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[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=695196.msg8558223#msg8558223 date=1308618270]You finished me? I dey laugh![/quote]

Bliss4Lyfe:
Are we having another emeagwali moment here Alj-Harem. We are still super-imposing onto something completely distinct. No let the Ewe here am for your mouth oooo!

do u know that nago anago and yoruba means the same thing

Bliss4Lyfe:
Are we having another emeagwali moment here Alj-Harem. We are still super-imposing onto something completely distinct. No let the Ewe here am for your mouth oooo!

go to this thread if u have time, this was when i finished ezeuche about yoruba ghana benin togo

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-595370.224.html

Bliss4Lyfe:
Are we having another emeagwali moment here Alj-Harem. We are still super-imposing onto something completely distinct. No let the Ewe here am for your mouth oooo!

so u know about me and emeaguali

remember, i did not tell emeaguali what to say he said he is yoruba but acknowdeds his igbo hertage

na God save u say my internet is bad tonight if not i for finish u here

but i would come tomorro on this thread to finish u

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=695196.msg8558181#msg8558181 date=1308616935]The Ewes are not Yorubas. I have been around many Ewe, and their language is not similar to Yoruba. They may be related to Yorubas, but so are the Edo, Igala, IGBO, Idoma and other groups.

Just because we are related, does not mean we are the same. That is like saying Igala people are Yoruba or Idoma are Igbo.[/quote]an ewe man speaks

As we surged through the undulating ocean with a ram shackled boat, the rain began to drizzle. On both sides of the almost endless sea, one could hardly view the sprawling Lagos skyscrapers. We had been on the high sea for thirty minutes, and deep in the heart of the reporter, not being a swimmer was that the forthcoming rain should not bring a whirlwind, which in turn would stir turbulent waves. The sea was quite but my guide, as if reading my mind said with a wry smile: "beneath calmness of the sea lies a million turbulence. Today’s rain is small, there’s no need for fear." We reached Kate in the Eti-Osa area by mid-day. A small community of fishermen, the village folks had mostly gone for fishing. Little Ewe children were seen playing on the sandy soil. Some uttered their mother tongue, the Ewe while some spoke in Yoruba. At the base of the Atlantic ocean which borders the community, Mathew Egbenu sat on a bamboo-carved sit stretching his legs into the touchline of the ocean, He held on to a copy of an old newspaper with the headline "Fashola , Fayemi in early lead". The report was on a Sunday morning, a day after the April 14, gubernatorial elections. "Elections or no elections, the Ewe people of Lagos have never seen much difference for several centuries," he said. "Will the April elections ever make a difference for the marginalised Ewe people of Lagos ?" he asked the reporter expecting a reply.

His message was, however clear. [b]The old man is one of the fighting spirits for the recognition of the small sub-ethnic group in Lagos called the Ewe or Eve, the "w" having been removed and substituted by "V" during the short-lived German occupation of the Ewe territories. No doubt, many Nigerians and even Lagosians, where most of the people are indigenous would vow never to have heard the name of such a tribe in Lagos before. The Nation visited several Ewe communities last weekend where the stories are the same.

Egbenu capture the feeling of his people: "We are one of the major groups in Lagos . Our population is over a million, yet we are generally categorized as foreigners". For most Ewes, alienation and deprivation have been their lot for centuries. For instance, they claim that out of the over 200 councilors in Lagos non of them is Ewe. Out of the 40 lawmakers, non is Ewe. Of the 53 local council chairmen and administrators, they have non.

The Ewes are not only protesting threats of extinction, they claim their right of existence as natives, their freedom and opportunities for jobs as equal stakeholders, their language, spirituality and history are endangered due to the no-challant attitude to them by the Federal and Lagos state governments.

