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lanrexlan: Brother,you can't judge Islam by his followers,doing so is like judging a book by its cover,you can't judge a car by its careless driver.I think you said it's not good to judge a religion by its followers,but you are now eating your words.You have no knowledge about Islam,you just visit some anti islamic site and come here to post.As I told,guidance comes only from ALLAH.....Peace

I think you are getting me wrong. We have a saying here - "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck this it must be a DUCK". BOko Haram, Ansaru, Al Qaelda, and numerous others are by-products of Islam. Even if we don't use them; the life of prophet Mohammed is another example. I will stop there for now.

talk2me006: LUKE 19:27

New International Version (©2011)
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

One of the copy and paste patrons . And you are pasting this because .....................

aurenflani: U aren't talking to dummies except u think that ur readers are mainly christians who are psychologically prejudiced to swallow the hatred and lies ur spitting. When you quote d Qur'an out of context, remember that Muslims know the revelation better than ur pope and all ur orientalists put together (even ur masters d Jew knows that).

Educate us then. Tell me which part I am quoting out to context from the Quran based on what I have said. So far, you have been successful in saying nothing.

You must be a magician because my masters are Jews and I love the Pope . You don't even know me,, how can you make such deluded statements?

maclatunji: He cannot understand simple English.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and proof read as a "Moderator"

This is what the poster said:

8. What is needed then to prevent radicalism then?

Of course, the root of the problem is political and until the oppression of Muslims stops, until drone attacks stop, until Western led wars in Muslim lands stop, it will be virtually impossible to stop the endless supply of radical material made available to disaffected youth. Of course that seems like a distant dream. Until then, we have to focus on band-aid measures.

In conclusion, the Muslim community has nothing to apologize for.

Read it and read it again. The poster blames radicalization (he chose his words carefully because he didn't mention Islamic radicalization). He is basically saying the attacks in Boston was as a result of radicalization and not teachings from the Quran - it is all political and not religious. All this is happening because America is in Muslim lands and attacking muslims. So, in summary, he is saying radicalization is a result of American foreign policy in the Muslim world and if muslims respond to the injustice; he has nothing to apologize for because it is all AMERICA FAULT.

It always amazes me how "some" muslims try to rationalize and explain away the violence in their religion. The poster fails to recognize that in Islam there is no distinction between POLITICS & RELIGION.

After all that, some other "muslims" will give him a tap on the back. I think his post was honest and insightful. However, we always go back 360 degrees.

FOR THE MUSLIMS THAT CHOOSE TO ENGAGE IN VIOLENCE - THERE IS LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION IN THE QURAN TO DO SO.

lanrexlan: Please brothers,don't mind desika I know their type,they don't even read the quran just visit some anti-islamic sites and post rubbish here,and one problem of desika is that he doesn't like admitting the truth and let me tell you something,no matter your hatred for Islam,ALLAH will perfect his deen because it's a promise.The fatest growing religion in the world is Islam.

That's what you all say when the Quran is put under a micro-scope. I have been called a liar, stupi.d., void of truth because I said the Allah of the Quran and God in the Bible are different.

For you guys to debate and present FACTS & EVIDENCE, you result to personal attacks. Whenever "certain" "touchy" Islmic subject is brought up and you folks can't debate rationally - you start attacking the person.

None of you have provided an AUTHORITATIVE answer to DeSika post. For example: It is in the Quran that:

1. Moses was the first Muslim
2. Muhammed was the first Muslim
3. Adam was the first Muslim

How can one source give 3 DIFFERENT accounts. How can God ALMIGHTY give 3 different accounts on who was the first muslim?

vedaxcool: you are wasting ample time on him, even his own Christian brother calls him a liar! Instead of looking into his conscience he turns around and hurl invectives!

