9 Says two days
2. Surah 41:10 says four days
3. Surah 32:4 says six days
4. Surah 7:54, 103 says six days
5. Surah 10:3 says six days

I wouldn't be surprised if you try to add 4 and 2 to say 4,2 and 6 are the same. Of course, the Quran DOES NOT SAY THAT. Can you tell me how many days it took Allah to create the world?

Well, were back to finding the correct word, in whatever language, and which past, correct religion. Then I can tell you truthfully, to follow the Prophets PBUT, of God, as they all will lead you to the religion that Allaah (SWT), The One God, has chosen for you. Qur'an 5:3 Wassalaam. DevotedOne

How can I follow Allah when he doesn't like Jews and Christians?

Surah 9:29-30: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Allah curses Jews & Christians and you want me to follow Him?

vedaxcool:

Why are you lying?

Have you heard the sayimg All liars shall perish?

My question remain simple, the words of the Qur'an are clear, according to Allah's Leave (that is Allah gave him the power to do what he did), that is how Jesus performed the miracle, either you accept the verse in its' entirety or you reject it, you can have it both ways! else point where it says Jesus have the power to create living things else you are aliar! DAZ ALL


Moses turned a dead wood into a living snake according to the Qur'an and then truned it back to its dead wood;




26:32 So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest


It also happened in the bible:

Aaron’s Wooden Staff Becomes a Snake

8 The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron. 9 He said, “Pharaoh will say to you, ‘Do a miracle.’ When he does, speak to Aaron. Tell him, ‘Take your wooden staff and throw it down in front of Pharaoh.’ It will turn into a snake.”

10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh. They did exactly as the Lord had commanded them. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials. It turned into a snake.

11 Then Pharaoh sent for wise men and those who do evil magic. By doing their magic tricks, the Egyptian magicians did the same things Aaron had done. 12 Each one threw his staff down. Each staff turned into a snake. But Aaron’s staff swallowed theirs up.

13 In spite of that, Pharaoh’s heart became stubborn. He wouldn’t listen to them, just as the Lord had said.

2:260 And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [ Allah ] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [ Allah ] said, "[b]Take four birds and commit them to yourself. Then [after slaughtering them] put on each hill a portion of them; then call them - they will come [flying] to you in haste. And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."[/b]

You get an A for Effort mate BUT all you have done is side-stepped the question. I knew you would refer back to the Bible because the Quran has no prophet that HAS PERFORMED any miracle whatsoever .

Still staying in the Quran - MOSES NEVER FORMED/CREATED THE SNAKE OUT OF WOOD mate - READ YOUR QURAN AGAIN. JESUS CREATED A BIRD OUT OF CLAY - [size=15pt]THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE[/size]. Your example doesn't hold water because there is nothing special about his miracle. The same Egyptians magicians did the same as well. However, NONE OF THEM HAD THE POWER TO CREATE A LIVING BEING like JESUS did.

What has raising birds from the dead got to do with creating a living creature? That was why I was careful not to mention the miracle of raising from the dead because Elijah raised a dead boy from the dead.

Pay attention to the question again Bros

vedaxcool: Maybe you really are igniorant of your religion




The Gospel of Barnabas refuted the crci palava



Gospel of barnabas is 1500 years.

Typical example of Islamic defenders - going off topic to prove what - NOTHING. DevotedOne and I was having a good discussion. Please stick to the topic

vedaxcool: Did the Qur'an say other prophets or was specifically reffering to Jesus? That he did what he did because Allah gave him the power to do so? PLease answer if you are truithful. As clearly the verse was speaking of Jesus and say clearly he performed the miracles he did by Allah's leave i.e. Allah gave him the power to do what he did! You can cherry pick on that verse!

