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mbatuku1:
Abuja, Enugu, Owerri.

Bros are you really comparing Lagos to Enugu and Owerri

abuja is NOT A STATE

enugu and owerri do not even come close to Oyo or Kaduna

I expected Anambra which is ALMOST IN THE SAME level as Ogun not even Oyo

[size=15pt]we have a lot of kids on Nairaland.

The Op asked a question, and next is rain of insults and infact some are even insulting his ethnic group. Talk of illiteracy.

I am disappoint on the way some people just turn this to an ethnic issue instead of a Nigerian One.

We have IDEEIOTS IN NIGERIA REALLY  [/size]

Egbe Nak:
Tinubu was ready to bankrupt Lagos, the man has no shame.

very good, Lagosian wake up from ur slumber

Tinubu has no lagos interest other than the money he wants

RoadStar:
I dont want to get into the discussion of who was right and who was wrong.
The issue on ground is the speech above.
I am saying that in the world of right thinking people, there was nothing wrong in the comments he made.
We might want to blame our failures on him but we are jut being evasive.

In Jos Notherners are killing Northerners.
In 1963 Awo and Akintola were on each others throats.
In Warri Urhobos, Ijaws an Itsekiris kill each other.

Zik, having spent most of his life in the north and being Igbo had the rare ability to see thing from everyones view.
As he asserted in the speech.
As at the time or at least from this speech u can see that his political ideology was void of ethnic-religious sentiments.

maybe so, I guess he saw a One Nigeria as the future if it worked

then again, My suggestion is that he just followed orders from the west and not really for One Nigeria.

Who knows, Only him

RoadStar:
Forget Awo he is the best bla bla bla. He repayed Zik at the expense of his people and all Nigerians 
I'm sure everything he did had a concrete reason , he did no wrong and was selfless,  lets leave that talk for another day.

Zik is a villian and Ojukwu is Nigeria's biggest visionary/ hero for being bold enough to push for the breakup of Nigeria.
The both of them cannot be villians as the where on opposite sides of the issue
Either agree of refute the claim simple.

Ok roadstar, who do you consider as a hero aka a nigerian hero or your hero in terms of Nigeria.

I don't want this discussion to be biased at least for once

RoadStar:
Yeah is it Ziks fault or is it your incompetence as a people.
I think Zik over-estimated Nigerians.

A man that lived above ethno-religious sentiments lived far ahead of his time.
2011 and we are all still talking tribe, region and religion.

What saddens me most is that most of u are the future Nigeria has.
Can u imagine what will happen if the Niger-delta where 2 be a separate country ?
The Urhobos, ijaws, itsekiris have so much mistrust and cannot live in peace in Warri alone.

Look at what is going on in Jos today, doest it tell u that some parts of the speech was a prophesy?
I look at Nigeria and I can only blame our relative low IQ, Our lack of class, myopia, selfishness and low level of civilisation.

Sometimes I wonder if we are a cursed people or are we just confused.
Since you do not want to live together , then
Ojukwu should be well respected as he is the only leader in Nigeria who has actively pushed for succession post independence.

I just dont get it ,
U dislike Zik for calling for one Nigeria and dislike Ojukwu for trying to split Nigeria.

Are some of u mad or r u just being Nigerians !

Ijaws are not in Warri, when last have u been to warri ?

warri is an itsekiri and urhobo town

secondly, Zik was a tribalist in fact the worse of them all, why you ask ?

Nigeria was operating on regionalism back then, insisted of Zik to leave each region to control there own affairs No ZIK Of ONITSHA locked his friend up and his friend vice up in his region,

went to that region his friend ruled in and divided it using his presidential power of which there was NO VOTER.

then few years down the line traveled out of the country only for his cousin and kinman OJukwu to invade to separated region of which his friend ruled over.

If that is not tribalism and hate, then I do not know what else to call it .

Dede1:
I do not know the historical era of Nigeria that informed your opinion who ran Nigeria and whe[b]n. If an Igbo extraction had run Nigeria to the ground as currently indicated by meaningful indices, I would join Yoruba, Hausa, Kanuri or Fulani to call for disintegration of the cesspit called Nigeria. [/b]

The simplest things such as social equity and localization of federal presence are determined by cutthroat tribal and hateful politics.

Thank you, Now that u accepted this,; good. but others did not call for Nigeria to split since everyone loved one another and there was no point for Nigeria to split just because Igbo ran things back then.

So now that it more or less equal of which Igbos still contribute a major work force in Nigeria, why can't Igbos chill then.

Although I understand that it is hard to forget the war, given than some of u maybe even you lost a family member in the war, it is not an easy pill to swallow I must say. But chill, Igbo will soon be the president whether we like it or not and he can show us Nigerians the way.

I would call for SNC where each region control it's own affairs

OkparaIgbo:
yoruba I have always known it to be Yoruba
Now go home and tell your ignorant brothers and sisters it is Igbo not Ibo.
There was never a time you could beat my truth saying so thanks for reserving your comment .!!

na ur wahala be that, all i did is correct you but if u want to continue in ur ignorance, then be my guest.