Vexacool is the defender of Islam. Where spirited debate doesn't work for him, he results to personal attacks . I don't engage in personal attacks online - I do that in the Dojo. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on a public forum. I am not into the personal attack thing - don't have time for it. However, I will POINT OUT FACTS backed with EVIDENCE. If anyone doesn't agree with it - they should counter it. Something vexacool hasn't been able to do. I think I pulled a plug from his circuit because he doesn't seem to be functioning normally.

lanrexlan: May Almighty ALLAH gives you guidance,we muslims can only show you the truth we can't guide you to the straight path,only ALLAH does.....Peace

Thanks for your concern mate - I don't need Allah to show me the straight path. I have seen the paths He is showing Boko Haram and Ansaru.

LagosShia: Yes america is in syria.your lack of knowledge and failure to see the wahhabi/salafist saudi alliance with israel and america,along turkey and qatar,with what's happening in syria,means you know nothing.at least half of those fighting in syria are foreign militants sent into syria through turkey and jordan.they are mostly alqaeda wahhabi/salafist militants.they have been brainwashed into believing that syria must be freed from "Shia and Iranian influence".again sectarianism at work to further america and israel's interests in the middle east.without foreign backing those fighting in syria would not last a month against government forces.all the talk from america and the saudi and qatari dictatorships about "liberating" the syrian people translates into sending in weapons and fighters to destroy syria.it is in the interest of israel and the west that syria falls.then hezbollah (the shia resistance movement in lebanon) would be neutralized without the support of assad in syria,and israel would feel safe in its norther border with lebanon.iran too would be isolated,as its main ally in syria would have been taken down.

These are complicated politics issues built on very lethal intelligence that a bigot or an islamophobe can hardly understand.no capacity!

Sorry, you must be working for the Islamic Secret Intelligence Service of All Concern Muslims . I am sure there are Americans in Iran as well. Please show us evidence of American troops in Syria.

While you are at it - show us Americans in Northern Nigeria as well because you kept silent on that.

LagosShia: You are proving to be another waste of time,who knows nothing and bases his ideas on popular perceptions or stereotypes.

The violence wahhabism/salafism espouses have nothing to do with the Holy Quran or Islamic teachings.it is based on the ideology and teachings of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahab.

So no,the americans did not write the Quran,and just like Wahhabis/Salafists they have nothing to do with Islam.

What you need to remind yourself,assuming you had knowledge of it,is that it was the US that engineered alqaeda and created the terrorist bin laden.

Hilary Clinton Confesses :"We Funded The Wahhabis We Are Fighting Today
https://www.nairaland.com/863512/hilary-clinton-confesses-funded-wahhabis

You should also read on "Lawrence of Arabia" and how the british were a driving force behind the rise of wahhabis/salafists and promoted wahhabism/salafism.

Today the US is repeating their past mistake,and supporting an alqaeda affiliated group in syria (similar to boko haram) known as Jubhat al-Nusra to topple the syrian government.

You can try and politicize the violence in Islam as been sectarian, you can really really really try - but it will get you no where. What has the Wahhabis/Salafists got to do with Sunnis and Shittes killing themselves in Iraq?

You can hold on to your beliefs and opinions. It can't change the fact that there is legitimate grounds for violence in the Quran

lanrexlan: Brother,i promised I won't argue with you on the issue of serving the same God,all the points you raised are very easy for me to refute very easy,but it seems you love arguements and you don't like admitting the truth...Peace

Thanks mate. Again, anyone can believe in a stone, don't throw it at me. Have a good one and God Bless.

tbaba1234: It isn't arrogance... your posts give you away.

Look at a man who is has no remorse for innocent people that lost their lives in Boston but comes out saying until America stop killing Muslims or leaves Muslim lands Islamic radicalization will continue. Is America in Northern Nigeria? Is America in Syria. Yet you tell me my posts give me away? Cha!

i am surprised at the hypocrisy of some people who would condemn killings of muslims in afghanistan and burma,but would forget and turn a blind eye to what their co-sectarianists are doing to shia muslims in pakistan,and to an extent in iraq also.