According to Aiyedun Olakanmi, President of the Association of Ewe Indigenes in Lagos told The Nation, "It is clear and glaring that both the Federal and Lagos state governments have totally failed to give attention to us. In terms of provision of social amenities and infrastructural facilities as well as economic empowerment avenues, the Ewe territories suffer gross neglect. "In a situation where the government attempts to make such provision, they are usually sited or concentrated in the few non Ewe settlements found within the region hence making it difficult for the Ewe to have access to such facilities," he noted.

Aiyedun said that Ewes are often discriminated against and that even their children are looked upon with scorn by fellow Yorubas. Discrimination against the Ewes usually come, according to him in the form of denial of employment and enlistment into public institutions like schools and the civil service. He said majority of the Ewes do not benefit from the bursary awards traditionally granted by the state and federal authorities.

For instance, he claimed that during the recent national identity card issuance exercise, the Ewes were denied participation. According to sources, in some local councils where the Ewe are large in number, it is alleged that the identity cards were hoarded from them.

The Ewe have made attempts in recent past to fight their case. For instance, on April 25, 2006, the solicitor to the Ewe, Gerald Okorie wrote a letter to the Nigerian Federal Ministry of Internal affairs in Abuja , the country’s capital. The protest was specifically on the disenfranchisement of the Ewe speaking people in the national identity card registration exercise. The Ewes stated in the petition: "our forefathers originated from Ile-ife as many historical authorities have said and they are spread indigenously along the West African Coast especially from Nigeria to Ghana ."

Their travails may not be unconnected with their identities which have been a subject to dispute among the rulling elite in Lagos . "We regard them as aliens. They are from Ghana . They are immigrants from the Ewe speaking people of Ghana ,’ former member of the Lagos State House of Assembly who preferred not to be named told The Nation.

This position, the Ewe continues to contest. Historical documents made available to our correspondent indicated that the Ewe were originally part of the Ga people mostly found in today’s Ghana, but whose original ancestry is Ile-Ife, widely respected as the cradle of the Yoruba people of the SouthWest, The Ewe trace their origin to the ancient Oduduwa Kingdom from where they were said to have migrated in the 1257AD. Olakanmi claimed that "Our ancestors moved first to Republic of Benin , latter Togo and finally settled in Ghana. But we are part of the Yoruba ancestry."

He said that today, the Ewe people could be found in the Republic of Benin , Ghana , Togo and in the Egbado area of Ogun state and in the creeks of Lagos backstreets. The people also form the rural backbench if the spiraling business districts of lurch Victoria Island , Ikoyi and the same boarder area. But for ages, stories of their marginalization, denial of employment and even citizenry are legend.

Fortunately, there have been historical claims by academics to support the Ewe historical assertions. For instance, Professor Akinjogbon of the Obafemi Awolowo University was quoted by the Ewe leadership in their presentation to Chief Anthony Enahoro during the Pro-National Conference Organisation meetings stating that oral traditions of the Yoruba, the Ajah and the Ewe people witnessed to the fact that long before Benin republic had a political identity, "there had been strong cultural contacts of the Ewe under the leadership of Ile-ife." The Ewe presentation states: "this cultural contact was so strong that by the 19th century, the Yoruba language was the lingua franca of both the Ajah and the Ewe." The Ewes also cite a book co-authored by Godfrey Brown a professor of Education at the University of Ibadan and Joseph Anene, of same university which stated that "the Ga Adangb and Ewe people moved to Eastern part of Gold Coast (Ghana) from Dahomey (Benin Republic) and Yoruba land of Nigeria."