Once you reduce ur tribalism and be objective then we can discuss

OkparaIgbo:
Dude shut it, From the Article HE(THE HERO NDI-IGBO ODUMEGWU OJUKWU) Was just stating the fact of what was happening then and how you slow poke and ignorant brains (Yoruba and Hausa) had ruined what was left of the failed country, !!
Thats why he had the guts to mention the departments you ignorant bleeps drained and damaged and he was not being tribalistic at all. If Truth means being Tribalistic then may i ever be a Tribalist. Dirty and ignorant Yoruba wont learn from their great grand fathers and seek a way to change their omen, rather they will want to argue and shout most on issues.!! Wipe off these people and see how the failed state wont be so failed anymore, Rubbish Yoruba

1. it is yoruba not Yoruba

2. I am not going to dignify your post because it is too tribalistic. thanks

Ymodulus:
to the bolded why deny the fact that nigerians will always live with hatred in our minds. you and i know that today hausas and igbos are worst of enemies. cause of so call civil war. mr alj harem

Yes surly, but do we still dwell in the past ?

The yorubas went through a similar thing as the Igbos before there luck changed, did they dwell in the past ? NO

What do you what the Great Ijaws to do, their land has been destroyed by Nigeria, thus they are meant to hate Nigerian, but no, they moved on.

The problem between Igbos and Hausa is simple.

One thing you have to know is that some Igbo elements believe they are better aka superior than others. Even from Ojukwus writing you can tell. Moreover Igbos in general Never mind there business, they try to be involved in other regions politics and this is the most annoying thing an alien can do in another man's land. Also thinking they are smarter SMH

Again you have to understand that the fulanis are very emotional.

This is  a dangerous mixture, The only way this can be solve is not by separating but regionalism but this time we would not have another Nnamdi that keep poke nosing in the western issue leaving his region intact. People should just mind there own business and there would not be problem

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Relax101:
Na only Nchara you see?
Alh-Harem with over 200 usernames go follow.
I wont be suprised if I wake tomorrow to see 10000 thousand votes.

dude, if u think I would vote in this kind of silly thread, then u must be joking

wtf

this sort of thread is for ezeuche, south-east and co not me

nice one gej

more grease to ur elbow

Dede1:
I detest Nigeria for sure because retrogressive form is not in my nature. I would rather have Biafra or Republic of Igbo land any day than Nigeria. It is funny you urged me to look things in Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Tiv, Edo, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Esan or Ijo point of view. What point of view if I may ask?

All I wanted is a different nation state from the ethnic nation states you mentioned. Must all the ethnic groups in so-called Nigeria be housed in one country? I do not want the presidency of Nigeria or the imaginary compensation you cited.

OK right, so from what I can get, you just do not want to be in Nigeria because of the different ethnic nations right !

Dede1 this is a quote from ojukwu himself

By the late 1950’s into 1960 to 1966 Igbo, Ibibio and a few Yoruba brains ran the federal civil service of Nigeria. [/b]NIPOST then called P & T was most efficient. Letters were carried and delivered on time and intact. If you posted a letter with a one pound note visible inside it in Port Harcourt, the letter will arrive its destination, Sokoto on time and the one pound note will still be intact inside the letter. [b]P&T was managed by the Igbo and they made sure that it worked. Electricity was supplied constantly, regularly and cheaply to every city in Nigeria. ECN, Electricity corporation of Nigeria as it was called then, [nobody knows what it is called now] was most efficient and cities from Maiduguri to Jos to Lagos to Enugu, Onitsha and Port Harcourt had regular uninterrupted light and power for industries. [b]ECN was manned by the Igbo and their brothers in the East and they made sure that it worked. Water Corporation which was manned by the Igbo made sure that there was uninterrupted water supply to every city in the North, East and West. [/b]Rail transportation was so efficient that you could load railway wagons with yams in Lafia and cabbages, carrots, tomatoes and other vegetables in Jos and these perishables will arrive Port Harcourt in a matter of hours and the vegetables will still be crisp and fresh and the yams quite healthy. Yet the wagons were not refrigerated. Both goods trains and passenger trains ran on time and was a major means of transportation. Dr. Okechukwu Ikejiani was in charge of the Nigerian Railway Corporation and made sure that it operated the same way that rail transport operated in Canada where he got his medical degree. Schools and universities were administered by th[b]e [size=14pt]Igbo who together with the Ibibio were easily the most educated group in Nigeria[/size]. [/b]Of the four federal universities in the country two were administered by Igbo intellectuals. Prof. Eni Njoku was the vice chancellor of University of Lagos and Prof. Kenneth Onwuka Dike was the vice chancellor of University of Ibadan. Prof Glen Taggart, an American was the vice chancellor of University of Nigeria, Nsukka.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=786767.msg9389896#msg9389896

Today see what decadent Hausa Fulani Yoruba oligarchs and the Sokoto Caliphate have done to our people, the most progressive people in Black Africa. Only ten years after the war in 1980, Eastern Region had once again become the most industrialized region of Nigeria. Then the Nigerian savages cut off electricity and killed all the industries. Today industries which provided jobs for our young people have all been killed by the Nigerian savages. The Nigerian savages have also killed education the crown jewel of our culture. They have killed rail transportation and everything that made our people proud. Like the savages and barbarians that they are they have destroyed everything that is worth anything in our land.

This is clear tribalism by Ojukwu himself and as such he wanted Nigeria back then when Igbos run things, but now that hausas and Ijaws with the fulani/yorubas are running things, you want out ? How is that possible ?

How my brother ?

Dede1 you hate Nigeria not because of the idea of different Nation but because Igbos no longer run things at least accroding to what Ojukwu is implying here.