Genocide of Shia Muslims in Pakistan
https://www.nairaland.com/1120418/genocide-shia-muslims-pakistan

A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia

Very objective statement. Shows the deep religious divide in Islam

I am also shocked at the hypocrisy of non-muslims who go about blaming Islam itself for the acts of criminality by terrorists,while more muslims have been killed,and pakistan is a clear example.

Isn't the Taliban killing their fellow muslims than anyone else there?

It is not Shia and Sunnis slaughtering "themselves" in Iraq or Muslims slaughtering themselves in Syria.it is extremists Sunnis aka wahhabis/salafists slaughtering Shia in iraq,pakistan and elsewhere.and these salafists/wahhabis have also slaughtered god-fearing Sunnis who have opposed their line of thinking.

Good point and thanks for bringing it out

Until wahhabism/salafism is eradicated,terrorism will thrive.and to eradicate this disease,you must identify the source.the source is the saudi regime.rich saudis are using their wealth to spread wahhabism/salafism among unsuspecting and susceptible sunnis,mainly to stand against the shia and iran.in pakistan it is saudi petro dollars fueling the killing of shia muslims,and helping terrorist groups thrive.the saudis see the spread of shia islam as the expansion of iranian influence.

Another objective point of view

And ofcourse where is the united states to condemn saudi arabia,its wahhabi ally? The americans are complicit in the spread of terrorism,as they know the source but they don't condemn it for so long as the oil is flowing.in syria,the west is supporting alqaeda to topple the pro-iranian regime of assad.americans are after their interests,and wahhabism is playing well for american interests.america ends up holding all of islam responsible and tarnishing the image of muslims,and destroying the moral grounds for muslim causes like in palestine against israel.all muslims become seen as "terrorists" and have nothing to fight for even though justified.the wahhabi/salafist terrorists killing innocent worshippers in churches and mosques,become the image of muslim fighter who is defending his land against a bully and terrorist state like israel.and ofcourse the wahhabis/salafists keep deepening the sunni-shia divide as more blood is spilled,and muslims are worked up killing themselves instead of furthering Islam collectively.why would western media condemn the shia genocide in pakistan? No need,no gain! and again,the country america and israel love to hate (iran,a shia majority) is isolated even in the muslim world.so why do you think the americans and israelis would have any problem with saudis,wahhabis/salafists and terrorism,even if it is our own salafist/wahhabi boko haram? Its a win-win situation for the west.and no non-muslim should deceive himself that america cares about christianity or the lives of innocent muslims and non-muslims killed by the ungodly wahhabi/salafist terrorists.people should starting talking humanity before sentiments

Hmmm, it must be the Americans that wrote the Quran then

tbaba1234: I certainly know more than you because i have actually studied the text from the sources and understand more of the context of revelation. You read a translation and a few anti Islam sites then you think you have a clue.

Evidence of arrogance - you think you know another person because I respond to you on a public forum.

maclatunji: And who are you that I would want to please with data? You already proved your ignorance by not checking before commenting.

Empty talk ................ Like always

Not one of the brighter ones, i see. I say define terrorism. You say: Using violence for religious and/or political political aims. According to your definition (even though i think it is incorrect):

violence: check

Political aim: check

sounds like terrorism to me.

RELIGIOUS == CHECK

You forgot religious violence is a form of terrorism too. It's too early to have amnesia or you must have deliberately left that out

The invasion of Iraq.

Terrorism - No basis of 2003 invasion in Iraq

Which of the women and children in pakistan and yemen were involved in 9/11?? Were there any yemenis or pakitanis in the group??

Which of the 3000 innocent women, men, fathers, mothers were combatants. Didn't Allah tell His warriors not to kill innocent people?

Before 9/11, 500,000 thousand iraqi children died from US sanctions, are they combatants as well??