Before I show you an example of what you are demanding I ask what do I get for showing you that there are other prophet who did something greater than what you yapping about? I expect that you have an intention for yapping repeatedly over a non issue? SO what will be my gain for showing, would you reject that Jesus is anothe prophet of God with no special powers except given by God?[/b]

Listen - the proof is SIMPLE - show me which other prophet created a living creature. AGAIN, I am not doubting that it is with the power of ALLAH. All I am asking is show me one from your Quran. If you can't find one in the Quran, then go ahead and use the BIBLE. In between, tell us which Bible you are using since the one Christians have is corrupt

If it is a non issue as you have stated - why can't you MENTION ONE PROPHET THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE LIVING THINGS. Your own prophet Mohammed, which miracle did he do? You claim he is the last and greatest of all the prophets - what did He do? He couldn't save himself from poison, talk more of any other kind of miracle.

[size=18pt]MY CHALLENGE STILL STANDS - SHOW ME ANY PROPHET THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE A LIVING THING FROM YOUR QURAN. YOUR QURAN SAID JESUS CREATED A LIVING BIRD OUT OF CLAY. That means Jesus has the power of Creation abi? If I am lying, tell me I am lying. Tell me your Quran didn't say so.[/size]

Keep shooting yourself in the foot

THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET - I "alexis" WILL CONVERT TO ISLAM if vexacool can show me any prophet in the Quran that has the power of creation like Jesus Christ.

If you can't or any muslim can't then you will have confirmed what your Quran said -

1. Jesus Christ has the power of creation.
2. A mortal man doesn't have the power of creation
3. Only God has the power of creation

AND YES - IF GOD HAS THE POWER OF CREATION AND JESUS HAS THE POWER OF CREATION - WHAT DOES THAT MAKE JESUS?

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.
Most of your questions are answered in the appropriate book, as posted above. However, I will attempt some brief answers below.

I rather we chat and talk about it than reading a text without the author engaging me

Paul may have been a mystic of some kind. As I understand it he formulated the trinity doctrine, and others (see Islam In The Bible page 59). It isn't funny either because it is blasphemy. I find it amazing that people try to explain it. It makes no sense to me, as there is no purpose for it.

Contrary to popular belief, the word trinity isn't in the bible, I thought I point that out. Paul didn't invent the RELATIONSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST WITH GOD. Can God have a Son? the Bible says YES; Allah says NO - so this is not Paul doctrine. It's the entire basis of Christianity and the founding principle of every Christian. To Muslims it is blasphemy because you think Jesus Christ is a product of a sexual relationship between Almighty God and a woman. What could be further from the truth. We will get to that

The concept of the God-Head in Christainity (Or Trinity) as most people call it is a source of confusion to all Muslims. And the reason is simple - the author of the Quran or the revelations received by Mohammed from "Gabriel" DENIED THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD..

My question to you is this - The Bible was written 600 years before the advent of Islam. In those 600 years - NO ONE disputed the fact of the deity of Jesus. Jesus was crucified, died on a cross, was buried, rose up from the dead. Ate and stayed with his disciples for many days (to prove He wasn't a Ghost), there were hundreds of witnesses that saw Him alive after He rose from the grave. Bodily ascended into heaven. In all those 600 years, it was never disputed until Mohammed came on the scene. What was Mohammed proof that the Sonship of Jesus Christ was false - He said "Gabriel" revealed it to him from Allah.

So, the implication here is that Allah denied the FACTUAL & HISTORICAL event that happened 600 years ago. Yet Muslims want people to believe that the God of the Bible and Allah are the same.

The Holy Trinity is a simple concept. If you can understand how an atom is made, you should have problem understanding the Holy Trinity. An Atom is a simple matter consisting of protons, neutrons and electrons. If you can understand that - understanding the Holy Trinity shouldn't be rocket science. I will leave it here for now

Judges 16:1; Ruth 3:4; 1Kings 1-4; Genesis 19:30-38; 35:22; 2 Samuel 16:22; 13:11-14; Ezekiel 16:25- ; 23:2-; many others.

Judges 16:1 is a recorded text in the Bible about Samson visiting a prostitute. It talked about the life of Samson, his ups and downs. How is that related to God?