Another Ewe leader Gbonugan Sehubo Ajose Harrison says that these claims are assertions of proof and confirmation of the fact that the Ewe’s claim of Ile-ife origin is no longer an issue of private knowledge but a fundamental truth of history. However, an official of the Lagos State Ministry of Local Government who preferred not to be named told the Nation that the authorities were aware of the complaints of "marginalization of not only some people but of some other interests and groups in Lagos ." He said "The Fashola administration has a listening ear like his predecessor. He will always resolve complaints of marginalization brought to him in a fair and dispassionate manner. They should give us a chance."
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http://www.thenationonlineng.com/dynamicpage.asp?id=23833

Bliss4Lyfe:
Alj Harem u and Jason keep regurgitating historical narrative documented by yoruba scholars. of course the glorious aspects will only be told. i will give u evidence soon enough.

give me some time i will soon give u a load down

my internet is just crap for now

Bliss4Lyfe:
Alj Harem u and Jason keep regurgitating historical narrative documented by yoruba scholars. of course the glorious aspects will only be told. i will give u evidence soon enough.

please do, we have done tis topic over and over again

i brought out links from togolese website

Bliss4Lyfe:
Alj harem ,

I said the yoruba's intruded into their land and retreated in the face of defeat from the Dahomey_Amazons. Jason ., the oyo empire did not extend beyond benin into fon territory or Ghana. Both empire were stiff rivals.

this is from a togolese website and togo official languages are french yoruba fon ewe and fula

The first known state in the territory of today's Togo was the city-state of Ubini, founded by the Bini people (nowadays called Benin City in Eastern Gold Coast) in 1180 CE; the name "Benin" is a corruption of Ubini by the Portuguese. The first rulers of the Ubini were the Ogiso Dynasty; 36 Ogiso are known by name as rulers of the empire. Later, the ruler of the Empire was known as Oba ("king" in Yoruba). Oba Ewuare, also known as Ewuare the Great, became Oba in 1440 and proceeded to transform the city-state into a heavily-defended fortress, from which he built an empire; in 1470, the new empire was given the name Edo. By the 15th Century, Ubini had become the greatest city of the empire. Legends of the riches of the Edo Empire brought Portuguese explorer-traders to the city in 1485. At its largest extent, the Empire reached the Igbo kingdom of Onitsha in the eastern part of Eastern Gold Coast and through its southwestern part, all of modern-day Togo and into modern Western Gold Coast. The Ga peoples of Western Gold Coast and Gadangmeland can trace their ancestry back to the Edo Empire.
The Edo Empire and Colonisation
The Portuguese established a vigorous trade relation with Edo, trading various local products and slaves in exchange for European wares and firearms. Later, English and Austro-Dalmatian merchants followed. The first permanent Austro-Dalmatian settlement in the area was established in 1641 on the coast east of today's Lome. This settlement eventually grew up to be today's city of Kpeme.
The supreme leader of the Empire was the Oba. Below him were the Ezomo and Iyase, who were generals in charge of permanent formations of soldiers; the armies of Edo were described by Europeans as being the most organised and disciplined of any nation in Guinea. Following the introduction of firearms, local blacksmiths learned to manufacture guns, and by the late 1700s, Edo's smiths were producing a quarter of the Empire's firearms.
Around 1625 a dispute emerged between three brothers as to who should become Oba resulted in one, Kokpon, retaining Ubini, which was also known as Great Ardra. The second brother, Do-Aklin then established the town of Abomey, while the third, Te-Agdanlin, established the town of Ajatche or Little Ardra. To this day, there is a suburb of Puartu Nou called Ardra Vogla. By the mid-1600s, Do-Aklin had become supreme, and the capital of Edo was moved to Abomey. The Aja people who formed the elite mixed with the area's locals, gradually becoming the Fon (Dahomey) people. By the late 1600s, the Dahomey were raiding their neighbours for slaves, selling them through coastal middlemen to European traders. By 1700 around 20,000 slaves were being transported annually, especially from Great Ardra and Uida, earning the region the name "Slave Coast".