World politics. You rather see this than overlook Sadaam invading Kuwait and killing thousands of muslims and Kuwaitis

So killing more women and children is the perfect response, and you expect that there will not be more muslims angry enough to want to retaliate??

The killing of innocent women and children irrespective of their nationalities or religion is terrible and wrong. I condemn it in the strongest terms. Use the same passion to tell your muslim brothers to stop killing people of other faiths in Northern Nigeria.

You are one of the bigots, i see.

You can label me how you want mate.

maclatunji: Amongst blue-eyed blonds and redheads. You think your excited antagonism counts for anything? Nope, it doesn't.

Talk yet no trace or evidence or proof to backup anything. Talk talk talk

tbaba1234: Like i said, you know nothing... What is there to compare?

If anything, i should sit you in a class and give you a lesson,

Cheap way of avoiding scholarship. You must be an authority over the author of the Quran then if I need to learn from you. So, you know more than Allah right (the author of the Quran). Ha!

tbaba1234: You know nothing about the Quran and the sunnah.

Then let us compare what we both know from the very same Quran and Hadith. I have a Yusuf Ali's translation - I am sure that is an authentic version

lanrexlan: Hmmm,you said we don't serve the same God,brother I won't argue about that cos ALLAh has said in the surah I quoted that if you turn away,we should just tell you we are at least muslims...Peace,may we both guided and ALLAH surely judge our disputes on the day of judgement...Salam

Lanre,

We have been over this again and again and again.

1. If we serve the same God - why does Allah curse Jews and Christians (How would God Almighty curse people He created)
2. The God in the Bible created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th
3. Allah said in one surah the world was created in 2, in another one he said 4 and in another one, he said 6. How can we serve the same God with two different accounts on how long it took for creation?
4. If we worship the same God why do muslims deny the deity of Jesus Christ and Christians accept it?
5. If we serve the same God, why don't all Christians go to Mecca every year
6. If we serve the same God, why didn't Jesus teach Christians to Marry 4 wives but Mohammed permitted it

I can go on and on and on

^What is terrorism?

When Ijaws and itsekiris kill themselves, does it qualify as terrorism??

It's certainly not a religious teaching. However, it is violence and can be can be labelled as terrorism

Does a western power invading an independent country classify as terrorism??

Provide more information and you will get an answer to this question

Does sending drones to villages in pakistan and yemen killing thousands of women and children qualify as terrorism??

Spill over of Allah servants bombing the world trade center, the pentagon, killing over 3000 non-combatants and innocent people. Did you think there will be no repercussion? Allah servants should think about next time

Does every internal country conflict, qualify as terrorism?? I don't get your reference to the syrian or malian conflict.. I can give you many instances of rebel breakaway in many parts of the world.

Not at all? Civil and political conflicts are different from religious violence. The wars in Liberia was political and not religious. The war between Britain and Argentina was political and not religious. The war between Iraq and Iran was religious and not political. So clearly, the motivation for war determines how you label it.

Properly define terrorism first... Then we can have a discussion...

Using violence for religious and/or political political aims

A good percentage of the muslims in America are converts but that is not the topic.

Yeah Barak Obama must be one of them Ha!

Walexz02: MashaAllah, islam is great! I likewise advice the attackers of Islam&muslims to stop judging islam by the actions of few muslims... Get knowledge of islam by research and you will be glad you did.
Jumaat kareem to ya'll!

We judge Islam from the teachings in the Quran and the life of Mohammed. Would you like us to research them together?

lanrexlan: That's what I am saying brother,let's come to the similarities between both religions because ALLAH said in the glorious quran surah Al-imran 3;64-'say o people of the scriptures(Jews and christians)let's come to a word that is between us and you that we worship none but one true GOD and we associate no partners with him,and we erect not aming ourselves lords besides ALLLAH,if they turn away say bear witness that we are muslims(bowing our will to ALLAH).So brother,let at least come to the similarities between christianity and islam debating about differences won't create nothing but unending arguments.Let's just understand the concept of God in both religions....Peace

Listen mate - listen very well. I HAVE NO PROBLEM OR ISSUES WITH MUSLIMS. Some of my best friends are muslims. My stand is this - you can believe in a STONE, don't through it at me. You can live and die as a muslim, just don't force me to be one when I go to Northern Nigeria. The core foundation of Islam and Christianity is radically different. We both don't serve the same God - that you should know.