The author draws our attention to Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. The Prophets PBUT, were in total submission to Allaah (SWT). When we accept all of the Prophets PBUT of God, and make no difference between them, we are considered as Muslims. Al-Qur'an 10:72. al muslimeen الْمُسْلِمِينَ - One who submits. In Aramaic - Shlam - surrender - become a moslem.

Let me ask you a simple question - what is the difference between Jesus and Mohammed or any other prophet?

The crucifixion is denied in Islam

. Alot of things are denied in Islam. And a lot of things are not true in the Quran as well. For example, in the Quran, it said Jesus spoke as a baby. Clearly, that is an error. Jesus never spoke as a baby. The Quran said Mary the mother of Jesus was the daughter of Imran (Amram, father of Moses). Mary and Moses were in separate generations. How could that be?

what the author is relating is that Christ Isa [Jesus, PBUH] taught obedience to the Will of Allaah (SWT). He PBUH taught submission or, surrender of the self to Allaah (SWT). Which is being stated as His PBUH, peace - shlama - my way of - obtaining true peace, by totally surrendering soulfully, to Allaah (SWT); "not as the world gives it to you, but as I give it to you." John 14:27 is being related to Al-Qur'an 5:3. Prophet Isa [Jesus, PBUH] is directly telling His PBUH people that in order to be like Him PBUH, you have to be "Mushlam" like He PBUH, was. "Mushlam" is of the same root as Muslim, Islam, Salaam, Shalom, etc.. Mashioome = to convert; to change or turn from one belief or creed to another. To accept or be converted to Moslemism. Mishalmana = Perfect; complete. Mishlam = Completion; End. Mishlama = Moslem; a Mussulman; an Orthodox Mohammedan. You can figure it out for yourselves. Jesus PBUH, prayed as Muslims pray; bowing and prostrating. Christians should follow their teacher.

The above can only be correct if you tell me and prove to me (factual evidence) when Islam started as a religion.

I look forward to hearing from you mate

alnaijiri: You know, Islam and Xtianity have more in common than you think. We recognize that Jesus was a prophet, but he is definitely not God. We also have a lot of similar values. However, the Islamic religion, unlike Xtianity, have a very sophisticated set of laws (aka Sharia) from God Himself that serve a perfect blueprint for a harmonious and prosperous society. Who are we to question Almighty God on His Laws. We are after all, His creations, and the Sharia is instructions to live and to organise society from the Maker Himself.

The BH's atrocious ways are not Islamic. What I have been trying to say is that the same frustration to drive them to such atrocities is the same that drives each Muslim to reflect upon his/her daily interactions with fellow human beings and with God, to do God's will, to make the world a little better. God created all of us because we all have a purpose to fulfill in the world, whatever it is, to make the world a better place so that it would reflect God's glory. That is the entire purpose of Creation: to make the originally imperfect and sometimes evil world become filled with Godliness.

However, when the depraved culture of the South and mainstream Nigerian culture started to infiltrate the Muslim North, through movies, music, politics, but also through daily interactions with Southern merchants, students, etc. The North has been corrupted. Some among the Muslims could instinctively feel in their soul that something was going very wrong: that people no longer followed Islam and put God at the centre of their lives. When they tried to do things to reverse the decay but were met with failures, some of them chose the wrong path of violence and terrorism.

I just hope non-Muslims can understand what the situation is like before calling all Northern Muslims murderers.

Islam and Christianity don't have anything in Common. The core foundation of every Christian life is the deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was crucified, died, rose from the dead, was seen by many witnesses, ate with his disciples after his death to prove he wasn't a ghost, bodily risen to heaven. Muhammed came 600 years later and said all that was a lie because one "Angel Gabriel" told him so. So, what in common do we have again?

Christ is our way of life my friend. Sharia doesn't come close . Sharia is man made - it favors the man more than the woman. A man is allowed to have 4 wives but the woman isn't - is that fair? A muslim isn't allow to change his religion or he will be killed, is that fair? Think before you talk.