Flag of the Imperial & Royal Crown Colony of Togoland (1884-1919)
In 1708, Agaja became king of the Edo Empire, and he began the practice of using women as soldiers. With these female soldiers he conquered most of the southern region of modern Togo, with the exception of the Portuguese settlement of Puartu Nou. Agaja died in 1732, and in 1738, the Yoruba kingdom of Oyo conquered Abomey and forced the Dahomey people to pay tribute to the Oyo until 1818. The Edo Empire, by now also known as the Kingdom of Benin, grew to be the premier power in the region, and in 1863, Puartu Nou accepted an Austro-Dalmatian protectorate, hoping to offset the regional power of the Dahomey.

http://ib.frath.net/w/Togo

Bliss4Lyfe:
Alj harem ,

I said the yoruba's intruded into their land and retreated in the face of defeat from the Dahomey_Amazons. Jason ., the oyo empire did not extend beyond benin into fon territory or Ghana. Both empire were stiff rivals.

wrong again

Origins

Yoruba is the language spoken by a set of people in Western Africa. Its native name is ‘Ede Yoruba’, that is the Yoruba language. The language has its origins in the Yoruba people, who are believed to be descendants of Oduduwa, the son of a powerful god called Oludumare. They refer to themselves as ‘Omo Oduduwa’, which means Oduduwa’s children. The Yoruba people originated from the Western Nigeria. Places where the language is spoken are termed ‘Ile Yoruba’, the Yoruba land. The Yoruba lands span across the western region of Nigeria, from far south-western state of Lagos state to the mid-western Kwara state cutting across other states including Ekiti, Ogun, Oyo, Osun and Ondo. Yoruba land extend beyond the boundaries of Nigeria into nearby countries like the republic of Benin, Togo, and mid-eastern Ghana.

The language is the pride of the Yoruba people with over 22 million speakers. The language has also been noted to be spoken within other languages in neighboring countries such as Benin and Togo. Traces have also been found in Sierra Leone where it’s called ‘Oku’ and in Cuba where it’s called ‘Nago’. It is argued that traces of the language can also be found in communities as far away as Brazil.

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/language/about/yoruba.html

its like this boko haram are going all wild

^^^^^^^^

calabar was also the capital before lagos

and after lagos we have abuja

so lagos has had a predecessor and a successor

so ur point number 3 makes no sense at all, the invest the fg put in lagos is like 1% of that put in abuja alone

Bliss4Lyfe:
Jason, this is a short link but u will have to read and trace the history and kingdom to the ancient oyo empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons

u got me scared there i mean any empire defeaed by women

well u got it wrong

Dahomey was a country in west Africa in what is now the Republic of Benin. The Kingdom of Dahomey was a powerful west African state that was founded in the seventeenth century and survived until 1894. From 1894 until 1960 Dahomey was a part of French West Africa. The independent Republic of Dahomey existed from 1960 to 1975. In 1975, the country was re-named "The People's Republic of Benin" after the Bight of Benin (not the unrelated historical Kingdom of Benin) since "Benin," unlike "Dahomey," was deemed politically neutral for all ethnic groups in the state.[2]
Contents
Economy and politics

Dahomey's origins trace back to a group of Aja from the coastal kingdom of Allada who moved north and settled among the Fon people of the interior. By about 1650, the Aja managed to dominate the Fon, and Wegbaja declared himself king of their joint territory.
Based in his capital of Agbome, Wegbaja and his successors established a highly centralized state with a deep-rooted kingship cult of sacrificial offerings. These included an emphasis on human sacrifices in large numbers, to the ancestors of the monarch. Human sacrifices were not only made in time of war, pestilence, calamity, and on the death of kings and chiefs, they were also made regularly in the Annual Customs, believed to supply deceased kings with a fresh group of servants.
[b]Four thousand Whydahs, for example, were sacrificed when Dahomey conquered the Kingdom of Whydah in 1727. Five hundred were sacrificed for Adanzu II in 1791. Sacrifices for Gezo went on for days. Human sacrifice was usually by beheading, except in the case of the king's wives, who were buried alive. The king directly owned all land and collected taxes from all crops.
Economically, however, Wegbaja and his successors profited mainly from the slave trade and relations with slavers along the coast. As Dahomey's kings embarked on wars to expand their territory, they began using muskets and other firearms traded with French and Spanish slave traders for young men captured in battle, who fetched a very high price from the European slave merchants.
Under King Agadja (ruled 1708-1732), the kingdom conquered Allada, where the ruling family originated. They thus gained direct contact with European slave traders on the coast. Nevertheless, Agadja was unable to defeat the neighbouring kingdom of Oyo, Dahomey's chief rival in the slave trade. By 1730, he became a tributary of Oyo. This required that Dahomey pay heavy taxes, but it otherwise remained mostly independent.
Even as a tributary state, Dahomey continued to expand and flourish because of the slave trade, and later through the export of palm oil from large plantations that emerged. The king's ownership of all land gave him a virtual monopoly on all trade.
As one of West Africa's principal slave states, Dahomey became extremely unpopular with neighboring peoples. The kings of Dahomey sold their war captives into the Transatlantic slave trade, rather than kill them in the Annual Customs[/b].
Historian Walter Rodney estimates that by c.1770, the King of Dahomey earned around £250,000 per year by selling captive Africans to the European slave traders. He spent most of the money on British-made firearms (of poor quality) and industrial-grade alcohol.
[edit]Female soldiers