If you say, we should all just get along and live in peace - I agree with you. I don't have anything against that

maclatunji: That is it. If you want to fight terrorism, fight terrorism. If you want to fight Islam, be bold enough to state clearly what your intentions are. However, don't hide under the banner of terrorism to fight Islam. That would make you deceitful, with little sense of morality and class.

Funny thing is that with all of these clandestine moves, Islam is still growing in America. You can't keep a good thing down.

Too bad terrorism is done in the name of Islam. I wonder whose fault that is. The Islamist in Mali that invaded an independent country and impose sharia law by force on people - what was that - UnIslamic Terrorism?

The Sunnis and Shittes killing themselves in Iraq - what do you call that - UnIslamic Terrorism?

Look at now muslims are slaughtering themselves in Syria - what do you call that? UnIslamic Terrorism.

The line between religious justification of violence in the name of God and political violence is TOO close in Islam. So, there is nothing like Terrorism in Islam mate - we don't have to argue that.

You don't say - Islam is growing in America Huh. You mean in the prisons or the Arab immigrants that are free to practice their religion in the US?

lanrexlan: Brother,Islam is derived from the root arabic word 'salam' which means peace,and also the arabic 'salem' which means to submit one's will to ALLAH.In conclusion Islam means peace acquired bu submitting one's will to ALLAH.If you want to learn about islam.go study islam,don't study muslims because muslims aren't perfect but islam is.Read the quran and may ALLAH gives you guidance.Don't follow what the media is propagating about islam,study islam yourself brother.....Peace.

I think you are honest and I will applaud you for that. We judge a religion based on it's teachings and the prophet of that religion. I expect you to judge Christianity from the life and teachings of Jesus the same way I expect you to judge Buddhism from the life and teachings of Buddah. We judge Islam from the life and teachings of Mohammed and his actions.

My judgement of Islam is not based on what the media says but on the actions of Mohammed and the teachings in the Quran.

maclatunji: It is because of Islam's 'lack of peace' that your brothers are rushing to Dubai, Qatar, Malaysia and so on. #LOL

Perhaps that's why your brothers are BOMBING Boston, trying to kill people in Canada and having a field trip in Northern Nigeria.

lanrexlan: Brother,how can you say there's nothing miraculous about a she camel being pregnant coming out of a rock? Try to reason before posting,do you know what miracles means? Something that is above nature and attributed to supernatural cause.Is that natural? We know camel are being given birth to but this she camel which ALLAH used as a sign to the people of thamud was a miracle,a she camel being pregnant from a rock! Don't you reason at all? One thing I hate when having a dialogue with christians is that they will see the truth but will deny it,trying to bend the truth.Just read the quran with a concordant approach,not that conflict way of yours...Peace.

I explained the verse to you but you have decided to overlook it. I can't force it on you. If you think it's a miracle then no problem - the Quran is clear on it but you have decided to put meaning into the Quran. Prophets raise the dead, heal the sick, provide food for thousands but you CLAIM a she-camel came from Rock. I wonder what the significance is if any

Can you tell us if the guys that caused the Boston bombings were Jews, Hindus or Christians?

Can you tell us if the guys that caused the Boston bombings were Jews, Hindus or Christians?

lanrexlan: It's mentioned in the glorious quran surah Al-araf 7;73,also surah Al isra 17;59,surah As-shuara 26;155-158 those are verses that said ALLAH gave clear sign to the people of thamud by letting prophet shuaib call out a she camel from a rock.