BH actions are permitted in your Quran because the Quran provides a legal basis and justification for Jihad. So, BH actions are not Islamic as you want us to believe. Your Quran has so many verses of violence running through it that it is hard to believe Almighty God wants so much violence. Worse still, the author of the Quran didn't make it clear (so muslims like BH will understand) if those verses was in pre-arabia context or can be applied and taken literally.

No body is forcing you to watch movies or listen to western music my friend. Just the same way no one is forcing you to use the Internet which is a Western invention but you use it anyway. The Cellphone, radar, airplanes, automobiles are all western inventions. This very forum you are using is a program written by infidels but you use it and not complain.

Stop living in the stone age mate. Use your common sense, God gave you one

The Clown: And remember that Safiya's dad was also killed by Mohammed in Yathrib and his property and those of tribe confiscated. And Kinana, Aisha's original husband died in the most miserable manner imaginable. He was the keeper of his tribe's treasure. Muhammed ordered him to be tortured so that he can reveal the location of the treasure. Fire was made on hiS chest, it kept burning until he was about to die, then he was beheaded.
If you think this is a lie, indicate interest and I would send you Bukhari and Muslim's collection of Hadiths where the is story is graphically relayed.

Some muslims act like the Quran and Hadith is not available . We are not in the 6th century anymore. We can read and their are records to clarify what happened.

pmc01: No to the first question and yes to the second question.

Please elaborate with backup from the Quran/Hadith

Thanks

cronsberg: Yes i've seen christians practising the violent teachings in the bible. I have seen the "Lords resistance army" in the central african republic kidnap, toture, kill, rape, use child soldiers just like the bible told them to. And on several interviews, Joseph Kony himself said he's doing what god told him to.

I have seen George Bush Practice it, when he said he's doing a crusade in Iraq(I remember how controvercial it became and world leaders were telling him to guard his comments so as not to be percieved as a religious war by the arab world)

I have seen Tymothy Mgve, Anders Brevik, The Ku Klax Clan KKK practice it. They all believed they were fulfilling devine scripture(The Bible)

I have seen the Mormons who believe that black people are cursed by god that why their skin was turned black.

I have seen christian terrorist bomb Abortion clinics and Plant parenthood centers in the U.S and even kill some of the doctors

I have seen German christian terrorists attack and kill homosexuals becuase "the bible didn't agree with homosexuality"

So look here doofies , my brain is not as idle and dead as yours therefore Try decieving somebody else about how christians aren't terrorist because they're christians. Iam not a chriatian, but i know more about the bible than you think and i know all too well about the inconsistencies,terrorism, incest, e.t.c in the bible that were caught by scholars for decades, and clear proof that the original bible was corrupted, but you still hold on to it ignorantly.

I like your objectivity. Let us discuss some of them:

1. George Bush invaded Iraq? How does that make him Christian? There are thousands of Muslim soldiers in the US armed forces serving in Iraq and elsewhere? The last time I checked, America is a secular state and not a religious one. So, your argument here doesn't hold water

2. Tymothy Mgve, Anders Brevik, The Ku Klax Clan KKK practice it: So the KKK is a religious group? I lived in Stone Mountain, part of Georgia in the US. The Stone mountain is an actual mountain where the KKK used to take blacks and burn them those days. The State of Georgia in the US condemned them as racist group and we all know the KKK was a hate and racist group - can you provide proof on how they became a Christian Group? So, Tymothy Myve and Andres Brevik are Christian Terrorist because Jesus Christ told them to commit the horrific crimes they did. So, their motivation and justification was taken from Jesus - Hmmmmm, interesting - please enlighten me.

3. I have seen the Mormons who believe that black people are cursed by god that why their skin was turned black: How does that make them Christians or spread violence?

4. I have seen christian terrorist bomb Abortion clinics and Plant parenthood centers in the U.S and even kill some of the doctors - Please provide some proof so we can investigate.

I look forward to hearing from you mate

hotwax: nOnly if you attend those chuches or want hot miracle. Ateast nobody is bombing something. Hope you can see the difference.

Thats associated to Nigerian pastors. Its not common to Christians world wide.