Main article: Dahomey Amazons
The Dahomean state became widely known for its corps of female soldiers. They were organized around the year 1729 to fill out the army and make it look larger in battle, armed only with banners.


[b]Dahomey female soldiers
The women reportedly behaved so courageously they became a permanent corps. In the beginning the soldiers were criminals pressed into service rather than being executed. Eventually, however, the corps became respected enough that King Ghezo ordered every family to send him their daughters, with the most fit being chosen as soldiers. Richard Francis Burton commented on the "masculine physique of the women, enabling them to compete with men in enduring toil, hardship and privations," and Alfred Ellis concurred that the female soldiers, "endured all the toil and performed all the hard labour."[3]
The women seem to have in fact considered themselves transformed into men, socially if not physically. At a parade in 1850, in which over 2,000 female soldiers participated, one of them began a speech by saying, "As the blacksmith takes an iron bar and by fire changes its fashion, so we have changed our nature. We are no longer women, we are men."[4] About two-thirds of the soldiers were unmarried, and Burton noted a ", corps of prostitutes kept for the use of the Amazon-soldieresses."[5]
A similar gender switch occurred among some men close to the royal court. Referred to as lagredis, the boys were chosen from among high ranking families and either castrated or given "potions" to feminize them. Richard Burton referred to them as "special slaves of the king, [who] bear the dignified title of royal wives."[6] These lagredis were as entirely dependent on the king as other wives, but seem to have had more freedom of movement. Two of them reportedly accompanied any emissary sent by the king, to serve as royal eyes and ears.[7]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=695196.msg8557957#msg8557957 date=1308612218]Fon Amazonian [b]women [/b]defeated the "powerful" Oyo Empire? [/quote]uche not true until proven i hope she is wrong

Bliss4Lyfe:
Jason, I know the story you are trying to tell but it's not quite the way u tell it. The gist is the yoruba's(men) intruded into the lands of the fon and were mistaken for hostile intruders and attacked by fon women and defeated from which the mythology of Amazonian women imaged.

if this is true   i guess  

Eziachi:
Ijaw is definetly not joining us Igbos or Biafra. Let them join someone else or form their own nation. Most European nation are three times smaller than Ijaw. But Annang, Ibibio and Efik are definitely welcomed if its want they want and terms aggreable to all with an open eyes and mind.
Ijaw with Igbo? forget it.