7:73 And to Thamud their brother Salih. He said: "O my people! worship Allah, you have no deity other than Him. Clear proof has already come to you from your Rabb. This is Allah's she-camel - for you a Sign; so leave her alone to pasture in the earth of Allah, and do not harm her with any harm, lest a painful punishment overtake you

There is nothing miraculous or divine about the she-camel, although she is mentioned as naqat Allâh (lit. Allâh's she-camel, 91:13). Prophet Sâlih placed particular stress on humane treatment towards the ownerless she-camel as an eye opener for a community that was cruel towards all those who were weak, even if it were an animal. The ownerless she-camel was made a sign for the Thamûd in the sense that the people were instructed to leave her alone to pasture in the earth of Allâh, and not to harm her in any way (11:64; 91:13). Thus, it was a test for the Thamûd whether they would act arrogantly or obey the divine command to restrain their cruelty.

You should pay more attention to your Quran

gronzywares: You two should give it a rest, alexis you disgrace yourself when you stare at the obvious truth, leave these muslims to keep denying the greatness of Jesus, our Savior, but for us to see the truth and deny it, . . ., only makes us on the same par with them! Did the koran become the truth rather than the bible? Please, stop disgracing us, Moses performed a great miracle, . . ., vexacool met your challenge, simple! stop fooling around, we don't follow their ways, we are followers of Christ our savior, our actions puts makes us better than anything they can ever claim to be! The bible remains the only true source of guidance!

Did you bother to read what we were talking about? This is a post about scholarship, research and debate primarily from the claims of the Quran. Read the entire post before been short-sighted and having a quick tongue. Where in my post did you read I denied the deity of Jesus. My argument was to prove that the Quran gave Jesus creation powers and as a result, He can't be mortal as muslims claim He is. All my claims and research was from the Quran alone and not the Bible in this exercise.

Then you come here and start spewing bad breath and ignorance without confirming what we are talking about.

lanrexlan: @alexis,who told you that only jewish prophets performed miracles? Let me give a brief of miracles by other prophet who aren't jews.Prophet shuaib(pbuh) performed a miracle through ALLAH's command,when his people asked him to show a sign from ALLAH,a she-camel that was pregnant came out from a rock!wasn't that a great miracle? Prophet yunus(pbuh) was swallowed by a fish,he stayed inside the belly of the fish for three days and three nights and he lived,wasn't that a mighty one? When you expect to be dead and he's alive that's a miracle.To the last,the last and final prophet of ALLAH,muhammed(pbuh) performed miracles,when the pagans of makkah asked him to show them a sign,he splitted the moon into through ALLAH's leave,wasn't that a miracle? Are they jews? Finally,the last and final revelation of ALLAH-the glorious Quran is a miracle itslef,a miracle of all time.To your 2nd point that because Jesus(pbuh) name was mentioned 25 times in the Quran and Muhammad was mentioned only 5times claims that ALLAH loves jesus(pbuh) more than MUHAMMAD(pbuh).Let me tell you something brother,mentioning a prophet more than others don't denote superiorty,take for example moses(pbuh) was mentioned more than 25 times in the quran,the same applies to pharaoh,now tell me ALLAH loves pharaoh,more than jesus(pbuh) because pharaoh has a higher number by which his name was mentioned.Just get the point,in islam we made no differentiation among the prophets of ALLAh,they were all sent to guide mankind to the straight path.

Please show us from the Quran about this prophet that brought out a she-camal from a rock. Please use the Quran

vedaxcool: As long as the above remains unaswered . . .
Game Over! You Loose!!!

So you are now leaving it in RED

The CHALLENGE remains unanswered. The POWER OF CREATION WAS GIVEN TO JESUS ONLY AND NO OTHER PROPHET.

[size=18pt]MANIFESTATION != CREATION[/size]

Try harder mate.