[size=15pt]But islam is the same from America to Pakistan. Violence and blood is the symbol. The religion of piss[/size]

cronsberg has a valid point. The molestation case in Catholic Circles where Priests are preying on young boys is DISGUSTING. The law-suits against the Catholics Church is alarming in the US. Personally, it disgust and irritates me - they should be jailed and such crimes should be considered rape. Every honest Christian should condemn such actions because Jesus never taught it.

The pastors in Nigeria with Mega Churches are no different - They are millionaires and living in wealth but their congregation wallows in poverty and lack. Can't those churches create programs for economic empowerment for their congregation? DO such churches openly discuss the finances of the church? A a church member of any denomination, you are entitled to know how the money you donate is been spent. In Nigeria, it is the other way around.

Islam is no different, the oil wealth of entire countries are own by one family i.e. Saudi Arabia is one of them. They put harsh laws on their people but you can find their princes in Cyprus and the Islands enjoying and having fun with Indifel women. Sunnis and Shias dey fight all the time.

All is all. The life of Jesus should be the example of every Christian. As well as the life of Muhammed to muslims. If anyone believes in stone, they shouldn't throw it at others. I am sure majority of muslims are peaceful people and law abiding people. The bad eggs in their midst are the ones spoiling their name and image. So, we MUST find out why those bad eggs are getting their teachings from.

DMainMan: Guy u are still a learner. Ur oga on top didn't teach you well. Of course, The Prophet Married her due to d circumstance den.

But this one wey you kan de lie say my Prophet killed a Jew and married his wife, abandoned. u had better think o. Not anyone is a fool like you to believe those gullible pastors who usurp their followers wealth to become rich. Dat is the fastest business today o.

Do expect them to say the truth about The PROPHET MUHAMMED. I will educate you now because you are too dull. Or maybe you are senseless to know d difference between Prophet David and MUHAMMED

Did I claim anyone told me or did I tell you that it is recorded in your Quran and Hadith? Please, don't mis-quote me. Read my posts again.

What was Aisha condition when the prophet married her? Please tell me, I am interested in learning.

I don't ask anyone to teach me about prophet Muhammed, my source is the QURAN & HADITH. God has given me the ability to read, research and make up my mind. I don't need an Islamic scholar or a pastor to tell me about the life of prophet Mohammed.

Here is my proof from the Hadith Sahih Bukhari 2:14:68 - THIS IS A HADITH, I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) offered the Fajr prayer when it was still dark, then he rode and said, 'Allah Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. When we approach near to a nation, the most unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned." The people came out into the streets saying, "Muhammad and his army." Allah's Apostle vanquished them by force and their warriors were killed; the children and women were taken as captives. Safiya was taken by Dihya Al-Kalbi and later she belonged to Allah's Apostle go who married her and her Mahr was her manumission.

Let me give you a background of the story:

[b]When the Muslims invaded and conquered Khaybar, the fighting men were killed and Safiyah was taken captive (along with the rest of the women and children) and allotted as booty to Dihya Al-Kalbi, a Muslim. Kinana (Safiyah Husband) was tortured and executed by the Muslims in order to discover the hiding places of treasure and one source relates that he and Safiyah had been married only one day. She was so beautiful, that the Muslims began praising her in the presence of Muhammad, and so the prophet commanded that Dihya be brought before him along with Safiyah. Upon seeing her, Muhammad said, "Take any slave girl other than her from the captives" and he selected her for himself. The Muslims left Khaibar to return to Medina and on the way they stopped at a place called Sidd-as-Sahba; it was at this time Safiyah became clean from her menses The "marriage banquet" consisted of haris (a kind of dish) served on a small leather sheet and a gathering of those who were conveniently nearby. Another narrator describes the banquet in this way: "...there was neither meat nor bread in that banquet, but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put." Muhammad stayed three nights there and consummated his marriage with Safiyah. Despite this banquet, the Muslims were still not sure whether she would be considered a wife or a right hand possession until Muhammad set off and forced her to wear a veil as she rode behind him on his camel. He considered her manumission to be an adequate mahr (dowry).[/b]

Again, whatever I quoted came from your Hadith and I didn't make it up. If I am lying, go and check the Hadith and confirm.