i disagree with u

the population of ijaw is over inflated and there land does not support such

balysea, parts of delta/ondo(apio ijaw who are even yoruba speaking people) and parts or rivers thats all

so how can that house 14 million ijaws as they claim, c'mon

ijaws can not be more than 700, 000 at most if u look at the population density of those areas they occupy

i forgot delta will also be spite into 2

west for yoruba and east for igbos

Toaskarity:
region will be good but impossible.ok let me ask you
where do you want bayelsa to stay?
where do you want middle belt to saty? etc
all these people beleive they will be marginalized so why dont states? if you cant survive then u  merge with someone. and can borrow loans from other richer states

bayelsa has a low population of people when compared to other states and more over the whole state is not ijaw so they can not form there country, there best bet is to join the former eastern region,

middle belt is basically kanuri, yoruba, hausa, fulani

we have 6 states in the middle belt

abuja are the gwari who are closly related to nupe people, nupe people are peaceful people infact it is a well known fact that gwari people are very peaceful people. they can go with the north

niger state consist of nupe,and fulani and they can also go with the north

kwara to me is a yoruba state so they can do with their SW people or come with the north

kogi will be spite into 3, west with yoruba people, central will chose if they are northerners or southerner(edo), east can go with edo

beune north will go with adamawa and the north while the south can go with SE or stay in the north

adamawa is a northern state

nassawara people will chose either to stay with the north or go with yoruba and igbo

thats all

pleateau will spite into 2, top part is north, botton is SE

Toaskarity:
affecting us bitterly!    
i wouldnt like nigeria to separate but let every state control its resources!

i would want the same thing but one must be careful

most seccestionist are not pure, most of them now would add tribal sentiment and hate to it.

u would find like of ezeuche making threads about north for people to hate us

i support ur views but if so we most seperate without tribal sentiment for peace to reign

i would prefer one nigeria but regional government

and divided into 3 only not 5 or 6

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=694519.msg8557350#msg8557350 date=1308603420]Everybody knows yorubas clean up the mess caused by hausa and ibo anytime they go on rampage.[/quote]like the one u cleaned up when hausa and yorubas fought in lagos 2000 mile12

rubbish

ZnO:
No question asked: Zik is[b] by FAR[/b] THE GREATEST
The rest are secondary and tertiary entities
Some (e.g., Awo) are not even known beyond their tribal enclaves

u back, when are u going to be done with ur hydropon,,.,.,

Eziachi:
Who are the Bin Laden people?

eziachi no kill me

you na, who else

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=694519.msg8557324#msg8557324 date=1308603132]It's ibo haram. . .only if ibo and hausa are competing for NIGERIA HARAM[/quote]u forgot about the first suide bomber in nigeria is a yoruba man

keep decieving urself to think the SW is safe

tokyo and aulliary are killing oyo people in the hunderds

are they not worse than those bombers

Toaskarity:
you and bluetooth already done that!  everybody is all joking

thats the way forward my brother one nigeria

we are one people with different ideology thats all

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=694519.msg8557305#msg8557305 date=1308602963]Alj Harem, Boko Haram is centered in Borno State. Why aren't you dealing with this problem in your homeland?  [/quote]lol, i do not stay in borno for now

i am in lagos    as i said i have not seen any boko haram

but now it looks like massob will join hopfully

southerners already fighting   when will this igbo yoruba end

so igbos and yorubas are fighting for the position of massob haram

stormm:
Our Facebook president has gone mad again

a beg no kill pesin

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=694519.msg8556838#msg8556838 date=1308598298]It's IBO haram .don't you understand simple english ? Btw,they wont run away until they realized bifra. ROFLMAO[/quote]c mon, it is igbo not ibo

^^^^^^ ;d ;d ;d ;d

cool

alexola20:
Let's bomb them all.Maybe the bomb will bring some ligjt in the country of total darkness and lawlessness.

now someone is seeing it from my point of view

this crap country needs light, be it electricity, fire wood, candle, bomb, nukes etc

we need light in any form

very sad

wen then roads are bad and there are no street light ten things like this happen

moreover, everyone in nigeria is a driver even without test, crap country

[quote author=Βουκέφαλος link=topic=694867.msg8556123#msg8556123 date=1308590768]whats with Igbos and drugs?
Na wah o[/quote]dont generalise, i believe the topic says nigerian not igbo

Ngodigha:
Why are you so insultive?.

because you are very very insultive as well

why call her ashawo