Don't go all over the place. Tell me if my claim is not in your Hadith.

DMainMan: You are crazy. Y lying against the Prophet. All these things you hear are lies. In this life, there are good and bad people regardless of your religion. In my neighbourhood, your men of god just rape a 7 year old girl. Pastor king is a murderer and molester. Most of you are devilish and fornicators.

because everyone has known aw useless Christianity is and are now converting to Atheism and Islam, dat doesn't mean you should be lying to deceive people.

HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED said anyone dat commit suicide will go to hell fire. But some have been misguided. Don't worry believe those thrash by the West. The West even said my prophet Jesus is a gay, u believe it abi

You have brain and the ability to think. If you want to propagate your religion dat doesn't mean you should lie about oda religious faith. Is dat how erratic your religion is or does religion promote lies. I can't just imagine such religion.

Thank you ALLAH dat I am a Muslim. Make me die as a Muslim. That is the greatest achievement in life

No one is forcing you to join any other religion but the description of the muslim heaven is accurate. The Quran and Hadith are available if you want proof. Your prophet married a 6 year old girl (Aisha) and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old, he was over 50. Again, that is not a lie. It's factual and confirmed in your Hadith.

He killed a jewish man and married his wife. Again, it is factual and in your Hadith. So, before you get emotional, do your research. You can stay and die a muslim - it's your choice but history won't change to make you feel good

jackbauersballs: All the crap you posted was pre-christianity...that is just jewish history

Christ-ianity is a religion that is based on the life of Christ

I dare you to bring out preachings of christ advocating violence.

I'm not even a christan

Most people think Judaism and Christianity is the same? Thanks for clarifying. Well said

cronsberg: I challenge any Christian to come and tell me those verses which I posted here are not evil and not terrorism,
“But these enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27)


Hitler quickly picked up this Christian rhetoric.

Hitler addressed the world at the passion plays of Oberammergau in 1942 He said: “his blood be on us and our children....[Matthew 27:25], maybe I’m the one who must execute this curse..... I do no more than join what has been done for more than 1,500 years already. Maybe I render Christianity the best service ever! “ Hitler also said “And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.”

I want you to know God is Alpha and Omega, and God words does not have expiry date, God of yestday is also God of today, God dont change


Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 :
33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. ( So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE)

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7:
2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God

Numbers
Chapter 31
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves ( almost all the Nigerian lady will be kill)

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?

1 Kings 20:35-36
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

What?!

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacare.

eremiah 51:20-26
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.
Another massacre, same old story.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

So you can beat the hell out of your slave as long as the slave does not die, this is straight from the Bible


You happy now? Apparentely christianity teaches voilence . You're welcome
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If it does, then why is Boko Haram muslim and not Christians? Why are the Islamic rebels in Mali muslims and not Christians, why is the Boston bomber muslim and not Christian? Why is Osama (eaten by the fishes) muslim and not Christian, why was the Nigerian bomber that tried to blow up the American plane a muslim and not a Christian? Why is Ansaru muslim and not Christian. SHOULD I CONTINUE?

CFCfan: The FBI got into some controversy last year, when it was discovered that their (FBI) agents usually pose as explosives' salespersons to some Muslim men; who in turn express desire to use the dummy explosives to commit terrorist acts.

If you don't want to blow up people and kill them, why are you buying explosives?

50calibre: You just summed it up. Until the day Nigeria is able to possess details about every individual in the country, there would be limited progress.

You can't effectively police a country or combat crime and terrorism without a database and effective measures to monitor people's activities.

Start with regular power to keep the servers that host the database up. Good roads to move goods and services around, good health care, good water and good education. The rest will fall in place

ShyM-X:
And national database will solve that?

Even a country like the UK with CCTV cameras in every 10m distance - people still commit crimes next door and they never got caught...

National database wouldn't but a trail of whatever you do will definitely help.

CFCfan: I don't think $10bn is needed for such a project. Around $1-2bn should be enough.
The GEJ administration has announced plans to set up a national ID card scheme.

Didn't OBJ do it? What ever happened to that?

TechyGuy: Perfect!!!

As a tech savvy dude, I think about it every time how it's so simple in Nigeria for someone to commit a crime at Ikeja without a mask and he lives in Ojota.
I don't know why we don't have a national database yet. It's not like we require $10B to have one.

Lets start with regular power supply. 2-5 hospitals in every local government, good roads, clean drinking water, law and order. The rest will take care of itself

natasha: I see that the people who blow themselves up in d name of the "fairy godmother" [/s]allah/mohammed [s][s][/s] are at it again. Soon we will have the supporters and sympathisers of d Motherless babies children charity (aka boko haram - remember we were told last wk dt BH isnt a terrorist organisation) come online raging and ranting like rabid infested dogs and justifying the actions of dis troublesome religion dt is known everywhere for violence. Instead of the muslim leaders to come out and denounce violence and killings they will be ranting abt acts of violence committed by other religions against theirs in 150BC forgetting that there were no religions just tribes n ethnicities in that era

We know Islam for what it is - most muslims don't like to hear that but they can't deny the FACT that there is justification for VIOLENCE in their Quran. Their main example - their prophet was also an example on the subject. So, any muslim that preaches Islam is peaceful and there is no violence has double mouth and is not been honest

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

Salaam alexis.

Well, briefly, I found out many things. From the first post, I discovered that some stories in the Old Testament were not befitting of The Exalted, Righteous, and Wise God. They were placed in the Bible to fool the reader into believing that low (gutter) level thinking is good.

The second post 'Being Like The Teacher' basically teaches that Prophet Isa [Jesus, PBUH] wants those that follow Him PBUH, and want to be like Him PBUH, should become Muslims and embrace Islam.

The third post 'Islam In The Bible' shows the beliefs of Christians; Trinity, Jesus as God, and the Only God Allaah (SWT).
The trinity is an impossibility! Allaah (SWT) is not divisible by thirds, and furthermore, of what purpose is three gods?
Jesus PBUH, cannot be God, as God cannot be seen in this world, and Jesus PBUH, was seen by those He PBUH, spoke to. Numbers 23:19 states God Is Not A Man...

And, of course there is NONE like Allaah (SWT).

Isaiah 5. I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6. That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Interesting. I will like to hear more:

1. It's funny that the Trinity is impossible because the Quran mentioned it. Would you be open to us discussing it so you can explain further
2. Can you show me some of the things that were placed in the OT and by whom? Which part of the OT, Torah, the Psalms?
3. Also, I will like to see how Jesus wants us all to be muslims

I will appreciate your feedback

Leemak: 'ISLAM'....Our Pride, Their Fear.

Really, you think we are afraid of Islam? Remember what happened to Osama and his likes? Remember what we did to your Islamic brothers in Mali?

ogene70: Any reasonable muslim will know your comment is based on religious sentiment and not of a clear judgement,was it a sourtherner/ christian who odered the millitary invasion of borno state in 2009? no, it was your brother; late Yardua (may his soul rest in peace). what is your idea of people worshiping in mosques with weapons in their possession? or people bombing churches,car parks and killing innocent people all in the name of Islam? is that what Islam teaches? off course no, so if anyone derails from the teachings of the Holy book , it's your duty as a true muslim(i.e if your are one) to endeavour to admonish them and not to draw shabby conclusions like you did above.
however, you are trying to drag yoruba muslims into your cheap scheme of "brainwash" , sorry, i trust the muslims in the west, they're way gone beyond your poor sense of reasoning.
Finally, from your comment above i can see your are well read, and with that, we can all channel our intelligence into uniting our beloved country Nigeria and not to engage in this scheme of brainwash that is destroying our unity as a people of great nation, Nigeria...yes great Nation i call it, cos this time will pass and we shall all come to glorify God.
Goodday Brother.

Common sense prevails again